Mini 2297 | Conception | Postgame

[furtiveglance]

This daystart PM stuff looks a bit OGI to me

It’s not OGI if mod confirmed it in thread that Blue didn’t get a daystart PM

No I mean reading alignment into it is a bit OGI because it uses something that shouldn't really be relevant to our reads.

[Rautherdir]

I don't think it's useful in determining Snakelet's role though.

[Hugir]

This daystart PM stuff looks a bit OGI to me

It’s not OGI if mod confirmed it in thread that Blue didn’t get a daystart PM

No I mean reading alignment into it is a bit OGI because it uses something that shouldn't really be relevant to our reads.

Eh you’re allowed to use stuff like those to base your reads. It’s as relevant as using site wide activity level to determine if someone is active lurking. It’s just that you can’t just publicly say those out loud a lot of times because you don’t want to test the lines of the mentioning ongoing games rule.

[Rautherdir]

Alignment, rather.

And to add onto my role being much more useless now that I've claimed it, it might still help for rolestoppers. And it might do things beyond checking without me being aware at this time, though I guess if it does do stuff beyond just checking it probably won't be stuff like a more useful investigative role where I get information from the mod that tells me it's something more...

[Hugir]

With that said if it really comes down to Rau vs Ice for wagon I’m probably choosing Ice.

Rau’s plays look kinda exquisite(?) but if he is good at scum as someone mentioned (I forgot who) I don’t think this kind of stuff is a play he makes as scum period.

[Hugir]

Although yes the jab-and-retreat our IC has mentioned does catch me off guard time to time as well

[Rautherdir]

I mean. I'm going to do a silly and poke a hole in the meta case Feysal made for me being town, but it's been a few years since I played. My ability to play either town or scum has likely not improved any in that time, and my metas for both have likely altered some, though until I complete a few games I won't even know how it's changed or to what degree. I will say I am purposely trying not to be as self-destructive as I tend to be as town though, that... I don't think that was a good element of my town play and shifting away from that would be good. (I say as I'm currently poking a hole in a defense for me being town. And I mean, I've played mafia/werewolf-esque games in the interim so there might not have been too much deterioration, but they were much more mechanically based then forum-hosted mafia.)

Although yes the jab-and-retreat our IC has mentioned does catch me off guard time to time as well

I can explain this as me being too excited about having something I can definitively check to think about whether I

should

actually check it.
Actually thinking about it, I should probably try to catch rolestoppers instead of doing random shots in the dark, so I believe I know who my target should be tonight if I live. My role isn't really one like a vig where I should let town control the shot, since assuming checker and my placement is to catch rolestoppers, then... I shouldn't have public targets I don't think. Or maybe I do some WIFOM play with public targets, who knows. (And if my goal is to attract roleblockers then uh... welp, a bit too late for that. I probably could have done a gambit with hinting investigative if that was my goal, though I didn't even realize I was investigative at the start of the game so.)

[Hell Froze Over]

I didn't even realize I was investigative at the start of the game so.

Not really related to the game, but fun fact, in normals, for roles that care about action type (like voyeurs and such), checker is actually not *-investigative; it counts as a miscellaneous role

~b

[Hugir]

Replacing KawaiiKame

If they come back before a replacement is found, they may keep the slot.

@Mod: Are we getting a deadline extension for this?

[Feysal]

Eh you're allowed to use stuff like those to base your reads. It's as relevant as using site wide activity level to determine if someone is active lurking. It's just that you can't publicly say those out loud a lot of times because you don't want to test the lines of the mentioning ongoing games rule.

I actually checked whether this rule had changed, and found out the exception allowing talking about activity was removed last year. You can still use ongoing games to base your reads on, but you can't talk about any of it. I wanted to know if I could use that to talk about Goldfish and KawaiiKame, and it did not even matter, since I found nothing.

I mean. I'm going to do a silly and poke a hole in the meta case Feysal made for me being town, but it's been a few years since I played. My ability to play either town or scum has likely not improved any in that time, and my metas for both have likely altered some, though until I complete a few games I won't even know how it's changed or to what degree.

I'm aware and I understand. Like I said, we're in the same boat, only it's been even longer for me. I don't think people change that much that quickly though, and I believe being good at playing scum is more about having the right personality for it than skills.

Actually thinking about it, I should probably try to catch rolestoppers instead of doing random shots in the dark, so I believe I know who my target should be tonight if I live.

I think you are underestimating the potential of your role. I can easily think of half a dozen roles that you could provide direct or indirect evidence of. I would recommend you pick someone you think is likely to be nightkilled, and don't tell who in advance.

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I'm starting to get the impression that Rautherdir is posting his unfiltered thoughts, without stopping to think things through, and stumbled into contradictory stances.

UNVOTE: Rautherdir
VOTE: IceDragon70

I don't have much on IceDragon, for or against him, but time is running out and we need to pick someone.

ActionDan, Rautherdir, Abnegation, furtiveglance and me, that is two votes short of an execution. I hope he will be back from his V/LA soon to respond.

[Hell Froze Over]

Fine.
VOTE: Dragon, E-1

[Enchant]

Fine.
VOTE: Dragon, E-1

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Enchant]

Cmon Dragon entertain me with claim.

[Feysal]

He said he was on V/LA until Wednesday, so we may have to wait. That seriously blows.

[biancospino]

He said he was on V/LA until Wednesday, so we may have to wait. That seriously blows.

Thou luckily Wednesday is almost over

[Hell Froze Over]

He said he was on V/LA until Wednesday, so we may have to wait. That seriously blows.

Thou luckily Wednesday is almost over

Mphmf

[Narration]

Replacing Goldfish

If they come back before a replacement is found, they may keep the slot.

[Narration]

@Mod: Are we getting a deadline extension for this?

Yes. If a replacement is found.

[furtiveglance]

Replacing Goldfish

[Narration]

Replacing Goldfish

If they come back before a replacement is found, they may keep the slot.

Actually, I just realised they still have a minute before 24 hours has passed since I sent their prod.

[Abnegation]

NOOOOOOO GOLDIE COME BACK TO US!

[Hell Froze Over]

Yeah, if you're really a checker, on the contrary targeting us is just about the most completely useless thing you can do.

Your role is also a fuckton more useless now that you've claimed it since now you aren't getting roleblocked unless hell blazes up again, so you are so concerned about being useful, you shouldn't have claimed unprompted but I digress.

Also, while even mention that you have to consider checking us, if you then yourself says that it's a bad idea and aren't gonna do it? That's the same shit again like with the benediction thing, you put forth an hypotesis and then, as soon as you're poked a little, you retcon it away

^ffs, I had to slip at some point
~b

I expect this out of this head, not yours....do better lol.

I support the Ice wagon, though kinda do prefer Rauth, but definitely won't fight it.

And am disappointed that Keeper hasn't posted today from what I see

-Drew

[Narration]

Day 1 Count IV

IceDragon70 (

E-1

) - ActionDan, Rautherdir, Abnegation, furtiveglance, Feysal,

Hell Froze Over

Rautherdir (1) - Enchant
Hugir (1) - The Keeper

Not Voting

- IceDragon70, BlueSnakelet, GoldfishFromTheMoon, Hugir, KawaiiKame

Notes

• With 13 remaining, it takes 7 to form a majority.
  
• Mod ISO is here.
  
• Tell me if any mistakes exist or questions missed.
  
• I am V/LA until Good Friday.
  
• Replacing Kawaii and Goldfish.
  
• Hell Froze Over is a disciple of
  Invocation

  .

Day 1

concludes in (expired on 2023-04-07 17:55:00)

[IceDragon70]

Ice can you specifically tell me what made my iso worse than Keeper's at the time?

Hi I've been away, only come back now.
To answer your question: I didn't actually look at Keeper's ISO - I think I had either missed them or otherwise had had a light town read on them. Right now however they are null and scum by default.

[IceDragon70]

Don’t like any of the current wagons?

I don't either tbh
I'm gonna finish catching up but if I don't see a wagon I like I'll have tonvote goldfish as well.