Newbie 1917 - Game Over

[GuiltyLion]

Im sorry but this makes you look dense, if you arent willing to read the game why are you queuing?

CsBlastoise, you understood exactly what I was saying (and thanks for the reply, that is helping clear some things up for me). What do you think of this comment from Thespio here?

lets just not lynch someone because of some newbie posts,

again, no one was saying to lynch.

Im more curious why you are so offensive with nothing to go on.

I'm not "offensive", I'm asking questions and applying pressure to help me sort people.

Why dont you think early posts arent NAI?

every post is potentially AI. town are always town and scum are always scum, this doesn't change whether it's an early post or a late game post. NAI posts are posts that truly could come from either alignment. AI posts are posts that you think are more likely to come from one or the other. I haven't commented at all on posts I've thought were NAI (Muh's opening, Saint's opening). I am calling out the things that I think would help me and others interpret the game and alignments involved.

why do you think im miss repping? why are you replying saying im not answering questions when I am?

already answered both of these. you still are not answering why you chose to say TTTT and I were "freaking out"

I think you might be the best place to put pressure.

I'd be quite surprised if anyone agreed with you.

[Thespio]

Im sorry but this makes you look dense, if you arent willing to read the game why are you queuing?

CsBlastoise, you understood exactly what I was saying (and thanks for the reply, that is helping clear some things up for me). What do you think of this comment from Thespio here?

lets just not lynch someone because of some newbie posts,

again, no one was saying to lynch.

Im more curious why you are so offensive with nothing to go on.

I'm not "offensive", I'm asking questions and applying pressure to help me sort people.

Why dont you think early posts arent NAI?

every post is potentially AI. town are always town and scum are always scum, this doesn't change whether it's an early post or a late game post. NAI posts are posts that truly could come from either alignment. AI posts are posts that you think are more likely to come from one or the other. I haven't commented at all on posts I've thought were NAI (Muh's opening, Saint's opening). I am calling out the things that I think would help me and others interpret the game and alignments involved.

why do you think im miss repping? why are you replying saying im not answering questions when I am?

already answered both of these. you still are not answering why you chose to say TTTT and I were "freaking out"

I think you might be the best place to put pressure.

I'd be quite surprised if anyone agreed with you.

You both got on a newbies case because they posted newbie posts, and people do agree with me, Thats fine but TTTT is saying they are scum, I dont know what games you play but scum die, and right now they are at L-2.

Your post is just WIFOM, all over, vomited. You are digging into things with no impact, example, I conciser your actions freaking out. You say they arent, so what? who does this implicate? I say you are acting dense, you dont think you are, cool, who does this impact? scum thrive on misdirection and chaos and thats all you have been adding to this game from your FIRST post.

[GuiltyLion]

I honestly don't know what you're even saying at this point. I don't think continuing to engage with you down this line will be productive, you don't seem to be willing or able to engage with what I've said in good faith. I will leave it to other players to decide whether they think these posts:

VOTE: chennisden

9 feels over-explainy

no worries, there's not really a "standard" and people will have different opinions on how to interpret things. if you're town don't sweat it, I'll likely come around on you if you stay engaged. early game you kinda just have to start with small things and see where it leads, to me voting you for a non-random reason is incrementally better than voting a slot randomly

but also if you are scum then I have already caught you and you should feel an immense amount of pressure

constitute "freaking out"
or
introducing "misdirection"/"chaos"

[GuiltyLion]

or a call to lynch. because that's simply not there, at all.

[TTTT]

But yes, now I'm realizing that I should ask @TTTT, just what is it in Chen's minimal content that you find scummy?

I hate doing this bc now it's gonna look like I'm super-efforting for this lynch
but you asked nicely...

Spoiler:

VOTE: Screamingnoodle Gonna put the pressure on someone who's confirmed while I'm waiting for the inactives.

EbWoP: confirmed their role PM.

1 post is not enough to scumread anyone. Best to let the game develop in RVS for now I guess

no worries, there's not really a "standard" and people will have different opinions on how to interpret things. if you're town don't sweat it, I'll likely come around on you if you stay engaged. early game you kinda just have to start with small things and see where it leads, to me voting you for a non-random reason is

incrementally better than voting a slot randomly

You're right. May change vote to Muh due to "voting for salt" (better than voting a random slot)

this looks like newbscum overly concerned with how others perceive him
9 is over-explained
we know chennis read the "Introduction and Tips" post with the RVS info (based on 15)
yet he still goes out of his way to make his RVS vote look un-scummy
10 is unnecessary (again looks like he's concerned with how he's viewed)
15 the "I guess" is noncommitall and the whole post is a missed opportunity to engage with his accuser (GL)
16 here he kinda engages with GL but in an appeasing way that is non-committal and approval seeking

[TTTT]

@Muh - when you get back in here let's talk about Thespio

[CsBlastoise]

Im sorry but this makes you look dense, if you arent willing to read the game why are you queuing?

CsBlastoise, you understood exactly what I was saying (and thanks for the reply, that is helping clear some things up for me). What do you think of this comment from Thespio here?

Are you asking me about the quote

before

this question or the quote

after

this question? If you're asking about the comment before, I don't know what to say — I mean, it's all about what Thespio thinks. If it's about the comment after, see what I wrote under it.

lets just not lynch someone because of some newbie posts,

again, no one was saying to lynch.

Thespio wasn't saying anyone was saying to lynch either; his comment stems from the fact that Chen is at L-2.

Im more curious why you are so offensive with nothing to go on.

I'm not "offensive", I'm asking questions and applying pressure to help me sort people.

It does look kind of aggressive, but hey, it's keeping the game moving. I'm not complaining too much.

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why do you think im miss repping? why are you replying saying im not answering questions when I am?

already answered both of these. you still are not answering why you chose to say TTTT and I were "freaking out"

Okay, this is the kind of behavior I remember seeing in Newbie 1827 (see my signature for more info), and it can get real ugly real fast. I propose that when one says that another is not answering questions, the latter should patiently restate his/her answers

before

demanding answers in return.

I think you might be the best place to put pressure.

I'd be quite surprised if anyone agreed with you.

I feel like the best responds to this would be a thinking emoji, but we don't seem to have one built into this forum.

Next post: an answer to TTTT. Stay tuned.

[GuiltyLion]

the latter should patiently restate his/her answers before demanding answers in return.

I appreciate the efforts to play moderator but I have reasons for answering the way I did. My answers to his questions are beyond clear in my ISO and I believe he is using the "you haven't answered my questions!" as further deflection/distraction from the fact that he dodged the original "why did you say freaking out" question.

[GuiltyLion]

actually, my apologies, went back and reread that and he didn't say "you haven't answered my questions", I somehow invented that in my head. Rather, he is asking me the same questions over again while dodging the primary one I asked.

[CsBlastoise]

But yes, now I'm realizing that I should ask @TTTT, just what is it in Chen's minimal content that you find scummy?

I hate doing this bc now it's gonna look like I'm super-efforting for this lynch
but you asked nicely...

Spoiler:

VOTE: Screamingnoodle Gonna put the pressure on someone who's confirmed while I'm waiting for the inactives.

EbWoP: confirmed their role PM.

1 post is not enough to scumread anyone. Best to let the game develop in RVS for now I guess

no worries, there's not really a "standard" and people will have different opinions on how to interpret things. if you're town don't sweat it, I'll likely come around on you if you stay engaged. early game you kinda just have to start with small things and see where it leads, to me voting you for a non-random reason is

incrementally better than voting a slot randomly

You're right. May change vote to Muh due to "voting for salt" (better than voting a random slot)

this looks like newbscum overly concerned with how others perceive him
9 is over-explained
we know chennis read the "Introduction and Tips" post with the RVS info (based on 15)
yet he still goes out of his way to make his RVS vote look un-scummy
10 is unnecessary (again looks like he's concerned with how he's viewed)
15 the "I guess" is noncommitall and the whole post is a missed opportunity to engage with his accuser (GL)
16 here he kinda engages with GL but in an appeasing way that is non-committal and approval seeking

Okay, I see where you're coming from. However, I still feel like it's plausible enough for his behavior to come simply from the fact that he's new.

Honestly, I don't want to make a huge deal out of this, especially before chen has a chance to weigh in. I'll make it clear now that my read on chennisden is pretty much Null for the time being: I feel like what he has said so far is not necessarily scummy, but he has not yet said anything to make him seem like a townie, either. (Notice I never did claim to townread him.) He just sounds like a newbie to me, that's all.

@Chen, could you weigh in so that we can have a better idea of where to go with this (or whether we should just drop it)?

PEdit: Ninja'd

[TTTT]

@CsBlastoise
I know it's early
but if you had to pick one scum right now
who it be?

Too soon to say.

c'mon
gun to your head who is scum?

[CsBlastoise]

@CsBlastoise
I know it's early
but if you had to pick one scum right now
who it be?

Too soon to say.

c'mon
gun to your head who is scum?

[Very fearfully]

Aaah! I'm telling you I have no clue! Now get that gun away from me, please!

Seriously, though, I'm on the new side. I'm not that great at reading people. (Not to mention that I was too quick to hammer a Vanilla Townie in Newbie 1827… and I was town.)

(I seriously need to stop citing Newbie 1827.)

[CsBlastoise]

Seriously, though, I'm on the new side. I'm not that great at reading people.

I know it probably looks scummy, but it's true. I'm kind of reading everyone as more null than anything else.

[Thespio]

@CsBlastoise
I know it's early
but if you had to pick one scum right now
who it be?

Too soon to say.

c'mon
gun to your head who is scum?

Right now, reguardless of our disagreement on NAI early newbie posts, here is my list Town>Scum

CS>TTTT>GuiltyLion

but i cant add anyone else because no one else is posting.

[CsBlastoise]

By the way,

[Got ninja'd by a relevant post; added the first sentence accordingly.] Yeah, the four of us are kind of dominating this game.
Specifically, we seriously need some more input from SaintAngelDFE and muh316; each of them has only posted once, and they were both more than 12 hours ago. Screamingnoodle also has only two posts, but at least his most recent one was two hours ago.

Granted, I was once in a situation where I tried to play a forum mafia game while my access to MafiaScum was limited, so if that's the case with Saint and muh, I can understand. On the other hand, such a situation is extremely undesirable: there's so much catchup to do and it's so hard to post that it's not worth it, and I should have asked to be replaced long before I was force-replaced for inactivity.

[Screamingnoodle]

I'm a her. I've just been mainly reading what everyone has been saying. Mainly because I am not used to the mechanics that you all have been discussing.

[chennisden]

Hi, my school blocks Mafia and I had to sleep, so I wasn't on for a while.

I will read through and give thoughts.

[Screamingnoodle]

Not really sure what else to say to be honest...
Naturally, anyone posting in the spotlight become some kind of target or cast of suspicion. So early on, not sure where to throw my vote truly in as the first lynch usually is a townie in my expirience. I don't have a clear grasp at who I think is scum at this point...

[Screamingnoodle]

Though, I wont be changing my vote unless I have a reason to believe the person is not for team town.

[CsBlastoise]

I'm a her.

Oops, sorry! I should have made sure to go back and check people's pronouns.

I've just been mainly reading what everyone has been saying. Mainly because I am not used to the mechanics that you all have been discussing.

Yeah, it can be kind of overwhelming. Maybe taking a look at the MafiaScum wiki will help.

Hi, my school blocks Mafia and I had to sleep, so I wasn't on for a while.

I will read through and give thoughts.

Lol, so relatable.

[chennisden]

@screaming wait did you just OMGUS me

thoughts: TTTT is probably town tunneling too hard at the beginning. See Newbie 1912 where Enter pushed Loopdan for a D1 lynch. Somewhere between Null & Town Lean

CsBlastoise is Town Lean for trying not to push town too hard at the beginning.

@Thespio what makes you think people are trying to lynch me? Two of the three on my wagon are applying pressure and the other is OMGUSing(?)

@Screaming an OMGUS is usually indicative of scum, though I won't scumread you off of that.

[CsBlastoise]

Oh, here's something that would be nice to know: What time zones are people in?

I'm in the US eastern time zone, GMT -5 (daylight saving starts March 10)

PEdit: Ninja'd

[Micc]

SaintAngelDFE has requested replacement.

[chennisden]

Muh and saint are lurking. Their wagons are empty right now (if I'm wrong, the wagons have at most 1 vote). For scum that doesn't want to be killed, this seems to be optimal D1. And for people who think I'm scum: Consider I've helped advanced the gamestate (albeit mostly indirectly). Scum would lurk like Muh and Saint are. They are in no danger of a D1 lynch. It may be early to say this, but Saint is my first scumread

[CsBlastoise]

@screaming wait did you just OMGUS me

thoughts: TTTT is probably town tunneling too hard at the beginning. See Newbie 1912 where Enter pushed Loopdan for a D1 lynch. Somewhere between Null & Town Lean

CsBlastoise is Town Lean for trying not to push town too hard at the beginning.

@Thespio what makes you think people are trying to lynch me? Two of the three on my wagon are applying pressure and the other is OMGUSing(?)

@Screaming an OMGUS is usually indicative of scum, though I won't scumread you off of that.

Oh, okay, looks like you must have some experience playing some sort of mafia online, based on the fact that you know what an OMGUS is. (Similarly, I played a good amount of chatroom mafia before playing on MafiaScum).

What are your thoughts on GuiltyLion? You've covered everyone else who has posted more than the mod so far, so…

PEdit: Ninja'd by the mod.
PE2: Ninja'd again. @chen Saint asked for replacement, so the apparent lurking might not be his fault.