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I would execute both GL and DW this game. Like for sure. At the very least, GL should not live until Endgame.
But see this is what I’m not understanding. Why would the Scum risk this by shooting Luke? If I’m Scum and I’m GuiltyLion, I would have been so hard against it. All anyone has to do is take a skim through the game and they’ll catch endless posts of you shading the slot aggressively, and then mysteriously shifting your attention onto another slot, with what is the most transparently bad explanation ever haha I mean I’m like convinced it’s a frame it’s so bad.- Andresvmb
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Drap, can you post your team again? I'm still a bit ill, so I had some difficulty finding it in your ISO. I think you're likely wrong on Dwlee but I relate to the energy you have and the gamestate so I'd like to vote somewhere we agree.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Your posts made me go back and ISO GL and Luke in the supporters thread because I feel like a lot of their direct interactions were there as well.In post 2676, Andresvmb wrote:1161 and 1193 are MORE bad. And then much later in the game, GL drops 2156 which is a total gem. Given the strength of the read expressed consistently when the choice of King was being made, I’m just flabbergasted that this comes out later in the same day. It’s totally unrealistic.
I wish I had asked Luke why he got cold feet about GL toward mid-to-end of day. He said it was despite not liking GL's posting about LLD. I had started asking some questions there but it fell off my priority list because it was getting stretched out as a discussion. Kicking myself now.
I mean, maybe you're right on GL looking bad with the Luke interactions, but for me it's almost like "does scum really go THIS hard against a townie D1 and then flip them N1?" That's some very bad scum play if so. That flip made it inevitable that GL faces some level of a serious wagon today.
One other issue that's sticking in the back of my mind is the council questions you raised. Obviously scum want to target town on council so they can try to get their team on there. Luke seems like a weird person to take out if I'm scum thinking about the seats I want. So what's the deal there? Was Luke a safe kill? Maybe. Are scum in a good position in some of the other higher priority seats? That's what I'm being paranoid about.
I don't personally think GL flips scum here and that dwlee would be a much better yeet. I'm starting to think we might have to compromise though because I'm not sure either wagon has enough votes to make it over. I think I'll spend some time at some point this weekend closely reading the GL-Luke interactions to see if it changes anything for me.YOUR AD HERE
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I explicitly plan to compare Drap's list to those who elected Shea king and pushed MariaR.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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That would be a good compromise as I feel Shea was picked because he was easier to manipulate due to a lack of self confidence.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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titus, i'm interested in what your stance on the game is right now. especially considering your characterization of gl/vp from earlier is like, very wrongI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Titus
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Thanks. My stance on the game is something I am developing now looking at the data plus what I know of personalities. Shea is not a hero type personality, yet he kingmakes an elimination from someone at L minus 1 despite claiming he's not good at town early.
This leaves two likely possibilities:
1) Shea and Dwlee are scum together and Shea uses his attitude to hide this fact. Unlikely but possible.
2) Shea is being pumped up to make hero shots. This benefits scum regardless of Dwlee's alignment. If Dwlee is town, they've saved a miselimination for later. If he's scum, they protect him. Shea would be targeted due to his low self confidence post in this scenario.
Now time to check votes.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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*two most likely possibilitiesShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Honestly, that’s where I’m getting stuck. I never would have executed Lukewarm if I’m GL and I’m Scum. But if you think Luke overall will become more influential over time, and they have good views, maybe you do it? It’s just an almost blatant frame job but I can’t say that I love GL’s takes either I mean haha there’s so much there to criticize. It’s not just the take on Luke. Though it did evolve. Look if the day had ended around post ~1,600, I would say kill GL with prejudice. But it didn’t, and GL did shift their read there. I remember reading the explanation once and thinking c’mon now. But I will have to keep reading.In post 2681, VP Baltar wrote:
Your posts made me go back and ISO GL and Luke in the supporters thread because I feel like a lot of their direct interactions were there as well.In post 2676, Andresvmb wrote:1161 and 1193 are MORE bad. And then much later in the game, GL drops 2156 which is a total gem. Given the strength of the read expressed consistently when the choice of King was being made, I’m just flabbergasted that this comes out later in the same day. It’s totally unrealistic.
I wish I had asked Luke why he got cold feet about GL toward mid-to-end of day. He said it was despite not liking GL's posting about LLD. I had started asking some questions there but it fell off my priority list because it was getting stretched out as a discussion. Kicking myself now.
I mean, maybe you're right on GL looking bad with the Luke interactions, but for me it's almost like "does scum really go THIS hard against a townie D1 and then flip them N1?" That's some very bad scum play if so. That flip made it inevitable that GL faces some level of a serious wagon today.
One other issue that's sticking in the back of my mind is the council questions you raised. Obviously scum want to target town on council so they can try to get their team on there. Luke seems like a weird person to take out if I'm scum thinking about the seats I want. So what's the deal there? Was Luke a safe kill? Maybe. Are scum in a good position in some of the other higher priority seats? That's what I'm being paranoid about.
I don't personally think GL flips scum here and that dwlee would be a much better yeet. I'm starting to think we might have to compromise though because I'm not sure either wagon has enough votes to make it over. I think I'll spend some time at some point this weekend closely reading the GL-Luke interactions to see if it changes anything for me.
I’ll switch back for now.
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GuiltyLion and VP being targeted for elimination when they were two other king choices is also telling which suggests scum don't want vocal voices to change directions.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Thestatusquo [7]: Bellaphant, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Junkochan, Unowen, VP Baltar, Andresvmb
These were the Shea voters. According to the VCs, only Unowen and VP were on MariaR. Given gamestate, my second choice is Unowen.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Out of Drap's list, I could vote Andres or unwnd. PP's trajectory (assuming he has it right) doesn't match with what I feel scum's motivation is. GL and VP are out. So yeah...Andres or unwnd.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Titus this I think is like the third consecutive game in a row where you’ve read me wrong, though in one you were Scum so you had reason to read me wrong. What is it that I’m doing that is constantly leading us here? Because if I’m not wrong, we’ve played together multiple times and each time, I was Town.In post 2690, Titus wrote:Out of Drap's list, I could vote Andres or unwnd. PP's trajectory (assuming he has it right) doesn't match with what I feel scum's motivation is. GL and VP are out. So yeah...Andres or unwnd.- Andresvmb
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If you consistently play in a manner that leads you to help scum, I'll SR you. I'm not perfect in that regard as it does lead to a bit of omgus or scumreading a townbeard. I'm not as invested yet (illness and holidays) so my individual reads aren't as strong.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 2672, Andresvmb wrote:A few other takes - Titus is Town. They had a lot of good early takes. My view was silly.
Firebringer should certainly be scrutinized for 1244, 1253 (which I wrote was entirely silly), 1255, 1363. Lukewarm flipping Town doesn’t just make GuiltyLion look bad.
Rhaenyra’s early collection of takes (see 969) I’m almost sure is way off, and makes me truly question my read of that slot. I didn’t find unwnd upon re-read to be Towny, so I’m almost sure the Council has been way infiltrated. I don’t know for certain, but I would be AMAZED if the Council was pure.
Bro I swear to god if you are wolf are just planning to steal my town reads and night kill me?In post 2673, Andresvmb wrote:Oh and furtiveglance is Town. Almost sure of that one.
I swear like if you also say Enchant is town that’s all my 3. (Furtive, Enchant and Titus.)
Don’t clear this if Dwlee is Town and GL is Wolf.In post 2677, Andresvmb wrote:VOTE: GuiltyLion
This can die.
Also, 1734 looks like classic distancing.
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In post 2688, Titus wrote:GuiltyLion and VP being targeted for elimination when they were two other king choices is also telling which suggests scum don't want vocal voices to change directions.In post 2690, Titus wrote:Out of Drap's list, I could vote Andres or unwnd. PP's trajectory (assuming he has it right) doesn't match with what I feel scum's motivation is. GL and VP are out. So yeah...Andres or unwnd.
Or wolves were gonna get king but we prevented it.In post 2688, Titus wrote:GuiltyLion and VP being targeted for elimination when they were two other king choices is also telling which suggests scum don't want vocal voices to change directions.
If you look at the Junko Slot the wagon ended fairly quickly which theoretically can point to them being more town compared to any of the other king wagons.
However, Junko Slot is town for varies of other reasons.
In post 2688, Titus wrote:GuiltyLion and VP being targeted for elimination when they were two other king choices is also telling which suggests scum don't want vocal voices to change directions.
See you seem to be on similar level to that of Datisi.In post 2690, Titus wrote:Out of Drap's list, I could vote Andres or unwnd. PP's trajectory (assuming he has it right) doesn't match with what I feel scum's motivation is. GL and VP are out. So yeah...Andres or unwnd.
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You as Scum in Datisi’s Café: viewtopic.php?p=13503594#p13503594
You as Scum in Flash Games (I was replaced for inactivity so maybe easy to hide behind): viewtopic.php?p=13371251#p13371251
You as Town in kTaNe: viewtopic.php?p=13311467#p13311467
You as Town in 2238: viewtopic.php?p=13023714#p13023714
I was Town in all those games. Like you have a permanent Scum Read of my slot. And it’s bizarre.- Andresvmb
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Okay I mean if this is going to be your argument, then I don’t know what to tell you. If you’re going to argue well Andrés you’re a bad player so I always SR you, then I’m not sure what it is you want me to say. I don’t agree that I’m a terrible player. And if you’re going to hide behind that, then I suggest that everyone just ignore your read because you SR me regardless of alignment and don’t seem to care to get me right.In post 2693, Titus wrote:If you consistently play in a manner that leads you to help scum, I'll SR you. I'm not perfect in that regard as it does lead to a bit of omgus or scumreading a townbeard. I'm not as invested yet (illness and holidays) so my individual reads aren't as strong.- Andresvmb
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