Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Kaguya Houraisan]

VOTE: Sanae

It's a Moriya Shrine conspiracy

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Out of all of the cute Anime girls I get stuck with the clown :/

VOTE: Eternity Larva

uPicked

Mod notes are confusing.

Each player has approximately a 50% chance that their Account Name and the Role Name are the same. Kagerou is apparently in the 50% that are different, and

Kagerou Imaizumi (account name) is confirmed to be Marisa Kirisame (role name)

What made you ask about name generation?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I like Ichirins posts

i'm currently getting townvibes from Clownpiece, Yuuka, and Ichirin

i think Tenshi's posts surrounding the account name vs. role name discussion sound a little awkward, feels like she's jumping at the chance to talk about something to seem like she's contributing without really saying anything

i also don't really like Daiyousei's entrance but she defended my honor so she gets a free pass for the first ten pages

What's so bad about Daiyousei's entrance? Apart from the fact that she called me a Youkai when i'm actually a Werewolf

Werewolves are a type of Youkai, it's an umbrella term

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Scum having access to each others flavors mostly, although in retrospect info slips seem unlikely out of the type of players who would join an anon game.

VOTE: Tenshi

[Kaguya Houraisan]

The push/retract feels off, though I can't quite put a finger on why

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Dai just seems like they wanna have fun yeah, NAI

Agreed, Dai seems to be fitting the mold of a very big touhou fan roleplaying as Daiyousei which given the fairy-type speech is probably throwing Larva off

[Kaguya Houraisan]

What does everyone think about Yuuka's claim? I'm kinda on the side of thinking it's more likely to be a scum role

If Yuuka is Yuuka then it nails the flavor given that Perfect Memento in Strict Sense (good source for the Human perspective of different Youkai) describes her Threat Level as Very High and Friendship with Humans level as Worst while she's also described as visiting the Human Village and coming off as polite in other sources

[Kaguya Houraisan]

From a pure lore perspective it's slightly townie but not by that much since you could also make it work with her feared reputation for the scum flavoring and either way she'd probably claim it as both town and scum

[Kaguya Houraisan]

If Yuuka isn't Yuuka though then this of course all goes out the window, either way though I think the way to judge it would be through the flavor

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Yuuka can you go into any more detail about the flavor/message of your miller ability?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Setup Information

• Alignments have been randomized before designing the setup. This did not factor into how I designed my setup.

I don't think the miller claim is alignment indicative if I'm reading this right?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

From the wording it looks like Yuuka was always going to have this ability

[Kaguya Houraisan]

UNVOTE:

Kaguyas vote on me feels the worst given they pursued a similar line of thought, although mine was seemingly unclear.

There's a key assumption you're making here that's leading you astray. Regardless my question for Clownpiece was focused more on why those numbers came up while yours was focused on why she knew about flavor not matching to account names in the first place

[Kaguya Houraisan]

What made you ask about name generation?

This does not seem about how those numbers were generated and seems like what I just said, but can I have an outside opinion?

Asking about how the numbers came up was my intention :\

[Kaguya Houraisan]

In hindsight it probably din't come off that way

[Kaguya Houraisan]

The Kagerou Townblock Trio :

Marisa / Kaguya / Reisen

i swear i have my reasons

I believe the youngsters these days would describe this as "absolutely cooked"

Also you're probably

not

in the scum PT

?

Their scum partners would explain what clownpiece was talking about.

I can count on one hand the number of games here where people actually use the scum chat enough for this to have happened

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I am ~fine~ with Kaguya's iso.

Their progression on Tenshi feels in line with my own, although their vote and unvote both come after other people either started pushing there or started unvoting, so its worth a little less then general.

Although

I like Ichirins posts

Kaguya, what about Ichirin's posts at this point did you like?

I thought sie mixed up Clownpieces name randomization talk with the "Do you want a full random name vs randomized from your choices" from pregame but on reread that's not actually what happened

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Liking Koishi on page 9 and Aya's roleplaying has already pocketed me

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Koishi's probably town

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I have reason to believe Dai is town

[Kaguya Houraisan]

VOTE: Kagerou

[Kaguya Houraisan]

And hey, here's Kaguya, so it CLEARLY did something.

I contracted touchgrassitis, Eirin says it's permanent

[Kaguya Houraisan]

also about the Marisa / Kaguya hood, how substantially have you talked in it Kaguya?

Marisa/Sanae hood, not Marisa/Kaguya

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I feel like most of the chaos this game can be attributed to people mixing up names

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'm town

[Kaguya Houraisan]

well she says she's town

Sometimes simple is best

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'm town

How very kneejerk of you.

What does this mean

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Is there like some mathematical formula to calculate how many people need to be voting me before I'm allowed to say I'm town?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

VOTE: ichirin

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Official Day Two Beer Club

Eternity Larva
Marisa Kirisame
Clownpiece
Kagerou Imaizumi
Yuuka Kazami

I think that club should probably lock at... 6-7 names? Need to find one or two more good solid town-reads then start sorting the leftovers.

Here's the player list sorted by post count, which is where the issue springs to life...

Kagerou Imaizumi 68
Yuuka Kazami 57
Koishi Komeiji 54
Clownpiece 50
Marisa Kirisame 46

Ichirin Kumoi 41
Sanae Kochiya 38

Eternity Larva 37

Kaguya Houraisan 29
Tenshi Hinanawi 27
Reisen Udongein Inaba 22
Daiyousei 13
Aya Shameimaru 9


Everyone sees the issue here? Yeah...

My bias to town read active players is a massive issue this game if there's at least one, but definitely if there's two, high-energy scum.

Lowposters of the game unite, you have nothing to lose but your scumreaders

Also Koishi the Second is still town

[Kaguya Houraisan]

With the amount of charisma floating around this game if you try to POE you'll probably lose

What are the rest of your townreads looking like?

Already dumped my reads in the thread.

And can you explain the dai one?

I'd rather not. Mostly just good vibes, a good post, and something else

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I want to shoot a high-charisma meh slot

VOTE: Marisa

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I can be persuaded to move to someone else but in that case I still want to be aiming for the same general archetype. Everyone here is bare minimum surface-level townie which tends to indicate that scum don't have a weak link and/or have a strong link keeping the game on track.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I want to shoot a high-charisma meh slot

VOTE: Marisa

Not really liking the idea of going for the generally towny slots as, even in the event that Marisa is indeed scum i think this is more likely to fail than not

but i'm cool with seeing where your head's going regardless, why Marisa specifically?

First person I ISO'd that fit the bill, like I said I can be persuaded to go for someone else fitting the archetype

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Question for you though: is Marisa townie because she's doing town indicative stuff or is she townie because her charisma makes you feel like she's town

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Gone for 12 hours and come back to 15 pages, can we exterminate all hyperposters? /hj

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I want to shoot a high-charisma meh slot

VOTE: Marisa

I do not like this vote.

I just wish it had a qualified list of who the high charisma slots are and why Marisa is meh in particular. The latter is strewn throughout their iso I think, but the former isn't a matter of consensus yet so I'm curious to see how Kaguya ranks them. Is she using my list? The vote count rank? Charisma doesn't always equal post count so very curious to see these details once Kaguya returns to the thread.

I'm generally using Charisma as a proxy for that X-factor that gets people scumread/townread while doing the exact same thing. In this case Marisa was pretty widely townread but when I actually looked at her ISO it was pretty barren outside of just dropping lightly explained reads. No real poking or prodding or interrogation

Other high charisma slots I'd need to reread so if you actually want it let me know so I can save myself the busywork

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Mafiascum: Where if you're having fun while playing mafia, don't that's scummy don't try.

mood

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I have zero interest in an Aya wagon.

kinda agree

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I have zero interest in an Aya wagon.

kinda agree

This is not a free pass to AtE more townreads from me though, lets keep this game chill

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Don't ask me to decide which one is scum, by the way. I'll pick the one that's currently frustrating me, as opposed to having a real read on them. I just know that interaction does not go that way between two townies and I sorta doubt it goes that way between two scum trying to have a chat about how to play something out in the main thread instead of the PT.

I'd argue this could also be S/S given that most scum just post in the main thread spontaneously instead of planning anything out, but yeah it's really stilted

[Kaguya Houraisan]

the quiet link if you prefer

just saying this game has a lot of charismatic players which raises the bar for everyone involved

pedit : I would like to get scratched under my ears yes

Okay first task, please list the charismatic players from your POV, bonus half-step point if you rank them within the list.

most charisma
Marisa
Larva
Clownpiece
New!Koichi
Sanae
least but still charming

i would also like to include Yuuka as while her play is different there's absolutely a degree of social confidence to it that i classify as charisma

i gotta admit that's least than i estimated when thinking at first but half the game is already pretty good

I think that the sort of players who are likely to sign up for this in the first place are the sort of players that would be generally viewed as 'charistmatic', so it doesn't really surprise me. There might be scum in the charismatic players but I'm not sure this approach is going to help me solve the game either

I'm here for the Touhou

[Kaguya Houraisan]

None of these complete wagons spark joy. I am concerned about that.

True

[Kaguya Houraisan]

The assaulted one is the post you’re looking for in exhibit A for” this can’t possibly be real/serious”

They never said it was a joke.
So, I’m not taking it as one.

Horrendous take

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Reisen is a slot that has been weirdly written off for reasons i have yet to identify and they are the only player in this whole game that hasn't had one post that made me think "this comes from town"

Good point

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'm just here because I like Touhou.

Can't believe I got beaten to the punch like this

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Caught up, brain fried, time to go back to hibernating

VOTE: Yuuka

Gonna break from the mould here

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I could still vote Kaguya after their catch up posts.

Is this a POE meh ISO thing or is there some kind of actual scumread behind it

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I read your catch up posts a couple times, and my overwhelming response was : "meh"

So my opinion has not been swayed.

I on the other hand read them as was left feeling whelmed.

The irony of calling them meh after their vote on Marisa is not lost on me though!

Hypocrisy is my charm point

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I just want to know who else you actually looked at to qualify the statement of "I want to shoot a high charisma meh slot" or if you always wanted Marisa and just added that rest on as a descriptor.

The process:

1. See that one post someone made about townreading the hyperposters
   
2. Realise that most of the playerlist is doing that
   
3. Stare at the playerlist and find who fits from memory
   
4. ISO to confirm
   
5. Skip checking who else fits due to running out of energy reserves and figuring someone else would do it for me once the ball got rolling

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I could still vote Kaguya after their catch up posts.

Is this a POE meh ISO thing or is there some kind of actual scumread behind it

I’m not Clown, but yeah.
What are you doing?

Attempting to keep up with the hyperposters dropping double digit pagecounts between the times I actually have time to do more than skim the game

Being able to livechat would probably help with not running out of energy before I even finish catching up

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I have stared at the playerlist, and picked out the people who I think have given me enough ~vibes~ that I feel like they should make it past day 1. (List sorted by playerlist order, not by strength of read. I did not give it that much thought lmao)

Tenshi, Aya, Yuuka, Kagerou, Koishi, Eternity Larva, Marisa, Reisen, and Sanae

Which leaves me with [Kaguya, Ichirin, Daiyousei] for my day 1 elimination pool.

Why was Reisen in the vibes list when you posted this

[Kaguya Houraisan]

The assaulted one is the post you’re looking for in exhibit A for” this can’t possibly be real/serious”

They never said it was a joke.
So, I’m not taking it as one.

This was pretty ridiculous

No, you should not be town reading Aya for that.

Right, I just said that.

The rest of what you wrote is going to trigger a response, but I get it.
You're off balance.

I am a little, yeah

This felt extremely bad vibes on the gutometer for being extremely stilted "do not townread aya" mindcontrol

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Can you explain why you think the "Assaulted" isn't tongue in cheek?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

As well as why not explicitly specifying an obvious joke is a joke when people seem to be getting that it's a joke is somehow duplicitous

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Brain got fried after 45 minutes of catching up, sorry

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Yeah that's a fair enough vibecheck on Reisen

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I explained where I was coming from with my check in with Sanae. I’m surprised you think that kind of approach comes from scum.

It's primarily a tonal read more than anything it just failed the tonecheck

that

hard. Quotes for the explanation cause I really don't want to read through another 100 posts to find them?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

It was but they never implied it was and asked that I respect them, with what I assumed was a sarcastic comment.

Unless I suddenly went blind I'm not seeing any post like this before you dropped that read?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Well, it's not me, so I guess Sanae is the scum between the two of us, if one of us is.
I thought, and as mentioned I usually thought wrong about this kind of thing,
that Sanae engaging given the circumstances around it seemed like a genuine reach out for curiosity.
I dunno why scum even bothers. There are other conversations to have.

Avoidance is a coping mechanism.
When Mom is yelling at the cashier that she has children to feed, I might strike up a conversation to distract me from the reality of the situation.

Even how I'm wording that is distancing from the hot coals of- I got distracted and started making a self-deprecating joke mid writing.

humor is also another one.

Do you think Sanae is scum, Yuuka?

Right now? No, but there's a lot of game left.

Eh.
Emotionally distancing/suppressing yourself is a thing.
It's one of my favorites.

I’m curious of a lot of player’s thoughts on dai’s post.

I’m interested in Kagerou, Larvae and tenshi’s interpretations of Aya.

Clown slightly up.

@Aya, well, that’s what happened in my experience. Re/what i was doing talking to Sanae.

Not to be an ass but I'm not seeing how that has anything to do with the "Do not townread Aya"

[Kaguya Houraisan]

It was but they never implied it was and asked that I respect them, with what I assumed was a sarcastic comment.

Unless I suddenly went blind I'm not seeing any post like this before you dropped that read?

Unless you mean the "You just blow in from needlessly mean town" post

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I might be going crazy, but I could have sworn that Aya made some sort of bird joke earlier? It's why I called them the bird reporter. I sit corrected, I guess?

Aya's a Crow Tengu, last I checked a crow is a type of bird

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I was also slightly annoyed they either thought I was pointing out that purple was the mod’s color as a weapon or warning to be used against (the witch hat girl) I wasn’t, it was just a hey, mod’s color is purple

Wasn't this Kagerou?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I feel like most of the chaos this game can be attributed to people mixing up names

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Purple is the mod’s color.

This is so fucked up.

Oh nvm it's this post. I read it as "It's so fucked up that purple is the mods color"

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Oh nvm it's this post. I read it as "It's so fucked up that purple is the mods color"

Guess most of it comes down to not being able to see (probably using the wrong word for the idea here) how you're taking statements that clearly mean one thing and taking it to mean another

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Wanna make sure I’m following along here.
You don’t see how someone might look at the same posts differently?

Uhh close enough? When I'm reading the original posts I clearly get one meaning with seemingly no real room for misinterpretation but you seem to be looking at those same posts and coming out with completely different ideas of what was said/implied

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I think this talk softened the scumread a bit. I'm still not really happy with the Aya/Sanae thing but I think the other stuff comes down to just having different interpretations of what posts are even saying/implying

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Time to pass out, livechat over

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Tenshi Hinanawi - null
Aya Shameimaru - light town
Yuuka Kazami - light town
Kaguya Houraisan - null scum
Kagerou Imaizumi - prob town
Koishi Komeiji - the void/ previously town
Eternity Larva - null scum
Ichirin Kumoi - null scum
Daiyousei - null scum
Marisa Kirisame - town
Clownpiece - town
Sanae Kochiya - light town

Why is Marisa town?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Specifically things like 402. Where they took a very benign and surface level observation that wasn’t really heading anywhere, gave it deeper thought, then re evaluated their reads based on it. That’s the kind of self aware/game state aware combo that I appreciate.

What do you mean by this? 402 is essentially just POE, I don't really see how that gets her into your top townreads this game

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Like pretty much all the people outside the POE were essentially consensus town at that point, it's not exactly a groundbreaking post

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Reisen ignoring me is not fun

[Kaguya Houraisan]

t would be a weird choice for scum in Kaguya's position, who is likely seeing the writing on the wall that she is in the PoE pool, to just throw out a Marisa vote and barely even substantiate or push it? i expect calculated scum to target a potential town bloc player to make a splash or go against the grain in a way that will garner town reads on them and help them escape the elimination pool. Kaguya's stance on Marisa does not feel manipulative in that way and does not further an agenda whatsoever, it keeps her more removed from the "in-crowd" and she doesn't really seem to care

I seem to remember their Marisa vote came right after like 3-4 other people (purely based off of memory here) voiced concerns about town reading too many high post count players, which makes the play less odd for scum to make imo.

Someone then questioned them about the "meh town players" and who else that referred to, and when they were unable to back it up, it made it feel more like they could have just been tacking onto the "we should be paranoid of the townie people" (said in a spooky voice for effect) bandwagon

I also did not like their Yuuka vote, as basically everything that they responded to leading up to the vote did not actually come with an alignment indicative comments, and seemed more rooted in Yuuka's posts being displeasing instead of scummy, which made it feel like it could be scum sorting instead of town sorting.

I've been pretty open about barely having the time and energy to keep up with the game as is, as well as how the read came about. Why does me not having bruteforce ISO'd the entire playerlist (which would be needed for the charisma list) make my Marisa read invalid. Engage with the read itself instead of demanding stuff I physically can't give

Re: Yuuka, is someone shading someone by talking nonsense townie now somehow? (Yes yes Yuuka we talked it out that was just my mindset at the time)

Are tonal reads not a thing anymore? Pretty sure I've seen other people using them this game so what's your problem here specifically

[Kaguya Houraisan]

People blatantly going "hmm yes I seem to be only townreading the hyperposters this is a problem" and then not fucking doing anything about it is annoying as hell

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Re: Yuuka, is someone shading someone by talking nonsense townie now somehow?

Here is the only post about Yuuka you made before the vote

The assaulted one is the post you’re looking for in exhibit A for” this can’t possibly be real/serious”

They never said it was a joke.
So, I’m not taking it as one.

Horrendous take

You have twisted my position into saying that those post are townie, when in fact I think that it is a Yuuka-ism in a way that is entirely divorced from alignment

I found it a little hard to swallow that you think that Yuuka taking Ichirin's post seriously, and not as a joke, is something that would be based on Yuuka's alignment.

Seeing someone point out something that is "bad" or "wrong" and then voting on it, without drawing the line on why being "bad" or "wrong" in that way is more likely to come from scum instead of town pings me.

Nonsense takes tend to come from scum, it being a Yuukaism is completely irrelevant because I don't know who Yuuka is and don't have a past pattern of behaviour for her. This is also the reason why the scumread got softened after I found out it was a Yuukaism (because those parts no longer applied to the read), why are you ignoring that?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Kaguya what is your read on Clownpiece currently?

Liable to OMGUS rn, I'll come back to this later with a clearer head. Not a fan of her picking and chosing posts like this

[Kaguya Houraisan]

People blatantly going "hmm yes I seem to be only townreading the hyperposters this is a problem" and then not fucking doing anything about it is annoying as hell

I would also say that I am not someone who thinks that way.

I have actually been side eyeing basically everyone who has voiced this concern, as I don't actually think that it is a thread wide concern (even if it may be true for an individual).

When I look at the top 5 posters (excluding me), I see Koishi, Kagerou, Yuuka, Sanae, and Tenshi, and I feel like literal all of them are still being met with periodic suspicion and paranoia.

I don't think a single one of these names has made it to being universally town binned, and I personally have only town binned one of them. And, focusing just on my pov, *I* am still paranoid about Koishi and Kagerou, and then Tenshi is my strongest scum read.

And they are not blocking up either. Sanae has been voicing paranoia about koishi, koishi did not like kagerou's dance (or maybe vice versa, I for sure am not looking back), Yuuka and Kagerou has been a near constant will they/wont they push each other, Koishi just said that Tenshi's town stocks are dropping.

And then the single most town read player [Eternity Larva] doesn't even make that list

So while maybe there are individuals whose reads list looks like the player list sorted by post count, I don't think that its actually a Thread Problem right now, and I have actually been suspicious of just how many posts along those lines have been made this game. Yours just being the worst offender.

That hyperposters are getting the occasional side-eye doesn't actually matter when the only wagons with more than one vote this game have been "bottom half of the activity count + Kagerou"

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Also

V/LA 12th-13th

[Kaguya Houraisan]

UNVOTE:

[Kaguya Houraisan]

uh Koishi why is half your scumcase on Yuuka points for her being town

Because it's misformatted

[Kaguya Houraisan]

would be curious to hear the opinion of anyone who still wants to wagon Kaguya right now

UNVOTE:

setting up the self-wagon case and vote, i see! i guess you really do need to find unique ways to have fun when you're over a thousand years old, huh

That's funnier than the real reason of not wanting my vote there during V/LA

[Kaguya Houraisan]

People blatantly going "hmm yes I seem to be only townreading the hyperposters this is a problem" and then not fucking doing anything about it is annoying as hell

We must sacrifice an LHF to appease the gods

So true

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Let’s say we hypothetically wagon someone who isn’t LHF- who should that be?

Ask me again when I'm not V/LA and can actually read ISOs but from memory probably in Clownpiece/Yuuka/Marisa (though I'll let her catch up first)

[Kaguya Houraisan]

That hyperposters are getting the occasional side-eye doesn't actually matter when the only wagons with more than one vote this game have been "bottom half of the activity count + Kagerou"

This is only a problem is zero of the scum are in the bottom half of activity count. Which is not something that I am actually worried about on Day 1 of a mafia game.

After sleeping on it I'm not a big fan of the goalpost shifting of "The hyperposter townreading isn't happening ok well actually it is but it isn't a problem"

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I still exist, catching up now

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'm just gonna be noting stuff that I noticed without really thinking on them until I'm actually caught up cause 17 pages go brr

Spoiler: Page 51

I moved the four items that were misfiled.

The irony of 977 still being misfiled

Comparing the Yuuka wall to the Kaguya wall there's the same number of likes/dislikes but we ended up in different places

I’ll wait to see how things develop with the rest of your walls, but I don’t understand how 232 was worth ten bullet points.

Agreed

Spoiler: Page 52

I said that I don't think that the hyper posters are getting town binned in a harmful way to the game state.

You countered that they still are not getting wagoned.

I further said that that is not a problem in my eyes.

If you misunderstood my first point to be that hyperposters were in danger of miselimination, that is a misread of my original post - not a goal post being moved in my second.

You don't see the problem with not being able to kill half your scumreads cause people are POEing by activity?

Spoiler: Divine Fist "GIANT FUCKING WALL"

Im reserving my vote for when I feel confident on something, whether it is my POE or a scumread. I’m trying to take more of a voyeur approach this game which is probably part of why I’ve been stuck on my own island, but I also feel the desire for some more data to analyze.

I referenced Dai up there, but I can give Dai and Kaguya a look over when I get home tonight.

My gut feels bad about "I also feel the desire for some more data to analyze." because I feel like there were already plenty of things to analyze...? Meh.

Clown can you say some words to me about Kaguya?

i really liked her posts about Marisa. there is a lot of merit to the charisma argument that made me reevaluate Marisa myself

it would be a weird choice for scum in Kaguya's position, who is likely seeing the writing on the wall that she is in the PoE pool, to just throw out a Marisa vote and barely even substantiate or push it? i expect calculated scum to target a potential town bloc player to make a splash or go against the grain in a way that will garner town reads on them and help them escape the elimination pool. Kaguya's stance on Marisa does not feel manipulative in that way and does not further an agenda whatsoever, it keeps her more removed from the "in-crowd" and she doesn't really seem to care

in fact a lot of her scum reads seem to center around the consensus town-read players (Yuuka, Sanae, Marisa) which is a strange strategy as scum when it's likely these players will be influential in deciding the ultimate elimination today

i guess she is also scum reading Reisen who would fit the bill as a viable elimination alternative to herself but i have a soft spot for other players scum-reading Reisen...

I really like this, it's pointing me in the right direction for Kaguya because I'm realizing I kinda like Kaguya's reads (on a towniness level not a "I wanna vote that" level), but that might be because we share some ideas. Also yeah. My heart of hearts still thinks blurting out "I'm town" at 2 votes is an eyebrow-raiser but I don't think that's really relevant now.

I'm trying not to, but off-the-cuff I don't actually think you have a lot of content?
I admit that I'd have to re-read your ISO to confirm that but a lot of what I remember you posting is vibes

I remember Koishi's whole dance bit with Kagerou, which I'm probably stealing in the future lol, but off the top of my head I don't really remember Koishi generating new content otherwise, and even after checking ISO I don't really see anything truly noteworthy by this point? But also Koishi keeps stressing their playstyle and how it pertains to that. I'm withholding proper judgement for now until I go back and specifically evaluate Koishi's 1164 and similar, however, maybe after she completes the set.

Re: Yuuka, is someone shading someone by talking nonsense townie now somehow?

Here is the only post about Yuuka you made before the vote

The assaulted one is the post you’re looking for in exhibit A for” this can’t possibly be real/serious”

They never said it was a joke.
So, I’m not taking it as one.

Horrendous take

You have twisted my position into saying that those post are townie, when in fact I think that it is a Yuuka-ism in a way that is entirely divorced from alignment

I found it a little hard to swallow that you think that Yuuka taking Ichirin's post seriously, and not as a joke, is something that would be based on Yuuka's alignment.

Seeing someone point out something that is "bad" or "wrong" and then voting on it, without drawing the line on why being "bad" or "wrong" in that way is more likely to come from scum instead of town pings me.

Nonsense takes tend to come from scum, it being a Yuukaism is completely irrelevant because I don't know who Yuuka is and don't have a past pattern of behaviour for her. This is also the reason why the scumread got softened after I found out it was a Yuukaism (because those parts no longer applied to the read), why are you ignoring that?

Ding ding ding. It being a "Yuukaism" is wholly irrelevant when it seems pretty clear that she's trying to evaluate a read on me out of it, nonsense or no. In general, I don't like Yuuka just completely ignoring my slot now after 970 but I suppose I did all but tell her to stop riding my dick and I haven't exactly been around until now. Didn't stop her from dredging up old posts before, though.

wow! this is by far the worst post i've seen all game! @_@ it contributes nothing to the hunting process and is obviously designed just to kick a clearly hurting player while they're down

in an iso vacuum i'm still not thrilled with aya's body of work but this post and sanae co-signing it in 598 makes me want absolutely nothing to do with voting aya for the foreseeable future and everything to do with exterminating the kagerou/sanae mafpair asap

I really hate this, I feel like it is trying to exacerbate the situation when I frankly raised an eyebrow at the same quote as Kagerou?

That said, this looks like a really weird way to talk about me when you have much wordier qualifiers on the rest of the people you were asked about? It's not like I haven't been majorly present since your last block of reads, I suspect I'm going to be showing up on this week's episode of Hyperposters Least Wanted, starting John Walsh.

you're in a unique position where i was very much not a fan of your predecessor, but was also starting to rethink that stance because i wasn't sure if it was because she was mafia or because her foundational ideas for how to play differed strongly with mine

and then the replacement happened, which means that i still feel how i felt about the slot prior to the replacement but my concerns may no longer apply going forward

so i couldn't just drop you in either the "interested in voting" bin or the "not interested in voting" bin with any sort of confidence, hence the couched wording

I'm not sure I like how cognizant they are of their own trajectory, however I know that I can be a bit susceptible to this too? But referencing their own posts here felt kinda weird

I can see why there are votes on this slot, although admittedly part of me wonders if there is a disconnect with players struggling with the length of Dai's posting?

Have to disagree here on both counts. I'm not particularly invested in a Dai townread but I do think that Kagerou's post was a little gross in addition to getting what Aya was saying wrong, and while this is an anon game and this means jackshit, I have self-referenced quite a bit in the past and I generally do not believe it's a very inherently alignment-indicative thing to do.

My bias to town read active players is a massive issue this game if there's at least one, but definitely if there's two, high-energy scum.

I’m thinking Koishi is town plus the list from the top of the page, which I am now repurposing for my own needs.

I also want to townread this even though it's probably really easy to post as scum, because it's so easy scum probably won't do it. Or something...

I think this is a fallacy of some sort.

Town:
Yuuka - Playing way too aggressive for scum, actively antagonizing others makes it very easy for others to want to murderlate you
Kagerou - 2chaotic2bescum

I think this is a fallacy of some sort. In general I think regularly flushing your brain of the idea that scum only play as conniving tricksters or whatever is good for you because scum playstyles can vary comically and they will especially love it if you hand them a townread for it. Rest of the readlist is like, fine, ig.

2) what makes a tenshi vote more interesting than a vote for me? maybe this is the self-loathing from generations of fairy hatred kicking in but i see myself as more likely to get exterminated than tenshi at this point in the game, so i don't understand why you'd vote tenshi ahead of me while thinking i'm more likely to be mafia

2) I'm more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than you, i feel like the general avoidance around this slot could come from a place of more well inserted scumbuddies uneasy with the idea of drawing the light to their weak like

2) assuming your interest in seeing people's stances on tenshi is honest, what effort did you make to draw those stances out between the tenshi vote and the post i am responding to with this question? (this actually ties pretty neatly into what yuuka and piece have been saying about you lately)

still waiting for an answer to this btw ?_?

(ed. note: nested quotes are cleaned up for ease-of-reading purposes)

sorry missed it

- well, i maybe didn't get as much as i hoped directly at the, but i also feel like i've managed to prevent tenshi from just being able to fly under the radar undetected, and it's just that people don't really care about pushing there

actually hmmm

one thing i find weird is how Marisa didn't include Tenshi in her vote pool

VOTE: Tenshi

yeah ik it's dumb counting the vote as that by itself, but it's true

I've lost the plot completely here too.

Just gonna step away and come back with fresh brain.

before you leave give me gun to head a read on Tenshi

save a townie, join the Tenshi wagon

So, a couple of things with this:

1) Posts 717 and 745 come after the time frame I was asking about. I was specifically asking about the time frame between the vote for Tenshi, in 553, and the claim that the vote for Tenshi was cast because you "were more interested in seeing people's stances on Tenshi than [me]", in 655. Presumably, if you were town and telling the truth about this, you would have made efforts to draw out people's stances between 553 and 665. I looked back and did not see any. Given you didn't quote any, I'm assuming you didn't see any either. Therefore, I have to conclude that the reason you gave for the vote is bunk, and because town has no reason to give bunk reasons for their votes, you are Mafia.

2) Posts 717 and 745 don't really give any reason to consider Tenshi voteworthy. In fact, Sanae's question in 719 is the only real response one can to 717, because you hadn't given any reason for anyone else to consider voting for Tenshi up to that point. Your response in 723 exists, sure, but even setting aside that the reasoning there appears to amount to "vibes", there was no reason town you couldn't have provided that reasoning 150 posts prior. This instead comes across as making something up after the fact, which suggests Mafia.

holy shit shes cooking. Big huge agree here.

Please forgive my breaking of character, I'm tired.

VOTE: Daiyousei

The entire line of questioning in 889 is really bad. Why does Daiyousei care about the fact that my scumread of Kaguya can be applied to other people? I'm explicitly fine with voting the other people. Why does Daiyousei care that I said I don't understand how anyone could have a townread on Kaguya? Even if only Kagerou was townreading Kaguya, nobody else was voting her. I didn't understand why nobody was interested in a Kaguya vote and said so. None of this is actually relevant to my alignment in any way and none of this even gives a reason not to vote Kaguya. It just feels like a discredit attempt, or at best an attempt to look like Daiyousei is questioning and investigative (and therefore towny).

Why does Daiyousei care about the fact that my scumread of Kaguya can be applied to other people?

- Because the line I asked about

didn't

apply to Kaguya. Here, I'll ask directly - how does "Anything that looks town indicative can be faked with a bit of practice" apply to someone about whom you just said ""none of her posts are town indicative"? If you can answer that question to my satisfaction then I'll feel better about you using it as justification for the Kaguya vote.

Why does Daiyousei care that I said I don't understand how anyone could have a townread on Kaguya? Even if only Kagerou was townreading Kaguya, nobody else was voting her. I didn't understand why nobody was interested in a Kaguya vote and said so.

- "I don't understand how anyone can have a strong townread on her!" is

not

the same thing as "I don't understand why nobody is interested in a Kaguya vote". Do not try to equate these two things. If you can give me evidence that a non-trivial collection of people that actually had a strong townread of Kaguya at the time, then I'll gladly (and sheepishly) withdraw the point. But don't give me evidence that a non-trivial collection of people weren't interested in a Kaguya vote and try to present that as them having strong townreads on Kaguya. Speaking for myself, there are a handful of people I presently am not interested in voting but also do not have strong townreads on, and I imagine the same is true of most of the rest of the game.

How this is all relevant to your alignment is related to the "town has no reason to give bunk reasons for their votes" thing I covered above. I was skeptical of your vote, and your response to my questioning about it made me more skeptical, ergo I lean toward you being Mafia.

I also mentioned that her cases on both Aya and Kagerou were fake, and I stand by that.

Aya breaking character happened after Daiyousei's bad case on Aya and therefore has no relevance to whether or not the case was good.

I already covered this in 891, but I suppose I can expand on the Aya stuff specifically.

My comments on Aya were made in 392. Aya had made nine posts up to that point. Here's the first so that anyone that wants to follow along can click the ISO link. In those nine posts, there is a partial role claim in 229 and a general Mafia behavior opinion in 255. Beyond that, I do not see any game state opinions in any of those posts - who she thinks is town, who she thinks is Mafia, reasons for those beliefs, etc. Given this, I do not think it is particularly unfair to have categorized her play up to that point as "do-nothing" or "pretending to contribute". If there are game state opinions in those posts that I have missed, please do point them out for me! Otherwise I will stand by what I said in 392 and find it very suspect that you continue to disagree.

Also, as long as I'm talking about this, given you very recently settled on Yuuka being town, what do you think of her vote for and commentary on Aya from that same general time frame compared to my commentary?

i take back what i said about not being invested in a daiyousei townread this little big fairy can BALL

Leaving things at like page 49 because I need to take a walk, but I think this is pretty much everything I'd wanna say anyway. VOTE: Kagerou

I don't hate this wall?

I have read Ichirin's Divine Fist "GIANT FUCKING WALL" twice now, and I think that the most town indicative part of it is the fact that she put it in spoiler tags.

However, I am underwhelmed by the actual content.

I think it's mostly cause it's in wall format instead of hyperposted

Side note: Turns out I hate multiple walls per page more than I hate hyperposting good to know

[Kaguya Houraisan]

btw if any questions I asked got answered later feel free to ignore them

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To actually get back on productive things: I do not particularly think my reads of Daiyousei or Kagerou are forced, because I'm pretty sure Dai was just speaking divine truth about Kagerou. And I'm a monk, trust me on this one.

That's worded weirdly

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VOTE: Ichirin

i'm cool with 1v1ing

What made you move off of Dai?

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Powersaving mode Kaguya is not in the right headspace to get anything out of this 1v1 and still make it to the end of the catchup

[Kaguya Houraisan]

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Liking Sanae here

Okay, so that was a realistic position for you two hours ago, but why are you not making a point of going back to read? You've made posts since so you HAVE been here?

Continuing the trend of assuming everyone has infinite time to play Mafia I see

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Okay I definitely concur the Yuuka "middle-of-the-pack" read is weird because a lot of the ungrokables and dislikes are just Yuuka eccentricities (and not ones I think are relevant, mind, like I talked about in my wall)? The typos are annoying, I wish I knew what "2076" was supposed to be, but moreover it just feels like the equation is Towntell+Towntell+Towntell+Towntell+Scumtell=? and you fucked up your math and landed on Nulltown. I just don't agree overall.

I don't hate this post either?

Spoiler: Page 59

Gals I think Sanae is town

Clownpiece I'll get back to you once I finish my catchup and reboot, wanna not get stuck in a feedback loop of being perpetually behind

[Kaguya Houraisan]

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To actually get back on productive things: I do not particularly think my reads of Daiyousei or Kagerou are forced, because

I am currently reading back through to track people's interactions with the thread, but this is eww.

They only think that their own read is not forced? and for reasons other then "those are my reads" ?

yeah

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To actually get back on productive things: I do not particularly think my reads of Daiyousei or Kagerou are forced, because

I am currently reading back through to track people's interactions with the thread, but this is eww.

They only think that their own read is not forced? and for reasons other then "those are my reads" ?

is this deliberately ignoring the context of 1302, or ?_?

My post is pointing out that in response to 1302, they said "I don't think that my reads are forced because Dai's case is so good vs "I know my reads are not forced, because they are my reads"

1302 calling them forced is irrelevant.

if that is your reading, then i would imagine ichirin thought "I know my reads are not forced, because they are my reads" obvious to the point of not being worth saying and decided to have a little fun with hir post, as this would fit the sense of humor sie has shown previously in this game

obviously i can't say this for sure because i am not a mind reader, but that was my take on that exchange, and 1483 makes me more confident that my take is accurate

It's less about that and more about how it was worded, like "They're not forced, you can see it with x/y/z" vs "They're not forced because x/y/z" where the first implies they're not forced because it's sie's read and it's also visible from an outside perspective whereas the second implies that the foundation of the read not being forced is those externally visible features instead of just from it being sie's read

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I think it's mostly cause it's in wall format instead of hyperposted

No. I am an odd one out on site, and generally like wall posts.

My issue wes that it was presented as a wall post written by someone who has feelings about wall posts[titling it "GIANT FUCKING WALL" and dropping it in spoiler tags], but then it had several comments that looked like filler content that is just padding it out.

Sorry this one's a gimme gonna go back to catching up after this but my point is that people wouldn't care about the filler if it was spaced out in hyperposts but because they're conditioned to think wall = carefully thought out (probably the wrong words but the general gist of it) they're primed to hate the filler more than they normally would

[Kaguya Houraisan]

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I expected my "hey give a reads list" reply to have SOME impact in the thread after people kept bugging me for it but then it just kinda... didn't? Even from the requestor.

So that's weighing on me as something that probably means people don't know what to make of it? I guess?

i do find it extremely concerning that you were able to drag your heels long enough on producing mafreads to have mafreads of "the lowest hanging fruit in the game" and "the current vote leader at a time when social momentum is swinging toward the extermination of that player instead of hir closest opponent" in this game state moment

i don't have the time to investigate whether or not there was any prior indication those would be your mafreads, but that's my wing-jerk reaction from poking my head in while occupied with other things

kinda think the way Ichirin is playing around Dai indicates T/S tbh

to elaborate on that, in a scum!Ichirin world hir play really feels like wanting to lim Dai after limming me by crediting her to the push, and likewise i doubt Dai would be ok with her partner sticking so closely to her

if the last scum turns out to also be someone in a precarious position, i'll maybe reconsider that as a "desperation play" sorta deal but for now there's no real reason to think about that

Why the actual fuck would I push Dai if you flip town?

Turning on someone who started the wagon you yourself earnestly believed in because of a greenflip is a usually very dumb move regardless of alignment.

Do I like causing mass hysteria and panic?

Yes.

based

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reinsen has been town to our eyes, and if Kagerou is wolf there doesn't need to be a secons scum on the wagon but given that the only off wagon person my read on isn't town is Kaguya, i should look there and decide if there is a second scum on the Ichirin wagon or if it's just Kaguya.

Not voters are you, me (cause I unvoted during V/LA before these wagons got big and literally wasn't here), and Koichi (who you townread)

We are not getting out of the wagonomics classroom with this one

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My mental state has degraded to posting wordless emoji reactions and zoomer memes, someone save me from this hell

[Kaguya Houraisan]

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This is NOT A NEW READ folks. I have already had this feeling and coming back to the thread to find them both vote parked on Koishi of all people?

Wait why am I "of all people". Like, I know that you're literally my only cheerleader here right now buuuuuuuuut justify your town read of me? Only a little? I am EXTREMELY worried about how that came about.

A large part of my read requires something I'm not allowed to do.

Or how many times do I have to say I SEE you before you understand that.

If this is not a post restriction please clarify, I'll assume it's a post restriction if you ignore this

Spoiler: Page 66

Roles and alignment being independent is already public info so I'm not reading much from Ichirin's abilities (and a quick check doesn't show anything at the start of the game during the role/username talks that would imply Ichirin is

Ichirin

instead of

Medicine

)

Excuse me for not really seeing how town can use a hated / macho / random action redirection

Simple, you Hated mafia and then kill them faster

[Kaguya Houraisan]

If this is not a post restriction please clarify, I'll assume it's a post restriction if you ignore this

That is almost certainly saying "I know your main, so my read is meta based, but I cannot say that out loud without breaking the rules."

I'm proud of the fact that I recognize precisely 0 people in this game

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Anyways I'm caught up, time to pull a Kars and stop thinking for a while

[Kaguya Houraisan]

You don't see the problem with not being able to kill half your scumreads cause people are POEing by activity?

If the stance was "I scum read this person, and therefore want to kill them despite being a hyper poster" then more power to you, we would not be having this conversation. People who vorted Koishi (the number 1 poster) and people who voted kagerou (the number 2 poster) because they said they thought they were scum did not get the same response from me that you did.

But the vote that I questioned was not one that was a specific scum read on a hyper poster, it was a desire to vote an "archetype" based on game state.

I think in hindsight at some point my POV between those points went from "people are townreading hyperposters for hyperposting" to "My biggest scumreads are the hyperposters and I can't kill them cause the POE is sorted by activity" without me noticing

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I have spent too long looking for fan art of clownpiece and Kaguya together to call you my new best friend with, but apparently that simply does not exist. So this will have to do:

Used my full power + cropping to find the one (1) Clownpiece X Kaguya image on the internet

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I keep having a hard time seperating whether me disliking Yuuka during tonereads are from Yuukaisms or from her just being scum

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I can't say for sure if there's 2 or 3 scum, though I'm willing to bet 3 considering everyone is a power role

This dumbtell feels fake? Not town at least, like it's too dumb to be a real town dumbtell

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I don’t think an executioner meets the flavor.

Probably.

Executioner can fit the flavor with someone like Parsee, it just fails the "Role != Alignment" check so there'd need to be a need for an exe from a design standpoint (words are failing me here) which doesn't seem that likely

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Actually it could be a third party slip if anything.

Good point

(Sudden flashbacks to Yuuka claiming not to be 3p)

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I have spent too long looking for fan art of clownpiece and Kaguya together to call you my new best friend with, but apparently that simply does not exist. So this will have to do:

wow even pixiv doesn't have anything (or at least not in the corners of pixiv i'm willing to look)

You're welcome

Legendary image

[Kaguya Houraisan]

This is probably not the right time or approach.
But how could, exactly, your role be used effectively for town?

Target Mafia -> Mafia get Hated/Macho/Redirected -> Profit

[Kaguya Houraisan]

i believe ichirin's roleclaim at least as much as i believe anything anyone says publicly about their role

i also don't think the mechanics are alignment indicative and that focusing on trying to puzzle that out is going to distract the thread (yes i am aware posting has slowed a bit at the moment)

obviously i'm not going to get into details about myself but i look at ichirin's claim and i look at my role and i look back at ichirin's claim and have no issue seeing it attached to either alignment

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Yeah but what about if you don't target mafia lol

You win some you lose some

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Don't really like the "Oh this role scummy" posters, there's probably scum in there if Ichi flips town/flips scum trueclaiming

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Ok soooooo we have <3 days left
Are we coalescing on Ichirin? I don't especially think sie's scum tbh

Who would you rather wagon? I could do an Ichirin lim here

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Can you imagine if they made up that role claim as scum for fun.

Because I can’t.
Claims good unless like, they removed a few small details.

I don’t think anyone was really doubting their role claim.

True

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Fourthly independently of the reasons various players have stated for their reads on Ichi, I find myself very confused as to how many "noob" tells they seem to be dropping despite as I mentioned before that they coke off as at least moderately experienced.

Like, it's pretty common knowledge that 7/2 translates to 10/3 in mini games unless there's some real bullshit in place like multiball and the win condition clearly prohibits that.

It's like they're manufactured but at the same time not. And it confuses me greatly.

Like I thought the same thing - Ichirin is some level of experienced, and the 2 vs 3 scum thing doesnt make sense as a thought in a vaccuum especially

Makes more sense in this light

A semi-experienced player who's aware enough that 3p implies 2 scum instead of 3 would also be aware enough not to bring it up, no?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Ok soooooo we have <3 days left
Are we coalescing on Ichirin? I don't especially think sie's scum tbh

Who would you rather wagon? I could do an Ichirin lim here

Koishi

Need to re-read her but I don't mind a Koishi lim here

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Idk but I think it's more likely that 3p has that thought than town

I think it's more likely no one has that thought and sie's just scum

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Secondly, it's extra super duper duper weird that several slots all seem to have gone dark at the same time. It's extremely reminiscent of scenarios I've seen before where you have one experienced mafia player stuck in a mafia pt with two newbies who need to be reassured and pushed with both hands into the thread to go actually post because they're doing the scum-deer in headlights thing. But I'm not sure that anon games would have that same sort of interaction that you'd see in a traditional setup with mains.

Which slots are you talking about here?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Not my new best friend T_T

[Kaguya Houraisan]

VOTE: Ichirin

[Kaguya Houraisan]

idk where the VC is at but we definitely need to know Koishi's target before ending the day

It's E-2 on Ichirin I think

[Kaguya Houraisan]

don't see a reason not to lim him tomorrow

I mean, other than the protection not working if I'm dead?

I mean that's why I asked what happens if you get limmed and the way you answered I thought the protection still holds

If it doesn't - holy heck is this a good fake-claim for you not to be limmed any time soon if you're scum and I kinda hate it

People are falling for the same "Role = Alignment" trap they did with Ichirin in the other direction. If we think Koishi is scum we kill her today, if we don't we don't kill her

[Kaguya Houraisan]

*tilts head*
How much mafia have you played ichi I forgot if this was ever brought up.

I don’t think this is violating the spirit of the rules because you can just lie.

I've played my fair share. I really

do not

care for the 'dumbtell' discussion because I earnestly think there's a realistic chance of 3 scum when again, we're all decently powerful PRs, and the mod is also a total troll. In general I just don't really super care about this game anymore because I don't think there's anyway I don't just die here for reasons that I can only fathom as largely bogus, even if Clownpiece isn't here to discredit me every time I

breathe.

The tell isn't thinking that 3 scum are possible, that's the standard in 13p games. It's the idea of a 2 scum game that people are having issues with

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I don't particularly pay attention to the standards of the various queues if I'm being entirely real. Maybe implying 2 scum is on me.

I mean this goes beyond that to the point that I'd genuinely struggle to find a non-multiball non-mountainous 13p Normal/Open/Theme that isn't either 3 scum or 2 scum + 1 traitor so unless you literally only ever play/read Micros/Larges I don't really get how you'd have this misconception

[Kaguya Houraisan]

fuck Ichirin is posting good again

"Heartbreaking: The Scummiest Person You Know Just Made A Great Point"

UNVOTE: Ichirin

Not but fr though the competence whiplash is something I wanna look at (AKA delegate to future Kaguya)

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I don't like the new lore accurate Clownpiece

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Aw, give them a chance.
I’m assuming it’s because they’re scum reading you?

That and quality of play compared to v1 went down

[Kaguya Houraisan]

The conclusions we reached were the same as well!
I'm not that bad guys!

It's the journey not the destination

[Kaguya Houraisan]

oh are we unhappy that I didn't write walls and explain every read now x_x

Yes

(What Yuuka said though)

I think that was the first compliment I’ve given someone in about 2 weeks.

Terrifying

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Writing all that stuff isn't even worth the reward, it just makes other people happy.
HECK making people happy

Social Deduction players when they have to social

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I don't like the new lore accurate Clownpiece

Is this, like, how Clownpiece talks in the games?

Stage 5 Boss - Fairy of Hell

Clownpiece

Species: Fairy
Ability: Capable of driving people mad

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I was supposed to check out how much Ichirin's posting makes sense if I assume "Has mafia experience but not on mafiascum" but brain no worky

[Kaguya Houraisan]

For me personally stats are something that lead me to questions which then take me to conclusions rather than just conclusions themselves.

I will never use stats I play mafia to have fun not to do taxes

[Kaguya Houraisan]

The "correct" play is probably to shoot Ichirin here just having second thoughts on if that's the correct correct play here

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Kinda don't know who'd even be doable if not Ichirin

Thoughts on having Kagerou vig Ichirin so the Strongwilled goes off? If it works like that I mean

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Kinda don't know who'd even be doable if not Ichirin

Thoughts on having Kagerou vig Ichirin so the Strongwilled goes off? If it works like that I mean

vig Koishi not Ichirin I mean

[Kaguya Houraisan]

but like sure if enough people agree i could

i maybe struggle to see the point to do that rather than just lim Koishi

Doesn't the Strongwilled part only trigger if she gets shot instead of limmed or did I hallucinate that?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

And if you get elimmed what are the implications for your target?

Nothing bad happens to them, the strong-willed won't take effect since it's worded that me (or my target, which I stand inf ront of) being shot is what activates that.

Yeah this

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Gut doesn't feel like Ichirin's particularly likely to flip scum, what are the alternatives

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Gut doesn't feel like Ichirin's particularly likely to flip scum, what are the alternatives

You.

I just want them to flip already so I have something tangible to work with.

Dang, crazy how I'm not a fan of that counterwagon

Wait, which player said they were immune to day abilities again. Was that ichirin or kouji?

oh and I just remembered this

I have immunity to all day abilities so please don't waste anything useful on me

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Can I get a list of peoples preferred lims to see if there's any viable flashwagons here?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Oh no, just that I'm allowed to post the player roster and a list of letters, and then tell you that my target is the third letter of my BG's ability name. So that who I chose to target is not at all up for dispute; without having to state it D1 openly, making it useless.

Do quotation marks count as a letter? e.g. would
"Example Card"
Be an X or an A?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Oh no, just that I'm allowed to post the player roster and a list of letters, and then tell you that my target is the third letter of my BG's ability name. So that who I chose to target is not at all up for dispute; without having to state it D1 openly, making it useless.

Do quotation marks count as a letter? e.g. would
"Example Card"
Be an X or an A?

Only alphabetical characters... But it doesn't matter, because the ability names all have words before the quote parts?

Some canon spellcards don't (e.g. Half of the Kaguya spellcards in Imperishable Night)

[Kaguya Houraisan]

<---Still has never played one of these games. Is "spellcard" not just Gif's fancy word of stating one-shot? Are they like, an item in the actual games?

Wiki is your friend

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Tenshi Hinanawi - Town
Aya Shameimaru - Town
Yuuka Kazami - Town
Kaguya Houraisan - Maybe Town
Kagerou Imaizumi -
Koishi Komeiji - Town
Eternity Larva - Town
Ichirin Kumoi - Town
Daiyousei - Iffy Town
Marisa Kirisame - Town
Clownpiece, replaced once as of this post - ME!!!!!!!!
Reisen Udongein Inaba - ig they're town
Sanae Kochiya - Wolf

Well fuck me this doesn't seem right either :/

That's generally what happens when you have more townreads than there are townies

---

VOTE: Sanae

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Kinda got this sinking feeling that we went from LHF to bad flashwagon rn, it can't be

this

easy to make a flashwagon from scratch

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Wagon comp is: Marisa Kirisame, Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi, Eternity Larva, Daiyousei, Kaguya Houraisan
and like most of these names are not people I'd put in the "Town and actually won't regret this read later" tier

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Man this sucks, is it too late to flashwagon Marisa?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

VOTE: Marisa

This feels right

[Kaguya Houraisan]

So like, what were we expecting here?

Failed flashwagon into people going back to lazily limming Ichirin, which is what usually happens when people try to flashwagon scum

[Kaguya Houraisan]

My traditional vs gamestate reads are at opposite ends and it's really messing with me rn

[Kaguya Houraisan]

ugh fine

VOTE: Sanae

[Kaguya Houraisan]

It's
Sanae Kochiya [E-1]: Marisa Kirisame, Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi, Eternity Larva, Daiyousei, Kaguya Houraisan
Ichirin Kumoi [E-3]: Yuuka Kazami, Reisen Udongein Inaba, Tenshi Hinanawi, Sanae Kochiya

Not Voting [3]: Aya Shameimaru, Koishi Komeiji, Ichirin Kumoi

by my count.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

can we hold off the claim for like 30 minutes

[Kaguya Houraisan]

so that we don't have another "claim, time to go back to ichirin"

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Back half of the Sanae wagon voters:

Spoiler: Kagerou Imaizumi

VOTE: Sanae

this better be for realsies

tbh I think Sanae's recent positions suck and if I assume that all of Aya, Irchin, Koishi, Reisen, Marisa are all town, then Sanae becomes an immediate point of concern.

I mean, not to be rude but "If half the players are town maybe someone in the other half is scum" is not your greatest point

Tenshi Hinanawi - Town
Aya Shameimaru - Town
Yuuka Kazami - Town
Kaguya Houraisan - Maybe Town
Kagerou Imaizumi -
Koishi Komeiji - Town
Eternity Larva - Town
Ichirin Kumoi - Town
Daiyousei - Iffy Town
Marisa Kirisame - Town
Clownpiece, replaced once as of this post - ME!!!!!!!!
Reisen Udongein Inaba - ig they're town
Sanae Kochiya - Wolf

Well fuck me this doesn't seem right either :/

I think pretty much everyone is being some level of townie in this game

trying to team solve while we don't have any flip isn't gonna work out

You play your game I play mine

What I do works for me

You've just said it's not working though

tbh I think Sanae's recent positions suck and if I assume that all of Aya, Irchin, Koishi, Reisen, Marisa are all town, then Sanae becomes an immediate point of concern.

I mean, not to be rude but "If half the players are town maybe someone in the other half is scum" is not your greatest point

This comment is also not constructive. Did you think I just wrote a bunch of names there arbitrarily? Like, what are you doing?

i'm trying to post but my brain isn't working

Spoiler: Eternity Larva

Koishi is probably just town after all, i doubt she's faking the string of posts about asking the mod to confirm if her post identifying her target was allowed

and the outright refusal to vote anyone despite multiple people asking her to is like the opposite thing for her to do if her goal is to survive?

VOTE: Sanae

i don't think Ichirin being demoralized is all that alignment indicative on its own. i can see where sie as town would be over it at this point

the problem is the shift from "omg maybe my defenders are scum all along let me dig into this!!" to lurking out the rest of the day. the whole "i'm just waiting to die" schtick becomes more difficult to buy when it's clear from the gamestate that the day 1 elimination is not at all set in stone

it's starting to feel like a weaponized excuse to stop contributing and allowing us to forget about hir

my own hypocrisy in voting Sanae but convincing myself Ichirin is actually scum is not lost on me. i agree that Sanae's stock has fallen drastically and at this point i will vote for anyone that isn't a town read just to ensure an elimination goes through

i hate cutting deadlines this close, it gives me tremendous anxiety

i should be around a fair amount for the next ~6 or so hours to be bullied into voting someone else if needed

i think Sanae is at E-1 right now fyi

i am a tad perturbed at the speed of this wagon when getting people to actually wagon someone the past five irl days has been virtually impossible

but it’s too late in the day for me to give a shit

real talk though, we've already hit the point where the only logical possibilities are "slow march toward ichirin" and "flash wagon on someone else"

i get that both can feel icky in their own ways (and have expressed my own icky feelings with both in this very game) but at this point it's one or the other

this is why i’m shoving that feeling down as much as possible

if Marisa/Clown are not scum on your wagon then who is?

and since you’re at E-1, claiming would probably be a good idea

that’s fair

in my haste to push join the Sanae wagon i didn’t realize Ichirin was still that close to being eliminated

Actually

VOTE: Ichirin

two wagons at E-2, you’re welcome

Spoiler: Daiyousei

VOTE: Sanae

sure, this is interesting, let's see where it goes

2371 in particular if something i can definitely see as way more likely to come from mafia than town

i think Sanae is at E-1 right now fyi

went back and double-checked and yes

real talk though, we've already hit the point where the only logical possibilities are "slow march toward ichirin" and "flash wagon on someone else"

i get that both can feel icky in their own ways (and have expressed my own icky feelings with both in this very game) but at this point it's one or the other

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Back half of the Sanae wagon voters:

Spoiler: Kagerou Imaizumi

VOTE: Sanae

this better be for realsies

tbh I think Sanae's recent positions suck and if I assume that all of Aya, Irchin, Koishi, Reisen, Marisa are all town, then Sanae becomes an immediate point of concern.

I mean, not to be rude but "If half the players are town maybe someone in the other half is scum" is not your greatest point

Tenshi Hinanawi - Town
Aya Shameimaru - Town
Yuuka Kazami - Town
Kaguya Houraisan - Maybe Town
Kagerou Imaizumi -
Koishi Komeiji - Town
Eternity Larva - Town
Ichirin Kumoi - Town
Daiyousei - Iffy Town
Marisa Kirisame - Town
Clownpiece, replaced once as of this post - ME!!!!!!!!
Reisen Udongein Inaba - ig they're town
Sanae Kochiya - Wolf

Well fuck me this doesn't seem right either :/

I think pretty much everyone is being some level of townie in this game

trying to team solve while we don't have any flip isn't gonna work out

You play your game I play mine

What I do works for me

You've just said it's not working though

tbh I think Sanae's recent positions suck and if I assume that all of Aya, Irchin, Koishi, Reisen, Marisa are all town, then Sanae becomes an immediate point of concern.

I mean, not to be rude but "If half the players are town maybe someone in the other half is scum" is not your greatest point

This comment is also not constructive. Did you think I just wrote a bunch of names there arbitrarily? Like, what are you doing?

i'm trying to post but my brain isn't working

Spoiler: Eternity Larva

Koishi is probably just town after all, i doubt she's faking the string of posts about asking the mod to confirm if her post identifying her target was allowed

and the outright refusal to vote anyone despite multiple people asking her to is like the opposite thing for her to do if her goal is to survive?

VOTE: Sanae

i don't think Ichirin being demoralized is all that alignment indicative on its own. i can see where sie as town would be over it at this point

the problem is the shift from "omg maybe my defenders are scum all along let me dig into this!!" to lurking out the rest of the day. the whole "i'm just waiting to die" schtick becomes more difficult to buy when it's clear from the gamestate that the day 1 elimination is not at all set in stone

it's starting to feel like a weaponized excuse to stop contributing and allowing us to forget about hir

my own hypocrisy in voting Sanae but convincing myself Ichirin is actually scum is not lost on me. i agree that Sanae's stock has fallen drastically and at this point i will vote for anyone that isn't a town read just to ensure an elimination goes through

i hate cutting deadlines this close, it gives me tremendous anxiety

i should be around a fair amount for the next ~6 or so hours to be bullied into voting someone else if needed

i think Sanae is at E-1 right now fyi

i am a tad perturbed at the speed of this wagon when getting people to actually wagon someone the past five irl days has been virtually impossible

but it’s too late in the day for me to give a shit

real talk though, we've already hit the point where the only logical possibilities are "slow march toward ichirin" and "flash wagon on someone else"

i get that both can feel icky in their own ways (and have expressed my own icky feelings with both in this very game) but at this point it's one or the other

this is why i’m shoving that feeling down as much as possible

if Marisa/Clown are not scum on your wagon then who is?

and since you’re at E-1, claiming would probably be a good idea

that’s fair

in my haste to push join the Sanae wagon i didn’t realize Ichirin was still that close to being eliminated

Actually

VOTE: Ichirin

two wagons at E-2, you’re welcome

Spoiler: Daiyousei

VOTE: Sanae

sure, this is interesting, let's see where it goes

2371 in particular if something i can definitely see as way more likely to come from mafia than town

i think Sanae is at E-1 right now fyi

went back and double-checked and yes

real talk though, we've already hit the point where the only logical possibilities are "slow march toward ichirin" and "flash wagon on someone else"

i get that both can feel icky in their own ways (and have expressed my own icky feelings with both in this very game) but at this point it's one or the other

I need flips to make sense of this.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Aya and Koishi v2 have yet to vote anyone this game I think

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Wagon comp is: Marisa Kirisame, Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi, Eternity Larva, Daiyousei, Kaguya Houraisan
and like most of these names are not people I'd put in the "Town and actually won't regret this read later" tier

Are you scumreading yourself????

Dang for real, guess you caught me. People in question were you and Kagerou, with Larva/Dai skirting the edges by being in the "Town but might regret this read later" tier

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Nothing says that can’t be a wolf role

Setup Information

• Alignments have been randomized before designing the setup. This did not factor into how I designed my setup.

mafiascum read the setup challenge

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I will hammer Ichirin if she hits E-1, kingmake to your hearts content

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I still don't get why people keep claiming in a game where claims don't matter

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I still don't get why people keep claiming in a game where claims don't matter

for determining alignment I mean

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I still don't get why people keep claiming in a game where claims don't matter

And ur saying this now?

can we hold off the claim for like 30 minutes

so that we don't have another "claim, time to go back to ichirin"

I don’t think an executioner meets the flavor.

Probably.

Executioner can fit the flavor with someone like Parsee, it just fails the "Role != Alignment" check so there'd need to be a need for an exe from a design standpoint (words are failing me here) which doesn't seem that likely

don't see a reason not to lim him tomorrow

I mean, other than the protection not working if I'm dead?

I mean that's why I asked what happens if you get limmed and the way you answered I thought the protection still holds

If it doesn't - holy heck is this a good fake-claim for you not to be limmed any time soon if you're scum and I kinda hate it

People are falling for the same "Role = Alignment" trap they did with Ichirin in the other direction. If we think Koishi is scum we kill her today, if we don't we don't kill her

I've been complaining about it the entire game, what do you mean "now"?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I have to imagine it was at least PRTIALLY tweaked after alignments

I mean it's kinda a me thing but i doubt the mod dares to give scum a vig shot

Depends on how bastard the setup is, especially given that Kagerou =

Marisa

is mod confirmed and also that it'd be disabled in ELO/MELO if I'm reading the setup right

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Yeah so i waited a bit to see how you would react on that but it's a night vig not a day vig

People actually believed the "day" part?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

What was your reaction to the double spark thing?
I didn’t see it as pertinent since it was totally out of context and a horrific waste of resources, so I felt nobody would believe it nor was it meant to be believed but sigh, as mentioned not AI.

But I’m curious if you took it seriously, though I very much doubt it.

People actually believed a Touhou Soccer dayvig?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Koishi thought I was serious.

…I think.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

God seeing non-touhou players trying to make sense of the flavor is pretty funny

[Kaguya Houraisan]

What’s expensive about it? Can you use it now?

+1 MP per day

Philosopher Stone costs a lot of MP

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Sanae what's the earliest you can IC yourself

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'd guess night 3 at the earliest if it costs 3 MP and you get MP at the start of the night so it'd trigger by Day 4

D1 start: 10/3
D2 start: 8/3
D3 start: 6/3
D4 start: 4/3

except that Kagerou is shooting too so D4 starts at 3/3. This is unverifiable without a scumflip isnt it?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

If we take all claims at face value, including the wolf with a gun, then we can potentially be down 4 town at the start of day two, which is an entire cycle skip, something that I don't know GIF's opinion on, but the reviewer has a distaste for.

Maf kill + Marisa vig + town lim, where's the 4th?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

As in, if sanae is able to suicide to graduate to tree stump at any point as claimed.

That's not what she claimed, Fire Water Wood Metal Earth Sign "Philosopher's Stone" needs 3+ MP to trigger (she didn't specify exactly but more than 2MP since it's the most expensive, so that's at least 3 nights) and gives IC + untargetable for a day and night and then after she dies she also gets treestumped. Nothing inherently requires her to die after the spellcard

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I can trigger any spellcard without enough MP any night, but then I die immediately. (I.e. I can trigger it tonight)

Lore accurate asthma lore accurate asthma

[Kaguya Houraisan]

If Sanae is scum what would your hypothetical “philosophers stone” powers be? Because letting scum leave thread for a day seems absolutely stupid, and Sanae is on record with no flavor knowledge so I do believe there is a stronger power

Fire Water Wood Metal Earth Sign "Philosopher's Stone" uses the maximum amount of elements Patchouli can manipulate at once so it'd probably be some sort of big simultaneous JOAT ability of all the other abilities she can do

[Kaguya Houraisan]

If Sanae is scum what would your hypothetical “philosophers stone” powers be? Because letting scum leave thread for a day seems absolutely stupid, and Sanae is on record with no flavor knowledge so I do believe there is a stronger power

Fire Water Wood Metal Earth Sign "Philosopher's Stone" uses the maximum amount of elements Patchouli can manipulate at once so it'd probably be some sort of big simultaneous JOAT ability of all the other abilities she can do

My point is the specificity of what was claimed feels weird for what would have been a claim by the seat of her pants, as the wagon appeared in the last 16 hours out of nowhere

Do people have a lot of trouble reading the wiki page for their character or something?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

One: Scum probably have safe claims from the mod

It's not even a safe claim since Marisa's already implicitly confirmed it's an SDM theme'd hood, you just have to tweak what your spellcard does

[Kaguya Houraisan]

One: Scum probably have safe claims from the mod

It's not even a safe claim since Marisa's already implicitly confirmed it's an SDM theme'd hood, you just have to tweak what your spellcard does

Oh, true.

Also ew. The SDM hood has Marisa and Patchouli and not Sakuya or Remilia? What is this PT, "Scarlet Devil Library Time"?

Marisa isn't

Marisa

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I understand this, yes. I am trying to think what a fair and balanced scum version of these roles would be.

7 different abilities corresponding to Fire/Water/Wood/Metal/Earth/Sun/Moon (maybe a "day of the week" mechanic for extra flavor) and Philosophers Stone triggers the Fire/Water/Wood/Metal/Earth abilities simultaneously

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Marisa scum equity is through the roof with a Ichirin scumflip btw

...How?

Are you caught up yet?

Like a page away, still confusing.

Ichirin pretty likely to die + Marisa flashwagon on Sanae to save Ichirin, it's gamestate

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Hi friends!!!!!!! Wow you've posted a bunch.

I agree with Aya-San that we can basically force Sanae-San to self-vig overnight and try to kill someone else. If Sanae self-vigs and Kagerou also vigs then that skips one day phase but gives us 2 town controlled kills in exchange which is pretty town. Anyone in favor of this proposal please show your support for it by posting:
HEAL: Sanae Self vig

Who's the flashwagon

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Who's even here, we have like 3 hours till deadline?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Though I just realized she could be scum only partly true-claiming and become unvotable until Day 3 which sucks. Cause like in this game Sakura Hana was Sanae Kochiya (what the hell is this coincidence) and partly trueclaimed her role but was scum and won off of it.

Doing anything other than treestumping in that case would functionally be a scumclaim so unless she has some crazy n1 abilities it probably isn't that bad

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'm ok with the Ichirin lim -> Sanae treestump idea

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'm ok with the Ichirin lim -> Sanae treestump idea

I'm not. I'm only killing Ichirin if I think sie has scum equity at this point.

The scum equity is that the Sanae flashwagon worked

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Someone suggested No-limming?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Okay, bye, I really need to run now. sorry I can't stay for more chit-chat!
VOTE: Ichirin Kumoi

Under what Context did Marisa originally vote Sanae?

VOTE: Sanae Kochiya

What do you think about this vote, Aya-San?

Not sure what to make of the "new" Marisa posting.

:/

Ooooh... Do you have something in mind aside fron just a townread? I wanna hear! I wanna hear!

I guess I had higher expectations from you based on the early game (before the current me existed, when it was old-koishi) and so I expected your return to be a flurry of activity and digging in. I totally get the page count being overwhelming, though.

I am left underwhelmed based upon my expectations but also feeling that it's unfair to you, given my own IRL issues causing activity drop-off.

Sorry that I won't be able to hyperpost until the second day phase... but if it makes you feel better, I could provide some spicy takes instead!

Right now I think Sanae Kochiya has a good chance to flip scum. Let me explain why! This day phase, it feels all or most of the slots she's been pushing were very unlikely to get flipped. My impression of her is that she's a good player and I think if she really wanted to she could rally more support for a Koishi or Aya wagon. But instead she complains about these wagons not existing and then says she'll vote Ichirin at deadline. If Ichirin is town then I'm betting that Sanae wants hir to be the misflip today but doesn't want to be a driving force behind it that will get scrutinized tomorrow. So she's putting up a show of voting elsewhere, maybe even voting one of her scum buddies (so there's possibly scum somewhere in Aya/Kosihi/Kagerou), but she's not really trying to get these lims through.

This is not my entire read on her, but I'm bad at writing cases >_<. If you have questions about my read, fire away!

I also don't really buy Sanae-San's reads anymore. I could understand why she was scumreading Kagerou-Chan, but her obstinate scumread on Koishi-San feels like a performance!

[Kaguya Houraisan]

The stump is like a thing 2 game days from now or something.

She can use abilities without enough MP it just kills her so the idea would be use Philosophers Stone to IC which instantly kills and then Treestumps her

[Kaguya Houraisan]

(ALso it is REALLY hard to type Marisa's name for odd personal reasons)

Kirisame, there just saved you some heartcells

[Kaguya Houraisan]

i'm ready to vote Ichirin but it seems like people still wanna do a bit of talking

Same

[Kaguya Houraisan]

If Ichirin's scum there's no point in Sanae treestumping cause she's pretty obviously town there

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I don't believe in re-reading, sorry

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Yes I tried to do enact my ability
No I do not know why it did not work, I can only assume I got role blocked in some way

Yes I know how this day is going to go, but I feel better seeing that there's 1 scum dead at least

The entire end of day yesterday makes no sense to me

VOTE: Aya

What tags does your ability have on it?

Uh
I think active/night unless i'm very badly misreading something

You're saying Fire Water Wood Metal Earth Sign "Philosopher's Stone" is [Active][Night] and not [Spellcard][Night]?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

No, it's under my general 'use spellcard' ability (magic supremacy), which is active/night

It definitely does not have the spellcard/night tag

How does that work?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

VOTE: Sanae

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Aya can you go into the flavor of the Clownpiece hood I think they're trying to fakeclaim here cause "Hood with

Aya Shameimaru

+ Able to Commute to Hell (or Former Hell or Makai idk which Clownpiece is talking about)" doesn't actually make sense for any character flavor wise

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I think Clownpiece is fakeclaiming to be clear here, not Aya

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Ahhh.

So tenshi blocked everyone with Earthquake AND disabled my active for n2.

Tenshi didn't use Earthquake

[Kaguya Houraisan]

These are the posts I find most interesting. Larva was extremely unlikely to have been writing with spew in mind with these posts, as they were nearly UTR'd.

Sanae specifically has dropped in my reads because i have not been super impressed with her recent content and she feels like she’s going through the motions to just get to the end of the day. i’ve been growing increasingly uncertain too so it’s not super egregious or anything, i’m just squinting at her posts more and more as the day goes on

Marisa’s drop in content is understandable due to the extended V/LA but any goodwill she built early on isn’t really enough to maintain my townread, especially now that my scum reads aren’t as solid

Gut doesn't feel like Ichirin's particularly likely to flip scum, what are the alternatives

You.

I just want them to flip already so I have something tangible to work with.

Wait, which player said they were immune to day abilities again. Was that ichirin or kouji?

Kaguya is one of the few slots i haven’t paranoia-spiraled myself out of townreading please don’t do this to me

So what conclusions did you draw from them

I'm not really convinced we SHOULD be killing you today yet.

So yeah, this phase might be "unfun" but it's certainly NOT a forgone conclusion.

Right now I'm weighing a mass claim of night one actions given we've already got like, 2/3rds of them out, it's probably better to just know the rest.

I have no reason to claim anything about my role other than that it prevents me from fake claiming my flavor name

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I think Kaguya always flips wolf here?

Ya think?

Aya Marisa Koishi Reisen never vote
Kagerou likely town probably never voting
in my gut I feel Daiyousei is town
Yuuka and Sanae aren't wolves together.
Kaguya is leftover

I think Sanae always flips maf here

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I think how they chose to come off as particularly competent at it, is a choice though. They’re adding to their credibility in that particular light.

I have Touhou Knowledge^TM and expected people joining a Touhou theme'd game would have the same, it's not that deep

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'd tell you to go accurately claim your commute flavor in the hood but idk how much Aya actually knows about Touhou :\

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'd tell you to go accurately claim your commute flavor in the hood but idk how much Aya actually knows about Touhou :\

I am pretty sure they chose their character with flavor knowledge, so at least some.

But why exactly do you (putting aside flavor) suspect clown here?

Or is it 100% flavormech?

It's like 90% flavormech, 10% newpiece posting

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Okay, I'm with about 0 flavor knowledge, but I find it crazy that in a series with like, five trillion games, you think there's not a single character that could have a flavor reason to have a neighborhood and a charged commute.

Walk me through this?

Is it that the bird tengu person is like, a super recluse in the games and only talks to a few other people?

No there's definitely characters that'd fit the general "hood + commute", the problem was "Hood with

Aya Shameimaru

(The flavor name) + Commute to Hell" which wouldn't really fit

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I know you don't believe in re-reading but I absolutely want to hear your takes on the state of the game overall, even setting aside this mech stuff, in order of priority.

From what I can grok, you're proposing that the team is exactly {Larva, Clown, Sanae}?

I think the team is {Larva, Sanae, a third}, idk who the last scum would be

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Okay, I'm with about 0 flavor knowledge, but I find it crazy that in a series with like, five trillion games, you think there's not a single character that could have a flavor reason to have a neighborhood and a charged commute.

Ignoring the PC-98 games cause the canon got basically rebooted when the swap to Windows happened there's only 5 people that should have enough to do with Hell to have a Commute there and 6 more people that should have enough to do with Former Hell. None of theme have anything to do with Aya though

[Kaguya Houraisan]

*answer on aya's behalf

Aya's conftown outside of Flat Earther levels of conspiracy theories no?