Elemental Trinity: Endgame

[Infinity 324]

Rach why did you claim?

I want everyone who was in the dark pt + maybe rach to give their opinions on me and cass's readslists.

[RachMarie]

because we had a death and I got a positive result.

[RachMarie]

Plus if people are going to discredit me based on activity level, after I have been VLA and will likely be VLA again before everything is said and done, then there is not point in not claiming.

[cassielle]

For the record: my questions related to RachMarie's slot are largely about this "question marks" person. I'm suspicious of that, because it feels odd that she has an unnamed target.

Now that it's a public claim, though...
If you are question marks: keep it to your damned self.
If you are not question marks: don't go looking for question marks.

I will treat hunting for RachMarie's unknown benefactor as scumclaiming. I townread her play, her claim just feels bizarre to me. (But then you have Chilly Dayz... so I'm okay with treating it as town for now.)

[cassielle]

Oh, and it's probably a good idea to say:

Because you can't be mechanically confirmed in a pro-town fashion (i.e., without outing your benefactor), RachMarie, I'm putting you in my personal scumpool. This isn't about townreads or townplay, this is about "Realistically, could this slot be scum in a balanced way?" And realistically -- yes, your slot could be scum. I'm working on gamesolving right now, my reads are just to try and sort out the order and figure out who I can trust.

You're far down the list in my scumpool, though, so don't worry about being today or tomorrow's lynch (short of a guilty, if you end up being scum).

[Infinity 324]

Yume - town because reasons
Postie - probably scum
McMenno - I liked his posting a lot (from what there was)
TiphaineDeath - town cause dark pt stuff
nancy - scum
PeregrineV - probably town because reasons
KFC (Fluminator et al.) Narna - ?
MariaR - probably scum
RachMarie - ?
The Glitter Patrol - town for posting
Moth PimHel - town for moth's posting
Davesaz - town cause dark pt stuff
Frozen Angel cassielle - town for posting

Yume - town
Postie - probable scum, 75%
McMenno - nulltown: lurky but the posts that exist are obvtown
TiphaineDeath - town if Davesaz is town, unknown if Davesaz is scum
nancy - scum, 95%
PeregrineV - town
KFC (Fluminator et al.) Narna - unknown
MariaR - probable scum, 75%
RachMarie - nulltown: v/la explains lurking, content looks good. Some questions remain
The Glitter Patrol - nulltown: impossible to mechanically confirm (i.e. scum can lurk here) but doesn't feel like scum at all
Moth PimHel - unknown
Davesaz - town if TD is town, scum if TD is scum
Frozen Angel cassielle - literally me, town
Infinity - mechanically confirmed town

This is what I want people with dark pt info to give opinions on

[MariaR]

How many people are evenn in that PT

[RachMarie]

Infin's List

Yume - town because reasons
Postie - probably scum
McMenno - I liked his posting a lot (from what there was)
TiphaineDeath - town cause dark pt stuff
nancy - scum
PeregrineV - probably town because reasons
KFC (Fluminator et al.) Narna - ?
MariaR - probably scum
RachMarie - ?
The Glitter Patrol - town for posting
Moth PimHel - town for moth's posting
Davesaz - town cause dark pt stuff
Frozen Angel cassielle - town for posting

Cass' List

Yume - town
Postie - probable scum, 75%
McMenno - nulltown: lurky but the posts that exist are obvtown
TiphaineDeath - town if Davesaz is town, unknown if Davesaz is scum
nancy - scum, 95%
PeregrineV - town
KFC (Fluminator et al.) Narna - unknown
MariaR - probable scum, 75%
RachMarie - nulltown: v/la explains lurking, content looks good. Some questions remain
The Glitter Patrol - nulltown: impossible to mechanically confirm (i.e. scum can lurk here) but doesn't feel like scum at all
Moth PimHel - unknown
Davesaz - town if TD is town, scum if TD is scum
Frozen Angel cassielle - literally me, town
Infinity - mechanically confirmed town



I think they are very good read lists, the fact there is some discrepancy is good too. I would say that I am closer to Cass' list than yours, I still think dave is probably scum for example. I definitely do not believe Nancy's claim and I think the fact she and others are trying to move away from proving it, which lynchproof is easy to prove. And it is something we need to know BEFORE MYLO or LYLO, is indicative that its a fake claim.

Another reason for claiming. After all pushing a wagon on me gives the scum a chance to keep us from proving nancy's claim. And I am all too familiar with how easy it is to get a wagon going on me. I want us to stay focused on what we need to do, lynch scum. Including that question marks personage whomever they happen to be.

I caught scum last night. I am far weaker than a cop or even a tracker would be, but I still want to make sure town has my result.

[MariaR]

Can we lynch scum dave now ty

[RachMarie]

benefactor what benefactor?

I have the chance to find out when a scumz is doing wrong, Im basically a very weak investigative role. I don't give a rats ass if I die, as long as the scum dies. The one who did an action last night and killed a townie.

[TiphaineDeath]

Meh, nancy-postie-mari are scum, only hard town-reads I have are Inf-Cass-Glitter, the rest is a stew.

[TiphaineDeath]

Marie also comes across as pretty hard-core town for her last couple posts though tbh.

[RachMarie]

we need to test Nancy's claim now not in MYLO or LYLO. Plus I don't think she is true claiming, and she might even be my target the question marks person, whom I caught red handed last night.

[MariaR]

Can you call her Rach or me Maria so I can get less confused ty

[RachMarie]

yeah I was thinking he meant you lol

Since I am Rach and most peeps call me Rach its short for Rachael my first name and Marie is my middle name.

[TiphaineDeath]

Mari-Scum
Marie-Town

But yes, I will work on that .

[Infinity 324]

I think they are very good read lists, the fact there is some discrepancy is good too. I would say that I am closer to Cass' list than yours, I still think dave is probably scum for example. I definitely do not believe Nancy's claim and I think the fact she and others are trying to move away from proving it, which lynchproof is easy to prove. And it is something we need to know BEFORE MYLO or LYLO, is indicative that its a fake claim.

Another reason for claiming. After all pushing a wagon on me gives the scum a chance to keep us from proving nancy's claim. And I am all too familiar with how easy it is to get a wagon going on me. I want us to stay focused on what we need to do, lynch scum. Including that question marks personage whomever they happen to be.

I caught scum last night. I am far weaker than a cop or even a tracker would be, but I still want to make sure town has my result.

So just to be clear your result is not just "your target performed an action", it's actually a guilty?

We could try to use your passive to find that person in that case.

I want to explain a couple on non-mechanics based reads if you could, doesn't matter who they are.

[cassielle]

I think they are very good read lists, the fact there is some discrepancy is good too. I would say that I am closer to Cass' list than yours, I still think dave is probably scum for example. I definitely do not believe Nancy's claim and I think the fact she and others are trying to move away from proving it, which lynchproof is easy to prove. And it is something we need to know BEFORE MYLO or LYLO, is indicative that its a fake claim.

Another reason for claiming. After all pushing a wagon on me gives the scum a chance to keep us from proving nancy's claim. And I am all too familiar with how easy it is to get a wagon going on me. I want us to stay focused on what we need to do, lynch scum. Including that question marks personage whomever they happen to be.

I caught scum last night. I am far weaker than a cop or even a tracker would be, but I still want to make sure town has my result.

So just to be clear your result is not just "your target performed an action", it's actually a guilty?

We could try to use your passive to find that person in that case.

I want to explain a couple on non-mechanics based reads if you could, doesn't matter who they are.

I didn't catch this either.

Okay, never mind. Let's hunt down question marks.

[Infinity 324]

I want to lynch TD because the flip gives us so much info. If town it means postie is more likely to be scum. If scum it means maria is more likely to be town and dave is scum.

[MariaR]

or

or

Dave is scum
With Postie
and me/TD are town :ooooooooo

[cassielle]

I want to lynch TD because the flip gives us so much info. If town it means postie is more likely to be scum. If scum it means maria is more likely to be town and dave is scum.

Don't forget that town!nancy's alignment confirmation overrides town!TD's Postie alignment-lean.

[Infinity 324]

I want to lynch TD because the flip gives us so much info. If town it means postie is more likely to be scum. If scum it means maria is more likely to be town and dave is scum.

Don't forget that town!nancy's alignment confirmation overrides town!TD's Postie alignment-lean.

Right yeah. That just makes me want to lynch TD more though.

[cassielle]

I'd rather lynch someone who will flip scum than someone who will give a lot of information, to be truthful. I was seeing nancy as option #1 -- push her wagon to lynchpoint. If it doesn't lynch, hit MariaR (who is my second highest scumread now).

I also am way sleep-deprived. I need to go to bed.

Don't worry about day length with the nancy wagon, but if that's a claim confirmation, let me wake up before you hammer whoever's next in line.

[cassielle]

Reason I'm saying this is I have townreads on Dave and TD. Anyway! Sleep.

[MariaR]

Reason I'm saying this is I have townreads on Dave and TD. Anyway! Sleep.

please kill this scum ty