Mini Theme 2318: Cook's Kitchen Sink [Game Over]

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Let’s vote cook

See you in 36 hours

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Let’s vote cook

See you in 36 hours

Cook is Jester, bad play my man.

All i saw is that counts as game progressing content

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I’m town by the way, so I’m legit gonna troll all game

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I believe I’ve played with every player in this game.

I can’t remember Vanderscamp what game played, so i might not have, but i feel like i have

Yeah

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I’m town by the way, so I’m legit gonna troll all game

I will check the files Cook has on you.

But ya, I will have the shit posting on lock as well.

Quit crumbing

You’re gonna get yourself killed

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Now shush we the same role

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Scum didn't figure out the obvious crumbs last game, so gotta give them a fighting chance here

I was so right about there being something off with both the claim, and the fact of why would you need to be informed of a traitor as a traitor finder

Why oh why Geraint did you hold that you were also informed

You know how much agony I would have been saved.

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It was a good game, though.

So tell me why Looker is scum here

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Inb4 Scum Gamma used me being on the bottom of the playerlist to warrant the RVS vote

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I believe I’ve played with every player in this game.

I can’t remember Vanderscamp what game played, so i might not have, but i feel like i have

Yeah

I don't remember!
Possible we haven't played, but I feel like I've known you my whole life.

My first account is Boonskiies, so been around since 2014.

I’m sure we’ve played, at least one or two, i just don’t know which specific games. Would be wild if we haven’t but recognized names.

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I stay up late cuz big insomnia, can i stay

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I’m active lurking

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Actually, this. I'm an alcoholic.

That was fast

VOTE: Celebloki

It was supposed to! Fixing.

Apparently FL still doesn't exist as a voter, or in this case a not voter.

Maybe FL can't vote

Put someone to E-1 and let’s find out

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Damn i was gonna hammer at e-1

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If I am to go I will like to say kitty is confirmed town

Know I do this out of love. Of honey.

Did somebody say E-1?

VOTE: Whemestar

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Thanks for the protect

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I standby Looker is scum.

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Why

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hey gang
have things to do so can't stop by for long
seeing as no one got shot i thought it would be good to let you know I've been vannilaised
I was a novice inventor

Good Vanillaize if scum. Bad if town did it.

Vanillaize me next scum.

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Oh, Kitty’s scum too.

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VOTE: Kitty

I’m actually this confident.

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Way too early solve is Yessiree, Looker, and Kitty.

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Flavor leading wagon gives me a deja vu

Noth1ng.

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I’m okay if this goes through. Someone hammer.

Kitty is in their scum meta, and yessiree is bussing.

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I’m cool waiting.

Just nobody else claim anything.

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Also, I’m trying this low energy style, and somehow it seems to get people to follow so much more.

Naerys said I was leading, but really, I just walked down a street, people saw, and wanted to come down and see the sights too.

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I like Roden for now.

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I can see the world where they are scum, but I’m not feeling it.

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I can see the world where they are scum, but I’m not feeling it.

I agree with your solve so far, but....

Why like Roden?

Roden’s better at positioning than they’re doing here as scum.

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In Blood Utopia, i had Roden as objectively scum when they made a specific action in the way they tried to pivot the game, and then they were able to turn me into town reading them when I called them out with solid logic.

And by the time of my death, I had every single scum called out as scum EXCEPT for Roden slot even after Hu Tao replaced in.

In DragonEater’s game, Hu Tao even said specifically that I mainly town read Hu Tao because of Roden as well.

So I don’t see low effort lol wagoning as scum Roden, especially after they had some stank with the Drew comments Day 1.

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Also, Drew, you hadn’t mentioned soul read on Kitty, so that was kind of a weird comment.

If anything, the soul read was myself followed by Roden on Kitty.

I almost thought Roden’s soul read comment was referring to me even.

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Kitty is an actor trying hard to act when they’re scum, and their posts reek of it.

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I didn’t expect to get sheeped so hard on Kitty, but I do expect scum hopped on, especially if Kitty is scum.

And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

Town RN is aggressive.

Scum RN is passive or fake aggression.

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I agree with that to an extent.

I get the Roden reads, I think it’s solid.

I’m just in a situation where I can just see that Kitty is scum here.

I read Kitty as scum almost every time they are scum.

I like the energy against the Kitty wagon too.

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I’m open to being wrong, of course, I don’t have a good case on Kitty. I didn’t expect to get sheeped that much, frankly.

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Scum RN is passive or fake aggression.

ok show me where RN is passive or fake aggression this game

They didn’t show up means passive.

I’m okay being wrong with this slot too.

I’m just putting it out there. I’d use more reasons and engage with you further when I’m ready to push you.

I’m just getting my reads out there because y’all gonna night kill me again

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Your vote specifically on Kitty is also scummy, even if Kitty ended up being town.

But I think your vote looks like a classic bus, and exactly how scum in your scenario would join the wagon of.

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The thing is RN also seems to have site flaked

That’s fair.

I still standby the sentiment while also not going to actively use it to case someone.

If it came down to it in the end, it would affect my gut, and i feel that’s important for me to state.

I also scum read Yessiree individually.

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Why are you worried about engaging it?

I’m not pushing you directly, I’m just giving my thoughts and vibe and how my energy is in relation to your slot.

If I die, that’s something there. I had been playing a very low energy no read game, which is different than I normally do.

You seem a little too preoccupied about that specifically, when I actively gave other reasons for specifically scum reading your slot separately, like your vote on Kitty and the way it appears like scum joining a wagon.

Again, open for being wrong, but that’s where my thoughts are.


I feel the push of me being ‘random’ and ‘spontaneous’ don’t really apply at all to how I’m playing here.

I don’t agree that I am random or spontaneous, but i get how i can appear that way sometimes.

Idk if it lines up here.

I think my thought process here makes sense, even if you don’t agree with it/know it’s wrong based on knowing what you are.

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Push was the wrong word, i guess. I didn’t think you were pushing.

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I didn’t expect to get sheeped so hard on Kitty, but I do expect scum hopped on, especially if Kitty is scum.

And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

Town RN is aggressive.

Scum RN is passive or fake aggression.

Like you shift from talking about kitty to talking about RN, who yessiree replaced, with NO segue. This whiplash could cause lasting neck injuries.

That’s fair if people forget who replaced in, which makes sense.

I was going over my multiple scum reads is all.

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Gonna do a 1-2-3 thing

Nothing is set in stone. Middle isn’t null, just 2. 1 is generally good vibes, 2 is like not bad vibes, but if a few things go one way or another could go either way. 3 is I’m suspicious of and would like to engage in and find more out about to see if they should leave it or not

Elements
Naerys
Celebloki
Roden
Vanderscamp

ActionDan
Gamma Emerald
Doctor Drew

KittyTacky
yessiree
Looker

I will say, all 3 of Tier 2 I instinctively want to bring up to Tier 1, but something holds me back from it. I don’t really expect my Tier 3 to be the entire scum team, could be 1 from each, but I’m feeling kinda good about my tier 3 right now

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You seem a little too preoccupied about that specifically, when I actively gave other reasons for specifically scum reading your slot separately, like your vote on Kitty and the way it appears like scum joining a wagon.

well initially when i was making a note of your read on RN, you didn't say you were scumreading my individually as well, you said that in my pedit i think

since you think I'm scum bussing kitty, I don't think it's unreasonable to see I could have thought that that was an extension from ur earlier meta read on RN

Oh i know what you thought

There’s nothing wrong with your play, just think it’s scummy.

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Looker Sus.

3 of the people who voted with me are my middle tier

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Maybe it isn't Kitty

Nah it is, but it’s also yessiree

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VOTE: Yesiree

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This tracks with Kitty likely being scarred by my gambit in the Micro I was scum a little while back.

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And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

RN didnt even confirm his role. This looks more like bad IRL stuff than rolling as scum. Flavor, this was a BAD post from you.

I’ll believe it when i see it

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Also, nothing is bad. Get out of that toxic mindset.

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I also said I specifically wouldn’t use that as a reason, so anyone who keeps bringing it up, is the one who is using it and trying to keep that alive.

It’s simply a ‘if you’re in Elo and yessiree slot alive lean’

Anyone who uses it further than that is keeping it alive

So it is now Naerys’s

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Not the best post by you Naerys to keep using that
, probs should move on from that. Nobody gonna take that seriously

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I don't understand why we're moving from the kitty wagon, I don't find anything they've said recently towny.

I also think Naerys' posts today are very bad.
If we're moving wagons I would rather go there.

I think it’s a mix of AtE/meta, where I personally haven’t ever seen Kitty fight like that to stay alive, as either alignment.

When they’re caught, and pressured that hard, they normally come in awkward and still go down, where here, I think they made a connection to some people, and AtE was in fact pretty strong.

But I understand why some wouldn’t buy it, it just felt like others needed more to end up limming Kitty, and if Kitty is scum, they did enough to avoid getting the required votes on them.

I will say, though, if Kitty is town, scum moving off of Kitty after Kitty claimed VT is highly likely.

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FL feels very different to 245

When does Flavor seem similar from game to game?

Can I answer?

When I want you to think I seem similar.

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Naerys i think is town who wants me to be scum, and is trying to find something

But alas, i am town taking it easy this game.

I also shoot out honey everywhere.

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Naerys i think is town who wants me to be scum, and is trying to find something

Where did i ever said i think you are scum?

It’s not what you think

It’s what your soul wants even if it doesn’t know it yet

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@Looker - can you link your most current town game?

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Naerys i think is town who wants me to be scum, and is trying to find something

But alas, i am town taking it easy this game.

I also shoot out honey everywhere.

Like this Naerys read screams guilty conscience. Hid objective is to pre-emptively neutralize a scum read he expects to occur by suggesting Naerys is fishing for reasons.

they are.

they got hard flavor fever on top of already shading me in every game, imma neutralize that immediately, full stop. lol

but if you think i have a guilty conscience about it....got news for ya, im proud of it

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I want y'all to remember a time where i'm scum where i fail a vibe check.

then go and try to remember times when im town and fail a vibe check.

i think it speaks for itself what i am this day phase and how little im caring about my overall world view this game.

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I kinda do but I feel like I also saw vaguely similar stuff in Mafia Have A Cop

you hate how much you know this is town me lol

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Also because I do not care, and if scum want to vanillaize me, go for it, my role can be solid, but not the best.

I'm a Reporter. I targeted Naerys Night 1, and they didnt have an action.

I'm locking myself into a Reporter claim.

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Flavor leading wagon gives me a deja vu

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in case i died, which i was feeling too townie at this time.

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ive also been keeping a notes PT this game to go with my would be low energy, and my thought processes behind doing certain things, but low energy doesnt look like the right play.

I was going to fake a town read on Drew in a little bit, then target them tonight, but dont wanna do that anymore.


You wanna know something else. I had a troll low energy day in Demon Slayer, and Day 2, guess who ended up pushing me. ScumDrew.

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Gamma is town, most of their reads and pushes are fair, and it's alright to be wrong, and in fact, probably should take some shots to allow yourself to be wrong to figure the game out at this point in time, and while I think Vanders is town, there's something about Vander I don't trust. I don't know how I feel about that in more depth right now, but I've felt that way about Vander slot whole game. So I am worried about a potential pocket.

But yeah, if there's scum on Kitty, it was Yess or Drew.

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I feel like Drew smelled my suspicion of him even though i was keeping it quiet.

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I had a bad feeling about that wagon.

Will re-skim and update my list in a bit.

Likely more than 1 scum on that wagon actually.

Like, does seem like someone with a town mindset makes this post?

This is what I, and I assume Roden, were talking about with a soul read.

Also claiming VT before E-1 seems a bit odd for town to do imo.

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I had a bad feeling about that wagon.

Will re-skim and update my list in a bit.

Likely more than 1 scum on that wagon actually.

Like, does seem like someone with a town mindset makes this post?

This is what I, and I assume Roden, were talking about with a soul read.

Also claiming VT before E-1 seems a bit odd for town to do imo.

Drew said this, but the only other comment about soul read was Drew saying "why is soul read so bad?" and it just felt like they were trying to piggy back and align themselves with Roden. It was just kind of odd.

I also talked about earlier how I think the people to move off of Kitty after claiming VT was likelier to be sketchy, I was referring to Drew.

Spoiler:

I had a bad feeling about that wagon.

Will re-skim and update my list in a bit.

Likely more than 1 scum on that wagon actually.

Like, does seem like someone with a town mindset makes this post?

This is what I, and I assume Roden, were talking about with a soul read.

Also claiming VT before E-1 seems a bit odd for town to do imo.

I think I can afford you a little trust. As a treat.

I like treats.

Also since I do trust your reads are pure.

I will sheep you on Roden

VOTE: Roden

This line of posts doesn't add up. They further talked about how Kitty didn't seem townie, but then joined on Roden.


It especially doesn't look good after Kitty's line of posts. Roden's reasoning, while weak to AtE, feels genuine, and at the end of the day, I wasn't there quite yet when they said that, but I am now, and I do feel Kitty is town.

I feel the Kitty wagon was incredibly successful in furthering a Kitty read, and getting info on who joined up.

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ive also been keeping a notes PT this game to go with my would be low energy, and my thought processes behind doing certain things, but low energy doesnt look like the right play.

I was going to fake a town read on Drew in a little bit, then target them tonight, but dont wanna do that anymore.


You wanna know something else. I had a troll low energy day in Demon Slayer, and Day 2, guess who ended up pushing me. ScumDrew.

I literally pushed you because of the play Ali was gonna make(or already did? I don't remember the timing)

I basically was just trying to do what I can to make you look bad there.

I also pushed you in the mini that ended with you me and python, where we were both town(me and you I mean).

I also questioned you in Mafia had a cop with your Miller claim.

You out yourself as town when you are town, I just haven't seen it here yet.

Pre Edit: What's wrong with that post?

cuz you aint lookin

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ive also been keeping a notes PT this game to go with my would be low energy, and my thought processes behind doing certain things, but low energy doesnt look like the right play.

I was going to fake a town read on Drew in a little bit, then target them tonight, but dont wanna do that anymore.


You wanna know something else. I had a troll low energy day in Demon Slayer, and Day 2, guess who ended up pushing me. ScumDrew.

I literally pushed you because of the play Ali was gonna make(or already did? I don't remember the timing)

I basically was just trying to do what I can to make you look bad there.

I also pushed you in the mini that ended with you me and python, where we were both town(me and you I mean).

I also questioned you in Mafia had a cop with your Miller claim.

You out yourself as town when you are town, I just haven't seen it here yet.

Pre Edit: What's wrong with that post?

Barely, and it was different still. I don't mind the push. Actually, the push had nothing to do with it even.

It was the beforehand. Here I feel you smelled that I was suspicious of you and tried to get ahead of it and water the Gamma-Flavor doubt to a sapling.

You've been working the Gamma plant for a minute now even pre-Flavor imo.

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Pre Edit: What's wrong with that post?

meant to copy/paste into my post after

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Vander, Roden, Gamma, Elements, Naerys, Kitty, are my strongest town reads. I have some paranoia around Elements/Vander, but I don't think it's ever both of them here. Celebloki is probably somewhere near there, but I'll need to interact with them more as time goes on, but im also leaning town there.

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whats wrong with blatant

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the fact im using bad logic and reasoning instead of good logic for a lot of my earlier reads is not scumFlavor. lol

you saying i aint shown townie is cap

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whether you believe scumFlavor would do that purposefully is another thing, but the line of aint shown that cap

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the fact im using bad logic and reasoning instead of good logic for a lot of my earlier reads is not scumFlavor. lol

you saying i aint shown townie is cap

I never said that

I said you show townie eventually, just haven't seen it yet.

Maybe you think you have, and maybe you actually have, but I haven't seen what I eventually do see yet.

i think whatever tell you got back then isn't actually a townie tell and is just something i happened to do as town once or twice.

cuz you've said that line before when I was town.

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actually, ive only seen you say that to me when i was town.

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I just want you to know FL, that I absolutely caught that crumb, signaling town investigative.

Good crumb though. Not that I had much doubt but this further means naerys less lilely to be scum eliminating them as killer / vanillaizer.

I agree with your list minus Kitty / Celebloki. There are things in Kitty's response that continue to be objectively untrue, for example their disposition on looker. I can classify their other opinions re: contributions/ good and bad vibes as subjective opinions but it isn't quite fitting into place just yet.

I was of the opinion that drew was nominally towny. I'll revisit.

Yeah, I wouldnt have claimed, but I wanted to explain my progression overall this game. I think there's a chance Kitty could have done this as scum, but it was enough for me to be okay changing wagons. Wasn't ready for day to end yet.

Noting your Drew read, though. Drew and I get in paranoia feuds a decent amount, so it's possible.

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Eventually I’ll get through a town game not claiming my damn role

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I’m town reading ActionDan, but keeping in mind, they were a legend already when I was still in newbie queue.

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This tracks with Kitty likely being scarred by my gambit in the Micro I was scum a little while back.

elaborate?

And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

RN didnt even confirm his role. This looks more like bad IRL stuff than rolling as scum. Flavor, this was a BAD post from you.

feeling so validated someone else saw through that bs
KEEP TELLING HIM OFF MADAM AND DONT STOP

Asking me to tell of a recent scum heist? Say less.

It all started with a classic day 1 crumb. FL walks on by, wondering what they should do this time as scum, so I do a sneaky little WEAK FN soft hidden Definitely way more subtle than the one I did here, as it was for a role, not a result.

Anywho, end of Day 1, I say well, meow

Onto Day 2. I get a quick wagon when KittyMo said they town read me and sheeped me and that I was someone they trusted. Quick wagon so Kitty only gets a few posts in that day.

Night 2….I kill Kitty moo ha ha …ha


And then I explain the soft on Kitty and everyone sees me as conf town.

Game won

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I also said I specifically wouldn’t use that as a reason, so anyone who keeps bringing it up, is the one who is using it and trying to keep that alive.

It’s simply a ‘if you’re in Elo and yessiree slot alive lean’

Anyone who uses it further than that is keeping it alive

So it is now Naerys’s

why get upset over this? you can't blame this on anyone but urself chief

you are the one that chose to put it out there, if you don't want people to scrutinize ur fake ass read over it why bother to say it out loud

Went right over your head

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Yess obv scum here, though lol

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Directly over

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Yee

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I got 18k posts on Boonskiies, the first account, too.

the combined of that is probs one of the highest, if not the highest, from one player at all time, i imagine?

Firebringer has more one one account, though

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This tracks with Kitty likely being scarred by my gambit in the Micro I was scum a little while back.

elaborate?

And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.

RN didnt even confirm his role. This looks more like bad IRL stuff than rolling as scum. Flavor, this was a BAD post from you.

feeling so validated someone else saw through that bs
KEEP TELLING HIM OFF MADAM AND DONT STOP

Asking me to tell of a recent scum heist? Say less.

It all started with a classic day 1 crumb. FL walks on by, wondering what they should do this time as scum, so I do a sneaky little WEAK FN soft hidden Definitely way more subtle than the one I did here, as it was for a role, not a result.

Anywho, end of Day 1, I say well, meow

Onto Day 2. I get a quick wagon when KittyMo said they town read me and sheeped me and that I was someone they trusted. Quick wagon so Kitty only gets a few posts in that day.

Night 2….I kill Kitty moo ha ha …ha


And then I explain the soft on Kitty and everyone sees me as conf town.

Game won

KittyMo is a different person

I don’t even remember saying KittyMo so i don’t know how it showed up.


But im definitely talking about KittyTacky.

I forgot about KittyMo until now tbh

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Naerys, who you at scum wise

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Yeah, there’s scum in Drew or Yess for sure

Some stank up there somewhere

I don’t think they’re scum together, though

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Drew's just in a tearing down of people trying to reason why I'm town.

I think Element's analysis of it is actually pretty solid, especially because they replaced in late to my current scum game, into my neighborhood, and felt firsthand the energy of ScumFL and how it brought it to the table.

There's a solid amount of players here that were in that game, so realizing that, it kinda makes sense Drew could pick up something off about it, but yeah.

I dont really think that anyone from that game went 'hey, let's actively start sheeping FL to make it look like they're controlling the gamestate!' but if they did, that would be a sick scum play.

But yeah, Elements is kinda nailing it with that analysis wise, I feel like I had basically no reason for people to sheep me, people just ended up sheeping me, whereas scum, I enforced my will onto the slots and specifically convinced people to join. Here, it's possible a lot of people naturally felt that energy with Kitty, and had a mindmeld or just wanted to help add pressure because it felt good.

I think the Kitty wagon was super good for the gamestate overall, and ended up being the biggest thing that's happened this game read-wise. Multiple people made strong actions when doing so, and there's just a lot of things to read from it.

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Scum kinda have to try and use me nowadays because I'm good at rallying and creating momentum, so they have to like guide it.

They have to do that with everyone, of course, but im a constant spinning plate that sometimes gets off balanced, and scum have to keep it spinning and stable.

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Drew, a seagull flying into the water catching a fish has been picking up what you’ve been attempting to put down.

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Elements
Drew
Gamma
Kitty
ActionDan

Naerys
Roden
Celebloki
Vanderscamp

Yessiree
Looker

No order in tiers, roughly where I’m at. I can see a world where Yess is town, though, but not fully feeling that atm.

Middle tier i have reasons to town read all of em, felt townie energy from each, but not strong enough where I’d bet on it right now. Top tier I’m town leaning all atm

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I trust elements over all yall rn

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Eh, seems like over exaggeration.

I’ve barely pushed you here, just voted and said i think you’re scum lol

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If you check through Page 21 and 22, the only time I even mentioned Yessiree is literally on the reads tiers.

So giant over exaggeration on the tunnel comment

This is a super laid back push, and it’s more like i threw a dart at the yessiree dart board and haven’t bothered to walk over to pull it out yet

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i think my lazy shot is doing alright

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To be entirely fair I wasn't even registering it as ATE when I was typing it.

this is why i think it was townie rather than NAI.

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Vander’s argument feels half-baked in a town way

Yeah, I don't think Van is scum. I feel like they reached a conclusion and then worked backwards from there to justify it.

Wouldn't town realize that they are doing that though and maybe back off of it?

I feel like scum is more likely to do what you are describing.

I think that's one of those things where in theory it feels like that should make sense, but in practice, a lot of townies start with a vibe or energy, and then try to explain it.

Whereas I've noticed scum pigeonhole themselves in a lot for 'needing' a reason to scum read someone to the point it looks produced/forced, where they setup a trajectory for a push rather than just straight go for it.

It's a reason I try to be impulsive as scum (while being aware of gamestate on a social level) because it comes off more natural.

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and i do believe that last thing there isn't natural for people as scum, and is something that needs to be trained and worked on for years to do well.

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Drew you really feel like scum here lol

i wanna town read you, but not gonna lie, it really feels like it this game

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I think it's an act. I do sense some frantic energy behind their bing chillin posts.

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eh, i have only seen them as scum, and i see similarities, so im ignoring meta when it comes to yessiree right now.

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speaking of supplementary meta

@Looker - can you link your most current town game?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah.

Yessiree/Looker has a scum in them, maybe 2. then there's a hider somewhere. Not feeling like scum is driving this game, and theyre hoping i end on a townie today.

There could be a driver somewhere, though, just cant tell where quite yet.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah.

Yessiree/Looker has a scum in them, maybe 2. then there's a hider somewhere. Not feeling like scum is driving this game, and theyre hoping i end on a townie today.

There could be a driver somewhere, though, just cant tell where quite yet.

My man, I have been saying that scum is hoping you will drive the train.

Partially why I do not believe it is Yess.

the game did speed up with Kitty. I think it's indicative that one of them are scum for sure.

I could still see Looker/Kitty based on the way Looker acted, but it kind of looked like Looker wanted people to know they opposed the Kitty wagon.

I want Looker to get in here more.

I can't fully agree with that yess read, but it's not like out of the realm of possibility that Yess is town for me by any means.

[Flavor Leaf]

i'm not fully against the possibility of RodenScum either, i just dont think there's enough out there if youre going to try and get Roden faded. I've seen enough where I town read them, and frankly, if they're scum, they played it well enough where I don't think I really want them today. Maybe that's because I know Roden has the ability to obv town obv town as time goes on.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sure, but they aren't going to be sending multiple Inventions out in the same night normally

[Flavor Leaf]

my thing with celebloki is they claimed VLA, so pressuring them while VLA is just kinda meh.

[Flavor Leaf]

Could be a real scum role tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

Could be a real scum role tbh

This.

It's a win more as town role a lose less as scum role. Bit that conclusion is so obvious that as scum I would never claim this. Would yessiree think beyond 1 dimension?

I think coming off genuine and true claiming it is a solid choice, but I agree, on tone, yessiree does well.

I’m not sold they aren’t scum, but I’m willing to move off of them. I just don’t really want to keep upping the claims.

[Flavor Leaf]

Imma pass on Naerys. They have to be a Goon or a non active Night 1 PR to be scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm leaning town on yessiree's claim just because it is a pretty weird role as scum, and it doesn't sound like the kind of thing that would be made up. My strongest take on it is that it's their real role regardless of alignment.

I would agree

[Flavor Leaf]

Naerys wagon is Kitty and Yessiree wagon minus Myself and Elements (and Yesiree on the Yes wagon specifically)

considering Elements is a stronger town read of mine, and I got a sNaerys didn’t move result, Naerys wagon isn’t looking too good.

[Flavor Leaf]

elements just likes flash wagons.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm, I’ll probably be asleep at deadline. I’m in the same boat that the claim is sort of a weird claim for scum to make, so I’m inclined to believe it came from town.

I feel like it's just a genuine claim as scum.

Role Cop + Neighbor is generally a scum combo. I had Rolecop Neighbor in my last scum game even.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, why did Yessiree wait until near deadline to make the claim, it was pretty stagnated, they could have done it earlier.

And it feels like scum don't want Yessiree based on overall energy being pushed at their claim.

Idk.

I'm decently confident Yessiree is scum here, and I'm more confident Naerys is town here right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Would semi-procrastinating just be an add on to make it seem more town then? That modifier doesn’t seem to make sense otherwise.

it's possible. I don't necessarily see it as a town kinda role, moreso than a scum gate.

Role Cop against Vanillaizer is kind of weird to have on town.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's possible as town, I just think the Naerys tree is up the wrong alley.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden (2): Looker, Vanderscamp

one of these are scum maybe 2 (including Roden here). this is never a 3 person team.

[Flavor Leaf]

why didn't you push me harder then?

why should I be forced to claim when I was in no danger of being limmed and the wagon on me never had any leg to stand on to begin with

wasn't interested in pushing you harder. i got more from letting it stew and seeing who made the next move, and onto where.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yessiree's energy towards me just screams scum mad im pushing them for nonexistent reasons rather than town annoyed i'm pushing them.

I also have started to move past a 'let it resolve' mentality, because it's too easy for scum to coast on it like Marci did in Mafia have a cop. Y'all were gonna let Marci go on that Day 2 as well if I didn't push.

Looking back, I had a really good game that game bar fading Gamma, but only went Gamma there cuz Marci wasn't happening. We had a Marci/Dann S/S counter that game, and the reason my Marci on Dann vote didnt make sense is because Dann was traitor and marci didn't know.

It's possible this is a Yessiree/Roden team.

[Flavor Leaf]

Here's my thing: roden wasn't the first on the wagon, but Roden helped setup the energy that way that lead Gamma to vote there. I don't want to risk misfading Roden today, though, so I'd rather that just sit because I think Roden can town up if they are town (or pocket me).

[Flavor Leaf]

It felt like scum was trying to threat kill Naerys at end of the day. I'm leaning Roden over Drew in that scenario right now.

Looker I have like a scum soul read on them, but there's not really enough to go on here yet. Like that's actually my strongest scum read, but it's almost purely gut, but i feel like my gut is just a mix of feeling the weight and momentum of the gamestate on a social level, so it's not really gut, but i dont have any other way to explain it, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Vanderscamp
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
VOTE: Celebloki
VOTE: Elements
VOTE: KittyTacky
VOTE: Naerys
VOTE: Random Nurse
VOTE: Whemestar
VOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: Roden
VOTE: looker
VOTE: ActionDan
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

By voting everyone before they vote me, I am immune to any and all accusations of OMGUS!

This is the only time I’ve voted Kitty this game. You better print that retraction right now, Flavor Leaf.

oh yeah, you were against it.

I'm less concerned about you than the other 3 anyways, and i feel like that's evident in my posts.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's not throwing even if you ended up being town. that's overdramatic.

that's just conditional responsing Drew. you're shading when they dont go the way you want, praising when they're on your side.

can you explain your read on Naerys?

[Flavor Leaf]

why didn't you push me harder then?

why should I be forced to claim when I was in no danger of being limmed and the wagon on me never had any leg to stand on to begin with

wasn't interested in pushing you harder. i got more from letting it stew and seeing who made the next move, and onto where.

so you were complacent in letting it stew rather than pushing for clarity

why do you want me to push you harder? you'd have gotten faded.

rarely am i ever in a spot where deadline is here, and im not ready to end day fully, but here we are.

this game will benefit moving to the next day.

Another reason I don't like the claim, is Yessiree doesnt have to give results until a scum goes down, and with a wagon dying on Yess, if Yess is scum, it's not really likely to hit another scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, why did Yessiree wait until near deadline to make the claim, it was pretty stagnated, they could have done it earlier.

And it feels like scum don't want Yessiree based on overall energy being pushed at their claim.

Idk.

I'm decently confident Yessiree is scum here, and I'm more confident Naerys is town here right now.

It seems like your confidence is based on mechanical reasons and not on play. What has Naerys done to convince you that she's town?

it's the combination of the way they shade me, not sheeping me, not thinking im scum, and the low energy defense of why im different than scumFL in a non pocketing way. Plus, the way they presented some of their reads, like you or Drew having scum in them, which I believe I also said earlier, being sort of a mind meld in addition to the movement to their wagon this late.

[Flavor Leaf]

how is it not throwing when you're limming a claimed role cop when i could get cop cleared instead

yall legitimately game throwing here if you think limming me today is a good idea, i think my role is gonna play a key role later when there are vanillarizer and inventors at play this game

naerys is just gut + off wagon scum

Why do you think there's a Cop with a Role Cop as town + Vanillaized claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

A Role Cop can technically get a guilty on a Mafia Vanillaizer, unless it's a town Vanillaizer, but why would they act? Imo, if it's a town Vanillaizer, we would know by now, because town shouldn't hold that here.

This is one hold up of a Role Cop.


However, Role Cop also synergizes well with a Scum Vanillaizer.

[Flavor Leaf]

why didn't you push me harder then?

why should I be forced to claim when I was in no danger of being limmed and the wagon on me never had any leg to stand on to begin with

wasn't interested in pushing you harder. i got more from letting it stew and seeing who made the next move, and onto where.

so you were complacent in letting it stew rather than pushing for clarity

why do you want me to push you harder? you'd have gotten faded.

rarely am i ever in a spot where deadline is here, and im not ready to end day fully, but here we are.

this game will benefit moving to the next day.

Another reason I don't like the claim, is Yessiree doesnt have to give results until a scum goes down, and with a wagon dying on Yess, if Yess is scum, it's not really likely to hit another scum.

i don't think that's the case, you just didn't have any stock to push me with

if you pursued further maybe you've gotten the claim outta me sooner and we all collectively move on to better things

i copped kitty last night btw because i've never seen him tryhard that much, so i thought he got an excited on getting a cool scum role, i got a no result obviously

Oh yeah, this is a scum a slip. I'll let someone else choose why.

[Flavor Leaf]

damn that sentence.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, why did Yessiree wait until near deadline to make the claim, it was pretty stagnated, they could have done it earlier.

And it feels like scum don't want Yessiree based on overall energy being pushed at their claim.

Idk.

I'm decently confident Yessiree is scum here, and I'm more confident Naerys is town here right now.

It seems like your confidence is based on mechanical reasons and not on play. What has Naerys done to convince you that she's town?

it's the combination of the way they shade me, not sheeping me, not thinking im scum, and the low energy defense of why im different than scumFL in a non pocketing way. Plus, the way they presented some of their reads, like you or Drew having scum in them, which I believe I also said earlier, being sort of a mind meld in addition to the movement to their wagon this late.

You just described someone who's positioning themself around you while setting up suspicion on slots to be pushed on future days rather than the current day.

You wanna check and look how your partner just slipped up.

[Flavor Leaf]

why didn't you push me harder then?

why should I be forced to claim when I was in no danger of being limmed and the wagon on me never had any leg to stand on to begin with

wasn't interested in pushing you harder. i got more from letting it stew and seeing who made the next move, and onto where.

so you were complacent in letting it stew rather than pushing for clarity

why do you want me to push you harder? you'd have gotten faded.

rarely am i ever in a spot where deadline is here, and im not ready to end day fully, but here we are.

this game will benefit moving to the next day.

Another reason I don't like the claim, is Yessiree doesnt have to give results until a scum goes down, and with a wagon dying on Yess, if Yess is scum, it's not really likely to hit another scum.

i don't think that's the case, you just didn't have any stock to push me with

if you pursued further maybe you've gotten the claim outta me sooner and we all collectively move on to better things

i copped kitty last night btw because i've never seen him tryhard that much, so i thought he got an excited on getting a cool scum role, i got a no result obviously

Why would you even use your ability if you knew it couldn't possibly succeed?

had they sent out an action, they wouldn't have gotten a 'No Result' back. No Result is its own type of result.

They just slipped up.

[Flavor Leaf]

sometimes it's better to sit back and let scum talk themselves guilty.

[Flavor Leaf]

Something's fishy.

Why do you know that exact line and why did Yessiree attempt to use it still?

[Flavor Leaf]

like who knows that lol

[Flavor Leaf]

how is it not throwing when you're limming a claimed role cop when i could get cop cleared instead

yall legitimately game throwing here if you think limming me today is a good idea, i think my role is gonna play a key role later when there are vanillarizer and inventors at play this game

naerys is just gut + off wagon scum

Why do you think there's a Cop with a Role Cop as town + Vanillaized claim.

you're asking my conf biased opinion? sure

it makes sense to me because my role doesn't get activated until a scum flip, so it's less frontloaded town power, or perhaps the cop has similar restrictions

plus the cop can't check modifications from vanillarizer or inventor, but role cop can

pedit: why not? i used my ability for the lols

based on what I've seen, Cop would be more likely on an Inventor role here than having an actual Cop.

Your assumption of it is also kinda weird.

[Flavor Leaf]

Something's fishy.

Why do you know that exact line and why did Yessiree attempt to use it still?

I will say that with my role, I can get back a 'no result' message from the mod.

Yeah, a lot of roles can get a No Result, but the questioning is why would they sent it knowing they can't get a result, and why is it just so perfectly aligned that there is a line in the Personal that specifcially says if ability is used, will still get No Result, and why does Roden know that?

This stanks.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm sorry, I don't get a Role PM, go 'oh, this doesn't work if there isn't at least 1 scum dead' and then go and send an action in.

I think this got Roden/Yessiree gambiting all over it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden's coaching Yessiree imo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden also set up the energy on Naerys.

[Flavor Leaf]

Neighbor Semi-Procrastinating Role Cop

my action doesn't succeed (no result) when all 3 mafia are still alive during the night

Actually how the fork do you even know there’s 3 mafia?

Remember how Titus and I kept saying 4 scum last game it's cuz we knew.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also he said his role only worked once there weren’t 3 scum alive. So why would you try or expect anything else?

what would I lose by trying it

But, you tried justifying your night action with what seemed to be a legit reason why you chose Kitty.

If it was for the lulz, why act like it wasn't?

because i asked the mod if i could send an action anyways and she wouldn't answer

so i sent one anyways

why would you be able to 'send an action anyways'

you seemed very aware you wouldn't be able to.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden also set up the energy on Naerys.

I also set up the energy on Yess.

Ehhh i think you went after i sent energy there, though

[Flavor Leaf]

You shouldn’t have been allowed to act at all

No that isn't how it works.

Bruh what? We’re on the same side? Procrastinating roles being able to act freely like yess claims he did only would be the case in a game where faction size isn’t known. The mutated role also adds a wrinkle of not needing to worry about knowing or not knowing the scumteam size. So I see absolutely zero reason why yess should’ve been given a “no result” vs. just not getting any form of result PM.

The wiki doesn't say that.

You need glasses, sir. Because while it doesn’t explicitly say that, it in essence says that. The entire reason Procrastinating can act at all times in some games is that in those games the scumteam size isn’t known. It’s known here, so that caveat is unnecessary.

Gamma, it literally says if they try to act they would get a no result PM

And I believe this is why scum Yes chose to say they did this

[Flavor Leaf]

Hilarious stuff

Also, my issue isn’t with the mech side of things at all, it’s the specific attempt of sending in an action knowing it was to fail.

Like i don’t get a role where it says “you cannot act unless a scum has died” and then go “oh well, i might as well send in an action anyways”

Regardless of mech, on an objective level, that doesn’t add up for me.

If so, it’s a weird play to have made, i just feel like it was said specifically because it said that in the wiki and to give more merit to the role claim on a mech level.

So i get Roden’s side of the mech argument, but i just think it also doesn’t make sense to do as town Yess.

[Flavor Leaf]

I will say something about this scenario is weird in a Roden/Yessiree S/S scenario.

I would hope that it’s not a T/T, because that’s going to be kinda rough.

Dangerous spot is if it’s Yessiree Town/Roden Scum doing this. I think it’s a solid White Knight play if Roden is scum here to a town Yess.

Night kill is going to change this game in their favor a bit if they are scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

No I'm saying the situation you brought up is unlikely to ever happen. It exists (and to clarify the only thing worthwhile is role copping the vanillizer), but this scenario is not likely to happen if you are spared for many many many many reasons.

all i know is my role has a purpose, otherwise it wouldn't exist in this setup

if i wanted to survive i could've prepared many other more convincing claims

pedit: ok glad Roden put me outta my misery

i have lost complete confidence in this town

It’s Day 2. It’s okay to misfade.

If you’re town, it’s possible the team is Roden/AD and they pulled off a successful White Knight. Doesn’t have to be, but I’m just gonna put that tinfoil here right now.

I’m not even sure if that’s what I believe the scum team to be, i just think it’s a possibility.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because our Day 1 was so short, this was a base line day, we come tomorrow with multiple night actions.

Scum didn’t get a kill last night.

We’re not in like true true danger if this flips town, i think we get a lot out of it still.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also he said his role only worked once there weren’t 3 scum alive. So why would you try or expect anything else?

what would I lose by trying it

Also he said his role only worked once there weren’t 3 scum alive. So why would you try or expect anything else?

what would I lose by trying it

But, you tried justifying your night action with what seemed to be a legit reason why you chose Kitty.

If it was for the lulz, why act like it wasn't?

because i asked the mod if i could send an action anyways and she wouldn't answer

so i sent one anyways

like what what you gain is the real weird thing here?

Just felt like an unnecessary anecdote, and probably shouldn't have claimed it at all.

I just don't get why someone would see that role knowing their role doesn't act, but still choose to act.

[Flavor Leaf]

The claim of Kitty tryharding is weird too, because Kitty only made 7 posts on Day 1.

Idk. Just weird overall. Yessiree was out of sync, if they're town, i think we get a lot of information from this, and frankly, we aren't losing too much based on them claiming against a Vanillaizer along with 3 scum alive still.


In addition, choosing to make an action while knowing they couldn't, also makes it so people could get false Motion Detection and such actions, which is kind of annoying, and maybe that's why it's there specifically, and it's like targeting an Ascetic.

My main thing in thinking is that a ScumYess, thinking I really targeted them and got a positive action tried to soft defend themselves with the claim to warrant having an action used.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Yess is scum, I don't think it's Roden. I'm getting thoughts out in the case I die tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

Getting some paranoia of Kitty/Looker again, and like Kitty slipped away possibly.

Alright. i dont think i have anything else to say, so i guess see you tomorrow hopefully.


Town

Naerys
Celebloki
Elements

Gamma

ActionDan
Drew
Vanders
Kitty

Roden

Looker

Pink is light light scum read, but I think if it's not exactly Roden/Yessiree/Looker, then scum exist in Pink tier. I have reasons to town read everyone in that Pink tier, but I don't think they're strong enough where they couldn't be scum pulling the wool. Gamma is higher up for reasons. I could kinda see a reasoning for my top tier as scum, but idk, i just really feel good about the 3 of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden is not scum imo

[Flavor Leaf]

I got my result last night, I’m gonna hold for a minute while we discuss some things.

I was Vanillaized as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

So going forward, no more ability.

But yeah, I’m holding my result for a minute.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, actually, Drew if you’re town, Roden is scum for sure, let’s take a little bit of time for now.

I do think we should mass claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden is not scum imo

Respectfully, your opinion doesn't matter.

Roden is scum, flip me if you need to see it as fact.

Yeah, your claim is bad if scum, cuz you just die after, so I’m kinda on board.

I have a guilty as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m a JOAT. I’ll say my other abilities at the end of mass claim to not give away what guilty I have.

[Flavor Leaf]

But if Drew is town, I think this game is over.

[Flavor Leaf]

But Drew is town.

If roden is town there has to be a confluence of unlikely things at this point. It would require alien roles / tech to negate Drew's result

It’s possible. I posted the first post before I read, and just saw votes.

In my Notes PT last night, I was suspecting Drew.

But i think a mass claim might just wrap this game up.

[Flavor Leaf]

But Drew is town.

If roden is town there has to be a confluence of unlikely things at this point. It would require alien roles / tech to negate Drew's result

Oh God I hate this wifom post lol

I actually think it’s not impossible, albeit Roden probably goes down because of it if town anyways.

Let’s talk for a couple days. We have your guilty on Roden, I think unvote in case it goes fast and I can’t get my result out.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, that tracks heavily with the way and the why Roden defended Yessiree imo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you mind full claiming, Roden?

I also think that comes from Aliens for sure.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, that tracks heavily with the way and the why Roden defended Yessiree imo.

How so?

Roden said they could confirm Yessiree’s action.

Roden was vulnerable. Yessiree pointlessly targeting Roden would have succeeded if they did so.

Roden brought this up end of day they could.

I don’t think it makes play sense for Roden to play the way they did with a Yess scum partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

Eagerness to claim will do wonders.

Let’s get it all out so I don’t accidentally out my action

[Flavor Leaf]

Drew, I suspected you during the night.

You were probably my leading candidate after Yessiree flipped.

I think you’re still in your scum range by possibly knowing Roden had Vulnerable beforehand, but the role looks solid, and it’s a good gambit if you are scum. Enough where I’m trusting you more now while keeping an eye on ya.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, I'm not sure how to interpret what happened to me, I assume I was targeted, but the way the PM was worded may suggest I was not.

Go ahead and claim it.

Paraphrase, of course, and your role

[Flavor Leaf]

Roden - Vanilla, got Vulnerable N1 all actions succeed
Doctor Drew - 1-shot Success Disloyal Checker
ActionDan - ????? Neighbor
Gamma Emerald - Vanilla
Flavor Leaf - JOAT, Reporter shot on Naerys N1 nothing, Vanillaized Night 2
Celebloki - Vanilla, go frail Night 2 will die on targeting
Elements - Novice Inventor, Vanillaized Night 1
Looker - ??????
Vanderscamp - ???? Neighbor
Naerys - ??????
KittyTacky - Vanilla

Okay, so we only have 4 more to finish mass claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Celeb or Drew, popcorn one of Looker, Dan, Naerys, or Vanders

[Flavor Leaf]

Now we wait days for Looker to show up

[Flavor Leaf]

AD def scummy. I scum read them when they were town on a game i don’t speak about anymore.

So they could be town here. They kept trying to dissuade my town read on certain slots yesterday, and they tried to defend the Yessiree claim while saying they don’t like it but they think it comes from town.

So unfortunate scenarios if Dan is town, because I can see that as a genuine read as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

The Looker popcorn might actually be the scummiest play they made if they are scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Kinda feels like they’re trying to figure out if that’s my guilty or not.

Yessiree and Dan both being in the Neighborhood is a saving grace for Dan, though. While it’s possible, I’m not really feeling that in the setup so far.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah that’s NAI imo if you’re talking about the snap popcorn with no claim
If you’re talking about choosing Looker, please elaborate

Specifically talking about the Looker choice. I’ll wait until after mass claim, and I’ll spill everything.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s fair.

Yeah, Looker probs just scum

[Flavor Leaf]

im so glad my yessiree soul read ended up being right

[Flavor Leaf]

cant see Gamma ever scum here. her posts have all made sense, and i think with my guilty, it makes it effectively impossible for Gamma to be scum too. so they're IC basically.

Drew can be scum here setting up a gambit on Roden if they knew they were given the vulnerable modifier. Just want that stressed moving forward if we get to late game and Drew still lives.

[Flavor Leaf]

they did start to try to push Gamma onto me after I started voting Yessiree.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also can't help but shake a feeling of Yessiree saying Drew was throwing by voting Yess as genuine talking to scum buddy.

[Flavor Leaf]

ok do yall wanna vote Celeb with me?

Hello, I'm kinda back, will still be sparsely available until after Thursday probably.

I think I believe the Elements claim for now. There must be another inventor if what Roden claims is true because Elements wouldn't have been able to make something N1 if I understand the

modifiers

right.

I think in 224 Roden was asking if Elements was able to do an invention, what could they invent.

there was this word that he used that pinged me back then, "modifiers". That's not a normal reaction to an Inventor claim. Inventors make you think X-shot of active abilities

I don't remember any modifiers being mentioned. The language used by Elements and Roden are inventions. I don't get how Celeb makes that connection unless he knows something we don't

This thread clears Celebloki for me, I think.

Had absolutely no clue what Yessiree was talking about at the time, and that’s because Yessiree knew the inventions were modifiers.

Celeb was referring to Novice modifier in Elements claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Elements, what were your inventions?

[Flavor Leaf]

what are your thoughts on Looker, Drew, and Vander?

[Flavor Leaf]

and what does Bloodhound do?

[Flavor Leaf]

*Whemestar - Vanilla
Roden - Vanilla, got Vulnerable N1 all actions succeed
Celebloki - Vanilla, go frail Night 2 will die on targeting
Naerys - Vanilla
KittyTacky - Vanilla
Gamma Emerald - Vanilla
ActionDan - Vanilla Neighbor

Doctor Drew - 1-shot Success Disloyal Checker
Flavor Leaf - JOAT, Reporter shot on Naerys N1 nothing, Vanillaized Night 2
Elements - Novice Inventor, Vanillaized Night 1
Looker - ??????
Vanderscamp - ???? Neighbor

*Yessiree - Alien Neighbor Rolecop

[Flavor Leaf]

what about ActionDan/Naerys?

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm having trouble seeing scum's endgame plan here

they dont have one, they're done for, and hoping they can get lucky and have a single deepwolf snake by to the end.

it's all they have the option for.

[Flavor Leaf]

i *think* I have the solve, but I'm waiting for Looker and Vanders to finish mass claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Really hope Looker and Vander don’t flake.

[Flavor Leaf]

Right now, I think it’s DrewScum, unfortunately.

I think their real role is something like 1-shot Success Complex Vanillaizer, if that, and they set this vulnerable gambit on Roden so they could push through a guilty and be cleared the next day.

My main reason for thinking Drew is scum here is because Drew was crumbing a bit too hard yesterday, and remember, I had claimed Reporter, not JOAT (it’s possible scum Role Copped me Night 1, of course), but in that regard, Drew had been claiming a way to get an Inno + a possibility of No Result.

Why was I Vanillaized over Drew with those crumbs by Drew?

I also think it’s possible Drew claimed stuff in case of me checking him, and he had a reason to have made an action, and thus, I’m Vanillaized and would no longer be able to make an action.

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The way that Drew defended Yessiree and also the way that Drew tried to start a wagon on me also feels incredibly scum indicative.

Also, as a 1-shot Success Disloyal Checker, why would you target your main scum read over continuously getting multiple inno’s lined up.

I think Roden check doesn’t make sense from a town POV. That being said, I think this reason is one of the weaker ones, and there are reasonings you can make of why townies would.

But the previous reasons are far stronger.

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And Yessiree calling out Drew’s voting on Yess as ‘throwing’ feels like scum mad at their partner.

And I can see why Drew felt the need to bus yesterday. It wasn’t without a few chances to try and move the wagon onto a Roden, onto a Naerys.

Naerys thought one of Roden or Drew was scum.
Celebloki also thought one of Roden or Drew was scum. Naerys was a wagon possibility, Celebloki was gifted frail.

Setups for when Roden flips town.

I also specifically had the feeling of someone moving off of Kitty after Kitty claimed VT was scum, and Drew is the one that was front and center in that.

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I’m getting antsy waiting for Looker and Vanders, so if we just want the guilty, so can throw it out, or I’ll wait.

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The way that Drew defended Yessiree and also the way that Drew tried to start a wagon on me also feels incredibly scum indicative.

Also, as a 1-shot Success Disloyal Checker, why would you target your main scum read over continuously getting multiple inno’s lined up.

I think Roden check doesn’t make sense from a town POV. That being said, I think this reason is one of the weaker ones, and there are reasonings you can make of why townies would.

But the previous reasons are far stronger.

You keep saying that I tried to start a wagon on you while I kept calling you town.

And I checked Gamma because of their position on the D1 Mislim, and I checked Roden because I figured they would be a major point of contention after how Yess's Lim went down.

That’s fair.

It just feels like Drew Style gambit.

Maybe it is just Looker, if not you.

I don’t think it’s Roden…? But they stay in the POE because of it.

We are a low town power game for sure.

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Look back at Drew’s Day 2. He was helping Yessiree. He was even saying that the town block should be Gamma/Yessiree/Drew at one point before backing off of it to just Gamma/Drew.

Like I trust Drew on tone, so maybe that’s something. I just feel there’s a lot of reasons that line up to them being scum.

But I’ve been in that scenario with Town Drew before, so maybe

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The Semi-Procrastinated claim with Vulnerable being given out to Roden was actually a pretty solid idea in hindsight.

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You’re not holding anything else back, are ya Drew?

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I feel like it would have been worse if you didn’t work there

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Alright, Looker, I got a guilty on your scum buddy, come on out.

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hey gang
have things to do so can't stop by for long
seeing as no one got shot i thought it would be good to let you know I've been vannilaised
I was a novice inventor

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I don’t understand the relevancy.

Not that I don’t think it’s there, I’m probs just missing how that correlates.