mini theme 2315 - love child (game over)

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VOTE: Hu Tao
Forgot to RVS in my opener... I'm losing my touch

VOTE: Meuh

OMGUS

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Oh yeah I'll be talking only in green this game. Which makes sense since my role PM is green. This definitely doesn't have anything to do with being a broccoli.

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It's OMGUS bexause you are voting my

mason partner

!

Totally legit claim btw

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hi hpe! Yes it's absolutely true and not a lie.

P-edit: alianna how dare you accuse me of joking in a game full of jokes, on a joke account?! I am be offended.

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important setup stuff

someone will fail to read this!

- this game has day talk for all private threads.
- you won't be able to redact your private threads; please be mindful of this!
- mafia-aligned power roles are able to use their factional kill alongside other actions they may have on the same night (i.e. all mafia members are multitasking)
- this game will have ten town-aligned players and three mafia-aligned players.
- flips will only contain alignment and role name, not the full role pm.
- this game has exactly one thing in its design that could be construed as a "moderator lie." it is possible you may not consider it a lie. it is also possible that this lie will not occur during the course of the game. all role pms contain zero lies.
- the moderators will be allowed to make comments that aren't alignment indicative. don't read into them.
- "love child" is a politer synonym of "bastard." keep that in mind.
- at least one of you received the following role pm:

Andante

hello! you are a

vanilla townie

.

you have no special abilities.

you win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. the game thread is here. please confirm by replying with a short summary of your role.

mod, is it intentional that andante's name is there???

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so is andante just IC here?

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i am guessing that we get a no answer on that question

also wow it is not like there could be multiple mason groups or similar could it

i actually think there are. Today we shoud lim outside of all claimed masons. Or at least wagon outside them early on.

VOTE: ircher

I leave you all until laterzzz.

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Broccoli feels like scum going "ah crap, is andante an IC??"

idk that's just the vibe I get from them with these posts

lol no i feel blessed being in your IC presence.

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nooooo wrong color

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Broccoli feels like scum going "ah crap, is andante an IC??"

idk that's just the vibe I get from them with these posts

lol no i feel blessed being in your IC presence.

Did you turn into a third party? Are you now a frozen broccoli?

yep i became an unjester


Anyway andante i think you are reading way too hard into my troll posts.

Serious readlist:
Meuh
Gamma
Everyone else (null)
Andante
Alianna
Ircher

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Why are you claiming mason right out the gate?

Suspicious post by you Ircher

join my Ircher wagon, mason buddy?

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i would dispute it being suss but now i reallllyyy gotta go, so i'll ttyl.

Pedit: at least according to TLich you are not wrong.

Pedit stoopppp posting while i try to postttt

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Broccoli feels like scum going "ah crap, is andante an IC??"

idk that's just the vibe I get from them with these posts

lol no i feel blessed being in your IC presence.

Did you turn into a third party? Are you now a frozen broccoli?

yep i became an unjester

Anyway andante i think you are reading way too hard into my troll posts.

Serious readlist:
Meuh
Gamma
Everyone else (null)
Andante
Alianna
Ircher

I don't get this. 68 is an obvious troll post, but posts 60 and 66 don't give that impression. 60 especially looked like you were seriously considering Andante being IC and then tried to play it off as trolling after she called you out.

I don't think she's IC but I'll sheep her on you!

VOTE: Broccoli Quest 2

You are right, 60 wasn't a troll post. I was referring to andante's scumread of me in 71 where she's scumreading me for claiming mason.

Her reaction to 60 is purely a bad read of my tone and is forgivable.

However your voting of me based on that AFTER you acknowledged it's my meta to be scummy is RVS is a bit weird.

Though I will confess talking about meta is +town for you.

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Why are you claiming mason right out the gate?

Suspicious post by you Ircher

join my Ircher wagon, mason buddy?

Suss

so as i said earlier, let me explain why this is not suss. I am getting scumvibes from ircher's reaction ti the mason claim. Hu Tao is coincidentally also getting scumvibes from the same thing (mindmeld!). It is only natural that I will invite her to join the wagon

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why are you a brighter shade of green now

because I sometimes like to type tags manually and I accidentally used the wrong hex code.

you all having fun?

Too much fun!

*honks angrily at five pages and demands cheese instead*

VOTE: Alianna

She told me she hates ducks

Wait am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about ducks??? Are all of these people duck masons?

Aureal gets a D1 pass

Because she's a duck mason!

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Oh no I broke the tags

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I don't suspect you for your tone in 60 and 66, those looked fine to me,

it was more the way you responded to Andante after she scumread you for them

. And I didn't read 71 as scumreading you for claiming mason? Looked more like she was scumreading you for taking the mason claims seriously.

What didn't you like about it?

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E-3 on page 6 is WILD

I've been E-2 on page 2.

But I do think there might be scum on the wagon.

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I actually have a scumread page 5. This is so weird.

My vote stays on you then.

Also, I am legit suss of Broccoli.

Drew locktown (but only after you explain your sus on me)

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Alianna:

I didn't play anything off as trolling except my mason shenanigans.

It's locktown for Drew because he's Drew and you are Alianna. Do I actually need to explain more than that?

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Okay I guess I do need to elaborate just in case anyone here doesn't know you two:

I think Drew is scumreading something meta related about you which is actually sus, and I think it's much more likely that town!drew will notice it over scum!drew. Additionally you two being you two, I think scum!drew would pocket you instead of suspecting you.

I guess you COULD be SvS, I didn't think about that option, but I don't think it's extremely likely.

Pedit could you link to that incident?

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I actually have a scumread page 5. This is so weird.

My vote stays on you then.

Also, I am legit suss of Broccoli.

Drew locktown (but only after you explain your sus on me)

I won't explain my suss on you

Pre edit: My vote on Alianna is 100% serious as well......

Why?

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Lol, I can't pocket Alianna at this point

Pre Edit: Why do you need to know why I suss you?

I like knowing why people sus me so I can get into TvT's with them

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@Alianna the quote you showcased is exactly what I would expect scum!drew to do - pocket you.

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@Alianna the quote you showcased is exactly what I would expect scum!drew to do - pocket you.


Oops

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Spoiler: off-topic

I'm inclined to townlean you being so chill about being in hammer range though, unless maybe you're paired with Bone.

I maybe could see why you think they could be paired with Bone, but is there a reason or just vibes?

If they're paired with Bone, they'd know the suggestion of lolhammering is just a bluff

(or if scum actually did lolhammer their buddy D1 for some reason, they'd just get locktowned lol)

. I'm only commenting on that interaction though, haven't looked yet to see if there's anything else that might rule out the pair and also vibe-reading Klazam as town anyway.

Actually, never mind, there'd probably be more moon logic and WIFOM over it in this playerlist. Not really relevant to the point though.

This does feel like the 'not sure of herself' townAlberta.

I am actually from Alberta, the misspelling is accurate this time lol.
I wonder if I could design a theme game around all the ways my name has been intentionally butchered on this site. The setup would probably be wack but it'd be funny.
I'd mod it on Aliana.

I would love to play in that TBH

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Lol, I can't pocket Alianna at this point

Pre Edit: Why do you need to know why I suss you?

I hate to say it, but my gut is telling me this post is towny.

You see? So we agree Drew is town. Now let's go back to hunting scum, shall we?
Alianna, if you know my meta so well (which you do tbh), you should have no problem catching me later on if I'm scum. But considering you haven't caught me yet (cause am town), why don't you help me pressure Ircher? I feel his OMGUS on me is soooo bad. And in general all of his posts are in disharmony with the rest of the thread, as if he's having trouble posting and is sort of forcing content.

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I don't get this. 68 is an obvious troll post, but posts 60 and 66 don't give that impression. 60 especially looked like you were seriously considering Andante being IC and then tried to play it off as trolling after she called you out.
I don't think she's IC but I'll sheep her on you!

VOTE: Broccoli Quest 2

yeah! like I know I'm town, so I have this extra pov yall don't have, but that was the only thing I got from broccoli's posts, notice how mostly everyone else reacted to me being "IC" like "lol we'll see how this plays out" but broccoli... just felt so different

Why is setup speculation (or whatever you wanna call it) scummy? And why is reacting different scummy?

Is there something inherently scummy in not saying "let's see how it plays out" and instead speculating on how it plays out? Especially if you are town, it should make perfect sense to you that people will think you are town rather than suspect you.

I just don't understand this read at all.

Pedit: nah it's not wild that people are sring me, it's usual. What's wild is you thinking that they sr me for the same reason when Ircher's SR of me is very clearly an OMGUS, for instance.

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anybody mind if i take this pagetop?

Asking this in a game with Alianna is asking for a feud.








May I please join in on the feud?

Oh no I broke the tags

It looks cool tho

Glad you liked it!

You are right, 60 wasn't a troll post. I was referring to andante's scumread of me in 71 where she's scumreading me for claiming mason.

I never SRed you for claiming mason? I think yall claiming masons is dumb yes, but someone actually posting "we lim outside all claimed masons" there's no way town! you believes all legit masons have claimed/ the claims were legit

You see Ms. Andante, that's precisely what I am talking about when I say you are taking me too seriously. I am, very plainly, joking around. You need to realize that I am a big, green

troll

broccoli.

Of course

I don't think all mason claims are legit (only mine is!). But the fact that I don't think they are legit doesn't stop me from TRing the people that claimed mason.

"But," you might say, "didn't you literally say, and I quote,

'

I actually think there are. Today we shoud lim outside of all claimed masons

'

? You did say that! How can you say you don't believe the mason claims are real?"

Well, Andante my dear,

I LIED

. Did I mention this is a joke account in a joke game and that I am a fresh tasty broccoli surrounded by 12 hungry ducks? Of course I have to lie to blend in.

Okay but more seriously for a moment, yeah I was TRing most of the alleged masons when I said that (Gamma, Hu Tao and myself are currently among my stronger TRs, and I was also TRing Alianna and considering you an IC back then). So it was just a fun way to so I want to vote someone in the PoE rather than in my townreads.

annnnd can I get one of those D1 passes too?

Nah, you need a good reason for that, and this post is one big NAI.

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tl;dr:
Andante is a genius and figured out all by herself that I didn't actually believe what I said about the masons and that I was just trolling.

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Did I mention this is a joke account in a joke game and that I am a fresh tasty broccoli surrounded by 12 hungry ducks?

*honks in disgust at the vegetable, throws it out and resumes searching for cheese*

VOTE: Broccoli

Wait! I also have cheese!

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I am going to say that by VCA exactly two out of {theta, alianna, ircher} are scum. Ircher I'm 90% sure on and if I get limmed I would like to venge-lim him (alternatively, take an anti-BoP shot at him (that's a term I learned recently)), the other two are more in hmmm territory.

Aureal is town on my wagon but I'm not sure what she's doing there (I would actually like an explanation but I don't think I will get one since you are busy being a goose).

Drew is still town, Gamma is probably town, Hu Tao is shining through as town.

Meuh also has some townvibes but can't townbin her yet.

IDK about the rest ATP.

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I no longer am interested in voting Broccoli

Wait, you were interested in voting me? i cry everytiem :(


P-edit: hi Doctor COOL, do you have any game advancing reads other than Alianna is scum? Not that I dispute the fact that she could be scum

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Can I interest you in comparing ircher's ISO here with his ISO in Veiled Committee Mafia?

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Oh God, I do not want to read that game.

LOL I get you

Can you give me the gist why you think he is scum here?

Yeah. Let me preface it though with the fact that I correctly scumread Ircher in both DEFCON 6 and Veiled Committee Mafia, and maybe I'm a bit biased because I don't think I've seen him play town recently, but I do think that makes me pretty good at finding scum!him.


Anyway, the first few posts in his ISO (specifically, 25 and 27, maybe also 39 and 41 but less so) feel like "content for the sake of content", something he's just posting so as not to be seen as lurking.


Post 49 is a scummy reaction to the mason claim. It doesn't look so bad in isolation, but compare it to 48, 50 and 53 and you see Ircher standing out as the only one who didn't get the joke. And not reacting properly to a joke is scummy, because scum are VERY self conscious early on and especially in regards to joke. Ircher's reaction makes more sense from a scumplayer overthinking what my post means than a town player who just reacts naturally. ( I'll add an additional disclaimer that some of these thoughts are occurring to me as I write, but it doesn't mean that I'm making it up - I simply had these feelings on a gut level before that and now I'm processing them.)

Then, his vote on me (currently his only voiced read in the game since he's gone MIA since then) just feels bad. I think town!Ircher has better reads than this and wouldn't just randomly OMGUS a broccoli that puts a half random vote on him. Scum!Ircher on the other hand is known (at least to me, and you can verify it by reading Veiled Committee Mafia) for having bad/baseless votes early on.

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Oh God, I do not want to read that game.

LOL I get you

Can you give me the gist why you think he is scum here?

Yeah. Let me preface it though with the fact that I correctly scumread Ircher in both DEFCON 6 and Veiled Committee Mafia, and maybe I'm a bit biased because I don't think I've seen him play town recently, but I do think that makes me pretty good at finding scum!him.

Anyway, the first few posts in his ISO (specifically, 25 and 27, maybe also 39 and 41 but less so) feel like "content for the sake of content", something he's just posting so as not to be seen as lurking.

Post 49 is a scummy reaction to the mason claim. It doesn't look so bad in isolation, but compare it to 48, 50 and 53 and you see Ircher standing out as the only one who didn't get the joke. And not reacting properly to a joke is scummy, because scum are VERY self conscious early on and especially in regards to joke. Ircher's reaction makes more sense from a scumplayer overthinking what my post means than a town player who just reacts naturally. ( I'll add an additional disclaimer that some of these thoughts are occurring to me as I write, but it doesn't mean that I'm making it up - I simply had these feelings on a gut level before that and now I'm processing them.)

Then, his vote on me (currently his only voiced read in the game since he's gone MIA since then) just feels bad. I think town!Ircher has better reads than this and wouldn't just randomly OMGUS a broccoli that puts a half random vote on him. Scum!Ircher on the other hand is known (at least to me, and you can verify it by reading Veiled Committee Mafia) for having bad/baseless votes early on.

FML

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@Broccoli

might I suggest not worrying about correcting a post if you forget to color it in if it’s just a for-fun thing? It seems prone to causing thread bloat.

you may suggest and i may or may not accept this suggestion

good night!

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I am going to say that by VCA exactly two out of {theta, alianna, ircher} are scum. Ircher I'm 90% sure on and if I get limmed I would like to venge-lim him (alternatively, take an anti-BoP shot at him (that's a term I learned recently)), the other two are more in hmmm territory.

Aureal is town on my wagon but I'm not sure what she's doing there (I would actually like an explanation but I don't think I will get one since you are busy being a goose).

Drew is still town, Gamma is probably town, Hu Tao is shining through as town.

Meuh also has some townvibes but can't townbin her yet.

IDK about the rest ATP.

That's a wee bit early for VCA and I eat VCA 5 meals a day.

maybe VCA wasn't the correct word, I meant "by analyzing the votes on the wagon and how they came to be placed there, there's exactly 2 scum on the wagon".

I also think Ircher's vote switch onto you is bad fwiw (and i also don't particularly like meuh's vote there either, but less so since it's the first vote on that wagon), but i'm already voting him so yah.

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being able to confidently say there’s 2 scum in that group of 3 seems wild

Oh it’s omgus

I don't think it's entirely fait to characterize it as simply OMGUS when:

• I've SRed and voted Ircher before he voted me
  
• Two thirds of my scum case on him have nothing to do with his vote on me.
  
• I've actually provided analysis of who the scum on my wagon is, instead of saying "everyone voting me is scummy" or something like that. Like I explicitly did not include Andante and Aureal in the list of potential scum on the wagon.

The assertment that 2/3 of these players are scum comes from (a) individual scumreads on the players (I explained Ircher, will explain the other 2 momentarily) and (b) knowing to recognize how a scum-driven wagon forms. I've played as scum before and I know how and when scum place their votes on a wagon, and when town place their votes on a wagon. The way that wagon formed on me was scummy as fuck not because it was on me but because of the way it formed.

As to why I SR Alianna, first of all she doesn't have obvtown vibes here unlike how she normally does. she's much less openwolfy than in that one game I called her scum on her third post and never looked back, but she's still not obvtown and it's concerning. Second, I really don't like the thought process of saying "Actually what Broccoli is doing isn't scum indicative for them at all, it's in their town meta" and then the second the pseudo-IC Andante votes me changing her mind and voting. It doesn't feel like a towny thought process to me. And with Theta it's not really a scumread, I was just sheeping my buddy Hu Tao on it (+ the wagon analysis), and it's more of a PoE scumread you could say.

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VOTE:

Alianna

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UNVOTE: Aureal
No reason to keep my RVS vote where it is

Any chance that you share a read or three with the rest of the class?

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votecount 1.07

Ircher (4) - Hu Tao, Doctor Drew, Titus, Gamma Emerald
Titus (2) - Meuh, Ircher
Alianna (2) - Aureal, Broccoli Quest 2
Broccoli Quest 2 (1) - Alianna
Afrayed Knott (1) - Andante

not voting

(3) - Afrayed Knott, Theta Alpine, HighPrincessErinys

with thirteen alive, it takes seven votes to be the first one to die. how embarassing! day one ends in (expired on 2023-11-01 17:45:00).

VOTE: Ircher

oops... I let some cheese slip

Heck yeah, let's go!

VOTE: Ircher

E-1

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wtf were these posts by AKnot?

Can someone explain them to me?

@Aureal I agree that Ircher's playstyle tends to be generally scumread but I feel if he's town his play here is terrible, and I'm fully expecting town!him to give some better content whenever next he's here.

I don't mind going back to Alianna though.

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hmmm I could see Titus being scum (especially if ircher is town) but i want more from ircher

If he makes some non-scummy posts i can switch to titus or alianna probably.

Oh also I don't feel ircher and alianna are partnered based on their interactions so far (which i reread), little as they might be

So i rescind the statement of 2/3 are scum but i still think one of ircher and alianna is scum most probably

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Yeah there's definitely scum in Aureal Ircher Broccoli

yeah that's a wild take to have based on the last few posts.

I didn't even townread Ircher's post but that triple shade is wild. Like how are Aureal and me even related to your scumread on Ircher?

VOTE:

Titus

Also where is everyone?

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maybe it's a little extra to have two vote counts on one page, but i'm going for it

nah it's great

I'm here

thoughts?

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Yeah there's definitely scum in Aureal Ircher Broccoli

yeah that's a wild take to have based on the last few posts.

I didn't even townread Ircher's post but that triple shade is wild. Like how are Aureal and me even related to your scumread on Ircher?

VOTE:

Titus

Also where is everyone?

What do you think she is saying there?

I think she basically saw me and Aureal looking like we are scumreading her and decided that's scummy, which for me is a wild take.

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but if I say the truth I'm really not TRing Ircher's last post so I don't mind voting him either.

I would like more thoughts from people, especially Andante, HPE, Alianna and Theta (basically the people not on one of the main wagons), and maybe from you as well.



HPE, I agree a short day is bad. Who out of the 3 big wagons that existed so far do you think is scum, if any? Or do you think they are all town?

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Yeah there's definitely scum in Aureal Ircher Broccoli

yeah that's a wild take to have based on the last few posts.

I didn't even townread Ircher's post but that triple shade is wild. Like how are Aureal and me even related to your scumread on Ircher?

VOTE:

Titus

Also where is everyone?

What do you think she is saying there?

I think she basically saw me and Aureal looking like we are scumreading her and decided that's scummy, which for me is a wild take.

Just to elaborate, I think it's wild because of context, because neither my musings about maybe voting Titus nor Aureal's vote are remotely similar to how I perceive scum play to look like. Of course that's subjective but yeah it felt really off to group us with Ircher.

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Summary of thoughts on last few pages:
Andante is obvtown, her suspicion of Drew is very much a Towny Thought.
Drew's suspicion of Andante is a big wtf, but I had locked Drew as town earlier so I didn't really care about it and in the end his posting did become townier so I'm not seeing him being scum.
Meuh's "are you saying andante is scum????" is a good thought to have, but I am not convinced it cannot be faked by scum. I think there's no point pressuring it now and Meuh can probably be sorted later.
HPE has become a slight townlean instead of a null leaning scum.

Thoughts on individual posts:

The three of you piling on for nebulous reasons doesn't help, although my reasons for voting Ircher had VCA driven reasons rather than scum ones.

What exactly do you mean by voting for VCA reasons?

I love how no one is talking about that wagon comp, instead im just told "well there's no claim soooo" a claim hasn't stopped me before...

Actually part of the reason I wanted to move onto TItus was I didn't love the wagon comp on Ircher either.

i feel like that means ircher is town, but like, idk, i can't read gamestate to save my life

I would think that if his return

wasn’t so mediocre

(I assume this means you think it was good)

So why are you still voting him?

Edit while previewing: LOL nevermind I completely misread you. Yeah I agree, his return is very mediocre and I'm tempted to go back to voting him.

Maybe if Afrayed isn't an alt there is some credence to a so so entrance to the game.....but even then, seems suss to call it a strong scum read.

I don't think he's an alt so much so as a "returning player" who should be considered a Newbie more or less.

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I meant the opposite
I had reservations about the lack of counterwagon but then Ircher made a do-nothing post that felt tone-deaf

Yeah I did note I realized you meant the opposite

Yeah there's definitely scum in Aureal Ircher Broccoli

yeah that's a wild take to have based on the last few posts.

I didn't even townread Ircher's post but that triple shade is wild. Like how are Aureal and me even related to your scumread on Ircher?

VOTE:

Titus

Also where is everyone?

*honks about rule of three and splashes red paint at Ircher*

Are you saying Titus and Ircher are scum together? I feel the opposite but maybe you are right.

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Second, applying the rule of three supposes I am scum.

IDK if you noticed but Aureal is voting you (= thinks you are scum, probably)

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I'll start reading, in the meantime any TLDRs are welcome

TLDR:

Andante is obvtown
people (specifically Gamma and HPE and maybe Theta but not sure about her) wanted to speedlim me on like page 5 for no reason other than Alianna misinterpreting a post I made.
Ircher was wagoned to E-1 and then gave the most lukewarm post ever and disappeared and people don't know what to make of it
Titus is being wagoned for various reasons (mine is bad shading of me and Aureal, who's also town this game btw)

Also, your slot is mod confirmed to be scum


Pedit: I didn't get how Aureal voting you is OMGUS when she voted you before you scumread her?

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I’m down to speedwagon on Broccoli

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VOTE: Aureal

I doubt Aureal is.

???????

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I'll say that I'm not interested in an Aureal lim today

Titus' posting has gone up a notch and while she's not the towniest town to ever town, I can believe a world where she's town

So this means my vote goes back to

VOTE: Ircher

also titus do you mind scumcasing aureal aside from her omgus on you?

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Cauliflower

Carrots

!

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Meuhhhhhhhh I know you are town so can you please do something fun like voting someone unexpected and starting a new wagon? This game needs more life in it.

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I actually have a scumread page 5. This is so weird.

Like this post is scum self-awareness and not town self-awareness, right?

You'd be correct.

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Interested in the bolded.

I'm gonna answer that inside this spoiler tag:

Spoiler:

So, when Alianna plays town (aka every game except this one and the one where she was Nautical Dawn and the one other one where she was a hydra and maybe one other one), she has a very, very distinct trollish lighthearted playstyle that most people tend to heavily townread.

The fact that she noted she had a scumread, and the WAY she noted it, felt just slightly off for her - not SUPER off, but just slightly.

Now I don't know if you know, but Drew and Alianna are like besties or something (they constantly hydra together, recruit each other to games, etc.). So I feel it makes perfect sense for scum!drew to pocket town!Alianna rather than scumread her (Alianna even linked a game where that's exactly what happened, though I did not read that game prior to assuming that's how Drew would react). And I don't expect scum!Drew to even be thinking in terms of shading town!Alianna because at that point there was zero suspicion on her and there's no reason to try and shade her from a scum!drew viewpoint, so he probably won't be even looking at her play and noticing things like that remark by her that was slightly off.

Now nothing I said precludes a world where Drew and your slot are both scum, but I didn't even think of that possibility when I made that read. And right now I feel it's pretty unlikely. If you do flip scum I might reconsider this possibility later.

However, the reason I spoilered it is because I feel it's a bit irrelevant. A lot has happened since then. Why is it important to you to get this specific read explained?







Also, did you read the TLDR?

Pedit: writing this took me a while, glad to see scum!furt being voted.

VOTE: Furt

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I read the TLDR, but also wanted to read the game myself.

Okay so this makes me slightly more confident you are scum here

Town!you would NEVER pass up an opportunity to fake being outed as scum, at least in my experience.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

To clarify:
THAT'S NOT WHY I AM VOTING FURTIVE

But it's definitely a meta tell that's valid as an extra tell on top of already thinking Alianna was scummy

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Also I started writing this post and then never posted it due to too many pedits

Here it is:

lolwut

I think you forgot I'm a broccoli for a second there.

This post right here initially pinged me. It's an awkward defense of Ircher. Aureal says "Ircher's play is scummy" which is a null read but simultaneously handwaives every argument for reading Ircher at all.

hmmm i see what you mean

i don't really think it's scum indicative for Aureal though

i do ponder if your reason for thinking meuh is town is the same as mine

Well now I'm intrigued about yours.

in other news
i feel like the game state is stuck on ircher right now

irchers reaction to being put at e-1 is
bad
and if it was not this early in day 1 i would be fine just eliminating them for it

but it is this early in day 1 and now we have what i feel like is people stuck on wanting to stay on ircher because they have failed to impress anyone positively lately
and uh
also not wanting to end the day this early because we could really use more content to help us in later days

I think you pretty much nailed it

With the exception of there was an attempt to wagon some other people but mostly everyone seemed very disinterested (and I did not read it as disinterest stemming from being locked on Ircher)

So I think people just need to come alive and play instead of being stuck in catchup. Like Andante, Andante has been playing.




Anyway Hu Tao's posting this page

(EDIT: This is last page or the one before last, right now)

feels un-agenda'd fwiw, but i would really like her to engage more with what's happening right now



PEDIT: I agree with this assertion by Furtive but not enough to make Meuh a scumread for now.
PEDITx2: I agree on Drew and disagree on Andante
I don't think these posts are particularly town indicative for Furtive

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Okay yeah this one does kinda see now what Drew meant with the Andante/Meuh stuff but either way this one thinks Afrayed is the way to go here.

What do you think of Furtive's takes on this page?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Why are people voting Furt?

Same reason you voted Alianna, and it hasn't really gotten better since then.

I read 172 and was about to quote it and say this is scummy before I realised I was Alianna's slot.

I... do appreciate the fact it's funny. In fact it made me chuckle out loud.


Fineeee I won't scumread you for that! But I will keep scumreading you for other things!


For instance, Mr. Sailor

Moon

Swift, can you explain how this is not just a blatant attempt to get TR'd?

Broccoli Quest 2 - town.
HighPrincessErinys - town, agreed with a lot of posts here.
Doctor Drew - town by meta and direction of travel (i.e. agrees with my takes)
Hu Tao - town. Liked both streams of posts so far
Theta Alpine - town. A level of depth to posting about reads that I didn't see from scum!Rautherdir in Conception (hope talking about alt metas is ok)


Ircher - unsure. Scum by posts (as ever?) but town by VCA?
Andante - unsure. Not a priority vote at the moment but I am wary of what I saw as a scattergun approach to votes/scumreads.
Gamma Emerald - unsure. Wallflower act is meta typical but harder to read, hopefully GE gets into a more direct discussion at some point soon.
Titus - unsure. Tonally different from scumgame but voting is a little strange.
Aureal - unsure. Tonally seems town and just like past towngames but not packing enough of a punch to be a TR just yet.


Meuh - scum based on posting and voting. I don't get the TRs here at all.
Afrayed Knott - scum. Vote priority urgent.

I feel this has barely any effort put into it (and I feel mean saying that if you did put effort into it, sorry). Like anyone could come up with me/HT/DD being town and the rest of the reads feel surface level-ey if not outright fake:
Which posts of HPE do you agree with? I don't feel it voiced much opinions this game (it mainly said that it was unsure about a bunch of things iirc)
And are you seriously putting Knott as your top scumread based on his whack entrance?
How is Ircher town by VCA and scum by posts?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Gamma vaguely looks town? I can see Broccoli town, at the very least I don't think they're scummy enough for me to be interested in a wagon there

VOTE: Titus
Don't think she has any interest in solving the game tbh

I don't see anything towny from GE prior to this post.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Theta Alpine
found scum already

Aureal gets a D1 pass

I’m down to speedwagon on Broccoli

I no longer am interested in voting Broccoli

The laid back tone here feels both genuine and town indicative

I can see the scum me angle

but Andante is one of the only people solving here and said solving looks townie to me

I feel like scum usually say this more than town because they think it looks noble

True but I'm still town

I can see the scum me angle

but Andante is one of the only people solving here and said solving looks townie to me

I feel like scum usually say this more than town because they think it looks noble

True but I'm still town

I've seen Andante post like that as scum before. The game with Firebringer also scum and it was a scum sweep

Also, what in your eyes made you seem like scum to yourself?

HPE calling my posting and stance around wanting to end day weird was fair
There's enough weirdness to my gameplay (that while I think is probably outdone by towniness) that I can see people reasonably come to the conclusion of me being scum based off of.
Andante's posting is town indicative (like mine), but lacks the weirdness that made me stick out around there, so an Andante scumread felt harder to understand

Okay I'm gonna be a cauliflower for a second and say:

ya meuh is town

[Broccoli Quest 2]

lolwut

I think you forgot I'm a broccoli for a second there.

No
I just think it’s odd you want someone else to start a fresh wagon rather than doing it yourself.

I didn't really have any ideas so I asked Meuh. ALSO, I was attempting to get her to engage because it looked like she was here, but wasn't very engage-y

[Broccoli Quest 2]

great. I don't have a predecessor? or am I misunderstanding you?

or is this a weak try at sarcasm?

This is so bad it became good and then gone to bad again.

Did you even read the post you are replying to?


(I haven't read previous posts btw, will do that tomorrow most probably)

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Yes meuh, I have become a third party AGAIN

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Oh also I don't feel ircher and alianna are partnered based on their interactions so far (which i reread), little as they might be

*honks at having had this thought first but warily circles both parties*

Hmphhh

No matter how hard you may try to convince me, I just can't see Aureal ever being scum this game. Her thought process just aligns with mine way too much.

This might be the first game ever where I just townread Aureal start to finish without starting to scumread her at a critical point so that she gets mislimmed




Also, I don't think I'm ever voting outside of Titus/Ircher/Furtive today, honestly. I will try to figure out whether they are aligned or not after one of them flips scum.

Looking at the VC, I think we need to consolidate wagons. I have a person I'm strongly TRing and a person I'm mildly TRing on each of these wagons (except Titus wagon with a person I SR instead of a mild TR). Are an of you down to consolidation? Where do you want to consolidate?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Spoiler: Sailor Moon Quote

Spoiler: Green quote

Why are people voting Furt?

Same reason you voted Alianna, and it hasn't really gotten better since then.

I read 172 and was about to quote it and say this is scummy before I realised I was Alianna's slot.

I... do appreciate the fact it's funny. In fact it made me chuckle out loud.


Fineeee I won't scumread you for that! But I will keep scumreading you for other things!


For instance, Mr. Sailor

Moon

Swift, can you explain how this is not just a blatant attempt to get TR'd?

Broccoli Quest 2 - town.
HighPrincessErinys - town, agreed with a lot of posts here.
Doctor Drew - town by meta and direction of travel (i.e. agrees with my takes)
Hu Tao - town. Liked both streams of posts so far
Theta Alpine - town. A level of depth to posting about reads that I didn't see from scum!Rautherdir in Conception (hope talking about alt metas is ok)


Ircher - unsure. Scum by posts (as ever?) but town by VCA?
Andante - unsure. Not a priority vote at the moment but I am wary of what I saw as a scattergun approach to votes/scumreads.
Gamma Emerald - unsure. Wallflower act is meta typical but harder to read, hopefully GE gets into a more direct discussion at some point soon.
Titus - unsure. Tonally different from scumgame but voting is a little strange.
Aureal - unsure. Tonally seems town and just like past towngames but not packing enough of a punch to be a TR just yet.


Meuh - scum based on posting and voting. I don't get the TRs here at all.
Afrayed Knott - scum. Vote priority urgent.

I feel this has barely any effort put into it (and I feel mean saying that if you did put effort into it, sorry). Like anyone could come up with me/HT/DD being town and the rest of the reads feel surface level-ey if not outright fake:
Which posts of HPE do you agree with? I don't feel it voiced much opinions this game (it mainly said that it was unsure about a bunch of things iirc)
And are you seriously putting Knott as your top scumread based on his whack entrance?
How is Ircher town by VCA and scum by posts?

You need to pick a line of attack here. Is it busy work to get townread or is it low effort lazy scumplay? It's neither, because the point of it is to show what my reads are in the hope I'll be judged on them and on subsequent flips. I didn't feel the need to quote every post to justify a read, nor was the idea to put in really deep thoughts to display my own alignment.

I don't think my reads were completely consensus either.

Main thing I like from HPE is the Afrayed scumread.

Ircher is town by VCA because he was E-1 early on D1, and scum by posts because his posts are scummy. Also scummy for lack of posts after E-1.

Putting Afrayed Knott last because I feel confident in this read and I want to underline it to get more votes on him.
179 isn't just wack, it's really scummy. The 'random' vote is ostentatiously explained, comments about pages and colour are robotically dry, mention of being mislimmed D1 in a previous game is subtle ATE, ends with a plea for a D1 pass just unashamed survivalism.

Subsequent posts are nearly all jokes of some kind, the voting and unvoting of Ircher with no explanation is also best explained by a Scum/Town dynamic there.

Hmmmm fine you explained your reads rather satisfactorily for now. You get an unvote! Don't spend it all at once though!

UNVOTE: Furtive

In other news, I reread some posts by Titus and most of her reads feel reachy af so I'm down to consolidate on her. VOTE: Titus

ALSO, Sailor Moon has convinced me that Afrayed could be scum so I don't MIND voting him later.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Have we played a lot together?

I believe we have

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Sorry I misread it as "have we played together" (without the "a lot"). I don't think we played a lot.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

not liking you right now.

As in, do you think Furtive is scum? Or do you just don't like him as a player?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Also do not like Andante unvoting because of some ominous reference to a prior game when AK is just getting increasingly weirder and scummier.

"I liked my own reasoning on them" is a bit odd here don't you think?

scumread DENIED

It's towny to say that.

The classic game of Town Blunder or Scum Maneuver

but you think maneuverer?

ig so if we have to put round thoughts into square holes

what u mean?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Holy shit Afrayed Knott is third highest post count and I don't think he said a single thing that made me feel something more than meh

Not sure what to think about that.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Don't put reads into my mouth.

You are the one who said the word scummy.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

OHHH nvm I misread your post, sorry.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

not liking you right now.

As in, do you think Furtive is scum? Or do you just don't like him as a player?

I always presume the former, otherwise it's just a bit mean

Well if we presume the former then AK's next post makes no sense

That's why I'm asking to make sure.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

...In reference to Afrayed.

Yeah that was a misread of your post on my part, big fuckup

How can I make it up to you?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Why am I Sailor Moon?

BC you compared yourself to the moon in a post this game and calling you Mr. Moon feels weird so I decided Sailor Moon sounds pretty fun.

This one feels like Afrayed keeps trying to make the read go from 1 to 100 wrt if Meuh is scum for wanting an early end to day and like yeah this one leans scum a bit on her for that its really fucking weird for town to do but someone
is poking and prodding me like "hey so meuhs scum to you right? yeah you think shes scum huh? yeah? uh-huh?" and it feels like an attempt at escalation? And that unnerves me a little, to be honest.

Ah, I see what you mean.

Vote Afrayed with me.

Okay

VOTE: Afrayed

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Video unavailable

Spoiler: try this

[Broccoli Quest 2]

UNVOTE:

because I don't want this hammered and also I want to gather my thoughts and reassess Titus and Ircher.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

@Ircher can I get your thoughts on Alianna/Furtive, both their day play and the votes on them?

Same for Titus actually.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I'm unlikely to read all the new posts until tomorrow but I'll probably check in later to see if Ircher or Titus answered

[Broccoli Quest 2]

@Ircher can I get your thoughts on Alianna/Furtive, both their day play and the votes on them?

Meuh's vote lacks justification and isn't a great look but could still be town.
Andante is town but the vote doesn't make a lot of sense given her reads at the time.

I don't think Ircher is even efforting here

And I think Ircher DOES put in effort in as town (judging by Anything uPick and Newbie 2114).

So VOTE: Ircher

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Is there an actual case for Ircher being scum beyond his posting being bad? Like don’t get me wrong it is, but I still don’t see why it makes him scum (and we should also lim Aureal if bad posting is all the reasoning we need)

He's made 17 posts this game. Compare the amount of effort in these 17 posts with posts from his scum games, and then compare with the first 17 posts of town games.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Is there an actual case for Ircher being scum beyond his posting being bad? Like don’t get me wrong it is, but I still don’t see why it makes him scum (and we should also lim Aureal if bad posting is all the reasoning we need)

I'd argue Aureal has been slightly more engaged despite the gimmick. As for your question, bad posting is usually the main case for someone being scum but I kind of get what you mean.

okay yeah I think Furtive is town this game. Sorry for tunneling you earlier.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

ay, skimmed the iso, he managed to gamma to like quintuple post.

thats impressive

?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Did anyone read the ISO of ircher that i linked?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

you liked ircher earlier, what changed your mind?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Didn't you

just

say you don't have any wagon you feel good about? Whoch one do you prefer?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Okay I was thinking of posting this but forgot to but now I have a good reason to post this.

The town core I would WANT (if the people there trusted each other, which they currently don't, I think), is this:
Aureal, Broccoli, Andante, Drew (this would've been much more satisfying if Andante's name started with C btw)

The people who I don't really want to call "town core" but I'm not voting Day 1 are Gamma and Hu Tao aka mason buddy.

The people who I'm TRing but willing to vote if someone really sells me on them are Meuh and Furt.

It's OMGUS bexause you are voting my

mason partner

!

Totally legit claim btw

is this for word?

What does that mean?

I cannot believe nobody put forth the suggestion that we gut andante to see if theyre actually a VT

oh this slot is just CURSED

Absolutely cursed.

Didn't you

just

say you don't have any wagon you feel good about? Whoch one do you prefer?

Aureal and Meuh

Sell me on it? Because Aureal is in my townblock list

What are you doing? You know that if I vote icher they become the leading wagon?

And what's that got to do with anything? AK posted weird shit and now you're posting weird shit and I'm just wondering what is UP with this slot.

What is weird here?

Pretty much everything? Weird reads, weird approach, IDK. What's not weird here?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Youre probably not in a masonry because Im in a hood

Hmmm okay


Pedit: ohhhhhhhhhh

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Now I’m confused as to wtf Broccoli’s posting earlier meant but I guess we can figure it out later

which posting?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

forgot to green! laugh at this user!

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Pedit: but what about muh fun shenaniganssss

[Broccoli Quest 2]

What’s the point of saying pedit if the entire post is a pedit

I previously had a post dedicated to shenanigans but deleted it upon pedit because you said we will do that later

[Broccoli Quest 2]

@pisskop who do you want to wagon right now the most? And who are your second and third picks?

PEDIT: Are you blind Meuh? I literally said in my last big post I'm not voting Gamma today. I'm also agreeing with the TR.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

It’s okay friendo, we’ll be able to talko about it laterino

Hmmmmm fine

I'm tempted to locktown you for this but I know I will probably regret it

You can remain a townread though.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Meuh u are just plain evil

[Broccoli Quest 2]

You know what, sure. Gamma is in my town core as well.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Okay can we vote Titus now for suggesting to elim between Meuh and Aureal which is just horrible?

Unless you guys have developed an appetite for an ircher vote, which I doubt.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I'll E-1, hopefully we get a claim this time.

VOTE: Ircher

Isn't the rule you don't claim until your at E-1 with intent?

Anyway, I claim cheese connoisseur. Each night, I can target a player to learn whether or not the word "cheese" is listed anywhere in their role pm.

I think Cheese is like in everyone's role pm tbh

That claim sounds legit but I can see it being a scum role.

Unless this is a weird game where flavor is not alignment indicative and then we just speedlim anyone who doesn't know what a dilf stands for (I do).

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I meant, unless it's a weird game where flavor IS alignment indicative.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

If they are intentionally not claiming despite ample chance to then you dont need the claim

This feels like a bit like trying to push the vote to completion before Ircher could arrive to claim.

I thought it sounded like TMI about Ircher being a strong power role and not wanting Orcher to out their role, but Idk how scum would ever know that.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

@Ircher, I know why you scumread Titus circa 600 posts ago, why are you scumreading her now?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Hmm

Again it seems like Ircher might just be town by VCA

All of my other scumreads seem to want him dead, or be fine with it

Gonna go back here

VOTE: pisskop

Who are the scumreads that want him dead?

Unless I'm mixing up your reads with someone else's (sorry if that's the case), aren't you townreading the people who have been Ircher's most vocal pushers?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

cause that hood thing, hu tao is gonna be scum for sure

, but like that’d make pisskop probably town, and this page just screams piss/furtive partners

y???

[Broccoli Quest 2]

VCA

Show your work here, cuz thats a bold statement.

Im willing to bet you know we're both town

My work is a line down in the same post.

Everyone is fine with voting Ircher.

I don't feel that's true? I felt a bunch of people were hovering around Ircher's wagon but not really pushing it, and it got pushed to E-1 early and then disintegrated right after Ircher failed to deliver a towny post.

If anything this looks like scum tried to distance without any intent to get him limmed.

PEDIT: Aureal is in the "do not vote Day 1 list", sorry.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

If you gon vote Aureal at least make a scum case for it.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I kind of feel like a 2 person hood makes us more likely to be town, but a lot of people claimed to be in a hood with Hu.

But she's MINE

I don't recall anyone except you claiming to be in a hood?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Actually I just dumb, obviously you are right

[Broccoli Quest 2]

furtive

How the hell does that become “FA”?

It's a throwback to FA being on the same team as FG on team mafia (if I recall correctly)

[Broccoli Quest 2]

a private topic has been leaked! click here.
a private topic has been leaked! click here.
a private topic has been leaked! click here.
a private topic has been leaked! click here.

@Aureal I'm offended you think I would TvT you here after I literally unvoted you at your request in our last game and apologized for even thinking of voting you.

Yes I was scum, but I genuinely did it because I didn't want to tilt you

[Broccoli Quest 2]

first of all, don't vote aureal this game since I need to white knight her so she knows our tvt era is over.

second of all, i have quite a few thoughts about neighborhoods but i'm tired so i'll post them when i'm less tired.

Thirdly, hu tao please come to our new neighborhood since i need to discuss things with you.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Also lost access to the hoods.

you have a new one

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Since you're my top town read. Thoughts on other hoods?

My main thought right now is I want to sleep. Everything else, later.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

VOTE: Titus

Drew and Aureal, please just answer yes/no to the following question and no need to actually claim your own role:

Does it say in your role PM that Hu Tao is a duck/goose?

The answer is "no" 99% of the time, but if it is "yes" then I have a theory.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Andante please ISO Ircher and TItus side by side and tell me what you think.

PEDIT: why not? I was getting weird vibes from everyone having cheese in their flavor, I also had cheese in my own flavor, I wanted to see if this is something speculate-able.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

also d1 I thought broccoli was the towniest one here, yet they didn’t die… I do not like this broccoli/ hu tao hood

I'm also surprised I didn't die to be 100% honest.


Also, whoops!

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Does it say in your role PM that Hu Tao is a duck/goose?

*honks at having the same info on Hu Tao as the vegetable does*

PEDIT: why not? I was getting weird vibes from everyone having cheese in their flavor, I also had cheese in my own flavor, I wanted to see if this is something speculate-able.

*honks weirdly*

huh?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

broccoli is too obsessed with roles in that pt, and not at all caring about anyone’s alignments

Maybe because I'm caring about people's alignments in the main thread? The point of a private topic is to have a place to share my PRIVATE thoughts, and I feel mech speculation is more of a private thought compared to reads on people

already did that, how about you iso hu tao and ircher

Sure I'll do that after work today.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

ircher flipped cheese thief and in that pt, you literally went “DO YOU HAVE CHEESE” as like one of the first things you said to hu tao… am i not supposed to be suspicious of that?

let me show you something:

*honks angrily at five pages and demands cheese instead*

Aureal gets a D1 pass

we got the first 1 hour and 56 minutes out of the way, time really flies huh.

you all having fun?

*honks impatiently and starts going through Skygazer's kitchen, as surely Gamma can't be the only one who has cheese*

*honks angrily at five pages and demands cheese instead*

a lot of cheese in this game.. I have several types if you are interested. Soft and hard

I think half this game has expressed an interest in cheese? I was thinking that was just a rare easter egg

Imagine seeing all this, having cheese in your own role PM, and not going "hmmmm is something up with cheese???? I want to figure this out!!!"

And that's on top of me being a milf, AK being a dilf, Aureal being a goose, Drew being (presumably) a duck, and Hu Tao being a duck/mallard (I didn't fully get how that works), and all these players except Hu Tao and Drew expressing affinity to cheese.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Gamma you should hammer!!!!

I’d still rather flip pk, and there’s time still

pisskop slot will fall into place eventually, Ircher won’t

That’s not a bad argument
VOTE: Ircher

Woooooo death!

This feels unpartnered with each other and with Ircher

But I townread these 2 regardless of that

i need to sleep on this. I’m certain on hu tao being scum, broccoli not dying and that entire PT being “DO YOU HAVE CHEESE? WHAT IS YOUR ROLE??” has me tempted to just yeet broccoli here, I was so convinced on broccoli town after that flip, now… not so much

*honks quizzically at scum theater PT?*

I'm also confused. Is Andante saying me and Hu Tao are partnered?



Also, here's a ranking of people by how much I want to vote them right now:

Celery* tier:
Gamma, Meuh, Aureal.
These are people I simply won't be voting before Day 4, unless someone has a hard guilty on them.

Healthy salad tier:
Hu Tao, Andante, Drew, Furtive
These are people I'm not really interested in voting right now but if you present a SOLID (not like what Andante and Hu Tao have been doing this page) scum case on them I might be convinced to vote them.

The lone carrot:
HPE
Aka, null. (with a slight townlean due to meta)

One of these is a tomato*:
Pisskop, Titus
Well, remember how I said I'm 90% Ircher was scum and I was right? Right now I'm 90% on one of these being an Ircher partner.



*this is shamelessly ripped off from Meuh in VCM

[Broccoli Quest 2]

VOTE: Titus

Drew and Aureal, please just answer yes/no to the following question and no need to actually claim your own role:

Does it say in your role PM that Hu Tao is a duck/goose?

The answer is "no" 99% of the time, but if it is "yes" then I have a theory.

my role explicitly mentions ponds and ducks.

given my flavor id imagine theres does too

Yes I know, that's why I asked Drew and Aureal

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I have a theory but I don't want to say it before I get Drew's input.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

VOTE: furtive

having onceovered the hoods i think the solve is probably titus/furtive/hpe/drew

Then pease vote Titus.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

you wanted to lim me over ircher

seems pretty scummy to me, when coupled with aliannas play

Why? Do you not believe he was scumreading you? /genq

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Celery* tier:
Gamma, Meuh, Aureal.
These are people I simply won't be voting before Day 4, unless someone has a hard guilty on them.

Healthy salad tier:
Hu Tao, Andante, Drew, Furtive
These are people I'm not really interested in voting right now but if you present a SOLID (not like what Andante and Hu Tao have been doing this page) scum case on them I might be convinced to vote them.

The lone carrot:
HPE
Aka, null. (with a slight townlean due to meta)

One of these is a tomato*:
Pisskop, Titus
Well, remember how I said I'm 90% Ircher was scum and I was right? Right now I'm 90% on one of these being an Ircher partner.



*this is shamelessly ripped off from Meuh in VCM

The second I saw celery I was getting flashbacks lmao

There you go, much better

I love meuh.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Mr G. Lance is on

fire

He's

cool

He's

ON POINT

Some might say he's

spitting

But I say... I say he's

killin it

[Broccoli Quest 2]

UNVOTE:

[Broccoli Quest 2]

honestly you two should stop fighting and just kill titus, thanks.

But speedlims are bad so like, let's wait for titus to come back and do her vca magic and explain her aureal push and maybe also explain her meuh scumread and push as well, and then decide if we kill her anyway or if we want to let FA duke it out with PK-47.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

must've missed your explanation

so you think pisskop is scum? with or without titus?

because it would be hilarious if this:

Still not interested in pisskop lim here.

What are your reads?

The greenest of them all
Andante

pisskop

Like lettuce in a salad
Broccoli Quest 2

As yellow as the sun
Everyone not listed

Crimson red

Titus

had both his partners

[Broccoli Quest 2]

FA? Are people reading Furtivegl Ance?

I've got that a couple times and A is nowhere near G on the keyboard

nah i'm just trolling you

Here's a meme explantion though:

furtive

How the hell does that become “FA”?

It's a throwback to FA being on the same team as FG on team mafia (if I recall correctly)

[Broccoli Quest 2]

you wanted to lim me over ircher

seems pretty scummy to me, when coupled with aliannas play

I don't see why there couldn't have been several scum wagons yesterday. I think most of the louder players are town.

Ircher kept refusing to vote your slot, and AK unvoted Ircher at E-1. It's not really +town of you to push Ircher in the way you did given the only alternative was you.

Ircher was playing like a doomed slot with his vacant read walls. I wanted more data too.

Right now, I'm seeing the same slots that wanted to counter Ircher opening up doing the same thing on me again which suggests they put no effort into reading the thread at all.

Yeah, I just like Aureal, Broccoli and Drew as my pool skimming the VCs yesterday.

Uh, what?

Me and Aureal were some of Ircher's biggest pushers. If anything you haven't put any effort into reading the thread lol.

I'm right now pretty sure you are scum, so if you are town you better:
1. Town it up
2. Re-evaluate your reads on me and Aureal and make an effort to find someone actually scummy
3. When you call someone scum, have some sort of case on them rather than whatever this nonsense is.

Anyway @Sailor Moon are you joining this scum wagon?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

you wanted to lim me over ircher

seems pretty scummy to me, when coupled with aliannas play

I don't see why there couldn't have been several scum wagons yesterday. I think most of the louder players are town.

Ircher kept refusing to vote your slot, and AK unvoted Ircher at E-1. It's not really +town of you to push Ircher in the way you did given the only alternative was you.

Ircher was playing like a doomed slot with his vacant read walls. I wanted more data too.

Right now, I'm seeing the same slots that wanted to counter Ircher opening up doing the same thing on me again which suggests they put no effort into reading the thread at all.

Yeah, I just like Aureal, Broccoli and Drew as my pool skimming the VCs yesterday.

Uh, what?

Me and Aureal were some of Ircher's biggest pushers. If anything you haven't put any effort into reading the thread lol.

I'm right now pretty sure you are scum, so if you are town you better:
1. Town it up
2. Re-evaluate your reads on me and Aureal and make an effort to find someone actually scummy
3. When you call someone scum, have some sort of case on them rather than whatever this nonsense is.

Anyway @Sailor Moon are you joining this scum wagon?

Aureal did vote with Ircher for a lot of the day.

And you think scum!Aureal would just follow her partner around?

Like sure, she did vote with Ircher. But there are a lot of good reasons that she is town and I don't like the fact that Titus is simply ignoring them.

I'm gonna vote Pisskop instead of Titus. Titus is a second choice at the moment.

Pisskop is increasingly engaging with me in bad faith and seems to be desperately clinging to a scumread of me rather than ever re-evaluating or even just thinking about the game in any real depth.

VOTE: Pisskop

I don't want to vote pisskop until my (currently undisclosed) neighbors theory is either confirmed or refuted. which is why drew needs to get here and claim flavor and specifically claim what info he has on hu tao.

My gut tells me that pk giving off bad vibes is possibly a towntell for him

I kinda agree

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

I think Andante's a very possible scum candidate.

Hmmm trueeee

That's why I gave her separately.


Random thought and an open question to everyone:

Do you think this and this are townie reactions to being called an IC?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

@pisskop I don't think there's a singular bastard aspect to this game. The fact there's a a role PM with a name in the OP, combined with no full flips, combined with whatever is going on regarding neighborhoods... are all pretty bastard.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

I’d like to make Andante a full member and switch FG out for hu tao?

Hmmmmmm

I really wanna say yes but Ho Tao hasn't been active for a while and I'm slightly concerned about that.

Does anyone here know Hu Tao's meta? As I said in my leaked neighborhood, it's my first game with her.

Pedit: Titus, why is my agenda proscum? What do you think I should be pushing right now, with the reads I have?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Broccoli, why were you on a lot of counters to Ircher?

I am fuming at this post.

Like I actually wrote an all-caps toxic response to it but then deleted it because I hate being toxic.

I'm also sleep deprived right now and not thinking clearly, so a proper response will come after 8 hours of sleep.

I will just note for now that this question is hypocritical in the extreme coming from Titus, who the second it looked like Ircher was actually going to be the lim, tried to steer into an Aureal wagon, despite having a vague scumread on Ircher the entirety of Day 1.

Good night everyone.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

*links up with suspiciously green broccoli to form the giant robot VeggiBird, honks the attack button*

VOTE: TITUS

Thanks I needed this

oh by the by, idk if it was mentioned, but I got a new hood with hu

I mentioned it for you, so you wouldn't need to.

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

I’d like to make Andante a full member and switch FG out for hu tao?

I'm hurt broccoli still doesn't tr me

I did NOT say I don't TR you. I said I'm slightly wary of adding you to the townblock (even though I'm really tempted to). Not the same thing.

I don't really get this sentiment. Hypocrisy is inevitable in mafia.

1. Would it help if I repeated that I was sleep deprived and therefore my brain was not in optimum state?
2. It's only inevitable if you think Titus is either scum or really disingenuous town, both of which justify being upset.

This is a very weird way of going up to bat for Titus don't you think? Hypocrisy and contradictions aren't something to brush off as "inevitable" as if it we shouldn't scrutinize them.

Ooooh I'm liking HPE now

VOTE: Aureal

Huh??

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I started writing a big scum case on Titus, but then I looked at her ISO and saw things that disproved a (medium-sized) part of my case, so now I feel I need to sort the slot a bit more before I continue pushing heavily.

Broccoli and furtiveglance would stand out by VCA.

But my strongest scumreads didn't get on now that I look

.

I feel the pisskop wagon is on town but I could just be assuming it's town because I'm town.

cyan - What does that make you feel?
pink - I could see this being a town thought, maybe.

Okay I want to engage with you in good faith in case you ARE town, so could you please answer these things that are bothering me:
1. Weren't you thinking that Aureal was scummy for a bad defense of Ircher? And if that's the case, why didn't you push them as partners yesterday? Like it felt to me you wanted Aureal as an alternative wagon to Ircher (especially when you voted her right as he was about to flip - that's why I feel like you have associatives with Ircher).
2. Why are you asking me specifically why I was on alternative wagons to Ircher when you, furtive, and a bunch of other people also voted people who are not Ircher, and unlike you and furtive I was actually on Ircher throughout the entire EOD? Do you think I actually spent Day 1 just powerbussing my partner from the get go as scum? I don't really get this.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

@Broccoli- I was on some. Yet you were on me furtiveglance, and AK/pisskop? I just want to know why. I don't get why sorting you triggers this reaction.

Aureal is glad to glom onto your overreaction which is suspect in its own right.

It triggers this reaction because the questioning is disingenuous. Why are you not asking Furtive why HE voted PK? Why are you not asking anyone else who was on PK for that matter?
My own vote on AK was clearly a vote made at HPE's request, as a way to apologize for making a grave mistake in reading her post (the slot was null so I felt voting it was not going to be the end of the world) (oh and btw I was literally on AK for a single page so calling it "being on a counter wagon" is even more disingenuous than I thought). And I voted furtive because I scumread him, duh.

Like, what did you expect me to do? To vote non-scummy people like gamma and meuh? Or did you think I should have just vote parked and advocated for us to skip Day 1 by having Ircher hammered on page 14 when there were a bunch of slots I hadn't sorted yet? Like obviously if Ircher wasn't going to provide content I was going to go after other slots in the meantime to generate content and reads, why is that something you even have to ask about?

I just don't really see where this line of questioning is going to lead you and it has no bearing on "sorting me" at all when you can read my posts and find out why I voted these people.

So yes, to me this reads as a stupid, irritating, misreppy, and loaded question, because (a) since when is it a requirement that 100% of your Day 1 votes will be on flipped scum? (b) my voting has been extremely unquestionable if you actually read my posts, and (c) it's not like I was ever in favor of not limming Ircher. And it's not like I didn't go back to voting Ircher when I felt ready to end the day on him. Again, ifbyou read my posts my #1 push was Ircher and I was his #1 pusher (yes I know gamma and Hu Tao vote parked for a while, but it's not like they kept pushing him while his wagon was dormant). so you are trying to paint me as someone who has been trying to steer the lim away from ircher when I am the one who steered it back to ircher after doing a bit of poking elsewhere (and yes, it's pro town to poke other slots even when you think one slot is probably scum, because that's how you get reads and associatives and everything else you need to solve).

And you questioning me on "why are you getting this reaction when I am trying to sort you" is also disingenuous because what you are doing is not sorting, it's disengenuously framing my actions as looking for an ircher counter wagon, when I was simply doing what every townie should be doing Day 1 - playing the game.

An additional thought while proofreading this post: I also want to mention that if you actually read the context of my vote on AK instead of just ASSUME I'm counterwagoning for Ircher, you will see that right after I voted I unvoted and then went for Irhcer and led the wagon that led to his lim - so if anything, if PK flipped scum and Ircher flipped town, THEN you'd be justified in saying I was the driving force behind a scum counter wagon.

also:

I don't see why BQ would take it so badly.

Sleep deprivation tends to make you a lot worse at being rational and a lot more prone to emotionality, in my experience.

Also I was already annoyed with you saying "Are you not looking at VCs?" at me.

Also it's not the hypocrisy that's making me mad, it's the fucking ignorance in titus's posting when she's asking me "why were you on a lot of ircher counters?"

Like, it's a loaded question that assumes I was on these wagons because they were ircher counters, rather than because I wanted to be on these wagons regardless of ircher, and this assumption has no basis in reality.





ANYWAYS, I have better things to do today than argue with a bunch of people on the internet, so I am going to log off for now and I'll make a full scum case of Titus when I log back on (probably after the weekend).

[Broccoli Quest 2]

@Broccoli- I was on some. Yet you were on

me

furtiveglance, and AK/pisskop? I just want to know why. I don't get why sorting you triggers this reaction.

Aureal is glad to glom onto your overreaction which is suspect in its own right.

And I voted furtive

and you

because I scumread

both of you

, duh.

EBWOP - missed the red word, added the blue words.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Sorry for misgendering you HPE!

I have no idea how this happened but it won't happen again

[Broccoli Quest 2]

VOTE: Andante

In the interest of provoking some new content.

But I also believe in this vote somewhat.

you believe i flip scum? believe in this vote more than anyone else?

Probably second to pisskop, and no one else seems interested in that vote right now.

1. Sell me on pisskop
2. Sell me on Andante
3. Sell me on town!Titus.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

HOLY SHIT

I had the same thought

Like, it's not my go-to solve, but I was thinking, if Titus is somehow town then this is my backup solve

ALSO

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

LOL

Lol

lol

This reaction is freaking me out.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Love you too, mysterious Broccoli indivifual!

Yay!

@Broccoli - I don't consider you as "powerbussing" Ircher. That's part of the issue. If you are town, we see the game differently. To me, based on memory, I don't feel anyone fits that description.

Then you should really reread the game. There's no way you gonna catch scum with associative reads / VCA if you don't remember basic details such as who was the driving force behind the Ircher wagon.

I asked you in particular because I'm trying to tell if you mistakenly townread Aureal in good faith.

How is this a good faith question to ask. Why are you just assuming aureal is scum?

Also how does my voting of you/furt/AK relate to my read on Aureal?

As for why I didn't push Aureal and Ircher as partners, that occurred to be after the hammer. I felt Aureal might have been driving a miselimination through by shading me as partners with Ircher. Aureal's primary goal since I FoSed her has been discrediting me rather than looking for scum.

She's seeking to heighten drama between you and me. Her last post after you basically accused my questioning of being toxic was to rile you up.

I'll be 100% honest - not only I did not accuse you of being toxic (though that's not really the point), I don't think Aureal has been doing anything like that? She made a joke post where she voted you after both of us having already voted you. And where exactly has she been discrediting you?

She's been pushing you as scum, that's not the same thing as discrediting you (I think? At least it implies a different connotation. Like I think both my push on you and hers were done in good faith)

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I'm going to say this in a separate post because this is something important:

I was not accusing ANYONE of being toxic this game. I said that I really didn't like a certain post by titus (and also another post by furt), and that made ME almost respond in a toxic way.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

disagree on hu tao

disagree on Furt

(But also disagree on Hu)

Drew you keep accumulating unanswered questions:
1. Why do you scumread Aureal
2. Why was I suss Day 1 and what was the "obvious reason"?
3. Are you a duck, and/or does your flavor imply Hu Tao is a duck?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

And before everyone freaks out and says that I'm rolefishing, I'm 90% sure that Drew's role is mechanically equivalent to mine, and I'm just trying to settle an inconsistency regarding the flavors of the neighbors

[Broccoli Quest 2]

guys it's not meeeeeee

I'm really trying my best not to be toxic right now but people suspecting me of being mafia when they are also potential suspects for being mafia just really drives me up the wall because it's not FAIR!

I feel personally called out by this

was it really that bad?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

HOLY SHIT

I had the same thought

Like, it's not my go-to solve, but I was thinking, if Titus is somehow town then this is my backup solve

ALSO

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

LOL

Lol

lol

This reaction is freaking me out.

Come on - this is hilarious:

is now a bad time to say I think the solve is just furtive and hu tao?

and it's not an omgus, I've been thinking it

Hmmmmm maybe

I saw it as scum laughing in a discrediting way, but I can see it as town laughing in a "holy shit this is wild" way.

Anyway I don't think you explained your read on Andante, or pk (at least not recently).

[Broccoli Quest 2]

This is a semi-prodge.

BQ2: I'm interested in your insights based on yesterday's posting. Quote some stuff, comment on it - who looks good/bad?

Yesterday's posting which I skimmed over made me want to kill myself.

I do agree with your assessment that Ircher spewed Andante town. I also think Ircher spewed Titus and/or pisskop as scum. (ctrl+f "crimson" in his iso)

More thoughts later today.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Looking back on Ircher he thought Broccoli and I were masons together jumping at him for the claim early. Broccoli is back to lock town for me again

Okay this is a pretty good argument for town!Hu Tao andi don't think scum!Hu Tao would bring it up in this way right now, so I'm fine with just treating Hu Tao as a mason buddy like she's been on Day 1. In fact I want to treat the hood with Hu Tao, who has a hood with Aureal, as a triple masonry where we're all conftown to each other (you don't have to reciprocate, but just know I'll vouch for you and not vote you, mason buddies)

I think what makes the most sense is just to take Ircher/Titus at face value and TR Titus for it.

I disagree

It feels like Ircher/Titus has been the most obvious distancing to ever exist in a game of mafia.

HOWEVER, since you guys are clearly more interested in pisskop, since pisskop ALSO has associations with Ircher (as Furtive pointed out), and since I'm treating Hu Tao and Aureal as masons (which means pisskop/Drew is scum), I'm going to relent and let you have your way (i.e. we vote pisskop today and titus tomorrow).

VOTE: pisskop

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Nah

I wish people voted titus

I still think you have a decent chance to flip scum (above rand but less than 50%), so am willing to compromise

if u want, please vote titus with me

pedit: DO you accept one maf in the hoods? Or are you just voting Drew in the hope to save your skin?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

BQ2: I'm interested in your insights based on yesterday's posting. Quote some stuff, comment on it - who looks good/bad?

Anyone voting Andante (except you because you changed to pisskop) is crazy.

Aureal is like 100% town unless you think she basically decided to spend 80% of her effort this game on pocketing me by posting stuff in a hood I wasn't even a part of and which it is very unlikely for her to have known was going to leak. If she is scum and decided to pocket me that way, props to her I guess because I'm not voting her this game.

I have no idea what titus and meuh have been talking about and honestly i don't really care enough to try and figure that out right now.

i just read andante's readlist and i still don't scumread her but i'm very confused as to where she's actually standing and who she wants to push

@andante could you like, describe your top two preferences for voting today, and why?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Sorry Andante did say she wants Furtive or Hu Tao. I just don't understand what exactly she's townreading about Titus and what exactly she's scumreading about Furtive (I mean except going off Ircher to chase pisskop, but Titus did the same thing 10000 times worse).

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I think youre trying to hold ircher/piss team in your head while also trying to push titus/maybedrew. It doesnt feel like you have a preference over where you vote, as long as you can get a lim

That's a lie, I don't want to push Drew here like ever

Your titus wagon hasnt really resulted in any progress made on the game. Nobody is really digging into her.

Good point, I'll post a full scum case on her later on today.

VOTE: Titus anyways.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Hmmm I think HPE has a point.

pisskop, are you just sheeping or genuinely scumreading titus?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Hmmm I think HPE has a point.

pisskop, are you just sheeping or genuinely scumreading titus?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Can you please walk me through how did you go from indifferent in 1315 to a vote on Titus?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

i was voting titus at the start of the day.

You were, huh

Why does hpe have a point?

scum LOVES to place E-1 and hammer votes on slots which they feel confident would be today's lim, in my experience (regardless of the slot's alignment). A vote with no explanation and no stated E-1 is greater than rand scum, IMO.

youre trying too hard

"tryhard" is like, my middle name.

Broccoli Quest Tryhard Johnson Le Roux

If you think I'm trying to hard then surely you have an explanation of why you voted, even a stupid one.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I keep procrastinating with that scumcase on Titus. Anyone here wamts to remind me to do that?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

do you wanna slack off on analyzing titus's iso together

I accept!

Also I has to sleep now so I will slack off with you tomorrow

I'll just say before I sleep that I've never seen town (or scum, to be fair) crumbing a fake guilty. I don't really see why that's something that titus points at proudly as a way to confirm herself as town. But I also don't know why she would do it as scum.

I think I need to sleep on it. Please don't hammer this while I sleep, thanks.

Pedit: I really hate posts like this one though:

there’s no way it’s drew, who even brought up that idea?? did you ISO drew and ircher??

I don't need to. His reactions in the last 48 hours are autoscum.

Like, the amount of times I've seen scum say this is probably 3x the amount of times I've seen town say this.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Hmmmm I noticed that the fact that I am v/la disappeared from the VCs, so let me restate that:
@Mod (and @everyone) I am V/LA until like thursday, hopefully (or friday, less hopefully)

Hopefully that explains my spotty activity in recent days.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

oh, and the games that required the modkill are over, so we can talk about it now. not much to talk about, though, it was just an unfortunate accident. we tried to just let things lie, but it became clearer and clearer that it was impacting reads across multiple games, so we decided it was best to rip off the band-aid. Doctor Drew's replacement was a better safe than sorry situation. apologies for how that played out.

What caused Drew's replacement?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Oh I forgot to green!

Anyway, I am so frustrated by this loss because I literally had a theory (in Theta Alpine's thread) about scum!Hu Tao but I never voiced it.

And also there was a post by Furt where he asked why I'm not townbinning Hu Tao and I wrote a rambling rant about how there's PLENTY of reasons not to townbin her but I was having a bad day and the post came out kinda shitty toward furtive so I deleted it, and then I never properly cased her and yeah.

However! Good job to the scum team, you did play pretty well considering you won with like a bazillion conftowns and several people obvtowning.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

And yeah, thanks for modding sky! Pretty cool setup.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

oh, and the games that required the modkill are over, so we can talk about it now. not much to talk about, though, it was just an unfortunate accident. we tried to just let things lie, but it became clearer and clearer that it was impacting reads across multiple games, so we decided it was best to rip off the band-aid. Doctor Drew's replacement was a better safe than sorry situation. apologies for how that played out.

what was the reason for the modkill?

Titus accidentally claimed her role from a different game in this game, which basically "proved" her role in the other game as the correct role (since mafia presumably would not slip about a fake claim).

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I do have one thing to be proud of, though - the towncore I suggested to Gamma was all town!

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Not sure
I want to try to form a townblock and find scum via PoE atp

Here's a townblock:
You, me, FG, Meuh, Aureal. You can also add Andante if you want to.

I’d like to make Andante a full member and switch FG out for hu tao?

Hmmmmmm

I really wanna say yes but Ho Tao hasn't been active for a while and I'm slightly concerned about that.

Does anyone here know Hu Tao's meta? As I said in my leaked neighborhood, it's my first game with her.

Pedit: Titus, why is my agenda proscum? What do you think I should be pushing right now, with the reads I have?

Hu Tao was so early and constant on the Ircher wagon. Are you not looking at VCs?

I am a clown sorry BQ

Apology accepted