Mini 2297 | Conception | Postgame

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Ego.

GIF head won’t really be here until end of tomorrow due to moving shenanigans.

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Meanwhile, we have all pretty much ignored Abnegation claiming miller. Not sure what to make of it, except that claiming it right at the start is generally the right play. This is multiball though, and her claim could make either scum team suspect her of belonging to the other, potentially exposing her to nightkills. Leaving this alone for now.

That miller is a town claim. If he claimed a regular miller I would’ve been more skeptical.

So IC + miller claim means two locktowns for me.
Maybe finally I’ll have an easy game for once?
I’d say that Rau or whatever is town too but I guess since this is multiball or something it really technically makes sense for non-benediction

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Oh mb I read it wrong

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Y’all rule #1 of multiball is that we next expect non-town to be beneficial.

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If Abnegation is town as well, that could be me, Rautherdir, Abnegation and Hell Froze Over in the Early Towncore

Idk about you but the rest sounds about right

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@ActionDan I reeeeeeeally don’t think checker would be a scum role.

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Also how he went about his claim etc

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With that said, I’m still not really around until tomorrow so please don’t end the day too quickly.

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Is it bad if I decide to base my read on something that I’ve seen 10 years ago?

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Because I’m about to.

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How many correct townreads do I need D1 to just lollim the rest?

13p, assuming 9:2:2
Mislim D1 8:2:2 | 2 nightkills on town 6:2:2
Mislim D2 5:2:2 | 2 nightkills on town 3:2:2

Wow shit I only have 1 mislim until we get potentially ducked over.

So I need 8 correct reads ugh why did I join a multiball :^)

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Is it bad if I decide to base my read on something that I’ve seen 10 years ago?

Because I’m about to.

Still doing this though because I feel good about this.
I’m actually not gonna say who this is, because I feel like if I say the name and why they might feel kinda insulted when I meant no insult at all, so I’ll just slide the name in there when I eventually make the list

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With that said

The theory was meant to provoke discussion and get us out of RVS. I don't actually believe it to be the case, and without night actions or a flip to show otherwise I will be treating the game as having two antagonistic factions against town.

This is actually kinda oof. Note to self to check the beginning of day tomorrow when my brain isn’t mush and it’s not past midnight

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Quick ISO suggests Feysal is also town I think

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Well it wasn’t really quick because their posts were kinda long but hey

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Hi guys I claim Benediction!
Any CC's?

You are bad at scumclaiming. Watch and learn.

I HAVE

GREEN

ROLE PM

Nobody lies on their first post right

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Wow I know I wasn’t really here for last few days due to moving but ppl in this game has either too many posts or too little posts.

I have 4.5 townreads including the IC so far.
The .5 may be rounded up or down depends on what I see probably in next few posts

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btw all posts have been GIF so far
I kinda remember seeing the signing rule but I kinda forgot to

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Pagetop

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I have AD as town but don’t tell him

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I have AD as town but don’t tell him

Uh, wrong thread?
~b

AD is in this game so correct thread

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Sounded like a thing you wanted to tell to the other head.

AD is hearing you here

I wish my other head is here lol
I think hebi is still busy

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Sounded like a thing you wanted to tell to the other head.

AD is hearing you here

Don’t worry the only slip I ever do in mafia game is altslip

Speaking of a devil

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Wow I know I wasn’t really here for last few days due to moving but ppl in this game has either too many posts or too little posts.

I have 4.5 townreads including the IC so far.
The .5 may be rounded up or down depends on what I see probably in next few posts

if you have townreads, can you share them?

I think I named them all over the course actually

Frozen - is IC
Alianna alt - miller, I think it’s truthful and is town role
ActionDan - “10 years old meta”
Feysal - Just feels town
Rauth - my 0.5 townread

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Although to be honest I’m really just memeing with 10 years old meta thing (although there’s a tiny bit of truth behind it)
I just think he’s town here. I have this tendency to townread effort but I think I’m actually right here

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I’ll place my vote later tonight when there is less than 2 days deadline left

Tbh my long term moving is kinda destroying me but I didn’t realize we have short deadline so I guess I gotta do better than having rounded-up-to-5 townreads two of them basically being confirmed towns

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None of the wagons rn I’m not really interested atm.
I still think Rau is town because I really don’t think checker is a role given to scum. Enchant I’m aware is prone to get wagoned. Ice I think last time I ISO’d him I didn’t really find him scummy.

I’ll finally have desktop access tonight so we’ll see if I can whip up something.

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VOTE: Goldfishfromthemoon

Why

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Don’t like any of the current wagons?

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I'm finally having a quick chance to read the game and not on phone.
And I think I'm beginning to see why Ice was being wagoned.

Page 2 was awkward, and

Guys we've had a fuckton of mechanical discussion but barely any scumhunting.
I'm gonna VOTE: ActionDan because I like their ISO the least.

is also awkward when he seemed engaged on that mechanical discussion.

With that said, I'm trying to focus on The Keeper posts but I played like 5 games of Binding of Isaac and the furthest I've reached was Mom's heart so I have no idea what he's referencing most of the time lol.

Moi

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I think in a game like this where there are only few people talking and the rest silent, there tends to be like 1 active scum and rest non-active. But that's normal games so idk how things tend to be in multiball.

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Hmmmmm

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Wait, this has already started?

@Narration, I did not receive a daystart PM.

Wait a sec while I read the thread...

This... is actually a massive towntell, right?
I think if Blue is scum he'd have, like, he'd know the day started by either scum PT locking or his buddy telling him, right?

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Ok yeah I think that's a townslip.

I'm adding Blue to townpile.

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@Narration, I did not receive a daystart PM.

Oops. I somehow accidentally added a space between Blue and Snakelet. Sorry about that.

And it's confirmed by mod too so

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I have game related thoughts but I need to do some reading tonight, expect me to come back with something

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Is this one of those games where I just vote from lurkers near end of Day 1

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Hey guys I grabbed a really cute avatar uwu I hope you liek it

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Can it be technically faked? Of course.
Is it likely that it is faked? I think not.

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Like what is the chance Blue goes "Oh I'm scum and I didn't receive a daystart PM so even though I know that the game started already I'm gonna use that and pray that someone picks it up and calls it town"
Occam's razor baby I'm calling that shit town

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This daystart PM stuff looks a bit OGI to me

It’s not OGI if mod confirmed it in thread that Blue didn’t get a daystart PM

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This daystart PM stuff looks a bit OGI to me

It’s not OGI if mod confirmed it in thread that Blue didn’t get a daystart PM

No I mean reading alignment into it is a bit OGI because it uses something that shouldn't really be relevant to our reads.

Eh you’re allowed to use stuff like those to base your reads. It’s as relevant as using site wide activity level to determine if someone is active lurking. It’s just that you can’t just publicly say those out loud a lot of times because you don’t want to test the lines of the mentioning ongoing games rule.

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With that said if it really comes down to Rau vs Ice for wagon I’m probably choosing Ice.

Rau’s plays look kinda exquisite(?) but if he is good at scum as someone mentioned (I forgot who) I don’t think this kind of stuff is a play he makes as scum period.

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Although yes the jab-and-retreat our IC has mentioned does catch me off guard time to time as well

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Replacing KawaiiKame

If they come back before a replacement is found, they may keep the slot.

@Mod: Are we getting a deadline extension for this?

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@Aisa
P2 looked forced and the second part also looked kinda looked forced because he’ve been indulged with mech speak quite deeply and all of the sudden made that post like he hasn’t been doing such.

With that said though

@Mod: this (only) active head is in V/LA until Friday

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I guess I'm wondering - does anyone here have any familiarity with Kawaii? Is their tone their usual town tone? Is this too easy? What alignment is everyone else? I don't really have a feel for this game so I'm not really aching to flashwagon Kawaii right this very second. But the people on the wagon have points.

All I can say is that I agree about the lurking being meaningless. Also, KawaiiKame is still new, having joined the site less than two months ago, and that makes their play harder to read. Newbies make newbie mistakes, but even so, I feel good about this.

By the way, when I first mentioned switching to KawaiiKame, it was based on nothing more than the off chance that your predecessor had gotten demoralized and replaced out because of their partner. Why I picked them over Goldfish was because they came back and continued to be useless. Given how few people were actively posting, I was fine with getting rid of a lurker, while a replacement could still redeem Goldfish's slot.

Kawaii and I have been going back and forth on our games in how inactive we can be, assuming due to outside life.


-hebi

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I guess I'm wondering - does anyone here have any familiarity with Kawaii? Is their tone their usual town tone? Is this too easy? What alignment is everyone else? I don't really have a feel for this game so I'm not really aching to flashwagon Kawaii right this very second. But the people on the wagon have points.

All I can say is that I agree about the lurking being meaningless. Also, KawaiiKame is still new, having joined the site less than two months ago, and that makes their play harder to read. Newbies make newbie mistakes, but even so, I feel good about this.

By the way, when I first mentioned switching to KawaiiKame, it was based on nothing more than the off chance that your predecessor had gotten demoralized and replaced out because of their partner. Why I picked them over Goldfish was because they came back and continued to be useless. Given how few people were actively posting, I was fine with getting rid of a lurker, while a replacement could still redeem Goldfish's slot.

Kawaii and I have been going back and forth on our games in how inactive we can be, assuming due to outside life.


-hebi

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Kawaii did not want this lim. I'm actually fairly confident that they would have preferred a nolim to it.
This makes no sense from a red, especially if it's true that they can't crosskill directly. This also makes little sense from blue; it's also an unfortunate stretegy for green, but at least it would make some sense.

I just read this and it made me come up with a rather wild speculation.
Assuming it's true scum can't crosskill directly, but still have a way to get the other scum killed (per the phrasing Rauth used), it's possible that each scumteam has a publishing cop on the other scumteam.
So basically my specuation is that Malediction can check if a player is Benediction, and post that info publicly.
If that's the case and they used it on The Keeper, then The Keeper would be mechanically confirmed not scum.
Of course it's just wild speculation so they are not actually confirmed, but I am just bringing this up as a possibility.

I hate this post so much. Reads like scum pointing town in a direction.

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We should likely wait for kawaii though, I do agree with that vibe. I need to consult with my other head a bit.

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"a direction" as in they're scum with keeper trying to get them confirmed? hoping town would think something like i suggested in 717 and trying to draw out a roleblocker? can you be a little more specific?

Sorry, I'm trying to say that they're trying to pull town toward scumreading cop claims preemptively.

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My reads on Enchant and furtive are mostly based on vibes. I don't think I'd find either an easy read if I hadn't played with them before. But I have played with them, and they just happen to pop out to me this game. I will now attempt to explain the vibes but the key thing to know is that they're not completely logically explainable, they're gut reads.

Tonight's Tinfoil is that I'm suddenly wondering if I should take my furtive townread away D:

"Why" idk I just ISOed him again and everything suddenly looks scummy, please help D: D:

Congratulations! You've discovered why "vibes" (uggg) alone don't work. Good that you rescinded the furtive read as 737 was rather contrived, even you must have felt that when writing that out right?

I think the basis for the Enchant read is way better in 721, though I am not fully onboard until more time as passed. I have played with him too as scum and it became rather obvious he was and while it wasn't exactly quantifiable there was definitely a reason why that I will not explain. Caveat I haven't been in an extended game with him as town.

I'll revaluate my Hugir read and see if it holds up.

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I don't like 715. Aside from a rather major flaw in the logic, there's no connection whatsoever between 635 and the speculation in 715. Thus it was said to be said with some sort of purposeful intent.

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About Kawaii. They're green scum. And they've been green scum 100% since the Rauth flip. I was looking a bit to see what everyelse's reaction today would be but no one really did any haw-hemming

I think I agree with this analysis though, even if Kawaii site flanked in general.


I just don't see the point in rushing the day through yet.

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VOTE: Abnegation

Are you actually scumreading abnegation or is this just a frustration vote?

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Insert Flavour

Aisa,

Compassion

, was deleted.

Spoiler: Compassion

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Compassion

!

Role Abilities:

• Compassion (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Compassion
  , every Night, you must attempt to block another concept's actions as well as protecting them from a single deletion, being deleted in their place.
  
• Compassion (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Compassion
  , you will compulsively attempt to target the same concept each night until they are erased.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

ty aisa!
idk if you actually took a bullet for me but i'm half clear if you did.

I think you’re town anyway regardless of the potential bodyguarding

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ngl I wasn’t really here at all for most of the D2.
I’m gonna go look at how Kawaii wagon was built.

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I personally don’t want massclaim yet but if majority agrees I’ll comply.

Also re: wagon red names, if there be scum in there it’s either or furtive / IceDragon I think. I remember townreading Feysal and FL replaced Blue.

Pls no rush until I get to review the wagon, which I’ll be doing tomorrow

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Actually now that I look at it I townread the remaining playerlist aside from furtive / ID / Enchant / The Keeper.

This is actually straight from my D1 reads. Might as well go over them soon while I look at the kawaii wagon tomorrow

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And I would certainly want your claim now, having damned our investigative.

I thought I was finna die last night so I wanted to take Enchant down with me!

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Actually now that I look at it I townread the remaining playerlist aside from furtive / ID / Enchant / The Keeper.

This is actually straight from my D1 reads. Might as well go over them soon while I look at the kawaii wagon tomorrow

I really need to review this huh

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Anyway I’m sorry that happened to you Enchant

That’s all I’m going to say

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VOTE: Feysal

Anyway, why Feysal?

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Fuck this.


I am Relation, basically parity cop of variant where i check relationship with previous target. My targets are:
N1: IceDragon. Nothing.
N2: Aisa. Shares alignment with IceDragon.

Furtive just loverised me with self for fucking no reason so my chances to survive next night nosedived anyway.

Wow! Thanks for clearing me but like why are you claiming???

EBWOP

You either failed to understand the claim or are actually trolling me.
You are not clear.

Explain to me how ID sharing an alignment with flipped town doesn’t confirm him as town

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Also for the sake of Feysal’s theory we should at least massclaim whether we can roleblock or not

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(I can not roleblock)

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I read the D2 finally and… really all I saw was nigh-unanimous “kawaii obv greenscum kthxbye xoxo”

I’ll have to go back to D1.

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@feysal, actiondan - i can explain the lack of kills.
the mod gave us a notice that atypical factional abilities are possible (as in, one or both factions may have something other than a standard factional kill). i don't know why he would say that if there weren't any atypical factional abilities in the game. rh does not strike me as being that much of a troll.
i think it is highly unlikely that both scum have a factional nightkill, and idk how much you want to trust scum, but rauther outright claimed benediction doesn't.

Which unfortunately could be reasoned out anyways, so. Ah well. And also in interest of supporting my win con,

I'm afraid I should tell Malediction that Benediction will not be shooting Hell Froze Over tonight.

This sounds like Benediction has a nightkill to me.

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FL while you’re here can you claim whether you have the ability to roleblock?

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Actually Benediction has to have some sort of way to kill because otherwise

You win if at least one disciple of Benediction remains and all other concepts are erased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

This win con wouldn’t make sense, unless you think Benediction must win via mislim or something

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You know what

During my shower I remembered the Ranger situation in Demon Slayer, and I probably should’ve learned something or two from it
I’m just gonna stand on Abnegation being town even though it mechanically makes sense that she is highly likely to be roleblocked-twice-egg-benedict. Read over mech on this one.

#ShowerThoughts

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Abnegation claimed some sort of alternating miller D1. It is a perfect way to fuck with Enchant’s parity cop so I believe that miller claim.

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Although ngl

Arsonist is some scary shit to think about

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Yeah come to think of it her reaction doesn’t make sense if she was scum who has been roleblocked for both nights. If I was that scum I would’ve been super worried, not “oh hey I’m clear right?”

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I’ll tell you I have better stuff to do than sending flyers at folks.

I’m going to bed now today has been a rough day (moving day)

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The “FL-must’ve-nexused-at-N2” head

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Not Enchant
Not Abnegation
Not Furtive
Not IceDragon
Not FL

I don’t think benediction would have a fruit vendor and checker as power that sounds kinda terribad
Keeper ain’t Benediction unless mod is lying

So man is it really AD-green and Fey/Keeper-red

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Either I’ve been bamboozled hard before (both AD and Fey were strong townread D1 for me)
Or I’m being bamboozled hard right now (At least one of AD and Fey are town and I’m being rekt somewhere)

This is not a pleasant feeling

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Either I’ve been bamboozled hard before (both AD and Fey were strong townread D1 for me)
Or I’m being bamboozled hard right now (At least one of AD and Fey are town and I’m being rekt somewhere)

This is not a pleasant feeling

So like; let's start small. Like real small.

Please look back on D1 and look at the votes for Ice / Rauth. Consider it homework. Tell me what you see

Please don’t give me homework on my birthday

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Why are you ruling Abnegation out?

Cos I think she town and read is strong enough to overrule the roleblock shenanigans

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Flavor Leaf, Keeper, Hugir are my top scum candidates right now.

Read as bad as your night action
Except the keeper part

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Flavor Leaf, Keeper, Hugir are my top scum candidates right now.

Read as bad as your night action
Except the keeper part

Hap-hap-hap-hap-hap-happy birthday

You are sus in spite of being the cool birthday haver

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That is interesting.

I am diversion, redirector. I used this role exclusively in attempt to have scum kill themselves.

N1 I redirected furtive to furtive cos I thought he coasting scum
N2 I was gonna do the same thing (and in turn save Enchant as a result) but hebi said that she scumread ID and has the most chance to make a kill due to being unable to roleblock. I agreed. So I redirected ID to ID.

Here’s the kicker though. I didn’t redirect Kawaii. But Kawaii got somehow redirected to Asia. Nobody else claimed redirection. That makes me think mod didn’t tell me my full role and I’m actually a random redirector.

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Name - Role - N1 - N2

Feysal - Fruit vendor - The Keeper - Abnegation
Enchant - Parity Cop - IceDragon - Aisa
Aisa - roleblocker stuff - Abnegation - Abnegation
Kawaii - Neighborizer - NotAisa
The Keeper - Neighbor - NoAction? - NoAction?
Flavor Lead - Meighbor - The Keeper? - NoAction?
ActionDan - Voyeur - Disturbed - NotDisturbed
IceDragon - NoRoleblock - NoAction - NoAction
Hugir - Redirector - Furtive - IceDragon
Furtive - Loveriser - NoAction - Enchant
Rau - Checker - Dead - Dead
Hell - Innocent Child - Stumped - Stumped
Abnegation - Miller - NoAction - NoAction

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Nobody is claiming to visit ActionDan.

Either AD is making shit up or someone is being spicy

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If I’m truly a random redirector my action bounced to target Kawaii to Aisa clearly

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There is also no claim on who loudcopped The Keeper N1.

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Assuming AD is telling the truth, people who could’ve visited AD is: The Keeper, IceDragon, or furtive (assuming I randomly targeted Kawaii)

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did dragon actually claim no action or is that just a placeholder?

It’s a placeholder for now I guess? But he claimed anti-roleblock so I assumed that’s his full role

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Welp we (as in me and hebi both) thought he claimed that he himself can’t be roleblocked lmao

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Why are you ruling Abnegation out?

Cos I think she town and read is strong enough to overrule the roleblock shenanigans

what's the reason for this btw? i don't recall you elaborating much on it, other than the roleblock thing at start of day.

I don’t think your role can be a scum role period. That is also super weird to fakeclaim so I believe your claim. I also think your entrance this day is town.

Not FL

and this read?

FL replaced Blue right

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Yeah

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If I was scum I would’ve fakeclaimed and not claim redirector
I had everyone claimed before me so coming up with one should’ve been easy peasy

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Welp we (as in me and hebi both) thought he claimed that he himself can’t be roleblocked lmao

How would that make sense as a town role????

It didn’t
That’s why we targeted you N2

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I don't think that explains it; why would rauth advise red to kill the IC if green was going to turn around and do it anyway?

Who knows, he could’ve been trying to set up something.

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Also, once again, I am aware redirector is a very risky role to claim (it is doubly so when someone claimed being redirected and I didn’t do it) and if I was a scum redirector, I would’ve fakeclaimed something safe and believable like a commuter.

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That's my biggest hangup: there's no real reason for ScumHugir to claim any of that.

True.

So should we go for AD, as I originally suggested?

Also, I had a thought that just maybe Kawaii targeted goldfish and didn't realize Aisa was the same slot? It's a bit of a crazy theory, but I'm not putting it beyond Kawaii.

that kawaii theory makes a lot of sense.

That Kawaii thing makes sense for me too actually
I was wondering if there was really another redirection in this game and started wondering if furtive was secretly nexus too or something

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Also if Kawaii wasn’t lying and somehow got redirected, then my role is confirmed thus I didn’t visit AD N1.

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Also role interaction wise I’m p sure if one of the two targets cannot be redirected bus driver’s action fails

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Keeper might be Malediction due to some phrasing they used that was in flavor provided to Benediction and I assume would also be in Malediction's.

But yes this game is an example of why I should not actually post my unfiltered thoughts, it gets me eliminated.

Insert Flavour

Light flees from The Keeper; They are not a disciple of

Benediction

.

Insert More Flavour

Hell Froze Over,

Deification

, was deleted but their spirit lives on.

Spoiler: Deification

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Deification

!

Role Abilities:

• Deification (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Deification
  , all actions, except for deletions, will fail on you, as though they were blocked.
  
• Deification (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Deification
  , you are publicly confirmed to be a disciple of
  Invocation
  , and if you are ever erased, you will instead be stumped, losing all of your abilities except your voice.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

They may continue speaking though they will be counted as erased.

Would this and TKeeper’s not-benediction thing be related?

[Hugir]

With that said I’m at ER rn and my phone battery is at 4% so I won’t be here soon

[Hugir]

Day 3 Count GIF

Feysal (2) - Enchant, Flavor Leaf
Flavor Leaf (1) - furtiveglance
Hugir (1) - IceDragon70
ActionDan (1) - Abnegation
Abnegation (1) - ActionDan

Not Voting

- The Keeper, Feysal, Hugir

Notes

• With 9 remaining, it takes 5 to form a majority.
  
• Mod ISO is here.
  
• Keeper is V/LA to Sunday.
  
• I am V/LA to Monday.

Day 3

concludes in (expired on 2023-04-25 11:44:00)

Unofficial VC for notes

[Hugir]

I’ll decide my vote my tomorrow
This game is actually hella mind boggling

[Hugir]

I won’t be around for another 10 hours or so and I see that I’m about to be mislimmed. I guess while partly it’s on me for being complacent and focusing my effort on team mafia, I want y’all to consider that I have never really been pushed (well I think myself p obvtown) until I claimed my role, that again, if I was scum I wouldn’t have claimed truthfully.

Scum wants me limmed today because I’m too dangerous to attempt to nightkill. Like, even if I’m scum (I’m blue as I can ever be, mind you), I’m literally #1 target to be killed tonight over the lovers because while they’re free kills, I can seriously fuck over whatever agenda I have, even if I’m random redirector.

ngl I don’t like resorting to stuff like this and prefer something more solid, short deadlines has been getting me good. If y’all can wait 12 hours or so and still dead set on mislimming me at least let me post my final thoughts after I’m back from work. Although idk if my final thoughts really matter because we p much can’t win if I’m mislimmed today.

[Hugir]

Welp The Keeper is gonna lolhammer me soon since his vla is over today

At least y’all will find out who benediction is tomorrow because they’ll have to claim tomorrow whether they have killing ability or not because it’s gonna be either 2:1:2 or 3:1:2

[Hugir]

When was the last time I ever got mislimmed

Like 3~4 years ago?

[Hugir]

Last time I was ever a game-costing mislim was way back in 2013~2014 in meme mafia micro

So it would be like 9 or 10 years ago
It’s a game and all but damn this stings

[Hugir]

Town anti-redirector with town redirector fucking lol

[Hugir]

Ok I’m done with my 5 states of grief

I’m gonna just place my vote on that-one-scum-that-everyone-scumreads-and-yet-not-a-single-vote-on-him as my final will

VOTE: The Keeper

[Hugir]

mb on misgendering

With that said, you need the miller “resolved” when today is basically the ELo?

[Hugir]

This is me not hammering

Although idk if it matters in multiball

[Hugir]

If we assume 9:2:2 setup, today is most likely 6:1:2.
If we mislim (5:1:2) and Enchant is telling the truth about the lover, then dying lover makes the game 3:1:2 which town can no longer win, and that’s with assuming benediction can’t kill.

And yet here you are going “miller needs to be flipped”
Like not even scumreading the miller

With that said, I really wonder if Ab is really scum here. None of the teams I thought up sat right with me (e.g. Feysal green, AD/Keeper red), and that actually hella boggled my mind. I still townread Abnegation, but teams don’t make sense to me if I don’t include her in the pool. I went all “ShowerThoughts” and “reads over mech” and all, but maybe being locked into that and refuse to believe otherwise is why I kept being confused the whole time. Although I kinda take proud on my ability to find town, maybe this time my read was simply wrong. Like if I hammer and Ab flips town, ironically I’d be the one who costs the game with a hammer albeit with a chance of salvage. But this is a game after all, and sometimes, I just gotta yolo.

Sorry if you flip town Ab.

VOTE: Abnegation

[Hugir]

Checking out for tonight, I’ll check the flip tomorrow

[Hugir]

automatically is assuming furt is town.

I really don’t see scum getting a loverizer, as much as I’d like to choke him

[Hugir]

Fuck is it really Feysal the flyer arsonist

[Hugir]

Can I even redirect arsonist

[Hugir]

The sun once again rose above the clouds as Narration muttered to himself.
Last night was another odd one.
IceDragon, who had always rallied the morale of all, had been found without life.

IceDragon70,

Ambition

, was deleted.

Spoiler: Ambition

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Ambition

!

Role Abilities:

• Ambition (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Ambition
  , every Night, you may attempt to prevent another target from getting redirected.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

I guess benediction can’t really kill after all.

[Hugir]

Also I received the flyer.
I redirected ActionDan to ActionDan. So at the least he didn’t make the kill.

[Hugir]

I hope he checked me

[Hugir]

I’m starting to have this forbidden thoughts

[Hugir]

What if the setup was 10:1:2 and benediction got wiped out D1

If Feysal was a flyer arsonist they would’ve ignited last night I feel like

[Hugir]

Also ngl that ID death should really confirm me as town. There is 0 reason to not go for the lovers with me in the scum team

[Hugir]

Well uh.

I targeted ActionDan, not same alignment.


Hold up while i ask if i know about redirections or not. Cuz i dunno.

Why did you not check me??????????????

[Hugir]

VOTE: AD

not that I'm complaining

[Hugir]

Also I redirected AD to AD. AD confirmed that I visited him.

[Hugir]

I counted for a bit.

Regardless of what team AD is, even if town somehow, we are screwed due mafia just doublekilling me+furtive, turning this in parity.

I fucking hate lovers.

If AD is redscum, I have one last shot tonight to save this town.
If AD is greenscum, I also have one last shot but it's going to be much much harder.

[Hugir]

Had y'all limmed me yesterday we wouldn't have even had this day.

[Hugir]

Keeper did confirm over the night they did receive the flyer Night 1, and thought they said it somewhere

Can you summarize what they said in the hood over the course of the game?

Me

[Hugir]

So not much else. We didn’t even get to Page 2.

That’s actually kinda depressing

[Hugir]

Well AD confirmed my visit on him.

So even if I lied about redirecting AD to AD and targeted you, then either I redirected AD to you (doesn’t change your result) or I redirected you to AD (who you targeted anyway)

[Hugir]

lol

I hate to break it to you AD but I’m still town.

[Hugir]

Although if I was in your position, AD, I would’ve claimed benediction there and force things through

[Hugir]

Also if both factions have nightkill where are all the kills???

[Hugir]

I’m gonna ask for fast night tonight so please do the same y’all

[Hugir]

I have one shot to save the town.
Wish me luck y’all.

[Hugir]

I'm awaiting S_S to check some action resolution for me. Daystart will probably happen soon.

Note to self: Never put more than one source of redirection in the same game

[Hugir]

Our team used it N1 on Keeper

If you feel like answering, why did you cop Keeper? Rauth specifically said he scumread them as a benediction.

[Hugir]

The only questions I will willingly answer will be clarifications on why Hugir is green scum. Thus, Higir you may not want to ask questions

You’re no fun.

[Hugir]

This shouldn’t endanger your partner’s position.

AD, Did you actually think Abnegation was green scum?

[Hugir]

Thank you for your answer.

You know I was gonna have hebi write this claim post to be as hilarious as possible, after Enchant inevitably announces the result on me. But I don't think anything could've topped Enchant checking you over me in hilarity so I told her to not write it to not embarrass herself.

Yes, I have the green role PM. Therefore, I must be town, right? Unfortunately, because I'm a very good scumhunter, I must regrettably say that I already know your scum partner, sir ActionDan. No scum cop ability involved most certainly. Why would I have that ability as town? You may take this word with a grain of salt, of course.

Unlike that certain ActionDan over there, you may ask me anything, including ActionDan himself, because I'm nice. Having no mason buddy to hide kinda helps too, but it's mostly because I'm nice.

With that said though, scum

can

crosskill each other. It's just that when targeting scum it just becomes poison (announcing, actually). That's what my mason buddy Rauth meant by "our goal is to not kill each other, although that's what will be the end result."

[Hugir]

I have a game maybe if draw not possible. Do your best to kill whoever the remainder of town thinks my partner is. Let them vote in thread. Most votes buys your kill .

We could go 10 years back and settle with a rap battle too.

me

[Hugir]

I’m vigging Enchant for calling policy on me.
That was very rude.

[Hugir]

K, fuck it. I’m Green Scum. I’m shooting Enchant.

I rescind my claim

[Hugir]

Multiball and Redirects, gotta love it

idk I prefer this over 3 redirectors, a deathproof, and two poisoners

[Hugir]

That is interesting.
That is reeeeeereeally interesting.

I was gonna redirect The Keeper to The Keeper but in the end I wasn’t sure if AD would lie about lolcopping the keeper to keep them off the redscum suspect list, so instead I redirected Feysal to Feysal. And yet flyer was delivered.

Clearly I was memeing about it yesterday. AD faked a guilty on me because he was the deflector (that explains why there was town redirector and town anti-redirector). Prob because he needed me dead now that his team won’t be able to stop me but was too afraid of actually offing me because I’ve been using my redirection purely on purpose to make scum self-kill. I was hoping following it along and posturing would make AD slip up about his scumbuddy somehow.

[Hugir]

So either Feysal is more than what they’re claiming to be or someone is not telling the whole truth about their role.

[Hugir]

Our kills only work on town not on each other.

With that said though, scum can crosskill each other. It's just that when targeting scum it just becomes poison (announcing, actually).

Any announcing poison and deal goes awry?

I intentionally came up with something wild bullshit about crosskill to crumb about my memeing.
AD bought it despite claiming that scum can't kill each other (which was probably truthclaiming) and went on all about scumteam being symmetrical and whatnot.
Like I really should be cleared town here.

[Hugir]

Like if he really believed that scum would be symmetrical in nature and thus I’m confirmed green scum, why would he buy my claim that green scum poisons red scum when red scum can’t kill green scum?

He was lying.

[Hugir]

Hmm. I have a spicy theory.

[Hugir]

Spicy Theory 1 - One of the scum faction has been eliminated already.

One or two nights of missing kill is one thing, but we've been consistently seeing only one kill for the entire game. ActionDan was acting like he had a partner, so red side isn't probably fully eliminated. Perhaps the greenscum has been eliminated at D1? Checker kinda looks like a really bad role to be solo scum, but we don't actually know what green scum had for the factional ability. Red scum had some way of showing that The Keeper wasn't greenscum. That ability didn't flip. Would it be actually possible that the greenscum had some sort of scary factional ability that warranted being solo scum as checker?

[Hugir]

Spicy Theory 2 - Furtive is green scum.

I know for sure my action has been tempered. Either Feysal is strongwilled something that sends out a flyer (that we may or may not know what it would do), or somebody roleblocked me. Before you say "Oooh Hugir is roleblocked scum so only one kill N4," gentle reminder that the nightkills have been missing ever since N1 and I redirected furtive to furtive N1. Redirection takes precedence over roleblock so I would've been able to make a kill N1. I think captivation makes sense for roleblock as well. But why green not red? I fully believe that red scum is scared of me, to the point where AD claimed a fake guilty on me with some scum cop ability. I don't think furtive really worried about being redirected because he can just roleblock me. I think what actually happened last night is that redscum skipped kill because they were afraid of me and green scum killed Enchant because Enchant told furtive in lovers PT that he's gonna check him or something. I initially hardtown'd him because I didn't think lover would fit the scum role. But if it's 1-sided lover, that actually changes everything, and I don't think 1-shot loverizer roleblocker is such implausible.

[Hugir]

And yes I am indeed assuming that scum has multitasking. They have unknown factional ability or multiple. Games like that tend to give scum multitasking built-in.

[Hugir]

Hmm actually everything clicks if Furtive is green scum. N1 missing kill could be because my action ended up roleblocking furtive. N2 was either both scum targeting same target or green-Aisa red-abnegation or something. N3 and N4 red scum skipped kill because they’re afraid of me.

[Hugir]

Hmm actually everything clicks if Furtive is green scum. N1 missing kill could be because my action ended up roleblocking furtive.

You just said you redirected me to me. So I would have killed myself in that case.

Roleblock resolves before kill.

[Hugir]

With that said, if furtive is green scum then red scum is prob The Keeper. If red scum is afraid of my redirect enough to skip 2 kills I can see them trying to half-clear The Keeper in attempt to keep them on more cleared side. Half clear is more clear than no clear at D2 after all.

[Hugir]

With that said the missing nightkills make sense if greenscum got wiped D1 as well. So I’m gonna take my time deciding which one is more plausible.

With that said, someone definitely lied about their role.

[Hugir]

With that said, that is a lot of with that said.

[Hugir]

Hmm actually everything clicks if Furtive is green scum. N1 missing kill could be because my action ended up roleblocking furtive. N2 was either both scum targeting same target or green-Aisa red-abnegation or something. N3 and N4 red scum skipped kill because they’re afraid of me.

Or redscum got blocked N3. But I’d like to think they just skipped kill for being afraid of me because I like it that way.

[Hugir]

Hmm actually everything clicks if Furtive is green scum. N1 missing kill could be because my action ended up roleblocking furtive.

You just said you redirected me to me. So I would have killed myself in that case.

Roleblock resolves before kill.

So you've decided I'm a scum Lover/Roleblocker who also did the kill

If you’re greenscum yes. After D1 you would’ve been alone assuming 9:2:2, so you doing roleblock and kill isn’t that far fetched of an idea. One sided lover and full lover are two very different role. Literally the only reason I’ve been townreading you was because you were claiming full lover. One sided lover, especially when scum can’t cross kill, is an alignment neutral role.

[Hugir]

Also like

At this point I reeeeeeeally should be confirmed town to y’all by now, and that y’all still have me in the pool is depressing

AD cleared me from being redscum (thanks AD) and there was literally nothing preventing me from killing someone N1. Like I really should be mech cleared by now.

[Hugir]

I don’t think he was lying about thinking me as green scum. If you’re looking for motivation for AD lying about getting a scum cop guilty on me, think for like 3 seconds and you’ll find plenty, like lining of lims in case things go wrong.

[Hugir]

Like “this guy is prob green scum anyway but let’s guilty him anyway so he gets all the flak”

[Hugir]

Also at this point I think I can safely say that “Feysal-arsonist” theory can safely go into garbage can.

Feysal could’ve endgamed with TKeeper/Me having a flyer.

I guess unless they thought they tagged scum or something

[Hugir]

What is your opinion about my spicy theories

[Hugir]

I haven’t made my mind on them yet either.
I’m leaning on #2 just because how everything that happened just clicks for me, but I haven’t done analyzing few things yet and I have plenty of time.

Like I’m still wondering why AD went down without a fight, and why he called me outed scum and kept asking for draw when if he actually wanted a draw it would’ve been more beneficial to not do so.

[Hugir]

Actually the reason he kept calling for draw was because I told him that I already know his scumbuddy lol

[Hugir]

Eh he prob self hammered just for the sake of cutting discussion.

[Hugir]

Next in line: jumping into the giant pool of wifom that is “AD cleared The Keeper from being greenscum”

[Hugir]

Roleblock could be factional. Factional roleblock + checker might sound odd at first, but if roleblock is factional ability checker’s real purpose would be if their factional roleblock got tempered or if anyone other than them has a source of roleblock.

Also you’re the only person in this game that claimed 1-shot. Some claims were technically 1-shots as well, but they were technically 1-shots, not hard 1-shots. With mod redirection in play, we don’t even have confirmation that you are actually a 1-way lover.

[Hugir]

Another day, and this rollercoaster just won't stop.

I see Flavor Leaf got my flyer. I confirm that I did send it to him. If Hugir redirected me back to myself, I don't know how that is possible. If I am strong-willed, that is news to me, since my role PM does not say so.

I think we need to aim for Red Scum today then. If Hugir is suspected Green, we go for Red today, because if we miss, Red essentially has to kill off Green or risk getting killed off.

I don't think it matters which faction we go for today. We simply must execute scum, any scum. We only have five people left who can vote, including two scum, so we cannot afford any more town executions. Both role PMs of flipped scum referred to partners, with the names of the partners redacted. So, both scum remain active.

Yesterday I thought the remaining scum would be the Keeper and Flavor Leaf, but I did not think it would matter. I expected we would lose both Furtive and Enchant, and we would not have the numbers to get them both. All that would remain for us was to decide who we wanted to be endgamed by, or pray for scum to cross kill. But now, we still have some hope.

I don't think we should dismiss everything ActionDan said as lies and WIFOM. Malediction can't kill Hugir, or anyone else really, for fear of having their kill reflected back at them - I think that much is true. So, they really need Hugir executed. Question is, was he bluffing, or did he truly believe Hugir was scum?

I'm thinking over the scenarios here. ActionDan should have expected both lovers to die. There would only have been two town and one scum from each faction left. Town could only have voted for no execution, so what ActionDan said would have made no difference.

The only scenario where his words matter at all is the one we are in, where at least five players remain alive. Only way he could have expected that was if Furtive was his partner, otherwise he would have had to hope for a miracle. But even then, getting town Hugir executed would have helped very little. His partner would still have gotten in a shootout with rival scum.

ActionDan may have hoped for scum Hugir to be executed, which would leave his partner in endgame with two town players. To me, that sounds like the best hope he would have to win.

Something that also stands out to me in Hugir's scum claim is that scum could poison each other. If that was a lie, that should have tipped ActionDan off that the claim was fake and Hugir did not know his partner. But he entertained that claim, took it seriously enough to suggest a draw.

I think what got him to suggest a draw is the fact that I claimed that I knew his partner

[Hugir]

Or maybe that he didn’t actually know what scum would do if they cross each other. Rauth seemed to not know either.

[Hugir]

It's baffling that my role doesn't make sense as a scum one, and these people are just chucking everything out the window to decide that I'm a scum roleblocker, when I should be soft clear for not doing the nightkill N1 or I would have died.

Make it make sense

If you are multitasking scum (very plausible with confirmed special factional abilities + one scum being left in team) who chose to roleblock A and kill B, and I redirect you to you, then you would roleblock and kill yourself. Since you were roleblocked kill wouldn’t go through.

[Hugir]

Also ngl I knew I was gonna have all the thrill all over me once I claim. Redirector is actually a very spicy role when they’re not in a setup with multiple of them, a bus driver, and two poisoners after all.

[Hugir]

Like it’s not even a mental gymnastic. It’s just a simple deduction. Who and what role would prevent me from redirecting Feysal to self?

[Hugir]

Like yes.
I went all crazy about FL-nexus-lying in Demon Slayer.
But that was with unfinished claims.
I really don’t think I’m repeating the same thing here.

[Hugir]

VOTE: Hugir

But why?

this is not a partnery interaction between keeper/AD imo. Could it be AD defending Hugir?

Ahhh...could AD-Hugir stuff be Red Scum distancing?

If I was scum with AD bussing, I fully deserve a Kodak moment nom for D4.

[Hugir]

Like it’s not even a mental gymnastic. It’s just a simple deduction. Who and what role would prevent me from redirecting Feysal to self?

Right, but you've started from me being scum and made it make sense somehow, instead of looking at the most likely scenario and then going from there.

Actually I did my thing correctly this time.

1. My action was prevented. What’s going on?
1a. Feysal is strongwilled and lying.
1b. Someone interfered.
- I chose 1b.

2. What role was most likely to stop me?
- I chose “Roleblocker”

3. Which faction is more likely to roleblock me?
- I chose “Green scum.” Red scum were clearly afraid of me.

3. From The Keeper, Flavor Leaf, and furtiveglance, who is more likely to be roleblocker?
- I chose furtive.

After that was me scenario-checking to see if there were any scenario that proves otherwise.

[Hugir]

Green Scum had no reason to kill Enchant. They were no longer a threat. The double kill possibility? Sure, but I don't buy it because Red NEEDED to kill Enchant, so Green had a pass to go elsewhere.

So it's either switching kills or blocked.

Once I get to work, I'll find some time to do some VCA/Theory Spec.


@Hugir - If you're scum, you're doing well simply because tone wise, I believe you. My issue is I just don't see Keeper or Feysal as scum here ever. They seem genuine, and ActionDan-Keeper interactions looking back is funny.

So this is what ultimately makes me think The Keeper is scum. Ever since I saw Rauth openly scumreading them and magically there was a half-clear result on them, I kept being awry on them. And then during D3, they were those one read that everyone scumreads and yet no one would vote them. But that could’ve been due to their V/LA. The last straw for me was, however, was that The Keeper’s reason to want to lim Abnegation was plain awful. Their reason was “miller needs to die before ELo.” Like no reads on Abnegation. Just plain “miller needs death.” Out of the Abnegation wagon their opinion of her was most ingenuine one of all. It gave me the “as long as it ain’t me” vibe. (Ngl I had a teeeeeeny bit of that mindset when I hammered Abnegation. But that was because I had a role that could salvage town. And just by my presence, I believe that I stopped two scum kills.)

[Hugir]

To clarify, I was being awry because they got half cleared to be not green scum, after green scum voiced out his suspicion on them.

[Hugir]

Hugir, why am I not an option for you here?

You’re my locktown read.

[Hugir]

I say that but I’ve been actually looking back and forth. I still don’t see you as scum.

[Hugir]

Here’s my thing, why does Enchant die in a Green Scum Roleblocking world?

Because Enchant will know that they’ve been blocked? Introducing a variable is something green roleblocker wouldn’t want to do. I also think they didn’t expect me to redirect Feysal, my claimed townread.

[Hugir]

Hugir, why am I not an option for you here?

You’re my locktown read.

If you end up being scum after mindmelding on Abnegation in D3, I’m going to be fucking devastated.

[Hugir]

Actually what’s gonna happen is perpetual MeLo because scum won’t kill. But I’m prob gonna end up voting furt because roleblocker is a threat over a neighbor

[Hugir]

You’re missing a presence of roleblocker that interfered with my redirect btw.

Even if I was scum here I wouldn’t lie about my being-tempered result because I would

have

to lim other scum today to have a chance at winning.

[Hugir]

Then who roleblocked me?
Because lying about my action here is against my internet of winning regardless of my alignment.

[Hugir]

Do you think the keeper is a roleblocker?
Redscum had factional half cop thing. If there is roleblocker and the keeper is redscum they ain’t roleblocker.

[Hugir]

See what I mean here
This is why I can’t be anything but town in this game.

Ever since I claimed redirector I’ve been constantly under fire just for being the redirector. I knew this was gonna happen. What I also knew was that I’m town and things will start to not make sense for me to be scum.

“Redirector has to be scum because ID is anti-redirect” -> Redscum had a deflector. ID role was a counter for that and I was the false positive.

“Redirector has to be scum because scum role symmetry” -> red has factional cop and green has factional roleblock. Proven to be not symmetry also when AD considered the thought of poison crosskill by green when he himself said scum can’t kill each other.

“Redirector is a scum role” -> It is a common knowledge that redirector is scummy as fuck. Hell, even AD fakeclaimed voyeur and he was the worse redirector. As scum why would I claim truthfully, especially when I was the last to claim? I assure you, as scum I would’ve just claimed commuter right then and there and y’all would’ve been none the wiser.

Like literally all the evidence points towards me being town.

[Hugir]

With that said, while I still don’t think I’m wrong, I must ask you this because I simply can’t unsee it.

I think the possibility of Redirect is too dangerous because as scum, if we hit town today, you can just win if you know who other scum is, which i feel is becoming obviously Keeper.

This is the second time where you blindly assumed that scum has to kill, even if it ends up costing them. Why is that?

[Hugir]

@Furtive - Did Enchant know that it was you they were loverized to when they were told they were loverized? Or did they just get informed they were loverized?

I told them, we had a PT. They didn't use it much though, and were pretty miffed about being targeted.

So they didn’t get mod confirmed Loverized? It was strictly because the two of you got put into a Vaccuum?

Callllllllled it

[Hugir]

With mod redirection in play, we don’t even have confirmation that you are actually a 1-way lover.

[Hugir]

And TheKeeper apparently was notified that they were in masonry. (And they’re not in masonry)

[Hugir]

My point back then, and still, is that what stops you from just being a neighborizer

[Hugir]

We had Kawaii, the neighborizer
The Keeper, the “Mason” neighborizer
And now you, the “Lover” neighborizer

[Hugir]

I, too, thought about both scum having investigations. Actually, I was sure about that yesterday. But as the days went by, it just wasn’t as plausible anymore. Abnegation’s role I think was clearly there to mess with the parity cop. Like a straight up cop/miller relationship. I also think that red scum’s “cop check” is a byproduct, not the main effect. I think this because it’s… just weird that red scum would check someone who’ve been accused by green scum. I also fully believe that red scum were too scared of me to make a kill. Combining those two, I feel like the TKeeper cop was a byproduct. In fact, we haven’t seen any public results, even the day when AD accused me of being green scum. If my suspicion is correct, it is most likely something protective, something like rolestop or doctor. Actually if it was a doctor then this would mean AD lied about scum not being able to kill each other, which is interesting.

[Hugir]

This is also why I discarded the idea of you being rolestopped. Because… why would they? And if they did where is the report?

[Hugir]

And yes that is the answer of this:

Next in line: jumping into the giant pool of wifom that is “AD cleared The Keeper from being greenscum”

[Hugir]

I am still going to check the alternative scenarios to make sure I’m not wrong. But I’m really thinking that I’m not wrong here. If anyone else can see flaw of what I’ve been posting so far, please let me know.

[Hugir]

And no, “it’s ridiculous” doesn’t count unless it’s explained with why.

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Anyway, I have thought some more about what I said about ActionDan's claim and motivation, and there is one more explanation, that being that there was no specific motivation. More often than not, I do things without a plan in mind, just hoping for something good to come out of it somehow. I've also been in the position of caught scum before, and chosen to share some information with the town just because. Once I even gave up on my serial killer win condition entirely, thanks to an unplanned partner from hell outing me, and played as if I was a town vigilante. My point is, overanalyzing why ActionDan said what he did could lead us nowhere because there may not be a why.

Hard disagree. He faked the guilty on me and self hammered. That alone shows that he had a motivation to further his win condition.

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Btw is The Keeper talking in the hood @FL