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[JacksonVirgo]

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

How dare we both vote someone so overwhelmingly townie, smh.

[JacksonVirgo]

Nurse is likely town

Hilarious how I came to this same conclusion.

[JacksonVirgo]

Do I detect role-fishing?

VOTE: Gob

I declare that RVS is now over. Onwards!

Do I detect role-fishing?

VOTE: Gob

I declare that RVS is now over. Onwards!

So which part of Gob’s post was rolefishing?

The more pertinent question is why do you choose to jump to Gob's aid by asking a question for which the answer is quite obvious? Especially after your 14. Actions do indeed speak louder than words, don't they?

Consider this a

FOS

in your direction!

I do think this is town after thinking on it for a small bit, but this does reek of lamist but because of that first smell I think Roland is town for their reaction from it

[JacksonVirgo]

Not a bad answer. You can be town, for now.

I AM town, not just for now, but for the duration of this game. But thanks?

Feels like you want to put yourself in the driver's seat here.

[JacksonVirgo]

I have 2 locktowns and 1 hella strong townread. And it’s only page 3. I really might solve this by page 10.

This feels similar to how I'm feeling reading so far, so this can be town too. All these reads are tentative cuz I don't have a scum-read yet

[JacksonVirgo]

This is fun to watch but I’m not sure it’s giving me much information.

Not a huge fan of this post, can't place it

[JacksonVirgo]

LOL, great timing

[JacksonVirgo]

You’re probably both town being silly. I’ll report back with more intelligent reads like this soon.

best player, we're in good hands!!

[JacksonVirgo]

This is fun to watch but I’m not sure it’s giving me much information.

This take, tbh, is a little odd to me. We have GuyInFreezer saying they have 3 (? correct me if I'm wrong) townreads based on the first few pages, whereas you are saying you got pretty much nothing from this. Why are two players getting such different takeaways here?

To be fair, if he’s experienced he probably can pick up on things I can’t. I’m learning, especially how things are done on this forum. If anyone is getting meta-based reads from the first few pages, I can safely say that I wouldn’t be able to agree or disagree with those just based on not understanding certain metas yet. But to reiterate, I can’t give any actual reads at the moment, I’m just observing. There are a few people I vibe with in terms of the way they post but that doesn’t mean I read them as town yet, just that I’ll enjoy reading their posts more than others.

This does seem like a whole lot of words to say the same thing you did before, but with more context about why you have no reads.

[JacksonVirgo]

I hope you have said something I can work with soon

[JacksonVirgo]

I have no reads

How dare you!! VOTE: Drew!!!

[JacksonVirgo]

Solon if you want to pocket me, step number one is going to be to stop twisting my arguments and taking liberties with what I am saying.

Damn your posts are just so cool

[JacksonVirgo]

GuyInFreezer (3): gob, Random Nurse, Solon E-2

Huh, my own slot and two of my town-reads on my other town-read. This is quite the wagon lol

[JacksonVirgo]

What in the actual fuck

Perfect response to N_M

[JacksonVirgo]

That actually had me laughing

[JacksonVirgo]

...this whole situation with Gob is predicated on what I said about him in the case I wrote on FancyPants. I said I didn't think Gob had done nearly enough to deserve a town read at that point, which was relevant for my case on FancyPants. Gob was frustrated to hear that and expressed these frustrations, and importantly he was frustrated about the implication that he wasn't moving things forward, not that he wasn't being townread. I think that's a good reason to townread him.

You hated this line of thinking so much that you not only voted for me for saying it; you are even encouraging everyone else to vote for me for saying it. And now I find out you don't even know where the line of thinking originated from? Not to mention you seem unable to even explain your rationale anyway? So clearly this case of yours is bullshit.

On top of that, it's really strange you haven't read it, since my frustration post was 142, and my case post was 147, but you somehow missed post 147 entirely, even though it's probably the most useful thing I've said so far and was only 5 posts down from what you responded to. So you just stopped reading or something? I am supposed to believe that you read 142, you had enough of a scum read on me at that point to set up a tricky question for me, but then you suddenly lost interest in anything else I had to say beyond that, despite me being interesting enough to you that you'd want to ask me a tricky question like this.

I'm also rereading what you said earlier:

I really vibe with this, seems like genuine frustration.

You are surprised (!) that I read this to mean you must think I am town. I am starting to think that perhaps I caught an action that didn't align with your words and you are suddenly forced into a really weird explanation of the words you wrote. I don't otherwise know how to explain what you're doing here, other than to think that maybe you just kinda blurted these words out without really thinking about the message that was coming through. I can't find a way to read this and make sense of the vote you cast.

Right now I feel good about GuyInFreezer, Solon, Kay, and now Gob, and I am null on Random Nurse and not_mafia until they say more. But it is still entirely possible that you and FancyPants are the scum team. At the very least, you're in my scum pool now so

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I aint reading that

[JacksonVirgo]

Doctor Drew - my biggest scumread thus far his first post of 107 where he claims no reads after multiple pages of content and then urges us to slow down strikes me as anti-town at best and scummy at worst.

[JacksonVirgo]

He then goes back on this and votes Roland in the next post.

What is the issue you have with this? Are you calling him inconsistent?

[JacksonVirgo]

Hot take but I’m getting town-leaning feelings from all of the following at the moment:

Drew, Roland, Freezer, Solon

It’s not overly specific posts but moreso tone, content, and vibes. Obviously it’s very likely one of them is fooling me and I’m being gullible about someone here, but at the moment I don’t think I’ll be voting any of them. There is one that I could be convinced of with the right argument but I don’t want to give it away just yet. I’d rather see what they post next and form a better opinion.

(this was a general post but also works as my response to FancyPants’ question toward me. Although I’m sure it’s not as detailed as he’d like)

Can you elaborate on the Drew read?

[JacksonVirgo]

If you have, I'll see it

[JacksonVirgo]

On a side note, I no longer scum-read FancyPants. It obviously makes no sense for him to be partnered with Drew, since he initially voted for Drew (which, sure, you could argue was distancing) but then finished his analysis of the game, gave a good summary of where he thinks things are at, and then allowed his vote to stay on Drew, not taking the out (much harder to convince me that that is distancing). Drew is my heaviest scum read at the moment so I'm more inclined to align my reads with that in mind.

Are you changing your read on them because of your read on Drew?

[JacksonVirgo]

@Drew

It's crazy how much of your case depends on your interpretation of my experience and what I am supposedly capable of. It's an angle that allows you to construct a case basically however you please, where you assign me however much experience I would need to have in order for your case to make sense.

I never told you how many games I played on my old guild forums. Was it two? Ten? Fifty? Three hundred? You don't know, because I didn't tell you. So how are you able to build a case based on my experience when you know so little about it?

It just seems to me like you're talking about stuff that is very easy for you to mold and modify as you see fit. Talking about things outside of this game, relying on those things for your reads, is a terrific strategy for scum, because who can really validate it? Nobody else will be able to question your assumption on my experience because they don't know what it is either. You are working with material that's very convenient for you to use, very versatile and easy to manipulate in whichever way you need in order for your argument to make sense.

Chills

[JacksonVirgo]

@Gob

Can you promise that you are actually playing to your win condition?

yes of course. Never gone against it on this site so far.

If you guys dont listen to me though, ill do what i must to make myself heard. Even if that means throwing this game.

You’re the worst kind of player. “Do what I want you to do or I’ll make sure you lose!” You’re not entitled to getting your way. It’s a social game. If you want people to listen to you, maybe start presenting your ideas in a way that would get people on board. Your threats don’t scare me, they just piss me off.

[JacksonVirgo]

Get outta here, ur repped out

[JacksonVirgo]

I thought I was tripping seeing them in my pedits

[JacksonVirgo]

DownBad = Gob
S+(I/2) = KayJayQueue
Cold Cabbage = GIF
ThunderClap = Solon?
Mary

Seedcole

Seacole = Random Nurse
Quack = Doctor Drew
Feathers McGraw = FancyPants
Fartarus = Roland


Not_Mafia

How tf did you get most of these

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I’m going need to see a cop guilty and a flipped cop to see Roland being scum at this point.

That’s crazy because I know a guy that’s claiming to be cop. Small world.

I gotchu

[JacksonVirgo]

Also, sucks that the newer players here had to put up with it....most games go smoother than that here lol.

At least they got me now

[JacksonVirgo]

Nurse is likely town

Hilarious how I came to this same conclusion.

I take it back, you just slid down the list a bit.

Spoiler: My in depth analysis of this post

[JacksonVirgo]

Hot take but I’m getting town-leaning feelings from all of the following at the moment:

Drew, Roland, Freezer, Solon

It’s not overly specific posts but moreso tone, content, and vibes. Obviously it’s very likely one of them is fooling me and I’m being gullible about someone here, but at the moment I don’t think I’ll be voting any of them. There is one that I could be convinced of with the right argument but I don’t want to give it away just yet. I’d rather see what they post next and form a better opinion.

(this was a general post but also works as my response to FancyPants’ question toward me. Although I’m sure it’s not as detailed as he’d like)

Can you elaborate on the Drew read?

Not really. Mostly just…

vibes.

Can you try and put it into words for me?

[JacksonVirgo]

I agree with your Roland, Freezer and Solon reads. I am not sure where the Drew one is coming from, and I ask not just because I wanna read Drew.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think Fancy's logic is very outcome focused more than the read coming from proper analysis

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm a little thrown by Jay's posting personally, she's giving me both townie and scummy feelings and I'm not yet sure where to place her. There's a lot of seeming busywork in their posts which I'm not a fan of but I like where her head is at.

[JacksonVirgo]

The being proud, for lack of a better term, of her posts such as 352 is incredibly townie to me

[JacksonVirgo]

Can you try and put it into words for me?

His pocket is quite comfortable? Kidding, please don’t yeet me lol it really is just a feeling. It’s not something I have in depth analysis on, but I’ll get there. I need more posts to digest first.

Drews pocketing is always comfortable

[JacksonVirgo]

My catchup was very skim-read which I felt was fine to do cuz only 16 pages, a lot of the chunkier posts I didn't read at all

[JacksonVirgo]

I agree with your Roland, Freezer and Solon reads. I am not sure where the Drew one is coming from, and I ask not just because I wanna read Drew.

I know you are still catching up, but anything you want to ask me?

Pre Edit: I do agree about Kay, something seems kinda forced about their posting.

Do you agree with those three as Town? What's ur read on Fancy?

[JacksonVirgo]

Pre Edit: I do agree about Kay, something seems kinda forced about their posting.

Fun fact: it’s boredom. Today was a travel day for work so I was on a 5 hour plane ride with nothing to do but chill on this forum. I’ll be passing out within an hour or two and then you’ll be free of me! (for awhile)

We love killing time on MS, it either goes so well or so poorly

[JacksonVirgo]

Clearly it went well cuz I'm here

[JacksonVirgo]

Well I think it is obvious my feelings on Roland lol.

True, can you elaborate on that somewhat?

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I know, I'm asking for reasoning cuz I don't recall anything. I have them as the top town which is why I ask specifically

[JacksonVirgo]

Kay, what's your read on me

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm going to call you Kay, Jay or Queue randomly

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I know, I'm asking for reasoning cuz I don't recall anything. I have them as the top town which is why I ask specifically

I thought there reaction to my question to them about their experience coupled with their reaction to my naked vote on them just reeked as scum, not to mention how they went all omgus on me.

Also how he just assumed that I was town reading him, just feels like caught scum panicking.

There still is like 15% of me that could consider that I am tunneled and the reaction was frustrated townie, but my gut tells me otherwise

I think their post about the experience was very well put together, gave me chills. The frustration (or whatever the feeling is) they've shown constantly feels like it's coming from a super overly proud townie so they're at my top town position as of right now but I am aware that it's very possible to try and power through with this type of behaviour as a scum. I doubt it and I don't really care for trying to pull apart their behaviour this early in day one. I will look back at their reaction to the naked vote, I don't recall that.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you think it's weird, why don't you ask me to clarify why? I never said why

[JacksonVirgo]

That's a secret

[JacksonVirgo]

It's like >rand town moreso than anything. Very weak town-lean based on their vote on Gob right out the gate paired with their first post. That's all.

[JacksonVirgo]

Compared to the current gamestate, the read is next to nothing. For a page 1 read, it's the strongest read. It's all relative

[JacksonVirgo]

Kay, what's your strongest town-read and scum-read? And why for both

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m sure y’all are excited but for me it’s just last few pages of “townslot does town things” so nothing really changed from my pov.

Good for you

[JacksonVirgo]

{ Roland, GIF, Solon }
{ Drew, Kay }
{ N_M, RN }
{ Fancy }

[JacksonVirgo]

I needed to get that written up because I could feel my reads being incredibly top heavy. I'm probably wrong on someone in my top tier. I'd say probably GIF but with NM and Drew both having completely jarring reads to my own with Roland I'm thinking there actually.

[JacksonVirgo]

It's not paranoia but sure, you're welcome

[JacksonVirgo]

This is such an interesting lineup of people, I can see this game being a pain in the ass to solve

[JacksonVirgo]

{ Roland, GIF, Solon }
{ Drew, Kay }
{ N_M, RN }
{ Fancy }

Kay up one
Fancy up one
RN down one

Problem I have with Kay is that their posts don't hold much weight to them, a lot of their townie behaviour comes from tone but at that their content is quite fluffy for saying so little, which her seemingly being new is carrying her spot pretty heavily.

[JacksonVirgo]

Funny JV strat go brr

VOTE: Roland

[JacksonVirgo]

Funny JV strat go brr

VOTE: Roland

What a slap in the face whaaaat
I disagree with this vote!

Why is it a slap in the face?

[JacksonVirgo]

Game needs to progress, I'm feeling worse and worse about the slot.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think neither of those things

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't know if you recall but they were my top town-read as well

[JacksonVirgo]

This is an unconventional vote/though so I expect to get backlash but I do think this flips wolf hilariously enough. I don't think the read on him would be so polarized if he were Town

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll try and explain my thought process. While I was catching up, I had this constant nagging feeling that I was town-reading too many people. At the end of the catchup, I had scum-read one single person and even then the read was a fleeting one. Writing up my readlist threw it right into my consciousness that my reads were top heavy, so I thought about my top tier. I dislike GIF in comparison with the others, but then thinking about Roland and how polarized they are had me thinking that I could be way off. I have a habit of townreading scum early so I want to flip that on it's head. I trust Drew/N_M aren't wolves together so there's a polarized view on Roland regardless so there's this pit in my gut that just does not like the slot and it's emphasising the scummy parts I was reading them with more than the inverse that I was before. This is the first time in a while I used another's reads to form my own, so it feels strange ahaha but little risk on day 1.

Also this interaction makes me more confident that Kay is town, so at least there's that.

[JacksonVirgo]

That's one hell of a strawman of my vote lol

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm planning on it, when I find a chunk of time to sink into this game

[JacksonVirgo]

No direct link, I just don't see that being the solve.

[JacksonVirgo]

Feel free to argue that solve

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay which one of GIF, Roland, Drew and Solon is scum? I know one of my town reads has to be off, so which is it?

Why do you think one of them is off?

[JacksonVirgo]

Did you get inspired by what I was doing?

[JacksonVirgo]

Yes. If my read on Drew somehow got flipped, then my townread on FancyPants would probably change.

Why? You have no idea the accuracy of one read, and you're using that to base a read on somebody else. One thing will topple your read down, why do this to yourself?

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you pronounce GIF like GIF, like GIF or like

Spoiler: GIF

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you pronounce GIF like GIF, like GIF or like

Spoiler: GIF

I don't know why that reminded me of them lol, but you ever listen to Infant Annihilator?

A little bit, I should listen to them more cuz they're right up my alley

[JacksonVirgo]

I ain't reading the wallpost

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh people are saying it's a fun read, I might soon then

[JacksonVirgo]

Boo yourself, I have dyslexia

Spoiler:

this was a lie, I do not

[JacksonVirgo]

I read the wallpost, and I'm glad I did cuz it gave me more resolve to keep my vote where it is*

[JacksonVirgo]

Boo yourself, I have dyslexia

Spoiler:

this was a lie, I do not

Lying?! Wow what scum behavior!!

I've done my fair share of lying as town, often to my own detriment

[JacksonVirgo]

Interesting response

[JacksonVirgo]

Drew, updated thoughts on Kay?

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway, back to playing Dicey Dungeons. Seeya

[JacksonVirgo]

I see, you took it that way

[JacksonVirgo]

Frankly Drew, if this really is a TvT between the two of us, you should be 100x more embarrassed than me, seeing as how you have 100 times as many posts as I do on this site.

Yeah, don't do this

[JacksonVirgo]

If you're upset please take a step back instead of insulting

[JacksonVirgo]

I see, you took it that way

I think they might be scum either way, but seem locked in on Roland being town.....which obviously I don't get

Kinda like Gif, I feel like they aren't doing much to make things happen....and just letting things happen

I think I'm sitting comfortably with calling them town and then reconsider in limlo. I don't think they behave this way as a wolf at all, I think the only issues I have with them are semantics from them being new to the sites meta.

[JacksonVirgo]

You say if Rolex flips red to look at them, but I don't see why a scum would buddy this hard when it seems all the major voices (that are currently talking) are currently turning on him. She doubled down

[JacksonVirgo]

I agree that Gob/Jackson is town.....I have even said as much

Overwhelmingly townie

[JacksonVirgo]

I ain't gonna lie, I was expecting to get pushed for shifting to Roland

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna go into more depth about how I feel about you soon Roland, don't worry I'm not gonna blue balls you

[JacksonVirgo]

You say if Rolex flips red to look at them, but I don't see why a scum would buddy this hard when it seems all the major voices (that are currently talking) are currently turning on him. She doubled down

I am not saying lock her as scum, but in a micro game you can't really buss your buddy too much and have to be much more nuanced about it.

And this is coming from someone who likes to buss their buddy lol

Bussing/Partnering etc usually won't happen to this extreme. I think Roland is experienced enough to warn against it, and Kay seems a little apprehensive playing here for them to fully commit to the idea like they are here. I'm not lock-towning them by any means but I'm feeling comfy having them sit at a top town-read for now

[JacksonVirgo]

Roland, you said your solve is within { Drew, RN, N_M }. How confident are you that all the wolves are in this pool? An X/100 if it requires that

[JacksonVirgo]

What's your reasoning for N_M and RN? A quick blurb if you don't wanna go too deep into it, I don't need much. This is just a stepping stone of a question

[JacksonVirgo]

Just because you willfully ignore something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist

I beg to differ

[JacksonVirgo]

I prefer the term "just because you don't believe in the brick, it's still gonna hurt when it gets pelted into your face"

[JacksonVirgo]

Hmm

[JacksonVirgo]

Hmmmmmm

[JacksonVirgo]

yoink

[JacksonVirgo]

What's your reasoning for N_M and RN? A quick blurb if you don't wanna go too deep into it, I don't need much. This is just a stepping stone of a question

@Rolex, I need this please

[JacksonVirgo]

Tsk, sure I guess

[JacksonVirgo]

Only if you answer the question

[JacksonVirgo]

It was a joke, I was always going to stop. I'm not an asshole

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: RN

[JacksonVirgo]

Can we get this guy out already?

[JacksonVirgo]

If he's not going to post, he needs to go and you both are Town

[JacksonVirgo]

Alrighty

[JacksonVirgo]

Regardless, drew is not going out today. So make your vote useful

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm voting RN right now because I realised through Roland's reason for scum-reading the pool, that it's actually not so weird that my reads are top heavy if one of the wolves are in that pool. One of the wolves are in the upper echelon of my readlist but this needs sorting. RN is by far the scummier out of the two

[JacksonVirgo]

manifesting

And I say that because I refuse to let him die today, he's Town. Consolidate your vote, I'm honestly kinda getting sick of the back and forth between you. It's not going anywhere and locking the conversation doesn't benefit the Town.

[JacksonVirgo]

I know you don't

[JacksonVirgo]

Kinda wanna flip you simply because of how combative you are, I don't work well with people like you

[JacksonVirgo]

You had a golden opportunity to point out that Harrison Ford was actually innocent in that movie! Wasted opportunity.

[JacksonVirgo]

Ahahaha, so glad you didn't get mad at that gif. I felt it was hilariously well timed. I understand completely and it probably doesn't help that you are drew are going at it like you are. I don't really handle people that are combative very well, I tend to either proceed to make it worse (bad ending) or just proceed to ignore them (neutral ending). Both of which aren't ideal, especially if you're town like I think you are.

[JacksonVirgo]

Speaking of the wagon itself, a lot of the reason I don't want drew is inherently selfish as it's linked to my read on them. I town-read them so obviously I don't want them out. I also think we should be focusing in the pool that has little content surrounding them. Prods are great and all but if the early game isn't well rounded, the game continues in a skewed way that I don't want it to go down. The two not being focused, and them not posting is already affecting my own plays somewhat and I want to mitigate that by wagoning RN.

[JacksonVirgo]

I do hope all is well with you

[JacksonVirgo]

Lmao tf?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll vote for anyone in RN/NM/Drew/at this stage - and I'll listen to Roland/Solon/Freezer on who, as my town block, I think Jackson is town but I personally don't think they have a good grasp on this game seeing as their two strongest reads are my strongest townread - and the only person I can confirm is town.

Are you joking? What makes you believe you’re right over me? This is honestly insulting, different reads doesn’t mean I don’t have a grasp on the game. Stop this line of thinking immediately.

[JacksonVirgo]

There’s a difference between not following my reads and daring to say I’m not grasping the game because our reads differ. If it’s not what you meant, use different words because that is not what you said.

[JacksonVirgo]

This is not a good start

[JacksonVirgo]

Damn I leave and the game doesn’t even move one page :c

[JacksonVirgo]

Of course not, you and drew are in it!

[JacksonVirgo]

Game is tilting that way

[JacksonVirgo]

Damn I leave and the game doesn’t even move one page :c

What should we do to pass the time until the players we’re waiting for return?

Hey, fancy a TvT fight? I’ll start. Jackson, you’re having too much fun since you joined, you must be scum!!

Your turn.

Oh uh uh.

How dare YOU be YOU, even being in the presence of you is almost turning me into a wolf myself because of how scummy you are!!!!!

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna go into more depth about how I feel about you soon Roland, don't worry I'm not gonna blue balls you

Is this still going to happen?

Yes? No? Maybe so?

Not while I’m working lmao, but yes. I thought I answered you already

[JacksonVirgo]

What's the current VC?

That’s a good question (autocorrect almost made me dox myself wtf)

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna go into more depth about how I feel about you soon Roland, don't worry I'm not gonna blue balls you

Is this still going to happen?

Yes? No? Maybe so?

This isn't in depth by any means, but I'm not sure when I'm gonna wanna sit down and talk details about something I no longer feel is personally relevant but I am a man of my word so if you still want me to go through it just let me know but a brief TL;DR of what I did is that I honestly never really scum-read you (and I think that's clear given my sudden pivot on you, which again I'm shocked nobody suspected me for, cuz that would have helped too), I focused more into the parts of you that were giving me pause to play devil's advocate with own brain + I wanted more pressure on you to see how you handled it as I do think there's a wolf in my top tier of Town. I chose you because you were by far the most active. If you want me to go into depth about things I can, that would likely involve me ISO diving you.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well it definitely got a reaction out of me. I just assumed you were doing it as bait though.

It did! It made me town-read you more so I'll take that as a W

[JacksonVirgo]

Solomon is probably going to fall into my lower tiers pretty soon if they don't start posting again, this could be scum that got top-tiered and then felt no pressure so stagnated.

[JacksonVirgo]

I dont think there's a rather, I think there's scum in both

[JacksonVirgo]

If I throw the top town { you, GIF, Solomon, Drew, Kay} and the rest of the players. I think there's a scum in each, assuming two evils of course

[JacksonVirgo]

Drew don’t make me bite

[JacksonVirgo]

after town loses of course haha.....no stopping that team me thinks

Omg Kay we’re doing so good!

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh shit that was meant for the scum PT, everyone ignore

[JacksonVirgo]

I do remember a recent game where Dragoneater did accidentally post in the game thread when he meant to post in the scum PT.....so it actually can happen lol

Was it on this site that someone accidentally showed a screenshot if a spreadsheet and at the bottom there was a tab called “super secret mafia strats” or something. That shit is what I strive to do

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t remember if it were here or the dreaded ToSFM

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait, I swear your name was Solomon

[JacksonVirgo]

For no reason in particular.. I’m thinking kay is a wolf

[JacksonVirgo]

Re: Solon vote: 10 points if you can guess why it happened!

I hope it was the thing I already said owo

[JacksonVirgo]

I want the points

[JacksonVirgo]

New person, accept my charm and town-read me for the rest of the game. Thank you, have a good day

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t think I’ve been giving off any “surety” that my reads are correct. I think you’re overestimating my confidence in my own reads. I said I’m 0% locked because I had no confidence in that read, not that there is 0% chance it could be both of them. It definitely could be.

Except that you did say that it is a 0% chance that the scum team is NM and Nurse

You sure you read it right?

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually, I'm backing up and out of this. Awaiting Kay's response

[JacksonVirgo]

but no townie is really locked onto a read anyway.

[JacksonVirgo]

I understand what you mean but 0% locked is still a weird phrasing. Even if one randomly selected scum pairings it would never be 0%, I understand the word ‘locked’ adds context but no townie is really locked onto a read anyway.

It’s really late for me so I have to go to bed but before I do,
@Kay, what’s your experience playing mafia outside of this site. And two:?
@kay if you had to eliminate someone this instant who would it be and why?

1. I played a few games around 2021 on discord but they weren’t long form like these. I watch mafia games on twitch/youtube though, but that’s the extent of my experience.
2. Not_Mafia

(Ok Fancy, now here is where you naked vote Kay and ask for more votes on her, works every time)

VOTE: Kay more votes on Kay please

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: RN, or I guess it's Snow now

[JacksonVirgo]

Since we are all about tinfoil theories this game, Kay is a secret alt of an established player here. I tried to do it but slipped in my first game lol

Lmao, I saw your alt (the alex terrible one) in the queue and was like "yoooooo I should talk to him" only to be betrayed and found out it was an even cooler person than I thought!!!

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I've come to the conclusion that the N_M wagon is only existing because RN's wagon was being pushed up.

[JacksonVirgo]

One of Kay/Solon could be wolf for that.
Snow + { Kay / Solon } is probably where my head is at.

[JacksonVirgo]

That's going purely off votes, I wanna see who's socially pushing the wagon and isn't voting. Cuz if someone is, it's probably much more likely it's them but we'll see

[JacksonVirgo]

This is assuming Snow

is

wolf so I'm not pushing anything yet I just want my thoughts known

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I've come to the conclusion that the N_M wagon is only existing because RN's wagon was being pushed up.

Like I get wanting to lim NM, but that would be a convenient person to push to try to save scumRN

Pre Edit: I just now realized that abbreviating Random Nurse is RN, and I think I need to sit down now

Who did you think RN was referring to?

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Analysis of Doctor Drew

I hypothesise that Doctor Drew is Town, simply because there are more town than mafia so there's a non-zero chance that I am wrong. With a total of nine players alive, and since I am treating the game as mountainous, the highest possible amount of mafia is three. Meaning that in the worst case scenario this player has a 6/7 chance of being Town making them statistically much more likely to be a member of the town. Because of the dynamics of the game of forum mafia, and because I know for a fact that I am town as well there are a total of 6 slots with 3 maximum mafia in it which would make today limlo, which is seemingly not what people expect so the maximum amount of mafia is probably closer to two. Making the chance a 5/7 making it much more likely that this particular player is a Town. Furthermore, considering the strategic implications of this updated probability, it becomes increasingly apparent that Doctor Drew's alignment as Town is even more probable. In addition to the adjusted ratio, the insight gained from my own alignment as Town further strengthens the argument for Doctor Drew's town alignment. Moreover, when factoring in the implications of the shifting game dynamics and the revised mafia count, it becomes clear that the statistical odds overwhelmingly favor Doctor Drew being Town. Additionally, if we examine the potential impact of this analysis on our decision-making process, it becomes evident that prioritizing the statistically more probable outcome is essential for maximizing the town's chances of success. Furthermore, when considering the potential consequences of misjudging Doctor Drew's alignment in light of the updated probability, it becomes increasingly imperative to align our actions with the statistically more likely scenario, which points to Doctor Drew being Town.

In the off chance that Doctor Drew is not town, it would make it much more likely that my other reads are exponentially more likely to be accurate simply due to the process of elimination and the shrinking amount of mafia in the game. I don't think Doctor Drew is very likely to be mafia with everybody else. The chance of them being mafia is already low, and the chance of any other player is low as well which makes the pairing exponentially more unlikely which gives me hope that Doctor Drew is town. I don't think the mafia would be in the position that Doctor Drew is simply because a 5/7 chance for town to just guess town randomly and out of the blue with no way of truly having a way to deduce is very fair for the wolves at all. In fact it's incredibly unbalanced and benefits the town substantially just by pure chance. This is a post-game discussion but I think we should balance the games out and make the town at most 50% of the game, with the mafia being the other 50% so that nobody can use this argument to unfairly town-read a town for unjustified reasonings. It's too much of a powerful strategy that can be abused. I am going to prove that this argument is correct because the outcome of the game will be exactly as I pictured it using this flawless strategy.

The chances of being wrong on this argument is incredibly low, and considering I just replaced in and have no context about the game. That's an insane advantage to have, enough so that when I catch up this will make the chances EVEN more in my favour. That type of advantage is unheard of yet is in the grasp of every single town player no matter their skills in a game of mafia, or their skills in deduction. Doctor Drew is clearly a player and regardless of their skill (they are very skilled to make it this far) they can also use this line of thinking to add to my perspective so we can find the optimal kill just based of statistical analysis.

Furthermore, if we discuss a more psychological angle, mafia would be much more likely to make arguments based on how players slip up because they wish to mis-eliminate people, meaning I should be confirmed town for using this as an argument as should Doctor Drew be more likely to be town for using this strategy as well. It's almost a trust-tell level of confirmation so much so that this strategy will be incredibly likely to be banned site-wide. Additionally, when examining the potential consequences of allowing such unbalanced strategies to persist unchecked, it becomes evident that taking proactive measures to address these issues is essential for preserving the competitive and strategic nature of the game. Furthermore, considering the potential impact of this argument on future gameplay dynamics, it becomes increasingly apparent that promoting a more balanced and equitable playing field is necessary to ensure that all players have an equal opportunity to utilize strategic thinking and deduction skills effectively. Moreover, when evaluating the long-term sustainability of the game and its appeal to players of all skill levels, it becomes evident that implementing measures to mitigate the potential for unfair advantages is essential for fostering a healthy and competitive gaming environment. Additionally, when considering the potential benefits of promoting fairness and balance in gameplay, it becomes evident that taking proactive steps to address these issues will ultimately enhance the overall experience for all participants.

As an abstract recount of what I have said before, and so that I can move forward with a new line of thinking I will rehash all that has been said so far so that the true power of this argument does not get missed. With a total of nine players alive, and since the game is now mountainous, the highest possible amount of mafia is three. Meaning that in the worst case scenario this player has a 4/7 chance of being Town making them statistically much more likely to be a member of the town. Because of the dynamics of the game of forum mafia, and because I know for a fact that I am town as well there are a total of 6 slots with 3 maximum mafia in it which would make today limlo, which is seemingly not what people expect so the maximum amount of mafia is probably closer to two. Making the chance a 5/7 making it much more likely that this particular player is a Town. Furthermore, considering the strategic implications of this updated probability, it becomes increasingly apparent that Doctor Drew's alignment as Town is even more probable. In addition to the adjusted ratio, the insight gained from my own alignment as Town further strengthens the argument for Doctor Drew's town alignment. Moreover, when factoring in the implications of the shifting game dynamics and the revised mafia count, it becomes clear that the statistical odds overwhelmingly favor Doctor Drew being Town. Additionally, if we examine the potential impact of this analysis on our decision-making process, it becomes evident that prioritizing the statistically more probable outcome is essential for maximizing the town's chances of success. Furthermore, when considering the potential consequences of misjudging Doctor Drew's alignment in light of the updated probability, it becomes increasingly imperative to align our actions with the statistically more likely scenario, which points to Doctor Drew being Town.

In the off chance that Doctor Drew is not town, it would make it much more likely that my other reads are exponentially more likely to be accurate simply due to the process of elimination and the shrinking amount of mafia in the game. I don't think Doctor Drew is very likely to be mafia with everybody else. The chance of them being mafia is already low, and the chance of any other player is low as well which makes the pairing exponentially more unlikely which gives me hope that Doctor Drew is town. I don't think the mafia would be in the position that Doctor Drew is simply because a 5/7 chance for town to just guess town randomly and out of the blue with no way of truly having a way to deduce is very fair for the wolves at all. In fact it's incredibly unbalanced and benefits the town substantially just by pure chance. This is a post-game discussion but I think we should balance the games out and make the town at most 50% of the game, with the mafia being the other 50% so that nobody can use this argument to unfairly town-read a town for unjustified reasonings. It's too much of a powerful strategy that can be abused. I am going to prove that this argument is correct because the outcome of the game will be exactly as I pictured it using this flawless strategy.

The chances of being wrong on this argument is incredibly low, and considering I just replaced in and have no context about the game. That's an insane advantage to have, enough so that when I catch up this will make the chances EVEN more in my favour. That type of advantage is unheard of yet is in the grasp of every single town player no matter their skills in a game of mafia, or their skills in deduction. Doctor Drew is clearly a player and regardless of their skill (they are very skilled to make it this far) they can also use this line of thinking to add to my perspective so we can find the optimal kill just based of statistical analysis.

[JacksonVirgo]

Thank you for listening to my TED talk

[JacksonVirgo]

I think I've come to the conclusion that the N_M wagon is only existing because RN's wagon was being pushed up.

Like I get wanting to lim NM, but that would be a convenient person to push to try to save scumRN

Pre Edit: I just now realized that abbreviating Random Nurse is RN, and I think I need to sit down now

Regardless of you somehow fucking up an abbreviate as much as you have???? We came to the exact same conclusion

[JacksonVirgo]

abbreviation*

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Analysis of Doctor Drew

I hypothesise that Doctor Drew is Town, simply because there are more town than mafia so there's a non-zero chance that I am wrong. With a total of nine players alive, and since I am treating the game as mountainous, the highest possible amount of mafia is three. Meaning that in the worst case scenario this player has a 6/7 chance of being Town making them statistically much more likely to be a member of the town. Because of the dynamics of the game of forum mafia, and because I know for a fact that I am town as well there are a total of 6 slots with 3 maximum mafia in it which would make today limlo, which is seemingly not what people expect so the maximum amount of mafia is probably closer to two. Making the chance a 5/7 making it much more likely that this particular player is a Town. Furthermore, considering the strategic implications of this updated probability, it becomes increasingly apparent that Doctor Drew's alignment as Town is even more probable. In addition to the adjusted ratio, the insight gained from my own alignment as Town further strengthens the argument for Doctor Drew's town alignment. Moreover, when factoring in the implications of the shifting game dynamics and the revised mafia count, it becomes clear that the statistical odds overwhelmingly favor Doctor Drew being Town. Additionally, if we examine the potential impact of this analysis on our decision-making process, it becomes evident that prioritizing the statistically more probable outcome is essential for maximizing the town's chances of success. Furthermore, when considering the potential consequences of misjudging Doctor Drew's alignment in light of the updated probability, it becomes increasingly imperative to align our actions with the statistically more likely scenario, which points to Doctor Drew being Town.

In the off chance that Doctor Drew is not town, it would make it much more likely that my other reads are exponentially more likely to be accurate simply due to the process of elimination and the shrinking amount of mafia in the game. I don't think Doctor Drew is very likely to be mafia with everybody else. The chance of them being mafia is already low, and the chance of any other player is low as well which makes the pairing exponentially more unlikely which gives me hope that Doctor Drew is town. I don't think the mafia would be in the position that Doctor Drew is simply because a 5/7 chance for town to just guess town randomly and out of the blue with no way of truly having a way to deduce is very fair for the wolves at all. In fact it's incredibly unbalanced and benefits the town substantially just by pure chance. This is a post-game discussion but I think we should balance the games out and make the town at most 50% of the game, with the mafia being the other 50% so that nobody can use this argument to unfairly town-read a town for unjustified reasonings. It's too much of a powerful strategy that can be abused. I am going to prove that this argument is correct because the outcome of the game will be exactly as I pictured it using this flawless strategy.

The chances of being wrong on this argument is incredibly low, and considering I just replaced in and have no context about the game. That's an insane advantage to have, enough so that when I catch up this will make the chances EVEN more in my favour. That type of advantage is unheard of yet is in the grasp of every single town player no matter their skills in a game of mafia, or their skills in deduction. Doctor Drew is clearly a player and regardless of their skill (they are very skilled to make it this far) they can also use this line of thinking to add to my perspective so we can find the optimal kill just based of statistical analysis.

Furthermore, if we discuss a more psychological angle, mafia would be much more likely to make arguments based on how players slip up because they wish to mis-eliminate people, meaning I should be confirmed town for using this as an argument as should Doctor Drew be more likely to be town for using this strategy as well. It's almost a trust-tell level of confirmation so much so that this strategy will be incredibly likely to be banned site-wide. Additionally, when examining the potential consequences of allowing such unbalanced strategies to persist unchecked, it becomes evident that taking proactive measures to address these issues is essential for preserving the competitive and strategic nature of the game. Furthermore, considering the potential impact of this argument on future gameplay dynamics, it becomes increasingly apparent that promoting a more balanced and equitable playing field is necessary to ensure that all players have an equal opportunity to utilize strategic thinking and deduction skills effectively. Moreover, when evaluating the long-term sustainability of the game and its appeal to players of all skill levels, it becomes evident that implementing measures to mitigate the potential for unfair advantages is essential for fostering a healthy and competitive gaming environment. Additionally, when considering the potential benefits of promoting fairness and balance in gameplay, it becomes evident that taking proactive steps to address these issues will ultimately enhance the overall experience for all participants.

As an abstract recount of what I have said before, and so that I can move forward with a new line of thinking I will rehash all that has been said so far so that the true power of this argument does not get missed. With a total of nine players alive, and since the game is now mountainous, the highest possible amount of mafia is three. Meaning that in the worst case scenario this player has a 4/7 chance of being Town making them statistically much more likely to be a member of the town. Because of the dynamics of the game of forum mafia, and because I know for a fact that I am town as well there are a total of 6 slots with 3 maximum mafia in it which would make today limlo, which is seemingly not what people expect so the maximum amount of mafia is probably closer to two. Making the chance a 5/7 making it much more likely that this particular player is a Town. Furthermore, considering the strategic implications of this updated probability, it becomes increasingly apparent that Doctor Drew's alignment as Town is even more probable. In addition to the adjusted ratio, the insight gained from my own alignment as Town further strengthens the argument for Doctor Drew's town alignment. Moreover, when factoring in the implications of the shifting game dynamics and the revised mafia count, it becomes clear that the statistical odds overwhelmingly favor Doctor Drew being Town. Additionally, if we examine the potential impact of this analysis on our decision-making process, it becomes evident that prioritizing the statistically more probable outcome is essential for maximizing the town's chances of success. Furthermore, when considering the potential consequences of misjudging Doctor Drew's alignment in light of the updated probability, it becomes increasingly imperative to align our actions with the statistically more likely scenario, which points to Doctor Drew being Town.

In the off chance that Doctor Drew is not town, it would make it much more likely that my other reads are exponentially more likely to be accurate simply due to the process of elimination and the shrinking amount of mafia in the game. I don't think Doctor Drew is very likely to be mafia with everybody else. The chance of them being mafia is already low, and the chance of any other player is low as well which makes the pairing exponentially more unlikely which gives me hope that Doctor Drew is town. I don't think the mafia would be in the position that Doctor Drew is simply because a 5/7 chance for town to just guess town randomly and out of the blue with no way of truly having a way to deduce is very fair for the wolves at all. In fact it's incredibly unbalanced and benefits the town substantially just by pure chance. This is a post-game discussion but I think we should balance the games out and make the town at most 50% of the game, with the mafia being the other 50% so that nobody can use this argument to unfairly town-read a town for unjustified reasonings. It's too much of a powerful strategy that can be abused. I am going to prove that this argument is correct because the outcome of the game will be exactly as I pictured it using this flawless strategy.

The chances of being wrong on this argument is incredibly low, and considering I just replaced in and have no context about the game. That's an insane advantage to have, enough so that when I catch up this will make the chances EVEN more in my favour. That type of advantage is unheard of yet is in the grasp of every single town player no matter their skills in a game of mafia, or their skills in deduction. Doctor Drew is clearly a player and regardless of their skill (they are very skilled to make it this far) they can also use this line of thinking to add to my perspective so we can find the optimal kill just based of statistical analysis.

Scummy

Spoiler: My analysis of Kay

[JacksonVirgo]

I know, I put a lot of work into that one

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah I think I could have used conjunctions to drop the word count down, sorry boss

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah, I'm so good

[JacksonVirgo]

But it does affect todays flip, it feels weird how they only formed right after RN started gaining traction.

[JacksonVirgo]

Just not the who

[JacksonVirgo]

Hi, has taken over RN's role. Quite a reading here. Will review during today.

Can you explain why Kay is scum?

She’s not!

(I was hoping I could introduce you to the yellow m&m)

The infamous yellow m&m oh no

[JacksonVirgo]

It's drews judgment stare, pierces through your soul. I thankfully don't recall him using it against me though!!

[JacksonVirgo]

Gives me vibes

[JacksonVirgo]

Best pagetop I could have asked for

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah my presence is a sight to behold. I understand

[JacksonVirgo]

Oop

[JacksonVirgo]

Anything more on my slot than gob trolling and pushing roland?

[JacksonVirgo]

The much longer post just 6 minutes after the much shorter one suggests a post that was very carefully curated.

Means nothing, I often curate my own posts regardless of alignment.

[JacksonVirgo]

The much longer post just 6 minutes after the much shorter one suggests a post that was very carefully curated.

Means nothing, I often curate my own posts regardless of alignment.

When you joined this game, you gave your thoughts as you read through the game. You didn't take a full day to get your bearings. You didn't need time to prepare. I don't think these two situations align.

And that’s incredibly rare for me, I’ve always done shitposting while I make a spoilered analysis post

[JacksonVirgo]

What are we at?

[JacksonVirgo]

UNVOTE:

[JacksonVirgo]

Of course, I have uh other priorities so I’ll be catching up fully tomorrow. Can’t have a hammer

[JacksonVirgo]

The game is stagnant, no wonder.

[JacksonVirgo]

Not a fan of this route

[JacksonVirgo]

But any conclusion is better than the current dissonance

[JacksonVirgo]

We got time, I will commit to trying to get the game back on track tomorrow

[JacksonVirgo]

This is a strange sentence.

it's consistent with their past games

[JacksonVirgo]

and not one person apart from me has an issue with his elimination

Yet a counterwagon formed

[JacksonVirgo]

This is a strange sentence.

it's consistent with their past games

I will translate to Auzzie for you next time

You'd be so kind?? :O

[JacksonVirgo]

This is a strange sentence.

it's consistent with their past games

I will translate to Auzzie for you next time

You'd be so kind?? :O

No secret languages allowed!!!

Strewth, calm down there, mate! No need to get your knickers in a twist. I was just havin' a bit of a larrikin moment, ya know? No hard feelings, eh? Fair dinkum, you're free to talk however ya like, no worries! So can I!

[JacksonVirgo]

Fair dinkum, didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. Let's keep the game rollin' then, no dramas! Just shout if ya need any more Aussie slang antics, and I'll be right on it like a seagull on a hot chip!

[JacksonVirgo]

and not one person apart from me has an issue with his elimination

Yet a counterwagon formed

Can you elaborate on this.

I’m a little delirious so if it doesn’t make sense ask again tomorrow but generally if everybody seemed to be okay with them, but as soon as they’re actually wagoned another (generally easier) wagon popped up for little reason. That’s suspect

[JacksonVirgo]

Infant annihilator sounds like ear cancer, sorry not sorry.

Aight

VOTE: Malachi

[JacksonVirgo]

What do you listen to if you want to relax?

Infant Annihilator

. Bad Omens, but like all the vocals from bands like Lorna Shore, Sleep Token etc that are vocally complex relaxes me as it stops my brain from overworking.

[JacksonVirgo]

So your read on me is purely based on the way I react emotionally?

[JacksonVirgo]

That and the way I did my catchup, lol?

[JacksonVirgo]

You matching the same agenda as your pred gives me a lot of pause

[JacksonVirgo]

So your read on me is purely based on the way I react emotionally?

That and the way I did my catchup, lol?

That's an oversimplification of my view here. It is not just those two things; it's also what I feel like is kind of a suspicious pattern of submitting lots of words but not really saying a whole lot. Giving the appearance of being involved, without really BEING involved. That is the kind of vibe I feel like I get from you.

If you have any more singular and substantive reads / cases you've made on people, please show me. I know I read fast but I still feel like there wasn't a whole lot of direction or consolidation of things from your end.

There is no requirement for town to make substantive cases on people. I've made my arguments when I've wanted to make my arguments. I am not really one to consolidate that often, one of my recent games just closed was showing the extreme end of that. In fact, I am trying to fix that side of my playstyle with this very game, hence my behaviour surrounding your predecessor. So given this is one of the games I've been most consolidating, yet still giving my personal direction I feel this read is quite wrong for me as a player. Not expecting you to know how I play of course, that'd be silly.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm waiting for others to comment on their part of your posts before I do, for what I feel is obvious

[JacksonVirgo]

I believe you and Drew are both town. I'm more confident in Drew than I am for you. I believe GIF/Solon are town. I believe Snow's slot is wolf, it started as being my null-consolidation vote as the game was stagnant but that increased to a steady scum-read based on how the game progressed when that started kicking off. Snow's posting in particular did not do anything for me, like it seemed to do for you. N_M is null to me if I were to label it objectively, but if I incorporate my feelings into it. It feels wrong to consider that slot as it is, I am not okay with a wagon there. I am not yet sure if that's

because

of the read I have on Snow or if it's isolated to them but it's a feeling nonetheless. Fancy I am on the fence about

[JacksonVirgo]

And Jackson, what DO you listen to if you want to chill out?

I answered that? But here's one particular song



This song has been played so much lately, this performance version in particular.

[JacksonVirgo]

Bad Omens just sounds so much better live, I wanna see them one day

[JacksonVirgo]

By the way, you forgot to mention Kay.

Throw them in the GIF/Solon

[JacksonVirgo]

I believe you and Drew are both town. I'm more confident in Drew than I am for you. I believe GIF/Solon are town. I believe Snow's slot is wolf, it started as being my null-consolidation vote as the game was stagnant but that increased to a steady scum-read based on how the game progressed when that started kicking off. Snow's posting in particular did not do anything for me, like it seemed to do for you. N_M is null to me if I were to label it objectively, but if I incorporate my feelings into it. It feels wrong to consider that slot as it is, I am not okay with a wagon there. I am not yet sure if that's

because

of the read I have on Snow or if it's isolated to them but it's a feeling nonetheless. Fancy I am on the fence about

Sorry, please ignore my casual question and answer my serious one instead (or both, that's cool too lol):

Can you explain in more detail why you town read Drew?

You seem to be a very pragmatic player, not sure if I can convince you on this based on my logic so I'll just answer it directly (and not write pro-drew propaganda). They've been consistently writing in a way that has been clicking with me, they've said things that I've agreed with before I said it etc and their reaction to your predecessor isn't nearly as "bad" as both of you seem to make it out to be. Their reaction is smooth, consistent and above all matches their character. What part of their reaction do you consider bad specifically, I am better at explaining when it's more focused.

[JacksonVirgo]

Reaction was a broad term

[JacksonVirgo]

I guess I want to address this part in particular:

Your response to my question made me feel good to throw a vote out to see what happens.

And kinda seems like you acted in a way that someone who knows how the game works, but doesn't have all the experience would react as scum

I don't know that I really follow this at all. To recap, this exchange with Drew and Roland went like this:

Roland:

I am telling you that you are twisting my arguments and misrepresenting them. I know what my arguments are, what I am saying, and you do not. It is not your place to decide whether you are fairly representing what I am saying. It is mine and mine alone.

Drew:

I really vibe with this, seems like genuine frustration.

Roland, how much experience do you have with mafia?

Roland:

I used to play it with an old World of Warcraft guild of mine on our guild forum, though we called it Werewolf rather than mafia. I've played Town of Salem also, more recently. Been a while since I have played a true forum game of mafia, though, and our days were much shorter than this also. So if my playstyle seems a little weird or something y'all aren't used to, that might be why?

Drew:

VOTE: Roland

Roland:

Indeed, it makes perfect sense to abandon a town read and do a complete 180 if a person answers your question about mafia history and makes a dark tower reference. This vote makes perfect sense.

I read Roland's response here as very natural and genuine, and his much-touted "reaction" to the vote is basically just "uh...what?" Which I understand, because that's how I felt also, reading this. I don't see what there was in Roland's answer to Drew's question that seems suspicious, nor do I see anything particularly scummy in him giving an "uh...what?" reaction to a vote after he gave what seems like a totally innocuous reply to the question. Drew seems to argue that his reaction to the question was suspicious, and his reaction to the vote was scummy, and I am just not seeing either. I get the strong sense Drew is drumming up a case out of thin air that doesn't seem to align with what's really going on here.

On a side note:

Yes, Roiland and his quest for the drak toweler.

I nearly spit my water out of my mouth when I read this lol. I love the dry sense of humor.

Of course you'd believe Roland's response is natural and genuine. It's you.
Do you not see the progression Drew had? It's been explained by Drew, the man himself and even without that I caught it. You and Roland both seemed to miss that magically

[JacksonVirgo]

My brain didn't finish reading, did not mean to send

[JacksonVirgo]

Do you want that answer from me? Or from Drew? I don't think I'm the right person to respond if you're trying to read Drew for his posts.

[JacksonVirgo]

I had it written out as an EBWOP, but I'm not going to answer that yet but I'll explain around that. That feels weird that you're asking me instead of asking him to explain himself. The train of thought I'm following is of course loose, I'm not in his head but I don't see the "jumping to conclusions" which I believe you're scum-reading that part of his posts to be all that scummy at all. Drew was behaving incredibly loose towards Roland, his posts were directly showcasing that much. He said as much in his post that he wanted to just see what happens, test the waters. Which coincides with his previously loose posting. Can you not see progression there?

Roland: *makes behaviour that Drew deems easy to fake*
Drew: *goes further into that particular read, checking if it's fake*
Roland: *responds in a way that didn't quench drew's taste of blood quite enough*
Drew: "Your response to my question made me feel good to throw a vote out to see what happens."

It's always been loose, it's always been casual engagement to verify a read that Drew had.

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh no, not the botched spoiler tag

If u didn't know, it's [ spoiler= ] btw, can't forget the =. Without the space obviously

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll get to that soon