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Post #92 (isolation #6) » Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:23 pm
Postby Dunnstral »
My thoughts so far:
Sunflower in post 13 struck me the wrong way as I wasn't expecting that post from fireisredsir, and then they had a lot of filler type posts. They then call me towny and I'm not sure what they are basing that off of either with the 4 posts I had before.
ActionDan's post 86 rubs me the wrong way because I don't agree and don't know how they reached their conclusions. Perhaps they can explain.
In post 93, Dunnstral wrote:
I am leaning towards believing that Pooky is a town ascetic
Eyebrows raised, pinky twirled, chamomile served, tell me over tea.
I find the claim believable, and it is something that can be (dis)proven. I don't believe scum ascetic is a common role, while it a semi-common negative utility role for the town.
Sunflower in post 13 struck me the wrong way as I wasn't expecting that post from fireisredsir, and then they had a lot of filler type posts. They then call me towny and I'm not sure what they are basing that off of either with the 4 posts I had before.
ActionDan's post 86 rubs me the wrong way because I don't agree and don't know how they reached their conclusions. Perhaps they can explain.
It... is a little concerned by this. Ignoring the part about Sunflower, what part of ActionDan's posting was strangely reached to you? This slot is calling the player who scumclaimed as an opening scum, which it thinks doesn't need much explination? Certainly there's ways to end up on either side of that read but explaining?
You appear to be an experienced player, can you explain to it why this read in particular is rubbing you the wrong way for not explaining their conclusions when half of it appears somewhat Face Value to it?
I did not say I was suspecting ActionDan for not explaining their conclusions; I said that I don't agree with their conclusions, and perhaps they can explain so I know where they are coming from.
I feel I've discussed ActionDan's entire post already; I disagree with their townread and don't know where they got to the scumread (I would say null on Firebagel myself).
Sunflower in post 13 struck me the wrong way as I wasn't expecting that post from fireisredsir, and then they had a lot of filler type posts. They then call me towny and I'm not sure what they are basing that off of either with the 4 posts I had before.
ActionDan's post 86 rubs me the wrong way because I don't agree and don't know how they reached their conclusions. Perhaps they can explain.
Sunflower is because of forces outside the main thread. I will not explain that at this time, but may before the day is through.
Firebagel was because as an alt that may very well only exist for the purpose of stealing Firebringer's scum claiming gimmick, it hadn't posted for a page.
In post 264, Dannflor wrote:
which probably makes sunflower town because 149 is the type of post to make it look like you're sorting someone and get town read by the person you are pushing it isn't the type of post you make to push a scum buddy
In post 149, Spiffeh wrote:
Ok the site is too laggy for me to keep refreshing the thread so I will instead devote my time to casing someone on page 6!
*WE* have concerns, simultaneously and independently!
Fire seems to have taken the "Jupiter in a scum slot fluffyness" and made it a part of himself right now. And I don't like it one little itty bitty bit.
Grrrrrrr.
i was fluffier entering kemusan which you both saw so this is an interesting take
actiondan is interesting to me. feel safe leaning town for now i think although scum is possible
pooky a little towny
dunn a little towny although his willingness to elaborate so much on reads already was quite surprising to me. i don't think it's scummy though, just surprising
y'all i think feel eager to dig into things which is probably a good enough sign for now that id rather let you do that, although i think the point on me is one that feels misapplied
if i were to put a bet on a scum rn i think id guess STD. that's based on almost nothing however id still take the pookybucks
firebagel feels likely to be readable given time so not worried there rn
:blossom:
I don't like either of the above from Sunflower
The first deflects morph's (imo valid) point about their fluffiness by mentioning one game where they were fluffy early on as town. By mentioning this, it demonstrates that they are aware of their town meta and therefore should have no problem replicating it, so I'm not sure the purpose of even saying this other than to try to get morph off their back.
The second post feels like scum artificially inflating the word count to look like they have substantial thoughts, idk how to really articulate it but it feels insecure to me. The ActionDan read is basically "I think town but he could be scum" which is very non-committal, so what's the point of including it in the first place? The comments about morph and STD follow this same pattern, though less explicitly. It feels like they felt the need to pad their response to morph to make it look like they were thinking about the game critically and it resulted into a bunch of "reads" that don't actually tell me anything.
These, along with their not so stellar (but not quite irredeemable!) early posts makes me happy with my vote on them.
@Sunflower:
1. What makes morph and Dunn's takes about your fluffiness "interesting" and how does this inform your read on them?
2. Can you go into more detail on the ActionDan read?
Compare to recently ended scum-spiff scumcase on town early D1:
In post 1520, Eternity Larva wrote:
my self-involved reason for scum reading Koishi has to do with their treatment of me ever since 2.0 replaced in and that feeling hasn’t ever been absolved.
i also never townread their predecessor.
buddying town reads can very much be a play style thing but the bulk of their ISO, as many others have pointed out, is less progressing the game forward and more positioning and endearing themselves to people, more performative than gamesolvey.
i don’t have their ISO open but I remember noticing there’s been a couple times where they’ve praised myself (and others?) for certain posts because they were able to get a lot out of it or something, which is a safe way look like you’re analyzing the game without revealing your thoughts or making a stance. to be fair, my recent questioning into this did generate a decent response about their thoughts on Yuuka and admittedly gave me town feels.
before sharing their thoughts on Yuuka yesterday i could not tell you one scum read that Koishi held. and even prior to this Yuuka was just middle of the road for them. while my poor reading comprehension could be a contributing factor, struggling to identify the scum reads of the player with the highest post count is concerning and again points more toward scum putting on a show of genuineness and effort
this is why i’m looking forward to their wall posts on some of their not-town reads
these are my thoughts off the top of my head so they are a bit scattered but result in a scum read. i will admit i felt some glimmers of towniness from my interactions with Koishi yesterday which is why i swapped back to Kagerou, but i’m done allowing minor town pings distract me from a body of work that is scummy overall.
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Post #408 (isolation #18) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:06 am
Postby Dunnstral »
I am in agreement with thinking 1 or 0 mafia in the other neighborhood. Last night my gut was to say Marci and Actiondan were town. I do think it was overall positive that the hood was revealed. Klick's response seemed fine. Dannflor did make a point about ActionDan pushing Marci that I am considering.
Marci the answer to why would the mod tell you if there were no mafia would be mod wifom. Also somebody mentioned unclaimed mechanics still?
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Post #429 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:38 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 415, Spiffeh wrote:
Dunnstral I was just about to passionately explain why I was townreading you after reading up on what I skimmed over but now you've lost that privilege due to your shenanigans
I don't think I did that much.
Would it be correct to say you'd prefer not to be posting in our neighborhood?
morph the cat (fferyllt & Cabd) -- the way that ffery uno reverse carded my questioning in order to instead get a read on me jedi mind tricked me into thinking she could be town.
Firebringer -- I liked the dichotomy presented in 384, where he shot down the assertion that you have been tonally off this game, but then doubled down on the fact that he is leaning scum on you for unrelated reasons. I also agree with his tonal take fwiw, your tone has seemed innocuous to me.
marcistar
Oblivion -- I liked the way it jumped into serious questioning early, and liked the prods being made. I also liked the way it prodded at people town reading it. And just its general tone while rebuffing CSF's suspicions.
Save The Dragons -- probably the silliest one, and one I would have left unsaid and just waited for newer and better reasons to town/scum read them if not asked, but it was him leaving a wagon with the naked morph vote, followed by 365 saying it was just for funzies. My heart said that that was town.
Ydrasse -- I still vibe with her opening post being townie, her immediate suspicion on me reminded me of our last game together where she was suspicious of me for giving her early town points for *vibes,* and then our back and forth on fireisred sir felt right.
Cat Scratch Fever -- Miller claim + I liked the way they questioned Oblivion, even if I disagreed with it, it looked kinda genuine to me.
Thumbs up. Do you think miller claims are more likely to come from town?
I saw people arguing over pooky. Thats fucking wild and i want to say no. The pookys readlist? Animal crew? Clearly jokes why is it 3ven being debated.
Dunnstral is it actually just wifom? Im so confused but what does everyone else feel?
IM REALLY FUCKING SCARED FOR MAFIA TO GET A BUFF I WANNA ELIMINATE THAT POSSIBILITY SO BADLY.
my hoodmates are also trying to explqin this fyi, but like idk...
I also tr someone else abd i forg9t who it was uwu
It
could
be wifom. It is possible that there is mafia in your hood - there really isn't enough to go off of to say for certain so far. I think having 2 or more mafia would make it difficult to shut off the buff, and on the flip side perhaps put the scum team in an awkward spot if they have that much attention on them from design early.
So I agree with the people who are saying 0 or 1 mafia. The thing is they aren't saying there is 0 for sure, just acknowledging the possibility that there could be.
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Post #466 (isolation #29) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:09 am
Postby Dunnstral »
VOTE: Sunflower
This one maybe, I had bad feelings about those votes on Marci
For Sunflower I was a little off-put about how they reacted to Morph vs how they reacted to me when there was early suspicion, and they say it was because my read was more "gut"
I thought they were trying to take advantage of the situation but the meta they linked was pretty clear - moreso than what I expected, so I decided to back off
It's still possible that they are trying to take advantage of the situation
I saw people arguing over pooky. Thats fucking wild and i want to say no. The pookys readlist? Animal crew? Clearly jokes why is it 3ven being debated.
Dunnstral is it actually just wifom? Im so confused but what does everyone else feel?
IM REALLY FUCKING SCARED FOR MAFIA TO GET A BUFF I WANNA ELIMINATE THAT POSSIBILITY SO BADLY.
my hoodmates are also trying to explqin this fyi, but like idk...
I also tr someone else abd i forg9t who it was uwu
It
could
be wifom. It is possible that there is mafia in your hood - there really isn't enough to go off of to say for certain so far. I think having 2 or more mafia would make it difficult to shut off the buff, and on the flip side perhaps put the scum team in an awkward spot if they have that much attention on them from design early.
So I agree with the people who are saying 0 or 1 mafia. The thing is they aren't saying there is 0 for sure, just acknowledging the possibility that there could be.
Ahh! I get it now thanks.
But why suggest 0 or 1 before everyone has even talked?
The 0 or 1 is a mechanical assumption, not based on reads of other players
This one maybe, I had bad feelings about those votes on Marci
For Sunflower I was a little off-put about how they reacted to Morph vs how they reacted to me when there was early suspicion, and they say it was because my read was more "gut"
I thought they were trying to take advantage of the situation but the meta they linked was pretty clear - moreso than what I expected, so I decided to back off
It's still possible that they are trying to take advantage of the situation
how do you think they would take advantage of the situation? like is it just him saying she did it in a prior game to push her here or is there anymore?
and did you have a read of dann b4 that?
I was mostly neutral on Dannflor, it felt like they would be taking advantage of similar suspicion on Marcistar to push Marcistar. It's not about lying with the meta, it's saying that they did something similar with no context to feed into suspicions. I changed my mind when I looked at what they linked (about Dannflor, not about Marci)
Speaking of which, Marci, why did you claim so quickly?
In post 466, Dunnstral wrote:
For Sunflower I was a little off-put about how they reacted to Morph vs how they reacted to me when there was early suspicion, and they say it was because my read was more "gut"
why do you think this makes me more likely to be scum
:blossom:
I feel you were being more wary of Morph as if you were more afraid of them and so that's why you responded more in depth to them. And you had already called me town so maybe it was harder to pivot away from that.
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Post #487 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:19 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 485, Sunflower wrote:
people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
I've been called both lackluster and tryharding so far
In post 485, Sunflower wrote:
people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
:blossom:
I've been called both lackluster and tryharding so far
In post 415, Spiffeh wrote:
Dunnstral I was just about to passionately explain why I was townreading you after reading up on what I skimmed over but now you've lost that privilege due to your shenanigans
I don't think I did that much.
Would it be correct to say you'd prefer not to be posting in our neighborhood?
Yes.
I will utilize the neighborhood more during Night phases, but don't really care enough to check it often during the Day when we have the actual game thread.
Do you want to talk to me about why you called that one post scummy with no explanation? Is there anything I've presented in the thread you that also rubbed you the wrong way, or is your scum read on me based primarily on my neighborhood activity?
I'm not sure if I feel that way anymore if I consider that you were going along with a bit regarding Firebringer being mafia, but you were over-the-top and said what if you were faking your read on them without specifying if you actually were in response to Herr Mitt's criticisms of you - and generally I felt you ignored us talking about the other neighborhood too.
In post 485, Sunflower wrote:
people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
this is especially annoying when ur scum and the meta reads are accurate imo
i was referring to reads on other people as the ones that annoyed me
:blossom:
This response is perhaps too self conscious based off of what Dannflor said. It wasn't pointed at you but you feel defensive about it.
In post 485, Sunflower wrote:
people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
:blossom:
I've been called both lackluster and tryharding so far
In post 485, Sunflower wrote:
people keep being overly eager to paint meta reads off incomplete/inaccurate data with no shame or concern whatsoever and the fact that some of them are doing it as town is annoying
this is especially annoying when ur scum and the meta reads are accurate imo
i was referring to reads on other people as the ones that annoyed me
:blossom:
This response is perhaps too self conscious based off of what Dannflor said. It wasn't pointed at you but you feel defensive about it.
it was absolutely pointed at me wdym
:blossom:
My thoughts were that you reacted to Dannflor saying it's especially annoying when you're scum and assumed they were talking about you.
Thouh I can see how you could interperet it as Dannflor taking a jab at you.
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Post #593 (isolation #47) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:55 am
Postby Dunnstral »
Yeah we can slow down.
The neighborhood should collectively decide whether we should eliminate within them or outside of them today since they have more information available to them.
I do think the time limit is probably not going to trigger on the first night, just off of game design
In post 584, marcistar wrote:
In the role pm theres listed 4 options and theres 5 of us.
what does this even mean
We think each town got 1 option. And that scums aware and trying to blend in.
If you each have a different option, mafia would have to be ccing one person
Since we sont know which one we have. We cant cc eachother until we prove it.
OK. To me from this it sounds like we should be letting people prove it and then proceeding to a 1v1 cc tomorrow. But I also understand that scum likely has interference and things would not be so easy, in reality.
I mean I think most of us can put together "five players similar roles" and get the obvious answer regardless. So the not morph cat is already out of the deathy bag.
Yeah, I get it.
We should probably kill in that hood.
I think the hood should have a HUGE say in whether that's the right direction.
Yes I agree. They have more information than us and I don't think it is right to force claims. And there are competent mechanics players in that pt for sure.
I am sensing annoyance at things happening behind closed doors. There is stuff to do out here too: Analyze reactions, who seems genuine and who seems insincere? Who is pretending?
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Post #691 (isolation #59) » Mon Apr 29, 2024 11:25 am
Postby Dunnstral »
In post 684, Hermit Crab wrote:
My guess is that if the Dethy isn't solved by the end of D2 then the entire Dethy hood gets eliminated.
It is a very spicy guess, I'm aware.
-Herr Mitt.
I very much doubt this, this would be a huge penalty to town