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VOTE: CSF
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What made you want to try this new stratIn post 19, DragonEater70 wrote: Gotcha.
I am trying out a new strategy this game of being stingy with townreads (based on a post by Dannflor in my Mafia Discussion thread), so I am going to say that this thought process is NAI (but I still wanna townread you deep inside. Being stingy with townreads is HARD).-
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Dragon feels townie
I agree with the Gimli read and I feel like Dragon is being honest here-
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Yeah it only feels low-effort in terms of the solving really. Just firing off whatever read comes to mind
The thought "this kinda feels townie but scum!Gimli could do this" definitely crossed my mind and I like that Dragon had a similar one-
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In post 46, DragonEater70 wrote: Hu Tao can you stop deliberately doing NAI stuff and start doing AI stuff?In post 47, Hu Tao wrote:
Why? It is literally 1.5 pages in? And why ask me this over everyone else?In post 46, DragonEater70 wrote: Hu Tao can you stop deliberately doing NAI stuff and start doing AI stuff?In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote: Everyone else are not deliberately doing NAI things but are deliberately doing AI things
I don't like this sequence from Hu. She seems overly defensive in response to Dragon telling her to do stuff. Then she questions Dragon's confidence in reading her which to me feels like she's trying to sow doubt in his mindIn post 50, Hu Tao wrote: Do you feel confident enough to read me if I start?-
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DK feels kinda appease-y and nice but I think that could just be a personality thingIn post 101, DragonEater70 wrote: VOTE: Gimli
I will switch back to DK if anyone wants to help me push her since I am 1.6 times as much confident on her as I am confident on Gimli. Also Gimli if you want me to unvote all you have to do is vote DK.
Why do you scumread her?-
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Ok I see your post explaining the read now. I'm not really feeling it tbh-
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I'm not feeling one way or the other on Kay. I don't think her joke was scummy. I'm curious if she has any reads though-
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I guess Kay is probably town-
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Kay how do you expect scum to start the game?-
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Gimli if you are scum I refuse to be pocketed by you-
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Well I just looked over Kay's scum game and I don't think I can confidently toss her in the town bin yet
I found this little bit of emotional response. I bolded the word "exhausting" because it seemed noteworthy that the same terminology was used hereIn post 854, KayJayQueue wrote:
I can’t do anything about you thinking I’m being “performative”, that’s just how I express myself. And it seems a big unfair to assume I’m not focused on solving things, I’ve been giving this game a lot of my attention. Some things I felt more strongly about and that’s where my attention went. If things I wasn’t giving as much thought to begin to gain steam, I’m just being honest when I say I need to take a better look.In post 844, Dannflor wrote:
Oh and like idkIn post 841, KayJayQueue wrote:
If this becomes the majority consensus, I better start rereading this thread because I focused way too much of my energy on figuring out who I believed on the Hu vs Naerys drama just to realize I should’ve been paying more attention to psyche’s read on NAS or the 3 votes on gera that happened in quick succession.In post 835, Dannflor wrote: rereading naerys vs hu tao and it just feels like two townies who desperately believe they are Correct
What is stopping you just clicking psyche’s ISO or the post i just quoted and seeing what you think about it right now?
it feels performative to talk about all the work you gotta do or that you might have to do or that you should’ve done before because if you’re town and genuinely interested in solving, i don’t get why your energies aren’t just focused on doing the solving now
pedit: drew (titus’ predecessor) made posts! What do you think of those??
You seem to be jumping on everything I do trying to find a reason to sus me. Yeah, that’s the game, I get it, sus everyone but honestly, it’s getting a bitexhausting. I don’t even have a scum read on you, if anything, being cautious about me is normal as it would be for anyone. I didn’t think anything of it at first. I still think you’re probably more likely town but whatever problem you seem to have with me might get in the way of us working together.
Maybe I’m just overreacting right now because I just worked 59 hours in the past 4 days and I’m mentally drained and still trying to have fun playing this game. I’ll try not to overthink on this since I don’t think pushing back against you is helping us.
I also noticed Kay talked about not knowing anyone's meta several times in that game and even used it as a reason for not having good reads. We've seen a bit of that here already
I haven't had the chance to look at her town game to compare and I don't think I'll get the chance tonight-
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Because you didn't get a read from it. You just started joking with Dragon about town slips and then moved on. I don't think you were actually trying to get a read thereIn post 154, Hu Tao wrote:
Why was this your first thought instead of me trying to get a read on dragon?In post 130, Black wrote:In post 46, DragonEater70 wrote: Hu Tao can you stop deliberately doing NAI stuff and start doing AI stuff?In post 47, Hu Tao wrote:
Why? It is literally 1.5 pages in? And why ask me this over everyone else?In post 46, DragonEater70 wrote: Hu Tao can you stop deliberately doing NAI stuff and start doing AI stuff?In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote: Everyone else are not deliberately doing NAI things but are deliberately doing AI things
I don't like this sequence from Hu. She seems overly defensive in response to Dragon telling her to do stuff. Then she questions Dragon's confidence in reading her which to me feels like she's trying to sow doubt in his mindIn post 50, Hu Tao wrote: Do you feel confident enough to read me if I start?-
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Vote Hu with me? I'm fairly confident she's scumIn post 157, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: damn Black is here to play-
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This is believable. And I never said you were supposed to know people's meta, I just found it interesting that you used that in both games as a reason for not having any readsIn post 160, KayJayQueue wrote: That was my very first game, ever. It’s true that I didn’t know anyone’s meta. How am I supposed to? And it’s still true. Just because I was scum doesn’t mean everything I did or said was a lie. I know that will probably be twisted or written off as a lie as well but I don’t know what to say. I basically ignored the fact I was scum and just used that game to familiarize myself with how a long form game is played.
I still think you're most likely town I just can't base my read off of your emotional response like I did originally-
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Kay what are your thoughts on Hu?-
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I think town!Hu is more likely to make a joke there and brush it off. Scum!Hu is more likely to get defensive like she did. She asked three questions in one post lol. She wasn't having itIn post 163, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
I saw your case, but I'd expect most people to react defensively if someone asked them to start playing seriously on page 2In post 159, Black wrote:
Vote Hu with me? I'm fairly confident she's scumIn post 157, Cat Scratch Fever wrote: damn Black is here to play
I guess I'll wait for her respond to the Dragon read thing, but I didn't really see an issue with her 50-
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I'm honestly ok with this as long as you keep giving reads-
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You said you didn't have any reads right after thatIn post 167, Hu Tao wrote:
How do you know I didn't get a read from it without asking me?In post 158, Black wrote:
Because you didn't get a read from it. You just started joking with Dragon about town slips and then moved on. I don't think you were actually trying to get a read thereIn post 154, Hu Tao wrote:
Why was this your first thought instead of me trying to get a read on dragon?In post 130, Black wrote:In post 46, DragonEater70 wrote: Hu Tao can you stop deliberately doing NAI stuff and start doing AI stuff?In post 47, Hu Tao wrote:
Why? It is literally 1.5 pages in? And why ask me this over everyone else?In post 46, DragonEater70 wrote: Hu Tao can you stop deliberately doing NAI stuff and start doing AI stuff?In post 48, DragonEater70 wrote: Everyone else are not deliberately doing NAI things but are deliberately doing AI things
I don't like this sequence from Hu. She seems overly defensive in response to Dragon telling her to do stuff. Then she questions Dragon's confidence in reading her which to me feels like she's trying to sow doubt in his mindIn post 50, Hu Tao wrote: Do you feel confident enough to read me if I start?-
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That's literally the post I'm talking about
I don't think your recent Dragon and Cat townreads are very compelling. You're like the 3rd or 4th person to express them. And now you're sheeping the Black townreads too. Seems pretty convenient-
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Why Gimli?
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Something about this AtE feels bad-
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What was the reason for this?
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Nothing Hu said made me feel better about her but the read itself isn't very strong. Would still prefer her over others atmIn post 244, Gimli wrote: nah actually its not kay
@black: you still holding that hu tao scumread strong? did anything she say afterwards soften that read?
I find her townread on you particularly convincing for some reason
Why is May town?-
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I don't give a fuckIn post 253, Hu Tao wrote:
I take back my town lean on you for this. But you have time to gain it backIn post 205, Black wrote: Something about this AtE feels bad-
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You're dangling a townread in front of me like it's a piece of cheese and I'm a mouseIn post 306, Hu Tao wrote:
Why so hostile?In post 305, Black wrote:
I don't give a fuckIn post 253, Hu Tao wrote:
I take back my town lean on you for this. But you have time to gain it backIn post 205, Black wrote: Something about this AtE feels bad
I stand by what I said that Dragon's AtE felt weird and I don't care if you find that sus or not-
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To me it felt like something Gimli/Dragon may have planned so if one of them flips scum I'll probably be down to just flip the other-
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How many votes are on Gimli atm?-
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When have I ever stated otherwise?In post 310, Hu Tao wrote: Okay. So you do agree with me that Gimli could be scum. Great-
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You're kidding me right
Maybe take a look at the context of that townread-
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In post 327, May wrote: I wanna vote a piece of the dragon eater/gimli solve I'm ok with it being gimli first thoughThis feels kinda slimy
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I wasn't referring to the rep out. I was just talking about the AtE between you twoIn post 315, Gimli wrote:
actually insanely bafflingIn post 312, Gimli wrote:
horrible solve and 0/2In post 308, Black wrote: To me it felt like something Gimli/Dragon may have planned so if one of them flips scum I'll probably be down to just flip the other
try again
do you think I would pre plan an AtE infight which eventually led to my scum partner repping out?
I may trick you everytime when I'm scum but always playing absolutely clean
kind of an insulting notion
The rep out definitely muddies the read a little-
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It was completely sensible before the rep out, idk why you keep acting like it's notIn post 350, Gimli wrote:
she is shamelessly sheeping an awful svs idea black had as if it was somehow sensibleIn post 347, Hu Tao wrote:
Not sure how you get the May read because nothing has been horrendous. Can you quote the horrendously bad posts in question?In post 346, Gimli wrote: (may, kjq, kage)
may's posting is horrendously bad rn and I guess I shouldn't townread her just for being antagonistic-
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That part of the game was not related to my read at all and in fact it came after my readIn post 363, Gimli wrote: so lets remove parts of the game that don't fit our narrative
When you said "god. I'll be back later" or something I read that as an emotional response to himIn post 363, Gimli wrote: but anyway the rep out doesnt matter. when have I gone emotional with DE in this game? you're talking about an AtE between us as if I participated in any level of any of that. I made a comment that upset him. I wasn't upset back, I wasn't emotional about it or anything. I was grumpy cause I wake up grumpy, it has nothing to do with any games
shrugIn post 363, Gimli wrote: also its not completely sensible, its completely backwards. notice how DE is emotional throughout the entire game phase. it has nothing to do with me. he got even more upset with may, why isn't that the scum theatre you think you wanna find?
I didn't get the same faked vibes from his interaction with May
I never said it was a good read but it was a read I had
Are you serious? This feels like a complete overreaction to just me saying you might be scum with Dragon. This is such a weird thing for you to accuse me ofIn post 363, Gimli wrote: I don't think this has anything to do with this game, even. I think you're still upset over death note and you want to scumread me, you and hu tao. you're not even saying anything about any of my posts. this is bias from previous game, and it's bad, and I'll call it bad-
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What case? I had one feeling that you/DE might be scum if the other flips scum and that's it
You're being overly defensive about this and creating a narrative that doesn't exist-
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I voted for her less than 24 hours agoIn post 399, Dannflor wrote: black your hu vote feels stale-
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Dude, you should be happy with the amount I played over the weekend. This read blowsIn post 432, Dannflor wrote: i think black is trending towards her scum meta
she's had one push with any depth and that was on hu tao very early, and since then she hasn't really shown any real movement on that read or really on anyone else despite huge changes in the gamestate with dragon repping out
i guess there was the whole dragon/gimli scum team theory, but my gut says that a town!black would have accompanied that with a vote
i think she tends to be a lot more fluid with her votes and stances as town and here it feels like she's kinda stuck on hu tao without a natural way of moving off
i still think the interactions with you look weird but maybe it's just from her side-
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I don't play much on weekends and I've been at work all dayIn post 435, Dannflor wrote: okay but in black time that's like decades
I was considering voting for Gimli which is why I asked how many votes he had
Can you let me do my thing please-
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I'm not liking this read from Dann at all-
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I think this read feels fake and forcedIn post 432, Dannflor wrote: i think black is trending towards her scum meta
she's had one push with any depth and that was on hu tao very early, and since then she hasn't really shown any real movement on that read or really on anyone else despite huge changes in the gamestate with dragon repping out
i guess there was the whole dragon/gimli scum team theory, but my gut says that a town!black would have accompanied that with a vote
i think she tends to be a lot more fluid with her votes and stances as town and here it feels like she's kinda stuck on hu tao without a natural way of moving off
i still think the interactions with you look weird but maybe it's just from her side
Something feels really weird about Dann trying to meta read me 24 hours into the game. Like I don't really think he expects me to have multiple in-depth pushes this early. I don't even do that as town so it feels like Dann is severely misrepresenting my meta here and I don't see why he would do that as town
I also think my stances have been relatively fluid so the part about me being stuck on Hu Tao just feels fabricated too
Currently trying to decide if this was a lazy read from town!Dann or an opportunistic read from scum!Dann-
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Lack of better options really. I didn't want to fade you but I did want to apply some pressureIn post 445, Gimli wrote:
wait whatIn post 438, Black wrote:
I don't play much on weekends and I've been at work all dayIn post 435, Dannflor wrote: okay but in black time that's like decades
I was considering voting for Gimli which is why I asked how many votes he had
Can you let me do my thing please
didnt you just say the only thing you thought about me was possible svs with DE?
how the hell you were considering voting me? you have no read progression on me at all this game-
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I actually think it's a lazy read regardless of your alignment. If you are town then you need to reassess what my town and scum meta is if you want the read to be taken seriously. If you're scum then you thought you could shade me with bad reasons and it didn't quite work out for youIn post 457, Dannflor wrote: i dispute the read being either lazy or opportunistic-
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Probably leaning more towards Dann!town here I suppose. I think he would be more careful about posting a read that is so easily disputed if he were scum-
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Pretty sure 3 scum in a 9 player game is super rare and unbalancedIn post 452, May wrote: I think black is town bc if I'm dumb for thinking de gimli is a good team she is probably the same dumb
If she's smart for thinking that there can't be 3 scum-
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Can you show me a town game of mine where I had multiple in-depth pushes less than 24 hours into the game?In post 464, Dannflor wrote:
is it arrogant if i think i have a more objective view of your meta than you doIn post 459, Black wrote:
I actually think it's a lazy read regardless of your alignment. If you are town then you need to reassess what my town and scum meta is if you want the read to be taken seriously. If you're scum then you thought you could shade me with bad reasons and it didn't quite work out for youIn post 457, Dannflor wrote: i dispute the read being either lazy or opportunistic
don't answer that i know it's yes-
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Dann what is bothering me about your read is that you are making multiple generalizations about my play without taking into account any other factors
1. You say I've had "one push with any depth" and that it was "very early" with Hu Tao. That was literally last night before I went to bed. There were about 25 posts between then and the time I woke up for work. Your expectation that I should be pushing other people during this timeframe doesn't seem very real
2. You say I haven't shown any movement on that read or on anyone else. My read on Hu Tao hasn't really changed. As far as the gamestate changing, I commented that the rep out muddies my Gimli/DE read a little and I also called out a slimy May vote. I don't know what you're really expecting from me here
3. You say town!me would have voted for Gimli/DE but you seem to be ignoring 308 and 309 for some reason
4. You say I'm usually more fluid in my votes and stances when I'm town. That may be true but I'm also known for getting tunneled as town and I think you know this. Actually I know you know this, so it seems strange that you seemingly forgot about that part of my meta and are choosing to represent a different part here in order to make me look scummy
So yeah, you're either scum or this is a lazy read-
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I've been ping-ponging my read on Dann in my head. This bad meta read is making my brain spin-
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I didn't know how many votes were on you so I wasn't sure just how pressured you wereIn post 468, Gimli wrote:
even more pressure? I did feel like most of this d1 have amounted to me defending myselfIn post 458, Black wrote:
Lack of better options really. I didn't want to fade you but I did want to apply some pressureIn post 445, Gimli wrote:
wait whatIn post 438, Black wrote:
I don't play much on weekends and I've been at work all dayIn post 435, Dannflor wrote: okay but in black time that's like decades
I was considering voting for Gimli which is why I asked how many votes he had
Can you let me do my thing please
didnt you just say the only thing you thought about me was possible svs with DE?
how the hell you were considering voting me? you have no read progression on me at all this game-
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In case it's not obvious, I think you could be scum for itIn post 473, Dannflor wrote: sorry im not really interested in defending / explaining where it came from unless you think im scum for it
i don't feel super strongly about it anymore anyway-
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If you could just respond to my points in 470 so I can gauge your thought process that would be dope-
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Talking to Dann about my meta isn't helping me determine if the read is real or not-
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I don't think I'm buying the part about half of the read being a reaction test. I feel like if that were the case then Dann probably wouldn't be so invested in defending the legitimacy of the read? Like he would just have admitted it was a lazy/weak read for the reactions and moved on
I also think 435 and 441 are pretty weak follow ups for someone who is trying to gauge a reaction-
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Why is Dann townIn post 486, Gimli wrote: I guess it could be black/kage
I can see how she'd maybe be more fluid in this gameday + I still don't understand her read on me. there isn't a read, but there's a conditional one with DE - someone she was clearly towning throughout the gameday until he became upset - and then 'applying pressure' feels like a convenient way to justify pushing through the flip
I should probably revisit my dragon townread at some point
I'm comfortable with CSF, dannflor, kay, and hu tao as townies atm-
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you're kewl :3In post 482, May wrote: Whoa black's title is kewl-
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Like what?In post 504, Gimli wrote: your hu tao read is stiff and it doesnt seem like you're paying attention to things hu tao is doing that are towny.-
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