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Post #113 (isolation #0) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:24 pm
Postby -Grey- »
A
B
C
1
Town Bodyguard
Vanilla Townie
Mafia Goon
2
Mafia Roleblocker
Town Cop
Town Doctor
3
Town Jailkeeper
Mafia Goon
Town Tracker
I'm kinda keen on this one.
Bodyguard instead of bulletproof, and swap it with Jailkeeper to prevent a Follow the Tracker strat.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #121 (isolation #1) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:18 pm
Postby -Grey- »
In post 115, Ircher wrote:Bodyguard works well. But don't swap it and the jk.
That would just result in Follow the Tracker.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #123 (isolation #2) » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:02 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 122, Ircher wrote:Follow the Tracker isn't too bad and BG dies when it protects.
It would still result in an inevitable early tracker claim that could impact newbies the way BP claiming does now.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #125 (isolation #3) » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:07 am
Postby -Grey- »
In a newbie? Ohellno
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #127 (isolation #4) » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:07 pm
Postby -Grey- »
Bodyguard is an excellent PR for newbies, because it teaches the importance of nuance by denying scum's chosen kill.
The importance of a well played bodyguard becomes obvious if they die instead of a townie that is pushing the right players.
Either way, though. I'm not particularly married to the suggestion. I just think UB is a bad idea for newbies.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #143 (isolation #5) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:54 pm
Postby -Grey- »
A
B
C
1
Town Cop
Vanilla Townie
Mafia Roleblocker
2
Mafia 1x Strongman
Town Watcher
Town Bodyguard
3
Town Doctor
Mafia Encryptor
Town Tracker
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #145 (isolation #6) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:09 pm
Postby -Grey- »
In post 144, MarioManiac4 wrote:Town Jailkeeper and Town Cop is overpowered and Town needs something to counter it.
Grey's list isn't great because C and 1 are scumsided and watcher is a bad role that requires no scumhunting
1 might be a little, but no more than it already is.
C is fine.
Also, Watcher is offset by the strongman and encryptor, obviously.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
Sure they do, if you think outside the "per game" box you're living in.
Some games, encryptor will swing it for scum. (Ditto strongman)
Other games, watcher will swing it for town.
Depends on the players.
Each one of those roles are powerful for their faction. It comes down to who best utilizes what they have.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #149 (isolation #8) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:21 pm
Postby -Grey- »
In post 146, MarioManiac4 wrote:C really isn't fine. It's a scumsided variant of Tracker/Doctor/Goon, which is already under 50% for town.
It's just a weaker version of doctor/cop/roleblocker.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
And that role gets a guilty on scum, so it should be countered by scum.
It's not like scum gets the name of the cop. It's up to the cop to play the game right and minimize detection until he gets a result.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #152 (isolation #10) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:31 pm
Postby -Grey- »
Not worth the effort to argue.
I disagree (obvs).
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #154 (isolation #11) » Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:42 pm
Postby -Grey- »
Nobody can deny that this would be a fun little hand-grenade:
A
B
C
1
Town Doctor
Town Cop
Mafia Roleblocker
2
Town Tracker
Mafia Roleblocker
Town 1-Shot PGO
3
Mafia Roleblocker
Town Bodyguard
Town Neapolitan
Or,
A
B
C
1
Town Doctor
Town Cop
Mafia Roleblocker
2
Town Tracker
Mafia Roleblocker
Town Doctor
3
Mafia Roleblocker
Town Bodyguard
Town Neapolitan
I think Tracker is a pain in the ass role, personally.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 154, -Grey- wrote:Nobody can deny that this would be a fun little hand-grenade:
A
B
C
1
Town Doctor
Town Cop
Mafia Roleblocker
2
Town Tracker
Mafia Roleblocker
Town 1-Shot PGO
3
Mafia Roleblocker
Town Bodyguard
Town Neapolitan
Or,
A
B
C
1
Town Doctor
Town Cop
Mafia Roleblocker
2
Town Tracker
Mafia Roleblocker
Town Doctor
3
Mafia Roleblocker
Town Bodyguard
Town Neapolitan
I think Tracker is a pain in the ass role, personally.
I think the second one is close if you remove two of the mafia RBers.
Eh. I think just removing the center one would work if you're actually looking at two.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
Replacing it with a Mafia Doctor (to mess with Tracker results and muddle clears) would be better IMHO.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #183 (isolation #14) » Tue May 02, 2017 9:30 am
Postby -Grey- »
Goon Doctor Tracker would certainly not be balanced.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 158, RadiantCowbells wrote:It gets rid of the potential for a safe way to claim a protected tracker and therefore neuters the bulletproof claim strategy. It may still happen but since we're no longer dealing with single PR setups it no longer advantages town.
Actually, it kinda does, in that it allows a PR to claim, informs the other PR what build it is (cop will know there is no doctor, jk there's no investigative - and will likely jail bp until it dies!), and requires scum to waste at least one night (maybe more if there's a jk) giving up their kill if they want to kill the bp, otherwise that player is confirmed town without a cc.
BP is crap in newbie games without a strongman.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #186 (isolation #16) » Tue May 02, 2017 9:41 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 184, Alisae wrote:Grey newbies don't need that kind of moonlogicy stuff just to fuck with results.
Removing tracker results as clears is not moonlogic.
Thinking it is says more about your thought processes than mine.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
With no ability to be protected and simultaneously able to use their ability, the vanilla cop's results should be a little more useful, hence Neapolitan.
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“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 183, -Grey- wrote:Goon Doctor Tracker would certainly not be balanced.
A large sample of newbie game data suggests you're very wrong.
I suggest the newbie game data suggestion is wrong.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #191 (isolation #19) » Tue May 02, 2017 10:27 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 190, Alisae wrote:The newbie experience would be better with Encryptor/Tracker/Doc.
Uh. No.
Adding day talk is not an alternative to muddling tracker results.
That's like firing off a nuclear warhead because you don't think C4 will bring the building down.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #195 (isolation #21) » Tue May 02, 2017 10:44 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 194, Alisae wrote:That's essentially what you're doing because scum doc doesn't really have a place in Nea/1-shot BP/scum!Doc
Like, if you just want to fuck with tracker results you might as well give scum a follower or a visitor?
Scum Motion Detector!
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #199 (isolation #22) » Tue May 02, 2017 2:47 pm
Postby -Grey- »
In post 198, Toomai wrote:We don't have any real reason to suddenly blow everything up and add all these new roles. Just keep it simple.
When newbie games were first implemented, there was what... a couple dozen roles? If that?
Now, there are hundreds.
What's wrong with a little more flavor being added to newbie games to reflect the growth of the game?
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #201 (isolation #23) » Tue May 02, 2017 3:03 pm
Postby -Grey- »
Yeah, don't change anything except for adding direct moderator influence.
Brilliant.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #203 (isolation #24) » Tue May 02, 2017 3:10 pm
Postby -Grey- »
Moderator dictating behavior via outlawing strategy, and you don't see the problem?
They'll wonder what other strategies are "forbidden" outside of the newbie queue.
Crippling the deductive process is not an answer to a structural weakness.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #211 (isolation #25) » Wed May 03, 2017 12:50 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 210, rb wrote:LUV's point makes a lot of sense from a certain point of view actually. Hadn't considered it as a fix really, but if they disallow trust tells or text of truth or whatever it's really the same thing.
I guess the only thing is if you care about the win-rates being closer to 50% and want to change it for that reason.
It's not even close to the same thing.
A trust tell isn't "game strategy". Text of Truth isn't "mechanics breaking".
Aside from that shit, there is no legitimate way to enforce it. How can you forbid the BP from claiming d1? You just can't. What do they say if they get wagoned? "Sorry, can't claim because people got fucking brilliant in a mafia discussion thread and talked out of their ass"?
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“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
Do we avoid reasonable and practical fixes to things on the basis of, "but this act does not fit *arbitrary category*!" or do we just go with reasonable and practical fixes that don't interrupt the smoothness of games?
Nobody here is criticizing neither reasonable nor practical suggestions.
Just the bullshit that's being spewed about censoring optimal strategy instead of fixing the actual problem.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #215 (isolation #27) » Wed May 03, 2017 12:59 am
Postby -Grey- »
The whole point of power roles is to game the mechanics to improve your odds of winning, so it's fucking stupid to give power roles and then dictate what can and can't be done with them.
If you don't want them used a certain way, either cripple the role or don't fucking use them.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #219 (isolation #28) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:04 am
Postby -Grey- »
Right, because newbies have zero interest in actual winning right LUV?
Getting slaughtered straight from the get go doesn't destroy their morale at all. And God forbid they actually try to win because some fucking dictator won't let them use what's available.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #220 (isolation #29) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:06 am
Postby -Grey- »
Cut this wood.
Here's a power saw.
Oh, but you can't plug it in.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
Do we avoid reasonable and practical fixes to things on the basis of, "but this act does not fit *arbitrary category*!" or do we just go with reasonable and practical fixes that don't interrupt the smoothness of games?
Nobody here is criticizing neither reasonable nor practical suggestions.
Just the bullshit that's being spewed about censoring optimal strategy instead of fixing the actual problem.
It hasn't been confirmed optimal though. If it was, town would be winning a lot more.
Then there's no excuse for banning it since it's no threat.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #225 (isolation #31) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:09 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 215, -Grey- wrote:The whole point of power roles is to game the mechanics to improve your odds of winning, so it's fucking stupid to give power roles and then dictate what can and can't be done with them.
If you don't want them used a certain way, either cripple the role or don't fucking use them.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
Do we avoid reasonable and practical fixes to things on the basis of, "but this act does not fit *arbitrary category*!" or do we just go with reasonable and practical fixes that don't interrupt the smoothness of games?
Nobody here is criticizing neither reasonable nor practical suggestions.
Just the bullshit that's being spewed about censoring optimal strategy instead of fixing the actual problem.
It hasn't been confirmed optimal though. If it was, town would be winning a lot more.
Then there's no excuse for banning it since it's no threat.
The thing being prevented is the broken and gimmicky experience that these games provide. LUV's way of correcting this addresses the problem and while it isn't logically or systematically perfect, it's a steaming pile of bullshit that I'm ashamed to be supporting.
FTFY
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #236 (isolation #35) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:19 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 233, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm just arguing that this strategy is the last thing that needs to be addressed in regards to Newbies.
Them feel free to exit, stage left.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #238 (isolation #36) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:22 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 234, rb wrote:No, LUV is just a lateral thinker and people don't like lateral thinkers because to accept their ideas you must forgo old and time-honoured perspectives in favour of new ones.
That's a load of horseshit.
I don't approve of telling people what strategies they can or cannot use. It has nothing to do with whatever buzzwords you want to use.
There's no fucking point in having players at all if moderators are going to dictate how roles MUST be played.
Fuck players. Just make the moderators play it out since they're dictating strategy anyway!
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 233, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm just arguing that this strategy is the last thing that needs to be addressed in regards to Newbies.
Them feel free to exit, stage left.
Ah yes very good. If someone has a problem with a system that doesn't operate effectively, we should remove them rather than think about ways to make a system more effective.
Learn to read.
LUV had no problem with it at all.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #241 (isolation #38) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:26 am
Postby -Grey- »
Woman: My left turn signal is broken
LUV: Don't turn left.
rb: LUV is such a lateral thinker.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #245 (isolation #39) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:29 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 244, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Okay, let's make a deal Grey. From here on out, everyone when they roll a PR, claims it in their first post. If you complain that's not how x role should be played, take a perma ban.
If they choose to do so, THAT'S THEIR FUCKING RIGHT.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #246 (isolation #40) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:30 am
Postby -Grey- »
Kinda... My... Whole... Point.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 244, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Okay, let's make a deal Grey. From here on out, everyone when they roll a PR, claims it in their first post. If you complain that's not how x role should be played, take a perma ban.
If they choose to do so, THAT'S THEIR FUCKING RIGHT.
Yeah, yeah. We'll see if you still hold this same belief when you're losing everytime you roll town because of it.
What you like to ignore is the concept of free choice.
Because the ability to make choices is inconvenient for you, you want to usurp that from the players
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
---
"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #251 (isolation #42) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:35 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 249, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm thinking of the greater good. It's not just inconvenient for me, quite a lot of people have expressed dislike for the strategy.
And unlike your tyrant approach, OTHER people took the responsible route of fixing the problem instead of expecting everybody to stick their head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.
Even if your fairy tale horse shit was used, it isn't an actual solution. People would forget this garbage after a month or two and be right the fuck back here. So it's not even worth entertaining as a notion.
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“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
The whizz bang of your shiny turd of a suggestion will wear off, and people will forget.
Then one day, someone will bring it back up again, and we'll be RIGHT THE FUCK BACK HERE AGAIN.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 249, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm thinking of the greater good. It's not just inconvenient for me, quite a lot of people have expressed dislike for the strategy.
And unlike your tyrant approach.
ARE WE GONNA SEE GODWIN'S LAW IN ACTION
You seem to think there was only one tyrant in history.
For calling me sad, you're quite the hypocrite.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #260 (isolation #45) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:42 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 257, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:No, if it's properly enforced it won't. Bans can be handed out instead of force replacements.
I'm just going to call you Mao.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #261 (isolation #46) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:44 am
Postby -Grey- »
Banning players for using their roles to win a game.
Fucking wow.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 257, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:No, if it's properly enforced it won't. Bans can be handed out instead of force replacements.
I'm just going to call you Mao.
AND HE DEFEATS GODWIN'S LAW ON A TECHNICALITY.
Like it?
I pulled that especially for you.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
You're basically saying this teaches optimal play (which has yet to be really proven) but at what cost? We are arguing it takes away from what mafia is suppose to be about.
The problem isn't strategic.
The problem is mechanical.
You're trying to address a mechanical problem by crippling strategy.
It's fucking stupid to the limits of infinity.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
Me: So x is bulletproof. How do we buddy and pocket him?
Partner: Well he likes when someone does so and so and says these kind of buzzwords and phrases.
Me: Cool. So we just never night kill him then.
Not always a viable counter.
If he starts scumreading you and your partner, you're fucked.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #274 (isolation #50) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:52 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 273, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It's fairly easy at least in my experience for scum to play around 1 confirmed town. Once newbies realize this, then what happens to your strategy?
The strategy doesn't even center on the BP. BP claim is only the first step.
The fact you don't know that disqualifies you from commenting on it.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 273, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It's fairly easy at least in my experience for scum to play around 1 confirmed town. Once newbies realize this, then what happens to your strategy?
The strategy doesn't even center on the BP. BP claim is only the first step.
The fact you don't know that disqualifies you from commenting on it.
Oh I know, I just don't care.
How many times have you caught scum with this strategy?
Why do you care, if it's, as you say, not an issue?
Why throw out horseshit suggestions about something you don't even care about?
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #279 (isolation #52) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:56 am
Postby -Grey- »
In post 233, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm just arguing that this strategy is the last thing that needs to be addressed in regards to Newbies.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #281 (isolation #53) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:57 am
Postby -Grey- »
Not worth chasing red herrings when you say that.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 233, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm just arguing that this strategy is the last thing that needs to be addressed in regards to Newbies.
IF IT'S THE LAST THING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, SHUT THE FUCK UP.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 233, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm just arguing that this strategy is the last thing that needs to be addressed in regards to Newbies.
IF IT'S THE LAST THING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, SHUT THE FUCK UP.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 233, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm just arguing that this strategy is the last thing that needs to be addressed in regards to Newbies.
IF IT'S THE LAST THING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, SHUT THE FUCK UP.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
In post 233, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm just arguing that this strategy is the last thing that needs to be addressed in regards to Newbies.
IF IT'S THE LAST THING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, SHUT THE FUCK UP.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #293 (isolation #58) » Wed May 03, 2017 2:13 am
Postby -Grey- »
@rb: refer to 233 for his response.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch
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Post #295 (isolation #59) » Wed May 03, 2017 2:16 am
Postby -Grey- »
Thanks. Glad to have your permission.
“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
"You type like a Bond villain." - DogWatch