In post 2880, Von Payne wrote:
I think Jupiter and fire being on opposite ends of the Catgirl/Silver Ravens 1v1 is hella scummy. Much like Catgirls' split on the Von/Kirigiri 1v1
It feels like fake dissonance being weaponized for an agenda
these are substantially different situations. the catgirls split you were right i think, that was scummy because it benefits them heavily, alisae could hard push kyoko and then after a townflip maria can show up and push the other side
here that benefit pretty obviously doesn't apply. can you elaborate on your thought process on what the agenda is that you think the dissonance is being weaponized for?
Well it seems pretty clear to me. If you are partnered with either Catgirls or Silver Ravens then your win con is to not get faded after your scum buddy does. I think showing visible dissonance and putting yourself on either side of the 1v1 does two things. One it allows you to vote either way depending on which way the wind blows. This is beneficial because you can just win the game now if the votes go the right way. Two it gives you an out tomorrow if your buddy is faded. You can just blame wanting to go for the conf townie on dissonance
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Post #2896 (isolation #409) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:27 am
Postby Von Payne »
In post 2885, Sunflower wrote:
like idk i think if we were scum here then i would be fully informed of the gamestate and i would know what the ideal path to victory here is and i would have been planning how to reach that for a while
i can't really think of a world where dissonance in this situation would help with that possible plan so im not sure what makes you think that it would
I think your ideal path to victory would be what I just outlined and the dissonance is involved in that path. If the solve is just Catgirls/you then Jupiter wanting to vote Silver Ravens is a pretty decent way to try and just win the game now
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Post #2970 (isolation #411) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:46 am
Postby Von Payne »
In post 2963, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
I also want anyone to look at Von's posting and look and see if that is a villager trying to solve the game or just a mafia pushing the final ML they need to win.
And remember the dead villager that called out Von for being fake and we got rid of sadly.
Or the third (and real) option: a townie that is too disinterested to care about solving
In post 3059, Ydrasse wrote:
maybe "idk our strange actions are because we thought our role had hidden bastard modifiers" is sometimes just a wolf
I don't think we had strange actions at all
we went on an entire tangent lik day 2/3 where your slot said "ohhhh we made these choices and they were all because we thought there was a secret modifier to our role and maybe we could impact it like this or that!" when it would have been a convenient way to tie together whatever thought processes you were posting
That's not what we were saying at all?
We targeted Aureal and Sunflower because we townread them. That applied to Prism and Catgirls as well but to a lesser extent. The extra role theory stuff was just icing on the cake if it happened to be true
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Post #3076 (isolation #423) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:32 pm
Postby Von Payne »
Anyway I'd rather not rehash it but feel free to go back and check for yourself. Yes the conversation was centralized around our theories but that's because people seemed to be putting all the focus on them
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Post #3077 (isolation #424) » Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:52 pm
Postby Von Payne »
Ydra's inaccurate depiction of that whole debacle probably indicates she's town. I feel like scum would make sure to have a better grasp on what we were saying in order to not misrepresent us
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Post #3150 (isolation #430) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 2:11 am
Postby Von Payne »
I'm not sure how we're ever gonna convince the other townie that we're townie. But Jupiter coming in here saying he's 100% sure it's me should be a dead giveaway
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Post #3179 (isolation #435) » Mon Apr 15, 2024 3:27 am
Postby Von Payne »
In post 3163, Ydrasse wrote:
if you think sunflower is a wolf they have an extensive iso and there should be something more compelling in that iso that you can analyze or share that shows why it’s likely them
Yeah but that like requires me to put effort into the game
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Post #3187 (isolation #438) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:53 am
Postby Von Payne »
In post 3185, Sunflower wrote:
the arguments here are framing things as "looking bad" because they know that our actions don't have scum motivation behind them. it's just gotcha attempts
I think the scum motivation behind hammering Catgirls is incredibly obvious
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Post #3188 (isolation #439) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:54 am
Postby Von Payne »
If Enchant is the kill then I feel like this is gonna be a battle of fire trying hard versus me and Drew just doing nothing and ydra is probably going to side with fire. I think the answer would be for Drew and I to try hard but I'm not sure if we have it in us this game. I'll consider it
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Post #3189 (isolation #440) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 2:04 am
Postby Von Payne »
Jupiter hammered Catgirls 30 minutes after I put her to e-1. The double vote plus hammer was the play all along. They made sure they got the hammer in quick before anyone changed their votes
In post 3189, Von Payne wrote:
Jupiter hammered Catgirls 30 minutes after I put her to e-1. The double vote plus hammer was the play all along. They made sure they got the hammer in quick before anyone changed their votes
they posted several times before hammering and after you voted - why didn’t they immediately vote?
My guess is they were still talking to Silver Ravens in the PT about the double vote or something. I'm not really sure. They could have been going over options where they hammer and don't win immediately
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Post #3194 (isolation #442) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:00 am
Postby Von Payne »
In post 3193, Enchant wrote:
I remember Von voted catgirl long before and hammer also didn't happen.
If they were worried about ydra's role and the possibility of the hammer not winning the game then they would have to do it in a relatively townie way. IE Jupiter hammering and then acting like he didn't know it was a hammer
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Post #3199 (isolation #444) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 3:19 am
Postby Von Payne »
In post 3198, Sunflower wrote:
like you could try to argue that we're scum who for some reason decided to bet the game on things not being over when ydra clearly was softing a role that potentially could affect things
or you could try to argue that we're scum who thought we could get away with voting if we did it in a towny looking way (while also deciding not to just be patient and play things out in a fairly normal way)
I think the optimal play was to vote Catgirls but you still had to do it in a believable way in case the game didn't end. So I'm not really seeing the issue here
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Post #3204 (isolation #446) » Tue Apr 16, 2024 5:07 am
Postby Von Payne »
In post 3200, Ydrasse wrote:
i’m going to rock bottom now trying to glean any scrap of knowledge and i’m curious if anyone has any thoughts on this whatsoever because otoh it’s safe to claim you visited a partner but also i feel like with her role being to find potential dreamers she really did just visit sunflower with that idk
Is it safe for her to say she targeted a partner? I feel like a tracker or watcher or something could have foiled that super easy and it would be two scum dead
In post 1480, Ydrasse wrote:
reading through some things i kind of feel like if aureal is a wolf von payne is one too based off of earlier defending. the hider thing is enough for me to be fine with aureal dying i think but i’m meh about her flipping wolf. is more of a “i hope so” than an i know so.
also i think that the in thread neighborhood role feels more elegant in my heart to be a wolf role. seems more in line with the game design i would expect for this game than it being town
SAVE ME PAST ME
I'm not going to be upset if you just end up choosing us. I don't think we've been particularly townie so I can't really blame you. If there's anything I can do to make your decision easier lmk
In post 3200, Ydrasse wrote:
i’m going to rock bottom now trying to glean any scrap of knowledge and i’m curious if anyone has any thoughts on this whatsoever because otoh it’s safe to claim you visited a partner but also i feel like with her role being to find potential dreamers she really did just visit sunflower with that idk
Is it safe for her to say she targeted a partner? I feel like a tracker or watcher or something could have foiled that super easy and it would be two scum dead
is… the implication here ultimately then that aureal visited a town sunflower .
Yes, but if Enchant is the NK then that implication goes away because I don't think you can be scum here
In post 1129, Catgirl Chipotle wrote:
Can I just say how ironic this is considering you openly said you're going to "not talk to any of your wolfreads and ignore them?" I'm not as sold as my hydra partner is on you being a wolf Gimli but when your reads change entirely overly irl days with barely any posts in-between in some instances to justify those flips it's odd. Then to have the confidence to go "My wolfreads are so correct that I'm going to ignore them!" Like, to me you have to be a wolf making this up or this is a new level of egotistical delusion that I haven't seen before.
Let's not forget if I remember correctly a lot of this was made during the first moon phase.
Spoiler: some of my PT work
trying an experiment here to see if I survive day 2
I'm ISOing a random guess at a scum team: klick, catgirl and actiondan
catgirl: post #91 is very strange commentary post. I do not believe maria cares this much about people "talking about dreams so much" that she has to make any comment on it. *note to self: one post in and I'm already tunneling this slot*
#100 is bad mech as we all know
#102 is another comment that I just don't see maria feeling the need to make when she is a townie. it's clear that kyoko is either towning or emulating a towny perspective on dream guesses: yes the dream guesses are supposedly NAI, but can't there be towny ways to do that? I see no reason why they COULDN'T, and I see no point in maria talking down an early townlean like that unless she has reasons to either scumread the player or to scumread kyoko. again, filler commentary that sucks.
#112 is bad mech again
then klick finally shows up... repeating catgirl's bad mech reasoning. it's kind of a bad post, kinda awkward idk. post #126
AD shows up with #200. I remember seeing towny things in this post, but are they there really? it starts really bad with spitey comments that don't say anything about anything. I do kinda like the post, though. let's see how this goes.
catgirls #212: still scum. #215 is how scum townreads a towny. I should maybe bring this up tomorrow.
AD's #229: yeah I don't think AD is scum.
ok so like, catgirl is scum. but who is it scum with? my first impression is NOT with AD
and if both AD and hu tao are townies, then either klick went full TMI on d1, or klick is just a townie with good impressions.
I think the best defense for town!klick is that he tried a counterwagon to town!hu tao and also to maybe town!AD
he did go to aureal but I think it makes sense and I'm not so sure if aureal is indeed town or if she just pocketed me really hard.
I have to find other partners for catgirl anyway. I wonder if prism fits the bill.
yeah I don't think its aureal either
so prism, there's a lot of hmmmm stuff about her, isn't there? should be worth exploring
I don't hink #84 is such an organic thought on re-read. it feels just too much like posturing and making logical sounding posts that don't amount to much.
catgirl and prism are having a little disagreement on mechanics but it does NOT mean absolutely anything wrt their alignments, of course. what's worse is that prism used this later on to justify having a townread on the hydra because she 'doesnt think alisae would disagree with me on mechanics'. I'll catch that post and put here when I find it.
#158 also doesnt feel like a real thought and if prism is a townie and this is what she does as a townie then im not impressed at all and I think she is just not a very good scumhunter (in before scum dragoneater)
I will also note that the townread on hu tao could easily be TMI on her part. and that's because all the possible wagons were lending on townies anyway, so posturing with a defense of hu tao gives you townpoints.
#195 also just sounds like bullshit and not a real read.
I have to really case prism if I wanna put this through though.
I'll note that catgirl's #212 "I find Dragon's posting towny and I don't understand the townread's on Prism's slot.
There posting is very well written like reading a royal script, but I would've come to expect that as either alignment. If any of the people townreading them wish to expand more on why that would mean a lot" I once again have a problem with maria/ali having a problem with people's reads that don't talk about anyone specifically and that don't have a read on prism or anything like that. again, this is filler, this isn't solving.
#215-#216 is a whole lot of awkwardness from these players. I think they have high svs equity and I hope to god I'm right and getting somewhere with this.
I think its prism/catgirl and then, lets see...
I think AD townreading prism like that happens when he is a townie and she is scum or whatever but not when they're scum together, I don't think. or maybe? idk
I'll trust that ydra is town. I think I'll trust that klick is town.
goddammit I don't think its sunflower man. maybe its aureal after all? shit.
this + enchants behavior the past like few days and also not being on the wagon means that i shrimply don’t think he’s wolf
In post 1480, Ydrasse wrote:
reading through some things i kind of feel like if aureal is a wolf von payne is one too based off of earlier defending. the hider thing is enough for me to be fine with aureal dying i think but i’m meh about her flipping wolf. is more of a “i hope so” than an i know so.
also i think that the in thread neighborhood role feels more elegant in my heart to be a wolf role. seems more in line with the game design i would expect for this game than it being town
SAVE ME PAST ME
I'm not going to be upset if you just end up choosing us. I don't think we've been particularly townie so I can't really blame you. If there's anything I can do to make your decision easier lmk
i get that i wasn’t as active early on and railed against the early neighborhood activity and usefulness but currently i really and truly don’t know if i can find you as town if you don’t offer something or a reason it’s anyone else that has weight behind it. a case or connection with the other wolves finding motivation in someone’s iso - literally anything that shows that it could be another person
like if you are town i’ll admit atm i am sinking this ship but with the less and less heart in this game it reads more to me like the game was supposed to end and it suddenly didn’t and there’s not… a lot of places for you to go
but if i’m wrong i seriously need something from you that can convince me otherwise
Let me see who dies and then I'll know who scum is for sure and I'll work on a case
In post 3200, Ydrasse wrote:
i’m going to rock bottom now trying to glean any scrap of knowledge and i’m curious if anyone has any thoughts on this whatsoever because otoh it’s safe to claim you visited a partner but also i feel like with her role being to find potential dreamers she really did just visit sunflower with that idk
Is it safe for her to say she targeted a partner? I feel like a tracker or watcher or something could have foiled that super easy and it would be two scum dead
is… the implication here ultimately then that aureal visited a town sunflower .
Yes, but if Enchant is the NK then that implication goes away because I don't think you can be scum here
i don’t follow idk if we are talking past each other but i read this as it’s dangerous for aureal to visit a partner so she doesn’t and actually visited sunflower who is town to avoid pr stuff
is it just that this is what happened in a town enchant world or that aureal ultimately lied or etc
If this is what happened then Enchant has to be scum
In post 3215, Ydrasse wrote:
how would you know who it would be for sure thoigh if i die if you’re positing two different possibilities currently?
For some reason I didn't think you could die
If you die then this is gonna be really hard for me
also if you’re town sorry for being demanding of you if you can’t or anything but it makes me worried if you’re unwilling to case now etc because it can come across like trying to avoid engaging with a townie
is drew still active too?
Well I'm at work so I can't case now anyway. And I'd rather just wait for someone to die so it makes it easier for me