Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[Aureal]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Get rekt, scum!!!!!

[Aureal]

Crap I forgot to do the slide!!!!



It's been a long time since I replaced into a game okay!!!

[Aureal]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

Oh buddy

And accidental lolHammer while repping in would have been a sight to see

Pre Edit: If you think Groyvle is scum, what do you make of there push on me?

I did actually check the last vote count!!!

[Aureal]

Oh yeah there was something else I guess I can just ask the mod about now!!!

@mod: at what point in the game would a Neighborizer be given a neighborhood?

[Aureal]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

Enchant?

im going to interpret this as a townslip

Sus post. Unless you don't know who enchant is

Lol, how is it sus?

[Aureal]

He's implying he thinks that element thinks enchant is still alive. But I think it was just saying someone should quick hammer since enchant does that

Wow, that's quite a strange reach for an alternative explanation!

[Aureal]

im ngl i think the doctor claim and insistence of bad faith from hu tao after i extended good faith feels scummy and just rereading this d1 from hu tao gives me icky feelings. i think hu tao started posting better once they had a backboard to bounce off of with being suspected and that sorta faded away with this dayphase. less confident but i think scum were already on wagon due to the way hu tao reactively claimed without significant pressure - most people off wagon were not looking to vote there and aureals vote was clearly unserious at first.

im going to give myself 15 minutes to think it over and i intend to put hu tao back at e-1.

Unserious? She's trying to push obvtown who in turn was voting her. Thbbbbbbt at 'unserious'

Oh yeah I think Dannflor wanted her gone too, also a fine reason

[Aureal]

BTW what does that "scum already on wagon" mean, you're saying you think Hu is being bussed here by an earlier voter?

[Aureal]

So Elements, then? Unless you think Black would actually back off of the Hu wagon here

[Aureal]

Also if no one knows who Grovyle is by now........sheesh

haha

Nope!

Are you saying you do???

Also lolwut at dgb

[Aureal]

98.5% sure

If you were here the whole time, you would know as well

I... I would? *confusion*

You're trying to make me actually read more, aren't you?

I am baffled that you would feel so confident at alt guessing given your past performance

[Aureal]

Insert yellow m&m here

[Aureal]

Yeah something sorta like that, except not

[Aureal]

What do you think of dgb's hammer?

[Aureal]

Are you claiming to be voteless?

[Aureal]

Yay, the mafia are friendly!

[Aureal]

Also boo, I guess I should actually finishing reading the game.

I think we might wanna massclaim here.

[Aureal]

It's Hu Tao, never trust anything she says

[Aureal]

Lolno

Why should obvtown go first

[Aureal]

And dgb last??? She's practically a policy yeet at this point imo

[Aureal]

Lolno

Why should obvtown go first

what makes them obvtown?

The fighting with madman over his asking for investigative results and what he did last night. Though I see now there's even some deeper meaning to it. XD

[Aureal]

If Thomith is scum I think you're probably town

[Aureal]

I guess there could be a world where scum tried to shoot that slot because replacements can really mess with things

But it just doesn't seem hugely likely especially since there was two replacement slots overnight and I hadn't really given any indication of what I'd do next so I was still largely an unknown too

[Aureal]

If Thomith is scum I think you're probably town

Why

The jk on the slot likely blocked the kill, and I don't think you'd send him to do the kill

[Aureal]

I suppose you could have a pr you'd rather use, I think multitasking is not enabled this game?

[Aureal]

According to the wiki the default is Mafia only get to take one action

So I scrolled down through the rest of the setup looking to make sure the default hadn't been changed and it spelled it out at the bottom of the rules that they can't multitask

So actually maybe that wasn't a great thought because the mafia probably do have a pr so the choice would be made based on role in almost all cases, rather than game position

[Aureal]

Maybe I was faking a townslip and was intending to go back on it all along once I 'realized' the setup was a factor.

That said I think Black likely really did townslip there, going and researching the wiki to figure out the answer to the multitasking question, which she would already know if if she was scum basing night actions on it.

[Aureal]

Do you not think I could fake that as scum?

Well. I originally wrote "probably" there then considered that and downgraded it to "likely"

How's this sound for claim order?

Smiley>Aureal>Black>Gibdo>Grovyle>DGB>Gypyx

[Aureal]

I don't especially want her later but I remembered Klick had reads and looked at them and he thought she was probably town. And I'm looking at the start of day two and her posting there seems really reasonable looking at it now, and Klick liked it too.

Of course, my worry now is that her view of the gamestate was too good there because tmi. And we hadn't had the "it's not a hammer" wtfness yet.

Smiley>Aureal>Black>DGB>Gibdo>Grovyle>Gypyx?

[Aureal]

Lol so fake

I'm vanilla

Black?

[Aureal]

Ping ping

Hi we're massclaiming

I'm actually reading Hu Tao less as more town than I was before, after re-reading through her posts... it just feels too nonchalant for scum gameplay, but maybe that's just her playstyle? Can someone attest to that? Also, is there a world where DGB is scum here?

[Aureal]

you keep making the exact flat arguments that scum make in this scenario. we are resolving you. VOTE: hu tao

A credible claim would be accompanied by a list of night actions.

I am willing to hammer HT.

There's no unvote after this, Black unvoted beforehand, allowing Grovyle to put Hu back at e-1; DGB even acknowledged that she'd be hammering

[Aureal]

Not really. It's a Simple, I don't think there's supposed to be wifomy situations like town having both a JK and RB.

However I think there's likely a mech approach we can take here, having them block each other and force no kill if we flip Smiley as scum.

[Aureal]

Yeah I don't really believe it either, I think it's probably just Smiley/DGB here but I'm gonna fight the impulse to just turboyeet them until I work out the mech a little more.

[Aureal]

Mafia having a vanilla cop while town has two blocking roles and a neighborizer doesn't strike me as a likely Simple setup

[Aureal]

And yeah I suppose there's space for Grovyle to be lying about the specifics of the role but his play matches pretty well with it, and it's the blocker/blocker aspect moreso that goes against the grain of what I'd expect from a Simple

[Aureal]

So you think it's Grovyle and Nick?

[Aureal]

You just said you definitely blocked the kill, but Nick claimed jk. So how do you have such confidence it was you?

[Aureal]

Just gonna non sequitur, huh?

[Aureal]

I'm sorry, I can't even finish reading that after "scum don't need a roleblocker in a setup with 3 town PRs, so DGB is the least likely to be lying" XD

VOTE: SmileyDude1

[Aureal]

Yeah. She's just playing clueless. If she was really convinced she'd stopped a kill with her roleblock she'd have come into the thread more like you did; but instead she waited to throw shade until it was clear we're not buying her claim.

[Aureal]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

mod, you may want to correct the deadline used in the last vote count

[Aureal]

Huh?

[Aureal]

In the hypothetical case that we flip scum today, nick / DGB should both coordinate who they're blocking tonight

Definitely something that Nick's buddy would say.

This is some quality open wolfing now, I applaud you DGB

^This

Black, stop listening to the scum

It's a Simple, it's supposed to be straightforward, not make you go 'hmmmm would they really give town two very similar roles, darn wifom'

And voting in Smiley/Grovyle does nothing in the bizarro world where Smiley is town who was shot at.

[Aureal]

Yeah I don't see much reason to shoot there either, which is exactly why the jk almost certainly was stopping him from making the kill rather than being it.

Also the whole "working in lockstep with Goofball to defend each other once they got tied together" thing.

[Aureal]

since drnick is odd night

??????

[Aureal]

Sorry for not being very talkative but i kinda agree with everything that smiley is saying, besides a jailkeeper and a roleblocker can absolutely coexist imo

Again.

It's a

Simple.

You are playing a Simple Normal game. These games are designed to provide a newbie-friendly and traditional mafia experience, with little focus on setup speculation. A small list of roles and modifiers are allowed in these games. Please check the wiki to learn more about Simple games, including which roles and modifiers can be in this game.

A traditional experience is precisely what you get with town having jk/vc/neighborizer- a protective, investigative, and communication role. Not so with doubling up on blocking roles and having the only investigation possibility be triple-gated by having to not just successfully block a kill but figure out which of the three possibilities occurred.

I suppose there's a potential possible world where that was actually a scumslip by Grovyle having not been on the same page as Nick about fakeclaims and referenced something they'd talked about, but the setup is not in favor of that. That'd mean we only have a rb and neighborizer, and that miight balance against 3 goons. But if Grovyle/Nick were scum they either took a risk claiming a jk on my slot when for all they knew I could have results which would disprove my having been blocked; or they actually got info on my slot to know I was vanilla, in which case scum is too powerful for a rb/neighborizer town.

[Aureal]

I had a thought when reading 2404 that Smiley is really trying to save his scum PR but then it hit me that I don't really know why he would be doing that. Even if Smiley is faded I don't think there is any world where DGB gets a kill off due to Nick being so sus of her. And she can't roleblock because there's no multitasking. (Side note I'm kinda curious what would happen if roleblocker and JK target each other?)

This move doesn't really make sense in a Smiley/DGB solve

Roleblocker blocks jailkeeper due to resolving first in NAR. Doesn't matter to this game tonight if there's one scum left because no multitasking.

And like I said, DGB and Smiley are just hard defending each other here and I don't know how you guys can read Smiley thinking the claimed investigative is the most likely pr to be scum and think that makes sense instead of being ridiculous.

[Aureal]

Kill me first... after my town flip, don't fade Smiley, Smiley is town.

We're getting good info either way we vote here and town can still afford to flip a green I think. VOTE: DGB

You should vote my roleblock target, that's way more informative since it will be a scum flip.

Any player that thinks otherwise is a likely scum partner to Grovyle.

Truly a cohesive mindset here and definitely not scum trying to look townier by feigning willingness to be voted.

DrNick, please make sure to let us know who you're jailkeeping tonight, just in case. I assume Smiley unless you say otherwise.

[Aureal]

Tomorrow's mislim? Didn't you just say scum are gonna shoot Smiley tonight after you flip town?

[Aureal]

What the fuck is this game

I'm lodging a complaint with the reviewers who designated it as a Simple

[Aureal]

Why is Smiley clear?

[Aureal]

if this is @me, grovyle is scum by virtue of fake guilty on me, and i don't think the team is grovyle / smiley

But why not?

[Aureal]

Someday I'll probably read whatever is going on here

[Aureal]

Oh? Sounds like time for this:

[Aureal]

Aureal it doesn't really feel like you are trying to solve the game at all

Nice distancing ol' scumbuddy

You are correct, I have taken a mental vacation from this game and need to reset my thinking when I have the time and energy to spare.

[Aureal]

I've done some thinking and think I know what I want to do here

Gonna at least read these last few pages first though, maybe later tonight

[Aureal]

Okay so I wrote up my thoughts and I'm gonna go through and read today's stuff which I've really only skimmed/skipped entirely. I have noticed Gypyx trying to set me up as a scumpartner which is pretty lol and probably would've made me suspect her even if I didn't already think her sidelining play yesterday was bad.

From the way the end of day 3 went down, I do believe that Grovyle had info on Hu Tao's role and that's why he voted her there.

In a world where Grovyle is lying about a result on Gypyx, the setup is Town JK, Town Roleblocker, Town Neighborizer vs. Mafia Vanilla Cop/maybe Rolecop or something reasonably similar that can give role info. I look at that and think it's a little weird but after the JK/Roleblocker were both proven to be town I'm not gonna think further.

In a world where Grovyle is telling the truth about a result on Gypyx, the setup is Town JK, Town Roleblocker, Town Neighborizer, Town Novice Vanilla Cop vs. Unknown Mafia PR(s?). I look at that and think that must be a significantly powerful PR because that's a good bit of town power, and the only thing I can think to slot in there is yet another Roleblocker type and/or Juggernaut.

Now, if Grovyle were a Mafia investigative, I feel like he doesn't just jump on Hu Tao's fake claim as easily as he did. It was under 3 hours from her claim to him voting her, just 20 minutes after he actually showed up in thread. That locks him into having to claim his role to explain his turnabout when Hu Tao flips town, and I think Mafia is going to be more shy about that than town because they'd like to keep their options open to fakeclaim.

But then, that made me worry, if Mafia have a Roleblocker, why did they not block Grovyle, who could find their Roleblocker? So I checked who was called as the JK targets. DrNick should've jailkept Smiley or Gibdo so it's a big risk to have them do the kill - since they apparently wanted to kill DrNick that means someone who was not those two should make the kill. And Smiley's slot was already implicated by the lack of kill when it was the JK target so it fits perfectly as a partner here, nobody was blocking Gibdo. A Gypyx/Smiley team can't risk Gypyx roleblocking Grovyle here while Smiley kills DrNick because Smiley is likely getting blocked, so Gypyx needs to make the kill and thus cannot roleblock.

Bottom line: if Gypyx flips Mafia Roleblocker it's immensely likely that Smiley is the partner.

[Aureal]

Gidbo is the only player i'm comfortable clearing rn

i think grovyle has the worse associatives out of SmileyDude / Grovyle (1 of them has to be scum, reasonably)

Well this just reeks of trying to distance from Smiley if he gets flipped today, to the uninformed "reasonably" Smiley could simply have been the NK target who was protected by the JK

[Aureal]

Gidbo is the only player i'm comfortable clearing rn

i think grovyle has the worse associatives out of SmileyDude / Grovyle (1 of them has to be scum, reasonably)

I agree with the second part but why is Gidbo clear?

I don't think they play ELo the way they did as scum with their partner down in the ropes

What does this even mean? Gibdo's supposed partner was down in the ropes? Who is the partner? You're just assuming Grovyle scum straight into clearing Gibdo based off of not doing much when Grovyle might have gotten flipped yesterday?

[Aureal]

I'm struggling to find reasons why Smiley wouldn't budge on DGB if he is scum here. I think 9 times out of 10 the correct play is to just join in on or at least be ok with the DGB wagon instead of actively fighting against it

Why would scum Smiley care whether townDGB or townGrovyle wagon goes through?

[Aureal]

I have a guilty

I have a feeling I know who you're claiming a guilty on, and if it's what i'm thinking then I don't think that actually works here.

What's this supposed to mean? From the next few posts, you think Grov is faking a guilty on you. What doesn't work about you being a Mafia PR who lied and claimed vanilla? You're very hedgy in a way that's really strange for someone who thinks he's being fake guiltied. "if it's what I'm thinking then you're a liar" is the appropriate reaction, not thinking about whether it works. It's almost like you're assuming it's a guilty on someone else but don't want to outright say as much and eventually decide to cover by pretending you think it's on you...

[Aureal]

Alright so Aureal's out in full force great

ask yourselves this : are these the stances that a lost townie who admits to having struggled to get her head into the game takes

she is arguing with pretty burning passion, unfortunately this is scum passion

Yup, I'm scum when I'm disoriented and scum when I find a worldview again

You're really invested in discrediting me, huh?

[Aureal]

Vibes mostly, 2495 gave off dismissive/lol vibes that I feel like are typical when someone feels their response was bad/scummy/incriminating. Feels like typical framing before you drop something on said player.

You're saying that Grovyle felt your response was bad/scummy/incriminating and was dismissive towards you as a result?

[Aureal]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

Enchant?

im going to interpret this as a townslip

Sus post. Unless you don't know who enchant is

Lol, how is it sus?

Also if no one knows who Grovyle is by now........sheesh

haha

Nope!

Are you saying you do???

Also lolwut at dgb

interesting posts that hint at an Aureal / Grovyle world

How do you figure that? These are just random posts you put together

[Aureal]

i probably should've waited to see on who grovyle claims his guilty but blegh fuck it

Feels like there's a little foreknowledge there of who that guilty is going to be on, eh?

[Aureal]

btw if we somehow have a still hidden PR now would be a great time to come foward

funny bc this was part of the reason I had preclaimed the guilty

Sensible, checks out from town perspective

[Aureal]

i probably should've waited to see on who grovyle claims his guilty but blegh fuck it

Feels like there's a little foreknowledge there of who that guilty is going to be on, eh?

Well uh, see scumcasing scum usually leads to them not trying to get you on their side

it also happened to me before and i can feel it when the fake is coming

Nobody was thinking it was going to be on you at that point, why would you?

[Aureal]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

Enchant?

im going to interpret this as a townslip

Sus post. Unless you don't know who enchant is

Lol, how is it sus?

Also if no one knows who Grovyle is by now........sheesh

haha

Nope!

Are you saying you do???

Also lolwut at dgb

interesting posts that hint at an Aureal / Grovyle world

How do you figure that? These are just random posts you put together

Post 1 - soft defense of someone for something that really didn't need to be defended, this reads as being more involved that normal about other people's reads on your partner

Post 2 - This just reads fake, exuberant "Oh wow i absolutely don't know this guy !", i belive that Grovyle wouldn't out his main in the scum PT, but you are capitalizing on that to try to generate towncred

1) It's literally asking Hu to explain a nonsensical shade (and shading her for her nonsensical shade)
2) Yeah I kinda came into the game with lots of exuberance, maybe you missed it??? It's a thing that happens sometimes. And I still do not know who Grovyle is even after reading day one like Drew implied would help.

[Aureal]

i probably should've waited to see on who grovyle claims his guilty but blegh fuck it

Feels like there's a little foreknowledge there of who that guilty is going to be on, eh?

Well uh, see scumcasing scum usually leads to them not trying to get you on their side

it also happened to me before and i can feel it when the fake is coming

Nobody was thinking it was going to be on you at that point, why would you?

Because i made it pretty clear that in the event of Grovyle claiming a guilty on someone else i would go Grovyle above someone else

So you're saying that you think Grovyle was intending to fake a guilty on someone else, then because you started making an argument against him he decided to change course and claim it on you instead?

[Aureal]

Aureal you're looking mighty punchable right now, like, you're really doing a good job grating my nerves

Take a break! It's just a game and we're all just trying to win it, whatever side we're on. Maybe we're even both on the same side yet, I don't know for sure.

[Aureal]

i don't think we're on the same side though

Why though

You accused me of being frozen scum did you not? Do you not recall how little I got into that previous game where gob was the IC? Why would me not doing much and taking time to think about things make you think I'm scum after seeing that from me as town already?

[Aureal]

like theyre classic shortcuts I've seen people take.
i also think gypyx's "bussing" comment they recently made is an objective slip but ig its kinda hard to prove since I have mechanical info that incriminates them vs having to solve them via day play atp.

You're talking about 2558? You mean you think it's like a perspective slip because she was thinking about the consequences of bussing?

[Aureal]

I'll say that imo gibido is a likely partner in this scenario as their vote for dgb felt forced in that moment. like their gameplay up to that point would have pointed towards voting me there, as well as their words but it seemed they were forced to vote for dgb there rather than vote me.

If this is what you think for Gypyx's partner why were you interacting with Smiley at the start of the day the way you did?

[Aureal]

2572 reminds me that Elements claimed VT on day one apparently just to annoy Madman

That gives me pause to consider whether it was more likely a trueclaim

And then I remember how scumElements said "if I'm a vig I'm shooting Moros" near the start of the last game, so it might actually be more in her wheelhouse as scum to make day one fake claims that can plausibly be retracted as a joke later.

[Aureal]

Gypyx feels better than Grovyle on the last page. She's cool calm and collected whereas Grovyle gives more of a frantic all over the place vibe

Basically the opposite of how I'm reading it

[Aureal]

Honestly i've found that this kind of stuborn "ignore the most likely path" type of stances in ELo often comes from scum

What is this referring to?

Grovyle refusing to see a smiley / me world

because smiley is towny on his own merits. you want to try to push me into a silly corner where i force the solve in a bad place and weaponize smiley being town into getting over the last hump now :lol

i was already refusing to see smiley scum worlds after halfway through the last dayphase xDDDD

Why is Smiley towny?

[Aureal]

going to sleep will offer us nothing other than letting scum pick off someone that worries them

And you think there would be no information to be gained from that?

[Aureal]

Yeah I don't see much reason to shoot there either, which is exactly why the jk almost certainly was stopping him from making the kill rather than being it.

Also the whole "working in lockstep with Goofball to defend each other once they got tied together" thing.

If it's almost certain that Smiley is scum then why should we fade DGB today?

I don't think I ever got an answer to this actually

I think it's noteworthy that Aureal positioned herself to fade the RB over the VT even though she was more convinced the VT was scum

I changed my mind about who was more likely

[Aureal]

You're deadass looking for tiny shit like that to confbias you dude cmon

Actually it's helping me think Smiley might actually be town, seeing him ask the same thing I'm asking XD

[Aureal]

I truly don't know if it's better to no lim here or not

It's pretty common practice in such a situation

Wanna get shot and not have to bother with this anymore?

[Aureal]

I don't understeand what you're saying right now

like, these are words sure

if your point is that i'm trying to create anti associatives i'll just say i've been talking about Gibdo / Aureal pretty much as much as you are, i've stated my piece that i think scum lies among the two due to ming associatives, but the fact that they are avoiding the thread like the plague makes it hard for me to say stuff about them

Aureal's focus on grovyle's claim looking good because of a theoretical "Simple setups need to be investigative + protective + miscalenious" is EXTREMELY weird, and especially considering nick + DBG were town, very much scumsiding

Bruh

I was just in a micro with a town night 1 roleblocker and town vanilla cop and a three person hood that had both scum in it, and it was classified as Regular rather than Simple, sheerly off the need to try to outguess the setup factor of both scum being in the hood. Same freaking thing here with both blocking roles being town. It's ridiculous that this is called Simple and that wasn't.

And throwing the argument of "scumsiding" at someone is a pretty scum move, obviously I as town don't know the results of my actions until see the flips. And strikes me as particularly off coming from you, who frequently doubts yourself.

[Aureal]

After you declare my status as innocent child forever, please quote this post and give me a summary of what you want me to know about this game from YOUR point of view.

For context I have read Day 5 and the Mod ISO.

How am I supposed to declare you innocent, when you're not even wearing your hat?

[Aureal]

But they did co-exist...can they co-exist with cop too???

Wow, better cool it with those question marks before Gypyx calls you fake

[Aureal]

i'm honestly thinking JKer + RBer + Neighborizer is a fair bit scumsided and puts a lot of heavy lifting on the neighborizer's shoulders to be obvtown but also you gotta admit that "Novice Vanilla Cop" is the kind of 0 utility claims that scum make when they're afraid that claiming something more powerful will get them killed because of it being too much town power

Scumsided??

Do you actually disbelieve that Mafia have a PR at all?

[Aureal]

No but really

Aureal is openwolfing right now and that's not even an hyperbole

no solving, directly going for specific points of attack and such

especially after being away for so long, getting the town roleblocker killed, this reads as scum realizing they need to win today

I'm gonna take it as a compliment that you think it's plausible someone could actually still believe I'm a wolf here

But like, why the hell would I just

now

"realize" we need to go for the win here? Surely this is the sort of thing that I'd have been thinking about all along as scum who knows everyone's alignment? Why is that the obvious conclusion rather than that I'm a townie who repeatedly saw her perspective get broken in increasingly savage ways and needed some time to try to try to get things back together?

[Aureal]

Pretty sure scum can't have a roleblocker here. Simple Normal rules dictate that duplicate roles aren't allowed and a town roleblocker already flipped. See this link https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ple_Normal.

+ less importantly that also would bring into question what would happen in regards to RBer vs. RBer type conflicts that feel too complex for a simple (e.g scum roleblocker targets town roleblocker while they target a scum goon performing the kill. How would that resolve. That's an important question that'd be brought into NAR conflict here).

Hm, I'd never noticed the no duplicate roles rule but I don't know that Town Roleblocker and Mafia Roleblocker would be considered duplicate roles. (wait is that why the other game was a Regular, because two scum neighbors?? )

Roleblocker vs. roleblocker conflicts should be irrelevant when there's no multitasking. They could cross-block each other and it wouldn't matter because that's all they can do so they do nothing. Your proposal easily resolves with the scum roleblocker blocking the town roleblocker, preventing the town roleblocker from acting and thus the goon is free to kill. There's no conflict in it.

@mod: Would a Town Roleblocker and Mafia Roleblocker be considered duplicate roles by the Simple Normal rules?

[Aureal]

Huh. Okay then, so much for that thought. I guess having potential Juggernaut shots would still be a pretty reasonable Mafia PR in a setup with two roles that can block kills. Makes more sense than a Mafia vanilla/role cop.

Maybe Smiley really did get shot at, I'm gonna have to seriously consider this world aren't I

[Aureal]

I truly don't know if it's better to no lim here or not

It's pretty common practice in such a situation

Wanna get shot and not have to bother with this anymore?

If you're offering, sure

Someday... it's gotta be something I can pull off someday, right?

[Aureal]

AAAAAAAAH

PLEASE SOMEONE ELSE GET IN THIS THREAD RIGHT NOW

Aureal you're looking mighty punchable right now, like, you're really doing a good job grating my nerves

Yeah i know but like UGHHHHHH

it's ELO, ELO unlock the spamposting part of my brain

sorry for getting heated, i really need to work on trying to manage myself better

it's just the second fucking time this happens and i can't ~_~

Gypyx why did Aureal's comments here bother you so much? You even mention that this is the second time this has happened. I was there for the first and I think your anger made complete sense to me in that game. Aureal's posts don't feel even remotely close to the way Jackson treated you

Do you guys think Gypyx and I look significantly less potentially partnered after this reaction from her?

[Aureal]

Anyways i'll let you two interact, wouldn't want to disturb 2 absolutely real townies trying to find each other !

LMAO coming back to this as post of the year if this is indeed the solve

You bet you can start writing your scummy nom bestie cause i've got them on the ropes

like, simply put, notice the HUGE difference in how Aureal is treating Grovyle vs how Aureal is treating other slots, with Grovyle she's all nice, trying to get him to explain himself, while everyone else is getting aggroed without many second thoughts

"everyone else"?

Does "everyone else" feel like that's a reasonable perspective? Am I aggroing on the rest of you?

[Aureal]

No, I'm saying you seem to be making intentionally bad attacks because
1) you don't have much in the way of a good response to give because you didn't actually have a thought process there to explain; and
2) if you were still able to come up with good-looking responses it would make us both look townier to interact with each other discussing them, but you're probably going down anyway and don't want me to look townier because I'm not your partner

If you were town here I'd think you'd want to try to explain things if I've misunderstood them and try to find me. You're just shutting me out without any explanation.

[Aureal]

Grovyle I had some questions for you too, please do not ignore thanks

[Aureal]

T-Bone what do you think of what I posted in 2773?

[Aureal]

I was saying that you're not partnered since 2568.

Why ask this though from a town POV?

Well because I'm pondering the similarities between this ELO with Gypyx and the last one, because they are striking. To the point where I literally just copy/pasted the exact same post into this game, and apparently it fits well enough that nobody thinks it's out of place.

[Aureal]

There's not much reason not to from my pov. It'd be interesting to know why Gypyx is so passionately against it.

[Aureal]

Are we having a passionate argument now? Seems more like you shutting me out because I expressed some suspicion of you. Not exactly conducive to deciding things, if you're actually a townie. All the townies need to decide to vote scum eventually to win at this point.

[Aureal]

I don't recall ever saying that but since you mention it, you should be working on the assumption that I

could be

town. If you're town and you don't, this game is lost. Why are you so dead set on me being scum? All I've seen you argue is that I'm "obvious openwolfing" and I was scumsiding by voting the way I did.

[Aureal]

Probably no-limming

[Aureal]

Black you already responded to it XD Only interesting thing is T-Bone trying to dredge it up as something relevant now

So in the last day... between DGB and DrNick, the NK was definitely stopped, as their targets were Grovyle and Smiley, respectively. Since DGB and DrNick have both flipped town we can confirm this is the case. This would also mean that Grovyle and Smiley should be going for each other's throats right now, as if either of them are town, they would know that a scum role lies with the other person... the only way both of them would be ignoring this is if they are red together.

Is anything about that incorrect?

They could both be town if scum hit Thomith N3 but I still don't think this world is very likely

[Aureal]

You die tonight? What kind of nonsensical take is that?

She doesn't die tonight if we voted Grovyle? What kind of nonsensical take is that?

[Aureal]

What are you even arguing about T-Bone? And with whom?

[Aureal]

Gypyx are you certain I'm scum or just "fairly" certain?

[Aureal]

What does -ev even mean here

[Aureal]

Pocketing you? In what way could I possibly be trying to pocket you by suspecting you, and why? If Grovyle were my partner I don't want you to vote him here, and if he got flipped anyway I shoot you as the conftown, right?

[Aureal]

What are you even arguing about T-Bone? And with whom?

I do t know why you're being obtuse every time you quote me or respond to something I said. What have I done to you to draw this attitude?

Brutally murdered my poor little purple jellybean who was just trying to do some important crewmate tasks?

We're heading to a no lim, I think it's clear why I would question why Gypyx thinks she would be night killed.

I asked what you thought about the last thing Gibdo said because that's my slot and I know everything Gibdo said was because they were trying to solve the game. I couldn't ask that question to Gypyx, Smiley, or Grovyle because they are the ones involved in his observation so I asked you and Black as hopefully neutral and helpful parties.

Why do you just keep asking questions instead of having any opinions? Especially ones that were already addressed, like I just quoted above?

[Aureal]

Pocketing you? In what way could I possibly be trying to pocket you by suspecting you, and why? If Grovyle were my partner I don't want you to vote him here, and if he got flipped anyway I shoot you as the conftown, right?

Well, generally scum want townies to townread them, like, idk, the fact that you have such an elaborate explaination for that at the ready is also yikes™

idk indeed

I respect the hustle.

VOTE: Gypyx

[Aureal]

to the townie who's wrong about me (prolly black) now seems like a good time to unvote

This is a blatant attempt to stoke fear of being wrong in us, for those keeping track at home. Worry about a quickhammer from the 2 remaining scum doesn't make sense from the pov of someone who thinks one scum is already voting her.

[Aureal]

Gypyx's posts have felt more like someone who has been guiltied and has accepted their fate the longer this has dragged on

Exactly why I finally gave in and voted.

I think it's pretty confirmed now that she's scum- it'd have to be Black/Grovyle as the team otherwise and just... wow congrats on the incredible pocketing if that's the case. XD

[Aureal]

Smiley, honestly I've only skimmed a lot of your big posts. I think my argument in essence here is that Gypyx basically sat back and let the PR vs. PR 1v1 happen on the previous day, with basically just some token commentary to look correct. She didn't want to stop it. Contrast that with how energized she got here today when she got guiltied by Grovyle and suspected by me. Look at how certain she is now, when trying to accuse me, that my position yesterday was bad. If I was so obviously scumsiding and openwolfing, why wait until now to yell about it?

[Aureal]

I think I've shown it in my attitude enough that I think it's just Gypyx and T-Bone here but I'll make it perfectly clear just in case.

T-Bone is saying a lot and it amounts to very little, and he doesn't seem to have the whimsy and devil may care attitude that I've seen from him as town. I don't think town T-Bone would hesitate to hammer here.

[Aureal]

he said he will read overnight and I expect that means he should, if town, have a perspective that allows him to vote correctly. and thus basically self clear himself if town.

This feels like a perspective slip. You need my vote if you are town, you'd think you would show a little more urgency in getting it.

At least Aureal pretends to scumread me to explain why Aureal won't try to appeal to me. If I'm scum you don't need me to vote first or at all when Black and Aureal have already shown they will vote with you. And if we're both town then I am giving cover for Black/Aureal to suddenly reconsider voting Gypyx, so I'm finding it hard to believe you care if I vote correctly based on your actions the end of last day phase and the start of this one.

Pretends to scumread you? What makes you conclude it's pretend?

[Aureal]

No interpretations either of something dumb. Quote me arguing you made bad choices like you said I did.

What even is this

How would it be useful

[Aureal]

Not that clear, and certainly not clear about why you think I'm scum. Most I can see in your ISO is a couple of complaints about me being obtuse/hostile towards you, which I think is pretty unsupported by what's actually happened. We'd barely interacted before you said I was scummy, and you brushed off a direct request from me for thoughts on Gypyx first with 2822.

And I can't help but note that this:

Anyways i'll let you two interact, wouldn't want to disturb 2 absolutely real townies trying to find each other !

LMAO coming back to this as post of the year if this is indeed the solve

is a pretty damn weird post to make for someone who supposedly just replaced into the game and has no thoughts on things yet.

[Aureal]

No interpretations either of something dumb. Quote me arguing you made bad choices like you said I did.

Really what are you even talking about, quote it

[Aureal]

If we weren't in a 1v1 I'd probably be voting Aureal, I don't know what she thinks about the game other than Gypyx scum and when I ask anyone anything Aureal gives me hostility for seemingly no reason. Because of that Grovyle makes more sense from a partner to Aureal perspective. Aureal and Gypyx are probably not partnered.

I'm skeptical of the cop result because it was never explained to me why Grovyle made their choices for investigating. If Grovyle missed me asking that's cool but I can't work with information I don't know. Smiley showed me the post of Grovyle revealing their results but i looked for an explanation as to why these targets were chosen in Grovyle's ISO and didn't find it in a skim.

Black and Smiley seem fine but if they were partnered with one of Gypyx/Grovyle it's pretty easy to look town in a 1v1. I feel like Smiley has been helpful to the game state and so I lean down there and Black has been inoffensive.

Do I win? Or are you going to pull the "but I didn't

literally

use the word 'bad' so it doesn't count even though that's clearly what I'm saying" card?

[Aureal]

I mean I am literally referencing an early request of Grovyle saying what their choices were. A question that was never answered to me, until Smiley eventually also asked it.

You talking about this?

Grovyle, did you out all your results? If not, can you do so and explain why you made those choices?

He

had

outted his results, so...? You're trying to make scum-hay out of him not repeating himself?

Like, why would you even care, as a player who's just replaced in and supposedly knows nothing, about him "explaining why" he made those choices? That's a mindset of wanting there to be something wrong with it.

[Aureal]

It's hard to find motivation to really look through the game today. I'm pretty sick. I did manage to read the last couple of pages and I think I might actually be leaning Grovyle now. Idk though I'll try to provide more when I can

Take your time and rest! Seems like everyone including me is sick right now. Don't worry, I'll wait for you to be ready to vote scum together <3

[Aureal]

He

had

outted his results, so...? You're trying to make scum-hay out of him not repeating himself?

Like, why would you even care, as a player who's just replaced in and supposedly knows nothing, about him "explaining why" he made those choices? That's a mindset of wanting there to be something wrong with it.

I mean I already said at the time that I looked but Grovyle had like 300+ posts and I couldn't find it so that's why I had asked.

You didn't say that at the time, no.

Still the issue of why that's a big deal to you. "OMG nobody held my hand and linked me to Grovyle's results therefore Grovyle is scum!" is not a sensible train of thought. Even by the loose standards of this game.

But sure, a player replacing in wouldn't want to know this information. More like scum!Aureal doesn't want me to have any information. That's why Aureal has been hostile to answering questions or telling me her thoughts from the moment I replaced in. Total town behavior.

Stop posturing. You've been stonewalling me since yesterday, and while I respect the scum tactic it's a little tiring going back and forth.

If you're so confident I'm scum then vote for me and get Grovyle to do it too. If I'm scum with Gypyx than it doesn't matter who flips first and I am a much better scum player than Gypyx.

You know, I actually like this idea. If I vote you here, you not getting hammered means I'm correct about Black being town. And I'm prepared to give her the game if she's not, so not much point in saving it for 3P ELO.

Like idkwtf she's doing here if she's scum- if with Grovyle they're literally just delaying the win by trying to get you to vote because all they need is me to vote; and if with Gypyx again there's little point messing around being uncertain instead of just bussing Gypyx and getting us to vote each other in 3P.

If you're so confident that Grovyle and I are scum, why haven't

you

voted?

[Aureal]

Understand my hostility is out of respect for your hustle.

Likewise

[Aureal]

I see no response to my proposal to clear Black so I'm gonna do it. Thanks for the idea~

VOTE: T-Bone

If you're somehow actually town, I eagerly await endgame of being locked away in Black's pocket foreverrrrr~

[Aureal]

Your pocket is very cozy

[Aureal]

Why on earth would you expect me to solve, I'm 0-3 (soon to be 0-4 )

Oh wait Black was scum, nvm killing me checks out

Well played both of you, can't say I never had any doubts but I think we kinda self-owned a lot too

[Aureal]

I don't even super think Black is scum but I'm running out of other scum reads

I think black is town here. She just unfortunately just wants to vote me every game

I don't WANT to vote you every game, it's just you do scummy stuff every game

Oh no I'm trapped in Black's pocket and now she's stealing my shtick

How could you do this

[Aureal]

I was keeping track of this game and:

I thought DGB was obvtown, but I thought Nick was even more obvtown and I don't blame town for thinking that JK and Roleblocker couldn't co-exist in a simple.

Yeah like, half of the reason I decided to replace in was because I saw Nick, realized who it obviously was and as such was obvtown, and couldn't resist showing up to defend him against the nefarious Hu Tao

[Aureal]

neighborhood and mafia thread will be released in 48 hours assuming no objections and allowing for redactions

[Aureal]

True

I think this is the first time I've ever dumbtelled as scum. Aureal might take the bait here

That said I think Black likely really did townslip there, going and researching the wiki to figure out the answer to the multitasking question, which she would already know if if she was scum basing night actions on it.

Yep

Sorry Aureal I love you

Yup, that was a really good one XD

You'll have to try harder next time <3