In post 485, Sunflower wrote:
people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
this is especially annoying when ur scum and the meta reads are accurate imo
i was referring to reads on other people as the ones that annoyed me
This response is perhaps too self conscious based off of what Dannflor said. It wasn't pointed at you but you feel defensive about it.
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
In post 264, Dannflor wrote:
which probably makes sunflower town because 149 is the type of post to make it look like you're sorting someone and get town read by the person you are pushing it isn't the type of post you make to push a scum buddy
In post 149, Spiffeh wrote:
Ok the site is too laggy for me to keep refreshing the thread so I will instead devote my time to casing someone on page 6!
*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!
Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.
Grrrrrrr.
i was fluffier entering kemusan which you both saw so this is an interesting take
actiondan is interesting to me. feel safe leaning town for now i think although scum is possible
pooky a little towny
dunn a little towny although his willingness to elaborate so much on reads already was quite surprising to me. i don't think it's scummy though, just surprising
y'all i think feel eager to dig into things which is probably a good enough sign for now that id rather let you do that, although i think the point on me is one that feels misapplied
if i were to put a bet on a scum rn i think id guess STD. that's based on almost nothing however id still take the pookybucks
firebagel feels likely to be readable given time so not worried there rn
I don't like either of the above from Sunflower
The first deflects morph's (imo valid) point about their fluffiness by mentioning one game where they were fluffy early on as town. By mentioning this, it demonstrates that they are aware of their town meta and therefore should have no problem replicating it, so I'm not sure the purpose of even saying this other than to try to get morph off their back.
The second post feels like scum artificially inflating the word count to look like they have substantial thoughts, idk how to really articulate it but it feels insecure to me. The ActionDan read is basically "I think town but he could be scum" which is very non-committal, so what's the point of including it in the first place? The comments about morph and STD follow this same pattern, though less explicitly. It feels like they felt the need to pad their response to morph to make it look like they were thinking about the game critically and it resulted into a bunch of "reads" that don't actually tell me anything.
These, along with their not so stellar (but not quite irredeemable!) early posts makes me happy with my vote on them.
@Sunflower:
1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?
Compare to recently ended scum-spiff scumcase on town early D1:
In post 1520, Eternity Larva wrote:
my self-involved reason for scum reading Koishi has to do with their treatment of me ever since 2.0 replaced in and that feeling hasn’t ever been absolved.
i also never townread their predecessor.
buddying town reads can very much be a play style thing but the bulk of their ISO, as many others have pointed out, is less progressing the game forward and more positioning and endearing themselves to people, more performative than gamesolvey.
i don’t have their ISO open but I remember noticing there’s been a couple times where they’ve praised myself (and others?) for certain posts because they were able to get a lot out of it or something, which is a safe way look like you’re analyzing the game without revealing your thoughts or making a stance. to be fair, my recent questioning into this did generate a decent response about their thoughts on Yuuka and admittedly gave me town feels.
before sharing their thoughts on Yuuka yesterday i could not tell you one scum read that Koishi held. and even prior to this Yuuka was just middle of the road for them. while my poor reading comprehension could be a contributing factor, struggling to identify the scum reads of the player with the highest post count is concerning and again points more toward scum putting on a show of genuineness and effort
this is why i’m looking forward to their wall posts on some of their not-town reads
these are my thoughts off the top of my head so they are a bit scattered but result in a scum read. i will admit i felt some glimmers of towniness from my interactions with Koishi yesterday which is why i swapped back to Kagerou, but i’m done allowing minor town pings distract me from a body of work that is scummy overall.
I’m fine with either being eliminated
I don't think this was a good comparison. The Eternity Larva post is 1500 posts into Day 1 where I'm scum, feeling myself, and being widely townread by the masses. My ~case~ on Sunflower was post 149 before anything's really happened (also I'm Town here but that's beside the point!). In Touhou, someone specifically asked for reasons why Koishi was scum so I was happy to jump in and oblige to earn further town points. Here, I posted the Sunflower case with zero prompting.
I'm sure there was a more apt comparison that you could have made earlier on in Day 1 of Touhou that you didn't, and I'm left wondering why.
I interpreted your question to Dannflor as your explanation for why you were town reading me, so it feels like unearned buddying especially when the circumstances are VASTLY different.
Especially coming out of Touhou where Cabd especially was snowed by me super hard and I expect him to be incredibly wary of my every move this game.
Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood the point you were making.
Morph any response to this?
I don't think Cabd is around atm.
I'm curious why you thought I made that post. Also, did you have a response to my cryptic comment about Kemusan and WH13?
I just ISO'd you and can't figure out why I thought that was you.
I think you are referring to the fact that we mind meld fairly often and easily when we are Town together. The crypticness of your post makes me think you are not currently town reading me.
I'm townleaning you, but there is a mindmeld concern and an overall ~playing to meta?~ concern.
watch they're gonna actually be mafia together and dannflor's just going to write like a 700 page dissertation about what kind of cereal flowerisred is eating for breakfast
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
In post 485, Sunflower wrote:
people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
Who are you sub tweeting here?
spiffeh and morph mostly
i think there was a third that made it feel like a pattern but idr who
In post 478, Spiffeh wrote:
My edible is kicking in and I am really not in the mood to keep reading so I'm going to haphazardly engage with some of you in real time until I don't feel like it anymore
PEdit: @Ydra I agreed with your assessment of Luke's early posts, how do you feel about his interaction with Morph specifically?
i think that luke came out of it feeling better to me than morph, his read about it being a jedi mind trick into town on morph felt believable. i don't think that morph was wolfy during it though
At the time I felt like Luke was a little too accepting of Morph as Town after that interaction
Like "yay Morph is townreading me now let me return the favor so they get off my back"
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
i am not intending to get pooky elimmed, i just want to be that one guy who constantly warns of the devil with the knife in the background and get ignored until everyone is dead and i go "i told you so"
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
In post 485, Sunflower wrote:
people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
this is especially annoying when ur scum and the meta reads are accurate imo
i was referring to reads on other people as the ones that annoyed me
:blossom:
This response is perhaps too self conscious based off of what Dannflor said. It wasn't pointed at you but you feel defensive about it.
it was absolutely pointed at me wdym
:blossom:
My thoughts were that you reacted to Dannflor saying it's especially annoying when you're scum and assumed they were talking about you.
Thouh I can see how you could interperet it as Dannflor taking a jab at you.
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
In post 485, Sunflower wrote:
people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
Who are you sub tweeting here?
spiffeh and morph mostly
i think there was a third that made it feel like a pattern but idr who
Have you considered that I was using my admittedly flimsy meta read on Ydra as an entry point to engage with her and see if others felt the same way as me about the things that DO bother me?
(I recognize this is an unfair thing to assume that you would catch, but the above is approximately 40% of the reason I presented that post in the way that I did!)
Also which of the two of us are "doing it as town"?
In post 485, Sunflower wrote:
people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
this is especially annoying when ur scum and the meta reads are accurate imo
i was referring to reads on other people as the ones that annoyed me
This response is perhaps too self conscious based off of what Dannflor said. It wasn't pointed at you but you feel defensive about it.
it was absolutely pointed at me wdym
My thoughts were that you reacted to Dannflor saying it's especially annoying when you're scum and assumed they were talking about you.
Thouh I can see how you could interperet it as Dannflor taking a jab at you.
In post 478, Spiffeh wrote:
My edible is kicking in and I am really not in the mood to keep reading so I'm going to haphazardly engage with some of you in real time until I don't feel like it anymore
PEdit: @Ydra I agreed with your assessment of Luke's early posts, how do you feel about his interaction with Morph specifically?
i think that luke came out of it feeling better to me than morph, his read about it being a jedi mind trick into town on morph felt believable. i don't think that morph was wolfy during it though
Luke was accurate about what I was doing with the UNO card. I kinda doubt he knew what our point was, or why the convo led to such a townread for both heads.
In post 478, Spiffeh wrote:
My edible is kicking in and I am really not in the mood to keep reading so I'm going to haphazardly engage with some of you in real time until I don't feel like it anymore
PEdit: @Ydra I agreed with your assessment of Luke's early posts, how do you feel about his interaction with Morph specifically?
i think that luke came out of it feeling better to me than morph, his read about it being a jedi mind trick into town on morph felt believable. i don't think that morph was wolfy during it though
At the time I felt like Luke was a little too accepting of Morph as Town after that interaction
Like "yay Morph is townreading me now let me return the favor so they get off my back"
