Matrix6 BP fix

[Titus]

	A	B	C
1	Town Jailkeeper	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
2	Mafia Roleblocker	Town Cop	Town Doctor
3	Town Macho Universal Backup	Mafia Goon	Town Tracker

Thoughts?

[mastina]

Banning players for trying to play to their win conditions is beyond unacceptable

^

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's okay but it doesn't fix a lot of the bad aspects of Matrix6 and I still don't like the universal backup idea. I don't think it's good to have both PRs guaranteed to end up doing nothing if both are outed D1.

[Titus]

I mean it's okay but it doesn't fix a lot of the bad aspects of Matrix6 and I still don't like the universal backup idea. I don't think it's good to have both PRs guaranteed to end up doing nothing if both are outed D1.

That's what should happen. Town should be punished for bad play.

This is a newbie queue. Too many mods lately are trying to force town wins because town do dumb things. A setup should not be auto loss if town do dumb things, but it shouldn't protect town from being dumb either and say it's ok to make dumb errors.

[Alisae]

wait mods can force town wins when modding a newbie?

[Titus]

wait mods can force town wins when modding a newbie?

No. My point was about site meta as a whole.

[mhsmith0]

I think Titus means that mods are overpowering towns and "forcing" town wins through sheer weight of town power compared to numbers and scum power. Admittedly I could be wrong tho.

[Titus]

I think Titus means that mods are overpowering towns and "forcing" town wins through sheer weight of town power compared to numbers and scum power. Admittedly I could be wrong tho.

Yes

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's okay but it doesn't fix a lot of the bad aspects of Matrix6 and I still don't like the universal backup idea. I don't think it's good to have both PRs guaranteed to end up doing nothing if both are outed D1.

That's what should happen. Town should be punished for bad play.

This is a newbie queue. Too many mods lately are trying to force town wins because town do dumb things. A setup should not be auto loss if town do dumb things, but it shouldn't protect town from being dumb either and say it's ok to make dumb errors.

I don't think that we should do anything besides try to get the winrate as close to 50% as possible. Running setups that will end in 40% winrates is not pleasant for 7/9 of people most games.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think Titus means that mods are overpowering towns and "forcing" town wins through sheer weight of town power compared to numbers and scum power. Admittedly I could be wrong tho.

Yes

I would love to see examples because in general most of the games that I see are scumsided: then again my eye is for 50/50 balance and since you seem to prefer games that aren't 50/50 balanced I am probably part of the problem in your eyes.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd rather see slightly townsided that slightly scumsided

[Titus]

I mean it's okay but it doesn't fix a lot of the bad aspects of Matrix6 and I still don't like the universal backup idea. I don't think it's good to have both PRs guaranteed to end up doing nothing if both are outed D1.

That's what should happen. Town should be punished for bad play.

This is a newbie queue. Too many mods lately are trying to force town wins because town do dumb things. A setup should not be auto loss if town do dumb things, but it shouldn't protect town from being dumb either and say it's ok to make dumb errors.

I don't think that we should do anything besides try to get the winrate as close to 50% as possible. Running setups that will end in 40% winrates is not pleasant for 7/9 of people most games.

Right.

@RC, AT no point should the number of unlynchable slots in mass claim outnumber the scumteam.

[RadiantCowbells]

If not doing that will lead to 40% winrates then I am fine with having more unlynchable slots than scum members.

[RadiantCowbells]

Besides- cop/anything in newbies can already be a guaranteed town win on day 3 and no one objects.

[Titus]

Besides- cop/anything in newbies can already be a guaranteed town win on day 3 and no one objects.

Right, but that's by good play. That's why no one objects.

Good play = rewarded. Bad play = punished.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't see how having a 50% winrate punishes good play or rewards bad play. Town shouldn't be expected to constantly lynch scum.

[Ircher]

I don't see how having a 50% winrate punishes good play or rewards bad play. Town shouldn't be expected to constantly lynch scum.

[-Grey-]

nancy has a rule in her first game not to shit post but there is no outrage over it, why?

TIL LUV doesn't know the difference between posts that advance the game and posts that don't.

[rb]

I mean it's okay but it doesn't fix a lot of the bad aspects of Matrix6 and I still don't like the universal backup idea. I don't think it's good to have both PRs guaranteed to end up doing nothing if both are outed D1.

That's what should happen. Town should be punished for bad play.

This is a newbie queue. Too many mods lately are trying to force town wins because town do dumb things. A setup should not be auto loss if town do dumb things, but it shouldn't protect town from being dumb either and say it's ok to make dumb errors.

I don't think that we should do anything besides try to get the winrate as close to 50% as possible. Running setups that will end in 40% winrates is not pleasant for 7/9 of people most games.

You're assuming the only thing fun about mafia is winning

[rb]

nancy has a rule in her first game not to shit post but there is no outrage over it, why?

I'll address this when the game ends.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

nancy has a rule in her first game not to shit post but there is no outrage over it, why?

TIL LUV doesn't know the difference between posts that advance the game and posts that don't.

You keep sucking me back in

RC argued it's not a moderator's place to tell a player how to play a game. If that's the case, why are things like shit posting which catches more scum than if should, be allowed to be banned as a strategy, but not this one? Why is a setup like Restrictive Mafia allowed? You can't pick and choose what is considered strategy and what isn't. What you can do however is determine which strategies are overall harmful for the player base and get rid of them.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Before anyone gives me shit, I understand a player is allowed their own specific set of rules.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's okay but it doesn't fix a lot of the bad aspects of Matrix6 and I still don't like the universal backup idea. I don't think it's good to have both PRs guaranteed to end up doing nothing if both are outed D1.

That's what should happen. Town should be punished for bad play.

This is a newbie queue. Too many mods lately are trying to force town wins because town do dumb things. A setup should not be auto loss if town do dumb things, but it shouldn't protect town from being dumb either and say it's ok to make dumb errors.

I don't think that we should do anything besides try to get the winrate as close to 50% as possible. Running setups that will end in 40% winrates is not pleasant for 7/9 of people most games.

You're assuming the only thing fun about mafia is winning

Playing games as town where the deck is heavily stacked against you is not my idea of fun.

[Alisae]

LUV's Utopia Philosophy.

In all seriousness LUV, imagine two little kids. Kid A is playing a video game and knows all about it. Kid B knows nothing of the video game. Kid B asks Kid A if they can play the video game. Kid A says sure, but as Kid B knows nothing of the video game, Kid A feels the need to "correct" how Kid B is playing the game because "they aren't playing the game right." And thus Kid B gets annoyed and frustrated.

My point is, people don't like being told how they are supposed to play the game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV's Utopia Philosophy.

In all seriousness LUV, imagine two little kids. Kid A is playing a video game and knows all about it. Kid B knows nothing of the video game. Kid B asks Kid A if they can play the video game. Kid A says sure, but as Kid B knows nothing of the video game, Kid A feels the need to "correct" how Kid B is playing the game because "they aren't playing the game right." And thus Kid B gets annoyed and frustrated.

My point is, people don't like being told how they are supposed to play the game.

People don't like to be told to do a lot of things. The people who actually go out and do something about that are the Steve Jobs of the world.