Mini Normal 2335: Rainbows (Game Over)

[JacksonVirgo]

Hi.

Hi.

Hi.

[JacksonVirgo]

Yay a surprise betrayal!!

VOTE: Kay

[JacksonVirgo]

I believe voting no elimination is optimal. I know this site is hostile to that. I can't discuss ongoing games but I realised it ends up sidetracking more than helping to advocate it as this site is hardmeta dedicated to vote someone off DP1.

It is most definitely not optimal, I wrote an article about this for my own mafia community who kept blabbing about it being the right move for d1.

No elimination guarantees that a wolf is not killed for the entire cycle, roles like vigilante do exist but they’re generally negative utility, and compared to an elimination you get much less information from

any

kill, let alone a wolf one.

We should also be aiming at maximising public information, and town lives are simply a resource that we can spend. If we don’t eliminate X here and now, they’ll be around to miselim in ELO. If we can’t find the wolves now, we need to remove the buffer between scummy town and the actual wolves. We’re wasting utility and making the endgame harder by no elimination. When the buffer is thinner, we can also have a much greater raw chance of PRs acting optimally

When there’s a locked elim, such as a redcheck the game usually stagnates because there is no underlying thing to push towards which neuters our chances the following days pretty substantially which completely removes the benefit of guaranteeing town isn’t miseliminated. No elim also gives wolves a free kill on who is towniest without any risk of losing one of their own. It’s foolish.

Our win condition is to kill all the wolves, not keep town alive. Play towards the win condition

[JacksonVirgo]

This random voting doesn't help tells. I don't get the point of it since people also intentionally avoid building wagons randomly from it.

Wagons matter, pure randoms don't.

Complaining about things also doesn’t help. The game just started to arguments are small, they’re based on vibes initially but it snowballs into much more. Your entire philosophy seems to be unintentionally stagnating the game

[JacksonVirgo]

This random voting doesn't help tells. I don't get the point of it since people also intentionally avoid building wagons randomly from it.

Wagons matter, pure randoms don't.

Complaining about things also doesn’t help. The game just started to arguments are small, they’re based on vibes initially but it snowballs into much more. Your entire philosophy seems to be unintentionally stagnating the game

If that is what it seems to be, that isn't my issue. My issue is solely what it does and it does the opposite.

What?

[JacksonVirgo]

This random voting doesn't help tells. I don't get the point of it since people also intentionally avoid building wagons randomly from it.

Wagons matter, pure randoms don't.

In reference to your previous post, ending the day killing nobody isn’t optimal but I don’t have an issue with people who think it is.

Random voting is just something that happens, it’s a way to get conversation going. Sometimes an early wagon can help develop reads.

I can argue why it's superior game theory play for Town that DP1 ends in No Elim here rather than Scum.

The only time this becomes less true is with regulars who play hardball. Then softclaims and subtle buddying Vs bussing chaos can ensure to be read later.

You say you can argue it but you also ignore my entire post talking about it

[JacksonVirgo]

Consistency is overrated, that goes against my entire sctick

[JacksonVirgo]

I’m sure you could but I don’t think no elimination is ever optimal. So you wouldn’t be able to convince me. I doubt you’d be able to convince many people. These discussions have been done to death and no elimination is rarely a good idea.

It’s only optimal if it gives you more information from it than you would lose. Aka a 1v3 for instance without a clear and obvious town. Scum has to kill somebody and that gives free information rather than risking loss immediately. That’s pretty much the only real use for a no elim that I can think of.

[JacksonVirgo]

Well yeah, D1 would need an obvious breaking solve for me to consider noelim

[JacksonVirgo]

No you

[JacksonVirgo]

Just finished work catching up now

[JacksonVirgo]

I feel personally insulted every time someone says my name with a space

[JacksonVirgo]

I am seeing Black as scummy on entrance, feel she's voting T3 because either it's a bus and she hopes others react by disliking the wagon and turning it on someone or because T3 has lurked overall and is an easy target (she is the second vote on him, not first).

Wagons are good

Wagons are bad

[JacksonVirgo]

anyway i'm a town cop. didn't expect to be made to claim over literally nothing but here we are.

my crumbs are here:

evidently

, i don't agree.

and here:

fair enough lol.

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How in the balls is “evidently” a crumb? Also the cop crumb is a bruh moment

[JacksonVirgo]

Black, your vote on T3 feels incredibly shallow, I don’t believe you of all people think that’s a wolf from that. This feels like a pivot to somewhere for the sake of the pivot, rather than you thinking T3 is scum for that

[JacksonVirgo]

I did vote Kay for the lulz, but now it’s staying genuinely

[JacksonVirgo]

Black, your vote on T3 feels incredibly shallow, I don’t believe you of all people think that’s a wolf from that. This feels like a pivot to somewhere for the sake of the pivot, rather than you thinking T3 is scum for that

shrug

I wasn't convinced he was scum but at the time I thought there was an above average chance he was

Do you still believe that?

[JacksonVirgo]

That’s just them as a player in general, I think you’re looking too far into it personally. Which I don’t blame you considering you don’t know how he does things, I’m not against NM going out ever so pop off king

[JacksonVirgo]

Can someone scumread me so I feel reason to put effort in? Thank

I’ll do a proper analysis when I get my keyboard back, I’m mobile posting for the meantime and it’s gross

[JacksonVirgo]

I also doubt it