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VOTE: Hu Tao
Get rekt, scum!!!!!"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Crap I forgot to do the slide!!!!
It's been a long time since I replaced into a game okay!!!"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I did actually check the last vote count!!!In post 2103, DrNickRiviera wrote:
Oh buddyIn post 2099, Black wrote: I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1
And accidental lolHammer while repping in would have been a sight to see
Pre Edit: If you think Groyvle is scum, what do you make of there push on me?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Oh yeah there was something else I guess I can just ask the mod about now!!!
@mod: at what point in the game would a Neighborizer be given a neighborhood?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Lol, how is it sus?In post 2121, Hu Tao wrote:Sus post. Unless you don't know who enchant is
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Wow, that's quite a strange reach for an alternative explanation!In post 2126, Hu Tao wrote: He's implying he thinks that element thinks enchant is still alive. But I think it was just saying someone should quick hammer since enchant does that"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Unserious? She's trying to push obvtown who in turn was voting her. Thbbbbbbt at 'unserious'In post 2136, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: im ngl i think the doctor claim and insistence of bad faith from hu tao after i extended good faith feels scummy and just rereading this d1 from hu tao gives me icky feelings. i think hu tao started posting better once they had a backboard to bounce off of with being suspected and that sorta faded away with this dayphase. less confident but i think scum were already on wagon due to the way hu tao reactively claimed without significant pressure - most people off wagon were not looking to vote there and aureals vote was clearly unserious at first.
im going to give myself 15 minutes to think it over and i intend to put hu tao back at e-1.
Oh yeah I think Dannflor wanted her gone too, also a fine reason"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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BTW what does that "scum already on wagon" mean, you're saying you think Hu is being bussed here by an earlier voter?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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So Elements, then? Unless you think Black would actually back off of the Hu wagon here"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Nope!
Are you saying you do???
Also lolwut at dgb"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I... I would? *confusion*In post 2176, DrNickRiviera wrote: 98.5% sure
If you were here the whole time, you would know as well
You're trying to make me actually read more, aren't you?
I am baffled that you would feel so confident at alt guessing given your past performance"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Insert yellow m&m here"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Yeah something sorta like that, except not"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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What do you think of dgb's hammer?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Are you claiming to be voteless?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Yay, the mafia are friendly!"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Also boo, I guess I should actually finishing reading the game.
I think we might wanna massclaim here."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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It's Hu Tao, never trust anything she says"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Lolno
Why should obvtown go first"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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And dgb last??? She's practically a policy yeet at this point imo"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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The fighting with madman over his asking for investigative results and what he did last night. Though I see now there's even some deeper meaning to it. XD
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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If Thomith is scum I think you're probably town"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I guess there could be a world where scum tried to shoot that slot because replacements can really mess with things
But it just doesn't seem hugely likely especially since there was two replacement slots overnight and I hadn't really given any indication of what I'd do next so I was still largely an unknown too"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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The jk on the slot likely blocked the kill, and I don't think you'd send him to do the killIn post 2222, Black wrote:
WhyIn post 2220, Aureal wrote: If Thomith is scum I think you're probably town"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I suppose you could have a pr you'd rather use, I think multitasking is not enabled this game?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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According to the wiki the default is Mafia only get to take one action
So I scrolled down through the rest of the setup looking to make sure the default hadn't been changed and it spelled it out at the bottom of the rules that they can't multitask
So actually maybe that wasn't a great thought because the mafia probably do have a pr so the choice would be made based on role in almost all cases, rather than game position"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Maybe I was faking a townslip and was intending to go back on it all along once I 'realized' the setup was a factor.
That said I think Black likely really did townslip there, going and researching the wiki to figure out the answer to the multitasking question, which she would already know if if she was scum basing night actions on it."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Well. I originally wrote "probably" there then considered that and downgraded it to "likely"In post 2236, Black wrote: Do you not think I could fake that as scum?
How's this sound for claim order?
Smiley>Aureal>Black>Gibdo>Grovyle>DGB>Gypyx"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I don't especially want her later but I remembered Klick had reads and looked at them and he thought she was probably town. And I'm looking at the start of day two and her posting there seems really reasonable looking at it now, and Klick liked it too.
Of course, my worry now is that her view of the gamestate was too good there because tmi. And we hadn't had the "it's not a hammer" wtfness yet.
Smiley>Aureal>Black>DGB>Gibdo>Grovyle>Gypyx?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Lol so fake
I'm vanilla
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Ping ping
Hi we're massclaiming
In post 2069, Gibdo wrote: I'm actually reading Hu Tao less as more town than I was before, after re-reading through her posts... it just feels too nonchalant for scum gameplay, but maybe that's just her playstyle? Can someone attest to that? Also, is there a world where DGB is scum here?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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In post 2147, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: you keep making the exact flat arguments that scum make in this scenario. we are resolving you. VOTE: hu tao
There's no unvote after this, Black unvoted beforehand, allowing Grovyle to put Hu back at e-1; DGB even acknowledged that she'd be hammeringIn post 2148, DrippingGoofball wrote: A credible claim would be accompanied by a list of night actions.
I am willing to hammer HT."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Not really. It's a Simple, I don't think there's supposed to be wifomy situations like town having both a JK and RB.
However I think there's likely a mech approach we can take here, having them block each other and force no kill if we flip Smiley as scum."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Yeah I don't really believe it either, I think it's probably just Smiley/DGB here but I'm gonna fight the impulse to just turboyeet them until I work out the mech a little more."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Mafia having a vanilla cop while town has two blocking roles and a neighborizer doesn't strike me as a likely Simple setup"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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And yeah I suppose there's space for Grovyle to be lying about the specifics of the role but his play matches pretty well with it, and it's the blocker/blocker aspect moreso that goes against the grain of what I'd expect from a Simple"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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So you think it's Grovyle and Nick?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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You just said you definitely blocked the kill, but Nick claimed jk. So how do you have such confidence it was you?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Just gonna non sequitur, huh?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I'm sorry, I can't even finish reading that after "scum don't need a roleblocker in a setup with 3 town PRs, so DGB is the least likely to be lying" XD
VOTE: SmileyDude1"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Yeah. She's just playing clueless. If she was really convinced she'd stopped a kill with her roleblock she'd have come into the thread more like you did; but instead she waited to throw shade until it was clear we're not buying her claim."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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VOTE: DrippingGoofball
mod, you may want to correct the deadline used in the last vote count"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Huh?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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^ThisIn post 2347, DrNickRiviera wrote:
This is some quality open wolfing now, I applaud you DGBIn post 2345, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Definitely something that Nick's buddy would say.In post 2336, Gypyx wrote: In the hypothetical case that we flip scum today, nick / DGB should both coordinate who they're blocking tonight
Black, stop listening to the scum
It's a Simple, it's supposed to be straightforward, not make you go 'hmmmm would they really give town two very similar roles, darn wifom'
And voting in Smiley/Grovyle does nothing in the bizarro world where Smiley is town who was shot at."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Yeah I don't see much reason to shoot there either, which is exactly why the jk almost certainly was stopping him from making the kill rather than being it.
Also the whole "working in lockstep with Goofball to defend each other once they got tied together" thing."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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??????In post 2358, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: since drnick is odd night"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Again.In post 2389, Gypyx wrote: Sorry for not being very talkative but i kinda agree with everything that smiley is saying, besides a jailkeeper and a roleblocker can absolutely coexist imo
It's aSimple.
A traditional experience is precisely what you get with town having jk/vc/neighborizer- a protective, investigative, and communication role. Not so with doubling up on blocking roles and having the only investigation possibility be triple-gated by having to not just successfully block a kill but figure out which of the three possibilities occurred.In post 2, tris wrote: You are playing a Simple Normal game. These games are designed to provide a newbie-friendly and traditional mafia experience, with little focus on setup speculation. A small list of roles and modifiers are allowed in these games. Please check the wiki to learn more about Simple games, including which roles and modifiers can be in this game.
I suppose there's a potential possible world where that was actually a scumslip by Grovyle having not been on the same page as Nick about fakeclaims and referenced something they'd talked about, but the setup is not in favor of that. That'd mean we only have a rb and neighborizer, and that miight balance against 3 goons. But if Grovyle/Nick were scum they either took a risk claiming a jk on my slot when for all they knew I could have results which would disprove my having been blocked; or they actually got info on my slot to know I was vanilla, in which case scum is too powerful for a rb/neighborizer town."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Roleblocker blocks jailkeeper due to resolving first in NAR. Doesn't matter to this game tonight if there's one scum left because no multitasking.In post 2416, Black wrote: I had a thought when reading 2404 that Smiley is really trying to save his scum PR but then it hit me that I don't really know why he would be doing that. Even if Smiley is faded I don't think there is any world where DGB gets a kill off due to Nick being so sus of her. And she can't roleblock because there's no multitasking. (Side note I'm kinda curious what would happen if roleblocker and JK target each other?)
This move doesn't really make sense in a Smiley/DGB solve
And like I said, DGB and Smiley are just hard defending each other here and I don't know how you guys can read Smiley thinking the claimed investigative is the most likely pr to be scum and think that makes sense instead of being ridiculous."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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In post 2378, DrippingGoofball wrote: Kill me first... after my town flip, don't fade Smiley, Smiley is town.
Truly a cohesive mindset here and definitely not scum trying to look townier by feigning willingness to be voted.In post 2440, DrippingGoofball wrote:
You should vote my roleblock target, that's way more informative since it will be a scum flip.In post 2437, Gibdo wrote: We're getting good info either way we vote here and town can still afford to flip a green I think. VOTE: DGB
Any player that thinks otherwise is a likely scum partner to Grovyle.
DrNick, please make sure to let us know who you're jailkeeping tonight, just in case. I assume Smiley unless you say otherwise."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Tomorrow's mislim? Didn't you just say scum are gonna shoot Smiley tonight after you flip town?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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What the fuck is this game
I'm lodging a complaint with the reviewers who designated it as a Simple"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Why is Smiley clear?"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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But why not?In post 2554, Gypyx wrote: if this is @me, grovyle is scum by virtue of fake guilty on me, and i don't think the team is grovyle / smiley"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Someday I'll probably read whatever is going on here"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Oh? Sounds like time for this:
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Nice distancing ol' scumbuddyIn post 2648, Black wrote: Aureal it doesn't really feel like you are trying to solve the game at all
You are correct, I have taken a mental vacation from this game and need to reset my thinking when I have the time and energy to spare."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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I've done some thinking and think I know what I want to do here
Gonna at least read these last few pages first though, maybe later tonight"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Okay so I wrote up my thoughts and I'm gonna go through and read today's stuff which I've really only skimmed/skipped entirely. I have noticed Gypyx trying to set me up as a scumpartner which is pretty lol and probably would've made me suspect her even if I didn't already think her sidelining play yesterday was bad.
From the way the end of day 3 went down, I do believe that Grovyle had info on Hu Tao's role and that's why he voted her there.
In a world where Grovyle is lying about a result on Gypyx, the setup is Town JK, Town Roleblocker, Town Neighborizer vs. Mafia Vanilla Cop/maybe Rolecop or something reasonably similar that can give role info. I look at that and think it's a little weird but after the JK/Roleblocker were both proven to be town I'm not gonna think further.
In a world where Grovyle is telling the truth about a result on Gypyx, the setup is Town JK, Town Roleblocker, Town Neighborizer, Town Novice Vanilla Cop vs. Unknown Mafia PR(s?). I look at that and think that must be a significantly powerful PR because that's a good bit of town power, and the only thing I can think to slot in there is yet another Roleblocker type and/or Juggernaut.
Now, if Grovyle were a Mafia investigative, I feel like he doesn't just jump on Hu Tao's fake claim as easily as he did. It was under 3 hours from her claim to him voting her, just 20 minutes after he actually showed up in thread. That locks him into having to claim his role to explain his turnabout when Hu Tao flips town, and I think Mafia is going to be more shy about that than town because they'd like to keep their options open to fakeclaim.
But then, that made me worry, if Mafia have a Roleblocker, why did they not block Grovyle, who could find their Roleblocker? So I checked who was called as the JK targets. DrNick should've jailkept Smiley or Gibdo so it's a big risk to have them do the kill - since they apparently wanted to kill DrNick that means someone who was not those two should make the kill. And Smiley's slot was already implicated by the lack of kill when it was the JK target so it fits perfectly as a partner here, nobody was blocking Gibdo. A Gypyx/Smiley team can't risk Gypyx roleblocking Grovyle here while Smiley kills DrNick because Smiley is likely getting blocked, so Gypyx needs to make the kill and thus cannot roleblock.
Bottom line: if Gypyx flips Mafia Roleblocker it's immensely likely that Smiley is the partner."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Well this just reeks of trying to distance from Smiley if he gets flipped today, to the uninformed "reasonably" Smiley could simply have been the NK target who was protected by the JKIn post 2477, Gypyx wrote: Gidbo is the only player i'm comfortable clearing rn
i think grovyle has the worse associatives out of SmileyDude / Grovyle (1 of them has to be scum, reasonably)"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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