Shell Game (Day 4)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sup homies I'm an ascetic

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sup

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Firebagel

thanks for your contribution

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

firebagel town for being funny

you didn't both need to scum-claim on page 1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Will not somebody rid us of this troublesome bear?

I'm ascetic you can shoot me at night if I'm that scary

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

firebagel town for being funny

you didn't both need to scum-claim on page 1

well firebringer was supposed to but he isn't here rn so i had to cover for him

Firebringer is my loyal mafia hunting best canine friend he would never go mafia-side without me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Let me guess, you're also a seraph knight who is also day action immune.

nah just straight up ascetic no joke

I'll start a cult later but I have to claim ascetic now cuz optimal play etc

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh snap pagetop #1 taken already

Cabd&Fferyllt 0 - Pooky 1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i got excited because i am in a pt and i thought pooky was in there with me, but unfortunately not. Guess we will just make this thread our pt.

Whats up best bear?

they'll never suspect we're masons with this banter gj

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Gambling will be allowed.

gambling is already allowed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Workplace benefits package on MS be wild.

facts

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I should run a casino this game too

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is it against the rules to bet imaginary pooky bucks on your town/scumreads

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have this idea for this casino [accuracy counter thing] where we can bet Pooky Bucks [imaginary points] on people's alignments.

so to participate all you have to do is list the entire PL as follows:

Strong Townreads: <Names Here>
Townreads: <Names Here>
Townleans: <Names Here>
Null: <Names Here>
Scumleans: <Names Here>
Scum: <Names Here>
Strong Scumread: <Names Here>

and whenever someone flips you gain/lose points based on accuracy of your last bet[readlist] with higher gains/losses based on the strength of your read.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'll start;

Strong Townreads: Firebringer
Townreads: Save the Dragons, Shello and Goodbye, PenguinPower
Townleans:
Null: Everyone Else
Scumleans:
Scum: Firebagel, Morph The Cat, Sunflower
Strong Scumread:

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what I really need is someone to tell me how many mafia there are so I can set proper odds

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cabd buddy can you help your friendly casino operator out and let me know if this is a 5 scum or 6 scum game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

5

you're just trying to lowball it to bankrupt me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Maybe I am, but where is ur proof

i feel it in my bones

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yoink

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what I really need is someone to tell me how many mafia there are so I can set proper odds

5 is most likely for 22 players.

I wouldn't be shocked if Cabd wasn't joking about double traitor 4 groupscum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky, you're not allowed to set up a new casino until you pay off the debts from the last one!

VOTE: Pooky

that was a trial run

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

RIDE OR DIE

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

all pagetops stolen during my slumber don't actually count btw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i actually townread every animal whose posted so far which means I might do the Animal Police Department in lieu of a cult this game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Do dragons count as an animal?

Chuck Rab

thats a fox sir

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

didnt pay the mod enough to get hood privs. sux to suck

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can someone add me to the hoods

As stupid as it may sound, I actually townread this because it deeply resonated with me lol

Dannscum running circles around Detective KittyCat

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spiffeh hasn't really exited his scumrange but I'm giving the Mouse an A for Effort to encourage him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I should rate my animal police department by towniness now that I think about it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Towniest

PenguinPowa[Best Bird]
Firebringer[Undercover Operative]
SaveTD[Wolf Warrior]
Shello[Is there even an animal under there?]
Spiffs[Mouse Wizard]
CSF[Detective KittyCat]
MorphCat[Wine Society]
Hermit Crab[Hidden Threat]

Least Townie

I don't think I missed anyone.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yoink

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

luke my boy who do you think is mafia rn im too lazy to look at the vote count

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

luke my boy who do you think is mafia rn im too lazy to look at the vote count

I'm currently on Actiondan.

VOTE: actiondan

i haven't read a thing this guy has posted but I'm here for you homie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dunnstral if you murder spiffeh and he flips red I will give you his spot in the APD

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why does anyone expect spiffeh in an alt game to be a useful comparison to naked spiffeh who's absurdly self conscious

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i imagine if spiffeh rolled mafia in this player list he would be in agony after every post

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

morph the cat (fferyllt & Cabd)
Firebringer
marcistar
Oblivion
Save The Dragons
Ydrasse
Cat Scratch Fever

considering 5/7 of these are members of the APD my legal department will be sending you an official protest of read theft

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow look at this smooth criminal buttering me up next i know you're going to have some kind of cute cat avatar

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The pookys readlist? Animal crew? Clearly jokes why is it 3ven being debated.

excuse me ms marci my readlists are deadly serious and an extension of my divine will

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying

bruh I am going to shamelessly do 0 effort this game and simply read people off my mood and how their avatar looks at me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying

I've been called both lackluster and tryharding so far

both words are kinda accurate ngl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that's valid and i respect that

is jups gonna post this game or what

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying

this is especially annoying when ur scum and the meta reads are accurate imo

facts

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think there's exactly 1 mafia in our hood

the best setup would be if there's 5 mafia and 1 townie in the hood ngl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there's only 5 people in our hood

whos in your hood again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm telling you one of the hoods is actually just the scum pt

that would be pretty wild if the mafia had to pretend their pt was just a hood

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm 100% making up stuff this game

except that part about being ascetic

that's tru

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dannflor what happened between thinking sunflower town to voting. I missed things i think

the flower/dannflor kdrama is intense this game I love it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

watch they're gonna actually be mafia together and dannflor's just going to write like a 700 page dissertation about what kind of cereal flowerisred is eating for breakfast

that's the best timeline

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky is totally in his scum zone btw

nah i would totally never claim ascetic as mafia

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nothing makes me happier than to watch cop shots evaporate on hitting my tushy bottom and fizzling

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

YALL I FINALLY REALIZED WHAT MY HOODMATES WERE SAYING

THATS SO SLAY.

I think theres exactly 1 scum in my hood.

who is it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

In the role pm theres listed 4 options and theres 5 of us.

what does this even mean

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bear you're so late to the party that all you get is the stale crumbs from the cracker plate.

i'm not late if you haven't gotten answers out of her yet

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

We think each town got 1 option. And that scums aware and trying to blend in.

so why dont u all just claim which one you got and whoever is the double has to have a scum in it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the game cant be this simple but in case it is i am so here for it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Uhhhhhhh I think the edible has kicked in and may be playing a factor in my potential misunderstanding

spiffeh popping performance enhancing drugs to calm down his anxiety smh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Critical thinking skills got left behind in the mafia PT and outsourced to a try harder I see. You must have gotten somebody who thrives on setup spec with you.

bruh i never had critical thinking skills lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I refuse to believe that Pooky doesn't know exactly what is going on here with all of the clues. This is like "help dora the explorer figure out which train to ride" level of easy given everything itt already.

your lack of imagination is noted and we will go over it in your next performance review

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Since we sont know which one we have. We cant cc eachother until we prove it.

whos in your hood again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yoimk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Also, I think this revelation prooobably makes Action Dan town.

time to kill dan choo choo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

They only gave me three others, double traitor be wack.

Interesting.

a game with 2 dethy hoods and 2 traitors would be lit ngl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

My playstyle may be overinfluencing my take on that. :/

I didn't sign up for this game for a lecture on the eloquence of crumbing about diners in the 1900s

I signed up to kill baddies

if you want to kill someone else in the hood you can make your case I promise I won't like totally not read it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ALSO MINE MINE MINE MINE

NOT YOURS SCUMBEAR

imagine triple posting to get a pagetop because you're getting slow in your old age smh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Same slot, different heads, silly old bear. That was a legitimate snag and you're just salty.

wow imagine coordinating a simulpost with your hydra partner to get a pagetop desperate much

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have absolutely no issue with being vigged as long as whoever shoots me shoots morph next night

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

always happy to entertain you spiffs

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

whos in your hood

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

always happy to entertain you spiffs

ur happy to entertain anyone u slutty bear

rude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i remember sunflower (? i think it was them?) pointed out that its unfair if we dont let actiondan speak and just wagon him.

why cant that just be scum!sunflower trying to look good post town!actiondan flip

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol cakez

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yoink

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i s2g i didnt coordinate that with firebringer in the scum pt we share

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Maybe we just townreading his avatar

i would never fall for such a trick

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh im so here for this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my finger slipped

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my finger slipped

not a valid excuse

i blame you for not making a post when you said you would

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

rude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we need to vote the people we want to kill instead of talking in circles

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If this is your impression of the game state, I'm done being sarcastic or snarky about it, you're just completely checked out of the thread and that's not really helpful and makes me think you're doing it because you're Mafia.

lol if i was mafia I would just let you keep boring everyone to death while whistling show tunes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you really think i'm that unhelpful because I want to get actual wagons going and pressure people rather than talk about your townread on random person over there in a 22 player game with each other person in the game then i can shut up and let you cook and lets see what the results are buddy but so far your reads r p bad lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yeah, I could very easily kill the bear today.

skill issue

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this game is less than 24 hours in

some people haven't posted

you're on track to hit 200 posts b4 we get to 24 hours

so when I say I am bored of you repeating the same nonsense over and over again I mean its bad for thread health.

I asked you to commit to an actual push so we can get somewhere instead of listening to you wax poetic about how you sound.

this is the same issue you had in Touhou where you spent pretty much all of day one talking and almost none of it pushing anything useful.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also, which of our reads do you disagree with, and why?

who have you actually pushed to kill today?

so far all I see is you whining about someone vigging me and not much of a push to kill anyone else

so I know your lone scumread is wrong because I know my own role.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont believe in playing POE nonsense where you write a bunch of crap ab

Other head is tagging in. Who are you really really for reals scumreading?

Also, who are you and what did you do with Pooky?

if I got to pick who dies in the hood I'd pick sunflower but i dont mind defering to other people cuz I dont care that much and i dont really have that much confidence in the read this early

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Touhou? WHAT?

cabd took my slot in touhou upick

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think sunflower is mafia because I think his posting is made for an audience and not made to move the game state foward

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am aware of the possibility that I can be wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I thought you wanted people to push what they believe in?

yes the people who are NOT voting in the hood

so we get like data and wagons and you know things happening.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm fine sheeping someone else's beliefs

they can be right and I can be wrong.

it is what it is.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

look if you're town and you want to kill bad guys its really easy to make me happy

just tell me you think ____ is mafia and we should yeet them and i'll vote for that person with you and we can hopefully sail off to meowhalla together as conquering heroes

i just cant handle 500 posts of musing about wine preferences before you actually push to kill someone

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm not saying we have to kill someone immediately

lets at least camp out in front of their house with torches and threaten to show them a good time or something

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

id prefer inside the dethy but if you have like a 90%+ slam dunk scumread i'm not gonna complain about getting the freebie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Klick

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yoink

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

- pooky i think is strange because usually when people get really huffy and puffy over stuff and are like "kill me and then them" i err towards them being town but with him i feel like that's in his Wolf Wheelhouse to break out easily so idk what to make of it

what am i being huffy and puffy about again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont think ive ever said kill me this game so idk where you're getting that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have absolutely no issue with being vigged as long as whoever shoots me shoots morph next night

if someone repeats four times in the first day of a game for any vig to shoot me, I'm going to ask that if it's done that they pay with their lives on the next night.

that is not me asking to get shot or killed. I have not at any point asked to die or whatever.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Can someone who knows Pooky please iterate whether this is a normal amount of swindler/conman/slimy that this slot is?

oh cool we're going into insults already

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

man im just not going to talk to the asshole half of this game

fuck ya'all

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there is no universe where I would see you as a threat

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean the point i cared more about was the first part where you okayed being shot which is something, if not in this exact context, ive done as wolf more than once and i feel you would do too. you can be town being upset too but from experience i just feel like you get more upset/angry/etc like this as a wolf sorry

my point is I have never asked to be killed in this game so it is strange to me that is what you are getting from what I posted.

I simply said IF a vig actually listens to Cabd's constant harping that they should do me a favor and get hit on the next night

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You sound so burnt out on mafia.

nah i was having fun chilling with people b4 the insults started flying out of nowhere this is mostly a chill pl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there is no universe where I would see you as a threat

Man you are unpleasant, huh?

You are an odious creature and you bring out the worst side of me because I absolutely cannot stand being insulted by random strangers on the internet

it is an unfortunate personality flaw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Okay this is... an overeaction and a half. What is it even meant to say? It is clearly trying to speak about the manner in which you approach the game. The only player here being personally insulting, from its view, is you.

no this is a dirty filthy lie and you know it

you knew exactly what you were doing when you decided to call me "slimy/conman/etc"

if you wanted to ask if this is how I play the game you could simply have said some shit like "does he always play like this?" or "what are some of his completed games I could have as a meta check"

instead you went straight to insulting to troll me and get a reaction because thats the type of person you are and I find it absolutely insufferable and DOUBLY so because now you're trying to pretend like you weren't trying to insult me to my face.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you literally said hey is he always such a slimy conman

and now you're saying oh this is just the approach to the game i'm talking about, I'm not talking about his character or how he talks

like wtf?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Your playstyle reads like someone who swindles others. It is a GAME. ABOUT. LYING. TO. OTHERS. You read as someone DANGEROUSLY CAPABLE.

if your question is "is pooky capable of lying"

then obviously yea im capable of lying

but thats not the direction you went at all

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You are entitled to your opinion, it isn't how it intended it. But your continued personal attacks on it are completely not worth its time.

i literally told you i didnt want to speak to you and you kept talking to me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you continue to speak to me when I have asked you to stop talking to me over and over again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am angry at being called a slimy conman when Im just trying to have fun



you can call me mafia, i absolutely do not give a shit if you call me mafia

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you said its ok for you to call me a slimy conman since we're just playing a game

except how I act in this game is p much how I act in real life so it is hurtful to me for someone to say I'm being a slimy conman.

most of the time I am just joking.

I do not make a habit of lying in real life

I do not know a single life or con I've even done in this game let alone wtf you r talking about

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hey pooky, whats ur opinion on actiondan

that thing where he thought millers couldnt be in the game might be kinda townie but i dont really have an opinion

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like, can you assume perhaps that the person who knows exactly zero about who you are outside of a stuffed bear emoji and the 100 posts or so you've made this game perhaps isn't trying to read deeper into your personal life psyche and is speaking more about how you play a fucking online game?

Can it be afforded at least that much good will for fucks sakes?

does oblivion always act like a self absorbed narcissist who enjoys insulting strangers on the internet to get townread?

anyone play with it before?

^

if I said that about you how would YOU feel

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you keep pretending like a playstyle can be separated from who we are and since you're talking about my playstyle I can't possibly be insulted that you decided to say I'm a slimy conman

i have already offered you a solution - we simply stop talking to each other and everyone will be better for it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fine who am i trying to manipulate

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok lets rewind to where you called me a slimy conman and pretend everything past that never happened ok?

you dont have to read anything i said to you as alignment indicative because frankly its not, I would be pretty insulted as either alignment if someone called me a slimy conman and go nuclear on them.

I will pretend you're not insulting me to my face and leave it at that.


you say I'm being manipulative.

where am I doing that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Will not somebody rid us of this troublesome bear?

I'm ascetic you can shoot me at night if I'm that scary

This is manipulative too! Like, it gets this is a joke but it feels like you baring your fangs to scare someone off from something before it gets bigger!

Like, it's not a bad thing, it's a tool you're using but it just wanted to know whether it was the norm! Fucks sakes!

thats me saying to morph if he's mafia and he's scared of me he can shoot me

that's a joke

it is not me trying to scare morph

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if morph was mafia they would be scared of me because I'm pretty sure I've never misread Morph in my life and they know I can p easily pick up on either of their scum tells and also get a large enough wagon to hit them.

i do not need to scare morph if morph is mafia.

also if morph is town there is no way morph town would be scared of me because they would expect me to read them correctly regardless of my alignment

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Right but then there is talk about vigilantes and such which to it felt like it was more than just "shoot me if you're scared of me, scum"

the chances of morph being mafia is far higher than morph being a vig, I did not say it to them as in "if you're a vig you can always shoot me" the implied meaning is that if they're mafia they can shoot me if they're scared of me. it is a friendly taunt.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Critical thinking skills got left behind in the mafia PT and outsourced to a try harder I see. You must have gotten somebody who thrives on setup spec with you.

bruh i never had critical thinking skills lol

Like it read this post when it was instructed to read the "post Dethy reveal" and went "huh? what?"

wheres the manipulation again

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Why is this a truism? Like, you state it with authority but it doesn't understand why that is just blanket true?

because we've played a lot of games together and I am familiar with how they play town and scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

they expect me to read them correctly, so if they are town, they would expect town!me to get to a point where I think they're town, they would also expect scum!me to get to a point where I think they're town in order to obfuscate my alignment. They would not expect me to fake a scumread and push them because I'm too lazy for that shit.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It felt like a deflection with humour. Like... you were aware you maybe should have picked up on something but didn't and so deflected with humour when from its assessment you are clearly precisely the type to notice things.

well I have two choices about how to interpret his comment towards me not thinking critically and "playing dumb".

The assumption here is that from my point of view I'm "not playing dumb" this is just how I am.

(1) He's joking, I respond with a joke.

(2) He's not joking, he's actually saying that the only way I could be this dense is if I'm mafia playing dumb- in which case if I'm town then he's straight up calling me dumb. I choose to believe my friend isn't calling me dumb and he's just making a jest.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

they expect me to read them correctly, so if they are town, they would expect town!me to get to a point where I think they're town, they would also expect scum!me to get to a point where I think they're town in order to obfuscate my alignment. They would not expect me to fake a scumread and push them because I'm too lazy for that shit.

It... what? What? huh?

It does not understand this logic remotely. How is it not possible you would misread them ever?

ofc I can be wrong

I dont remember being wrong in the recent past so I expect I will be right.

I also expect them to expect I will be right.

Its possible I misread them and totally forgot about it, I don't have great memory and I tend to forget mistakes.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this doesn't make a lot of sense to it as a duality of choices either. Why isn't 3) he thinks you're scum who intentionally missed that because you don't normally miss that and so is poking you on it, but there are worlds where you as town don't live up to the expectations of skill he has of you exist too?

that is literally what choice (2) says

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

look I have high standards for myself

I fall short of them all the time.

but until I fuck up I'm not gonna believe I'm wrong about something I think I'm right about.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

his point is

"Pooky is mafia who is playing dumb because there's no way Town!Pooky would miss this."

so if I'm town and I missed it, the implication would be that I'm dumb.

I don't think he's actually calling me dumb here; I think it's a joke. that's why I respond with a joke.

I do not expect him to call me dumb for missing something in a game of mafia. I do not pay attention to detail and dutifully read every page I miss, I just log in and see what's popping.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't understand what you can't fathom

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I find the way the comment was phrased to be insulting if it was not meant in jest

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also like how does one even leave their critical thinking skills behind in a scum pt with someone else?

like is he seriously saying I put my brain cells with my scum partner?

I'm assuming thats just a joke right? cuz if its serious that doesnt even make sense tbh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I find saying someone lacks critical thinking skills to be insulting if its a serious comment.

but I kind of dont think its a serious comment because on its face it doesnt even make sense in a serious way?

so thats why I treated it as a joke.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

morph you know what would really annoy me

is if this game wasnt a dethy and it was just 5 random sanity town cops thrown in a hood and you just decided it was a dethy and the real shell game was the scum conning us into thinking this is a dethy and its not really a dethy

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84557

cuz like im looking back at fakegod's dethy and its pretty explicitly stated that its a dethy but here we don't actually have an explicit statement that we're playing dethy.

and if the entire scum team is laughing at you doing this and we're going down this rabbit hole I'm gonna be so annoyed.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

just because they all decided its dethy doesnt mean it has to be dethy

there is no explicit moderator statement in that hood that its a dethy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

FWIW I'm with you here, they did start calling you names

What the heck dude, are you trying to rekindle this fight? We don't need this.

the fight was p much over atp.

i assume this is just emotional support/sympathy, which i always file under "nai but appreciated"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and who is wolf?

awoooooooo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: STD

I don't actually believe he's mafia but I support making things happen and sometimes members of the APD have to put their lives in personal danger to bait out the mafia

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…………hoooot hooooot…………….

what happened to skitter? is she doing alright?

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morph you know what would really annoy me

is if this game wasnt a dethy and it was just 5 random sanity town cops thrown in a hood and you just decided it was a dethy and the real shell game was the scum conning us into thinking this is a dethy and its not really a dethy

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84557

cuz like im looking back at fakegod's dethy and its pretty explicitly stated that its a dethy but here we don't actually have an explicit statement that we're playing dethy.

and if the entire scum team is laughing at you doing this and we're going down this rabbit hole I'm gonna be so annoyed.

Would this make the mod message that if there is scum in the game x days from now, they scum team get a prize, just a pure mod misdirect in this world view?

I forgot about that mod message when I wrote this out. I mostly was thinking along the lines of "the previous game was very explicit about the makeup of the hood" and the members of the hood seem to be uncertain about the makeup here so its not an apples to apples comparison and he's making a leap of judgement that its something that its not explicitly stated that it is and I'm not sure if thats accurate or because he wants to be playing the same game again.

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my main point is that "there is exactly one scum in this hood" is a very dangerous assumption to make because it can really fuck us if its simply not true

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theres so many people id kill b4 firebringer

for example the badly done imitation bagel edition

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it would be sad if my doggo ditched me over a bagel tho.

hilariously understandable too. maybe he dared her to scum claim in main thread.

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awwooooo

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im gonna run a regression on pagetop to alignment for that last game i played to check his assertion

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pooky we gotta kill this guy

its ok ill just keep feeding him doggie treats he cant resist those.

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idk if i find it believable that dann and fire both cant find a push they like in this PL

if anything i feel like theres lots of super shady folks who need to be run up and threatened at gunpoint.

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Brian I always wanted to ask you this but is that an egg on your head

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just sheep Maria

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nah she's town this game she hasn't tried to flirt with you at all

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Maria is in this game?

yeah she is one of the heads to the anon hydra

Is this as accurate as your guess that I'm Doctor Drew?

ok maria

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BUT LOOK

you wait long enough and marci will scumclaim

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Okay since morph doesn't want my vote i leave it open to the game.
Guess what cheese im thinking of u become a double voter for 48 hours

Gouda

this is totally scripted in a scum pt

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Spoiler: The Official Pagetop Scoreboard

Team Animal Police Department is currently smoking Team Everyone Else 51 to 20

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I'm just waiting for someone to come tell me that one (or more!) of my assessments is bad, dumb, or wrong (and why!)

But no one has.

Maybe I did this to myself by using spoiler tags.

i agree with bagel ad spiff

i think gypyx is kinda scummy

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Do you give any weight to the mix up?

I do not

I mostly read gypyx by how comfortable she is interacting with the thread and she doesn't feel nearly as comfortable from what I remember in dance game

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I actually liked Gypyx's early scum read on me and refusal to back down when I engaged with her. It's a weird choice to lock-scum read me when scum!Gypyx knows I'll be breathing down her neck and watching her closely.

what scumread r u talking about

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I kinda think Firebringer's closer to his scum meta than his town meta cuz I think he does more when he's town but I refuse to give him the satisfaction of voting for him because I would have to pay him like a gajillion Pooky Bucks from our bet in the scum PT.

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Spoiler: Doing Pooky Homework for him

Hello gamers

VOTE: spiffeh

this is not RVS vote

I'd be curious as to why people are townreading spiffeh if anyone is

I'd be curious as to why people are townreading spiffeh if anyone is

You might have more luck if you explain why you’re NOT Town reading me and seeing how people respond vs. calling me scum with no explanation and expecting people to feel the same way!

I'd rather die than scumcase someone after the disaster that have been my reads lately

it's also more of me not seeing it so like, i wanna know, not engaging in a battle to the death with u

I'd be curious as to why people are townreading spiffeh if anyone is

You might have more luck if you explain why you’re NOT Town reading me and seeing how people respond vs. calling me scum with no explanation and expecting people to feel the same way!

I'd rather die than scumcase someone after the disaster that have been my reads lately

it's also more of me not seeing it so like, i wanna know, not engaging in a battle to the death with u

I am not looking to get into a battle to the death. I don't find your hesitance to townread me all that surprising given our recent history, and I actually think certain players have given me a free pass this game that I haven't earned (which I will address at some point), since nothing I've really done has been outside of my scum range imo

I do take issue with your initial (seemingly) confident scum read on me crumbling immediately upon calling you out and asking you to elaborate.

I'd love to rekindle what we had in Kemusan if you're Town here, so a good first step would be to explain why you're scum reading me, or actually doing something about it!

Still curious about your explanation for scum reading me if you could give that.

You'll find that you are no longer alone in those sentiments if that makes you feel better!

Well, to put it in a few words my reads lately haven't been stellar, so i kinda lacked the confidence to push through and assert my read

haven't read your recent posts but basically this game, you feel like you're trying to reproduce your town style instead of actually being town?

Spoiler:

Hi everyone, I am undisputedly Town and any notions to the contrary will not be tolerated!!!

Also, the scum team is Firebringer, PookyTheMagicalBear, Klick, Sunflower, and Lukewarm

VOTE: Sunflower

Ok the site is too laggy for me to keep refreshing the thread so I will instead devote my time to casing someone on page 6!

I have similar concerns about fireisredsir.

*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!


Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.

Grrrrrrr.

i was fluffier entering kemusan which you both saw so this is an interesting take

What has snagged your attention so far?

actiondan is interesting to me. feel safe leaning town for now i think although scum is possible

pooky a little towny

dunn a little towny although his willingness to elaborate so much on reads already was quite surprising to me. i don't think it's scummy though, just surprising

y'all i think feel eager to dig into things which is probably a good enough sign for now that id rather let you do that, although i think the point on me is one that feels misapplied

if i were to put a bet on a scum rn i think id guess STD. that's based on almost nothing however id still take the pookybucks

firebagel feels likely to be readable given time so not worried there rn

I don't like either of the above from Sunflower

The first deflects morph's (imo valid) point about their fluffiness by mentioning one game where they were fluffy early on as town. By mentioning this, it demonstrates that they are aware of their town meta and therefore should have no problem replicating it, so I'm not sure the purpose of even saying this other than to try to get morph off their back.

The second post feels like scum artificially inflating the word count to look like they have substantial thoughts, idk how to really articulate it but it feels insecure to me. The ActionDan read is basically "I think town but he could be scum" which is very non-committal, so what's the point of including it in the first place? The comments about morph and STD follow this same pattern, though less explicitly. It feels like they felt the need to pad their response to morph to make it look like they were thinking about the game critically and it resulted into a bunch of "reads" that don't actually tell me anything.

These, along with their not so stellar (but not quite irredeemable!) early posts makes me happy with my vote on them.

@Sunflower:
1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?

Mostly vibes

You came into the game engaging heavily and asking questions in a way that felt pro-town

And while I don't necessarily agree with some of your conclusions, I believe that you believe the things you are saying

Hi everyone, I am undisputedly Town and any notions to the contrary will not be tolerated!!!

Hi Gypyx I think you may have missed this post? Super embarrassing for you but I'm willing to overlook it if you sheep me onto Sunflower

I’m so proud of that Eternity Larva post you quoted, probably my towniest post in that game lol

That kinda was all that

especially it's a bit metagamey but in kemusan i mentionned TR'ing you for saying you got a town PM, and the way you're doing it here feels very deliberate

I am aware of how to press iso on Gypyx I just can't believe Spiffs thinks this is a serious case worthy of consideration

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imma be mad if pooky and firebringer are scum without me

Im gonna be mad if penguin and firebringer are scum without me

could've been one of those all time GOATED teams

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like I read gypyx iso and its a lot of mech stuff which I know she'd feel more comfortable talking about as scum

as for the spiffeh "sr"

Spoiler:

Hi everyone, I am undisputedly Town and any notions to the contrary will not be tolerated!!!

Also, the scum team is Firebringer, PookyTheMagicalBear, Klick, Sunflower, and Lukewarm

VOTE: Sunflower

Ok the site is too laggy for me to keep refreshing the thread so I will instead devote my time to casing someone on page 6!

I have similar concerns about fireisredsir.

*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!


Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.

Grrrrrrr.

i was fluffier entering kemusan which you both saw so this is an interesting take

What has snagged your attention so far?

actiondan is interesting to me. feel safe leaning town for now i think although scum is possible

pooky a little towny

dunn a little towny although his willingness to elaborate so much on reads already was quite surprising to me. i don't think it's scummy though, just surprising

y'all i think feel eager to dig into things which is probably a good enough sign for now that id rather let you do that, although i think the point on me is one that feels misapplied

if i were to put a bet on a scum rn i think id guess STD. that's based on almost nothing however id still take the pookybucks

firebagel feels likely to be readable given time so not worried there rn

I don't like either of the above from Sunflower

The first deflects morph's (imo valid) point about their fluffiness by mentioning one game where they were fluffy early on as town. By mentioning this, it demonstrates that they are aware of their town meta and therefore should have no problem replicating it, so I'm not sure the purpose of even saying this other than to try to get morph off their back.

The second post feels like scum artificially inflating the word count to look like they have substantial thoughts, idk how to really articulate it but it feels insecure to me. The ActionDan read is basically "I think town but he could be scum" which is very non-committal, so what's the point of including it in the first place? The comments about morph and STD follow this same pattern, though less explicitly. It feels like they felt the need to pad their response to morph to make it look like they were thinking about the game critically and it resulted into a bunch of "reads" that don't actually tell me anything.

These, along with their not so stellar (but not quite irredeemable!) early posts makes me happy with my vote on them.

@Sunflower:
1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?

Mostly vibes

You came into the game engaging heavily and asking questions in a way that felt pro-town

And while I don't necessarily agree with some of your conclusions, I believe that you believe the things you are saying

Hi everyone, I am undisputedly Town and any notions to the contrary will not be tolerated!!!

Hi Gypyx I think you may have missed this post? Super embarrassing for you but I'm willing to overlook it if you sheep me onto Sunflower

I’m so proud of that Eternity Larva post you quoted, probably my towniest post in that game lol

That kinda was all that

especially it's a bit metagamey but in kemusan i mentionned TR'ing you for saying you got a town PM, and the way you're doing it here feels very deliberate

^ SRing Spiffeh for his opening post[which is like a meme opening he does in every game] when you're 50 pages into the game and there's plenty of other content to actually try to form a read on him with, is just ??? doesn't feel like Gypyx is really trying that hard to read Spiff's alignment or persuade people to think Spiff is scum. If anything she's just clinging onto the initial SR in a fashion that I find pretty unbelievable.

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But also, Gypyx was not Reisen in that game. She was Kagerou, right?

ngl i didnt even know gypyx was kagerou this just makes me SR her more rofl

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eyeroll

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Im gonna go buy reinsurance on my bet before the official vote count comes out

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I will get there but I am not trusting town reads on cabal people this early

how do you know hermit crab is a cabal person

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Pooky I already said I’m notsci are you readin

where did u say u were notsci

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ok so why would sircakez see u say ur notsci on page 78 when he logged in at page 79

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and dude claims he hasnt even caugh up with the thread

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to put it plainly

i did not notice you said you were notsci and im reading this thread

so im confused how mr I'm high and not caught up knows this

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I'm doing theatre with my boy cakes

i gave him the answer 10 minutes ago but he was too high to type it in

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our scum discord is just me yelling at him to get his shit together for the last 15m no lie

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i'm not even sure cakez is scum but watching cabd dunk on him is always worth the price of admission esp when he's high

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why can't cabd dunk on me

cuz you enjoy it

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yoink

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they are also making a lot of posts that I think they would think would get scum read if they were scum, but they are posting them anyway

isnt this just too scummy to be scum written in a fancier way

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it also has to do with me having played with fire a lot and feeling like I have a decent handle on what he's self conscious about as scum

you're going to have to spell out the exact read if that's the line you're taking

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yoink

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Luke I still think my cat is town but it's too late in the evening for me to properly read your post and then go back over the context to make sure I understand it but I promise you I will do it at some point when I have time.

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if we yeet flower today and he flips scum we murder dannflor and bingle immediately btw

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I’m the superior animal detective and you know it. Not only do dogs have a keen sense of smell I have the ability to move because I’m not a stuffed animal.

woah shots fired

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just because I haven't moved all game doesn't mean I can't move

I simply choose not to because this spot is very comfortable

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if we yeet flower today and he flips scum we murder dannflor and bingle immediately btw

Bingle, sure. I actually think dann is town independant of sunflower and would fite that

Although honestly i'm not sure sunflower + bingle make so much sense together either, but i'll admit it has to do with how much Bingle may have read before so this isn't a great thought

I would never fite you <3 but i wouldnt be surprised if you were wrong!

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mafia love scumreads that don't go anywhere what

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ig I kind of think Dann's defense of Sunflower is scummy if Sunflower is mafia is because when I asked him for the receipts here;

it also has to do with me having played with fire a lot and feeling like I have a decent handle on what he's self conscious about as scum

you're going to have to spell out the exact read if that's the line you're taking

he just didnt answer me

tho I guess it could be that he went to bed or whatever ~.~

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Why do you think flowerscum indicates Bingle scum and is it recursive?

you're defending flower in a very shady way without really elaborating on why you think flower is town.

like you call out morph for their tmi "case" on flower which is very eye-roll but you don't say anything that flower did is actually townie for whatever reason

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like the line of logic of

"this case is bad" ->. they should know better -> they are mafia using a bad case to go after flower who is town(?).

is ? to me because I don't know where you got "this case is bad" indicates they're mafia. if anything I'd expect them to come up with bad cases if they're town because I'd think scum!them would be more likely to think about whether this "case" even makes sense to begin with before pressing the submit button.

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mafia love scumreads that don't go anywhere what

Generally yeah but i don't think this is how (competant) scum generally have a scumread on morph

ok but if the goal of competent scum is to put a chip in the wall and get townread this is pretty much textbook since its literally achieving that strategic purpose.

if anything I think if you're town and you think this person is scum and they're very unlikely to come under pressure and many people are saying they're town and they have a strong town rep, you

don't

say it out loud because casting doubt on the alignment makes it LESS likely they get nightkilled and really brings you nothing strategically.

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That sounds more like a reason to scumread me independently than a reason to link us, tbh.

the link lets me evaluate two alignments - if I stated it just as an outright suspicion it would be less useful

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It’s not that the case is bad, it’s that the case isn’t something they would think. It’s a fake reason. Bad cases aren’t scummy, manufactured cases are.

of course they thought it.

if they weren't capable of thinking it, it wouldn't have gotten posted in the first place

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Do you really think me sussing morph is likely to prevent them being nightkilled if they’re town?

I was talking about Dannflor with Skitter in terms of the strategic implications of stating a scumread that you do not expect to go anywhere

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Sure, which is why I asked for the punnet square. But literally nothing about what you’re saying is a link, it’s just a “Bingle is being weird, I think he’s scum”

the point of the link is to reaction test you

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like if you're mafia and you're whiteknighting sunflower, you're more likely to ignore me because sflower flip -> murder bingle is not a threat to you since you know sflower will flip town.

whereas if you're mafia and you're defending scum sunflower, you're more likely to engage me since sflower flip -> murder bingle is a threat since you know sflower will flip mafia.

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yoink

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maybe if we run him up again he'll come back

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why is flower town

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Sunflower, what are your current thoughts on morph?

ffery is town and cabd is scum

i am absolutely a coward as town, you don't know me

Posts like this, gamestate.

Also, I would like to clarify that flower is town in comparison to the rest of that hood, not town compared to my townreads, but that doesn’t really change much.

this doesnt compute for me

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Your turn.

can you use simple words to explain what you are asking me for

for example I am asking you for "why do you think sunflower is town" and your explanation is currently "game state" and "posts like these" with literally 0 explanation attached

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Why? Both of those seem like things flower is actually thinking. They’re useless and don’t advance anything, but they’re also very truthy.

what does that have to do with flower being town

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r u just trolling me