Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

T3 · Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:42 am

I rolled town

T3 · Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:44 am

Oh this setup seems cool actually

T3 · Post Post #11 (isolation #2) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:47 am

Might as well do RVS, although I don't really want to

VOTE: Prism

T3 · Post Post #47 (isolation #3) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:54 pm

VOTE: ydrasse

T3 · Post Post #49 (isolation #4) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 12:55 pm

T3 · Post Post #60 (isolation #5) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:02 pm

In post 34, Ydrasse wrote: shirou contamination cube

Is that a new SCP

T3 · Post Post #64 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:05 pm

In post 62, camelCasedSnivy wrote: holy shit T3 is now a pirate

Yeah I stopped being a Knight of Cydonia

T3 · Post Post #66 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:08 pm

If anyone in this thread can explain how to identify nonsingular invertible matrices for my test tomorrow then I'll keep posting

If not then I'll ask some guy from Uttar Pradesh on YouTube

T3 · Post Post #71 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:16 pm

In post 68, Firebringer wrote:
In post 66, T3 wrote: If anyone in this thread can explain how to identify nonsingular invertible matrices for my test tomorrow then I'll keep posting

If not then I'll ask some guy from Uttar Pradesh on YouTube
doing homework is sus

it is

T3 · Post Post #75 (isolation #9) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:18 pm

VOTE: Camel

T3 · Post Post #83 (isolation #10) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:46 pm

In post 77, Shirou wrote:
In post 47, T3 wrote: VOTE: ydrasse
why did you change your vote from Prism to ydra here?

and do you buy Prism's reasoning about camel behavior being potentially suspicious?

I changed my votes because I wanted people to ask me about them so we could start discussion

T3 · Post Post #84 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:48 pm

Shirou is probably a little +town for this but I have not played with him before

T3 · Post Post #89 (isolation #12) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:57 pm

In post 87, Shirou wrote:
In post 83, T3 wrote:
In post 77, Shirou wrote:
In post 47, T3 wrote: VOTE: ydrasse
why did you change your vote from Prism to ydra here?

and do you buy Prism's reasoning about camel behavior being potentially suspicious?
I changed my votes because I wanted people to ask me about them so we could start discussion
Why must you scumpost after I was starting to think you were townposting?

Why do this to me? Do you think the user Shirou deserves to suffer by not having a single easy read in early game?

is that your philosophical position towards anime posters? Did an anime poster ever hurt you in the past?

Why is that a scum post

T3 · Post Post #93 (isolation #13) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:04 pm

In post 90, Shirou wrote:
In post 89, T3 wrote:
Why is that a scum post
It feels kinda LAMIST, I guess.

I don't think you're scum for it, I just wished to see you replying me with something "townier" so that I could lock my read on you for a few pages

Yeah, it is slightly LAMIST. I suppose it would be truly LAMIST if I made a huge show of saying that I was fishing for reactions, but even in the least charitable interpretation I can think of it’ll only be enough for someone to lean scum me.

T3 · Post Post #99 (isolation #14) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:15 pm

In post 95, Shirou wrote: on another note I think we should vote Prism

that sounds fun and gun to my head he feels kinda scummy with the long-winded explanations + apparently skimming my posts and repeating a question within only a few posts in the game

I think it may be just a play-style thing but oh well, wagons are cool

VOTE: Prism

I have historically read Prism's tone completely incorrectly on multiple occasions and honestly the fact that I get bad vibes from her makes me want to townread her slightly more

T3 · Post Post #102 (isolation #15) » Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:32 pm

In post 101, The Stage wrote: VOTE: jjh

Wrong account lmao

T3 · Post Post #122 (isolation #16) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 4:48 am

VOTE: jjh

His read of me is a bad nothingburger, if you can even call it a read

T3 · Post Post #123 (isolation #17) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:13 am

In post 111, imaginality wrote:
In post 89, T3 wrote:
Why is that a scum post
VOTE: T3

Why is that a scum post

T3 · Post Post #128 (isolation #18) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:30 am

In post 124, jjh927 wrote:
In post 122, T3 wrote: VOTE: jjh

His read of me is a bad nothingburger, if you can even call it a read
Why is that a bad nothingburger

It felt like you were trying to say stuff about me without explicitly townreading me.

T3 · Post Post #130 (isolation #19) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:33 am

Isn't 77% the rand

In post 129, jjh927 wrote:76% town

T3 · Post Post #149 (isolation #20) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 6:48 am

Xegarus wrote:

I think he siteflaked

T3 · Post Post #165 (isolation #21) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:38 am

In post 152, imaginality wrote:
In post 123, T3 wrote:
In post 111, imaginality wrote:
In post 89, T3 wrote:
Why is that a scum post
VOTE: T3
Why is that a scum post
Hah, touché.

It's the challenging without denying aspect of it.

Seems like scum!you knows it's a scum post but you're surprised someone accurately read it as such. Compared with town!you knowing it's not a scum post and curious why someone would think it is.

Sort of. I'm town and I knew that my post could be interpreted as slightly scummy (although I as a player think it's slightly +town on balance). I had a pretty good idea of why someone might think it's a scum post, but I wanted to hear it in his own words first.

T3 · Post Post #167 (isolation #22) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:39 am

In post 153, camelCasedSnivy wrote: VOTE: gob

gob and andre are the only ones who haven't posted (why i originally voted imaginality)

What are your reads right now?

T3 · Post Post #168 (isolation #23) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:40 am

In post 129, jjh927 wrote: The implication was the important thing

So going back to this, I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I think town would be more likely to openly say that they townread someone without just implying it. Although when I think about it more it's still probably NAI.
UNVOTE:

T3 · Post Post #188 (isolation #24) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:16 pm

In post 184, Firebringer wrote: VOTE: T3

voting shirou is getting boring

In post 186, Shirou wrote: VOTE: T3

why?

T3 · Post Post #205 (isolation #25) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:10 pm

In post 201, Shirou wrote: I think [Snivy, T3] have done an okay effort to progress the game despite the amount of shitposting we've been doing. Sometimes their attempt felt kinda LAMIST but ultimately I like it.

Why can scum not do what snivy and I have done?

T3 · Post Post #227 (isolation #26) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:30 pm

In post 206, Shirou wrote: scum usually only tries as hard or only a bit harder than most players are "trying" from my experience. There are a few that try to "solve" super hard but you don't look LAMIST enough to fit the archetype in my opinion, it's not a "in-your-face-I'm-solving" posting style, it feels more subtle especially from your (T3) side.

Okay, that's fair. I think Shirou is towny for this but I've also never played with him before.

T3 · Post Post #234 (isolation #27) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:02 pm

In post 229, Shirou wrote:
In post 116, Save The Dragons wrote: uh okay
It reads to me as a complete lack of interest in engaging with the game yeah.

Nah, this seems like typical STD. I almost never get the vibe that STD is engaged when he’s playing as town. I think I had meta on him related to this a while ago which ended up being right like slightly >rand+margin error.

T3 · Post Post #235 (isolation #28) » Wed Oct 11, 2023 5:03 pm

But no, I think that post by STD is entirely NAI and I think jjh is better than this

T3 · Post Post #284 (isolation #29) » Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:27 am

In post 242, Alisae wrote:
In post 47, T3 wrote:VOTE: ydrasse

In post 49, T3 wrote:real
is t3 ok?

sorry i have zoomeritis

T3 · Post Post #285 (isolation #30) » Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:36 am

I'm not convinced that StD is scum at all

T3 · Post Post #326 (isolation #31) » Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:50 pm

In post 313, patchwork wrote:
In post 294, Firebringer wrote: i barely bother reading to begin with.
i think im going to be tuning out prism posts soon.

brain not big enough for all the words prism puts in posts.
I would be very very wary of townreading Prism for vibes.

camel’s response to patchwork’s early posts is bad VOTE: camel
out of all the users i've seen thus far while checking thread i think i've seen prism the most and i think they're the one who i have the most distinct town vibe on

T3 · Post Post #327 (isolation #32) » Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:50 pm

In post 326, T3 wrote:
In post 313, patchwork wrote:
In post 294, Firebringer wrote: i barely bother reading to begin with.
i think im going to be tuning out prism posts soon.

brain not big enough for all the words prism puts in posts.
out of all the users i've seen thus far while checking thread i think i've seen prism the most and i think they're the one who i have the most distinct town vibe on

I would be very very wary of townreading Prism for vibes.

camel’s response to patchwork’s early posts is bad VOTE: camel

T3 · Post Post #353 (isolation #33) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:37 am

In post 328, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 327, T3 wrote:
In post 326, T3 wrote:
In post 313, patchwork wrote:
In post 294, Firebringer wrote: i barely bother reading to begin with.
i think im going to be tuning out prism posts soon.

brain not big enough for all the words prism puts in posts.
out of all the users i've seen thus far while checking thread i think i've seen prism the most and i think they're the one who i have the most distinct town vibe on

I would be very very wary of townreading Prism for vibes.

camel’s response to patchwork’s early posts is bad VOTE: camel
is it cuz I'm opportunistic or something lol

A little. The tone just seems bad though

T3 · Post Post #354 (isolation #34) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:40 am

I don’t like Shirou’s interactions with imaginality

T3 · Post Post #358 (isolation #35) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:49 am

In post 355, Prism wrote: I didn't dislike it after thought. I just haven't felt moved by Shirou at any point, even when he preempted my question to T3

Why did you dislike it at first and then stopped disliking it?

T3 · Post Post #359 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:50 am

To me it seemed like pointless questioning that was not actually intended to gauge a read on imaginality

T3 · Post Post #365 (isolation #37) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:00 am

In post 364, Prism wrote:
In post 358, T3 wrote:Why did you dislike it at first and then stopped disliking it?
I am also often self-absorbed and think that other players should have more interest in and reaction to the things that I say.

What do you mean?

In post 364, Prism wrote: What a horrible entry post. I don't think me at the bottom is a big deal. Whiteknighting Dragons [for what I assume] because his posting is very town is absolutely wild and an impossible conclusion to reach. Alisae at the bottom is also interesting and probably begs elaboration.

VOTE: gob

VOTE: gob

T3 · Post Post #389 (isolation #38) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 am

In post 378, gob wrote:
In post 364, Prism wrote:
In post 358, T3 wrote:Why did you dislike it at first and then stopped disliking it?
I am also often self-absorbed and think that other players should have more interest in and reaction to the things that I say.
In post 360, gob wrote: We’re 100% never fading STD today.

camelCasedSnivy, Shirou, Ydrasse, Alisae, Prism

this probably has scum on back end (alisae, prism)
What a horrible entry post. I don't think me at the bottom is a big deal. Whiteknighting Dragons [for what I assume] because his posting is very town is absolutely wild and an impossible conclusion to reach. Alisae at the bottom is also interesting and probably begs elaboration.

VOTE: gob
That is not my reasoning though? I never said their posting was towny lol.

I said because they got voted so quickly with no resistance theyre almost certainly not scum.

This explanation isn't that bad but I still think gob is scum on balance.

T3 · Post Post #425 (isolation #39) » Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:23 pm

In post 421, camelCasedSnivy wrote:
In post 419, jjh927 wrote: What do you think is scummy about T3
he has a lot of posts for not trying to scumhunt at all

I’m definitely making reads and commentary on players, that is undeniable. The main thing I struggle with is active scumhunting, like actually pressuring people and asking questions.

T3 · Post Post #496 (isolation #40) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:57 pm

Had some stuff today, catching up now.

T3 · Post Post #501 (isolation #41) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:00 pm

In post 434, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 102, T3 wrote:
In post 101, The Stage wrote: VOTE: jjh
Wrong account lmao
You were thinking jjh was trying to pocket you?

No. His explanation seemed deceptive but I couldn't quite establish a scum motivation for it.

T3 · Post Post #546 (isolation #42) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:31 pm

In post 457, Andresvmb wrote: I think Alisae’s ISO is Scummy actually. I know they’re A LOT more competent than their ISO makes it seem like they are, and they read to me like they don’t care too much what happens here.

I thought so too.

T3 · Post Post #548 (isolation #43) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:32 pm

In post 471, camelCasedSnivy wrote: does anyone have a solve

What is the point of asking this question

T3 · Post Post #565 (isolation #44) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:41 pm

In post 500, gob wrote:
In post 495, Shirou wrote:
In post 490, gob wrote: A lot of your questions are silly and time wasting.
Oh really? Maybe I'll conclude that your slot being alive is silly and time wasting.

Do you WANT me to conclude that?

I do NOT fail to MURDER someone when I want to.

I think your whole "StD was being voted so he's town" reasoning was silly too but I wouldn't simply ignore engagement on my take on that as if I'm "above" explaining my logic to "plebeians"
Dude its simple, StD was the first wagon to quickly rack up 5 votes. It's hard to think that StD is mafia there because mafia buds would put in some kind of resistance for their partner. Even if it wasn't a direct "hey lets not vote StD" it would be a "hey lets vote this other guy"

This take is bad and level 0 but I guess I can see a world in which gob actually thinks this. The way he said so confidently that StD was town seemed like it could be TMI though

T3 · Post Post #572 (isolation #45) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:47 pm

In post 519, gob wrote:
In post 187, camelCasedSnivy wrote: shirou is scum

UNVOTE: gob

VOTE: Save The Dragons
what was this about? kind of odd to say someone is scum but then vote someone else.

Yeah gob just has questionable takes in general

T3 · Post Post #583 (isolation #46) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:23 pm

I think gob's nullread on Prism is town indicative for gob actually

gob seems like the type of player to be super confident and exaggerate-y in his scum and townreads and I'd imagine that scum!him would have a much stronger read on Prism

UNVOTE:

T3 · Post Post #584 (isolation #47) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:27 pm

In post 550, gob wrote:
In post 548, T3 wrote:
In post 471, camelCasedSnivy wrote: does anyone have a solve
What is the point of asking this question
seems fine to me.

It seems useless in that moment though, no?

T3 · Post Post #585 (isolation #48) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:30 pm

[]
[gob]
[Ydrasse, STD, Shirou, Andres]
[patchwork, Prism, FIrebringer]
[imaginality] ---------- NULL LINE
[jjh, Alisae]
[camel]

VOTE: camel

That's a lot of players in my nulltown tier

T3 · Post Post #586 (isolation #49) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 4:31 pm

I dislike Alisae's 573

T3 · Post Post #610 (isolation #50) » Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:23 pm

VOTE: Alisae

T3 · Post Post #654 (isolation #51) » Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:10 am

In post 623, jjh927 wrote: Patchwork just looks like disengaged scum to me

When I last played with patchwork they were scum but they were hyperposting and engaged for most of the game.

T3 · Post Post #760 (isolation #52) » Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:40 pm

It’s late and I haven’t been analyzing much but I think an Aisae flip spews camel town

T3 · Post Post #805 (isolation #53) » Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:58 am

In post 789, Save The Dragons wrote: i think fb is my only true town read

Why?

T3 · Post Post #1095 (isolation #54) » Tue Oct 17, 2023 2:28 am

On pages 33 and 34 I liked STD's posts, I thought that he was putting in typical town effort but not being LAMIST. Alisae's scumread there is terrible.

T3 · Post Post #1117 (isolation #55) » Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:43 am

Titus is fine. She feels different to Datisi's University where she was scum.

T3 · Post Post #1340 (isolation #56) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:28 am

Catching up. Titus is obvtown.

T3 · Post Post #1341 (isolation #57) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:29 am

I don't think jjh is actually trying to sort STD, it just seems like he's trying to be right

T3 · Post Post #1342 (isolation #58) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:35 am

In post 1267, Save The Dragons wrote: T3 - seems kind of lingering in the background, i think T3 posts more as town (but i could be wrong)

No lol not at ALL. I usually average 2 posts per page as scum and like 0.5 posts per page as town.

T3 · Post Post #1343 (isolation #59) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:35 am

In post 1267, Save The Dragons wrote: not ordered

Ydrasse
Firebringer
Prism

Shirou
jjh927
Titus
gob
Andresvmb

CamelCasedSnivy
T3

imaginality
Alisae
'

Ydrasse - seems town
firebringer - same as previous reason
prism - i dunno. i'm waffling hard on this slot but i think i feel town vibes for now
Shirou - kinda tunneling me, not sure if that's a good look but the fact he's revisiting why i voted alisae might be something. (@jjh, he's wrong about scumreading me because I am not scum)
jjh - i dunno. i'd like to see more wrt other slots before i make a determination
titus - i don't really know yet
gob - i'd like to see more, right now all i remember is WKing me
Andresvmb - kind of want more tbh
CCS - not feeling as good as i normally do about CCS but not entirely bad
T3 - seems kind of lingering in the background, i think T3 posts more as town (but i could be wrong)
imaginality - posts suck, will detail later
Alisae - i dunno i'm not feeling the spark i normally feel from alisae

This readlist seems very fake but I also don't expect much analysis from std

T3 · Post Post #1344 (isolation #60) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:36 am

like why would you want more from Andres but not from ydrasse

T3 · Post Post #1346 (isolation #61) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:41 am

[gob, Titus]
[STD, Prism]
[imaginality, Andres, Firebringer]
------------------------ NULL LINE
[ydrasse, jjh, Shirou]
[camel, Alisae]

T3 · Post Post #1348 (isolation #62) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:42 am

In post 1345, Titus wrote: When you catch up, you should see that she's clearly more active now than him.

Yeah I am fully caught up but I also don't see ydra doing a whole lot. ydra has basically the same amount of actual content as Andres

T3 · Post Post #1351 (isolation #63) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:46 am

In post 852, Titus wrote:
In post 850, Alisae wrote:
In post 837, Titus wrote: I do find the concept of gasping at straws to TR as weird. Why would we need to grasp for TRs right now? I get forming a townblock but no point in forcing one.
semantics
Huh? Why this response?

In post 853, Titus wrote: I have a concern and it feels like you aren't even trying to understand it.

These posts in particular seemed like town genuinely taken aback. and then this post which follows that solidified my belief

In post 889, Titus wrote: My concern with voting Alisae is how frequently she's being hostile. That type of behavior is antitown but suggests town.

T3 · Post Post #1352 (isolation #64) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:46 am

In post 1350, Titus wrote: Shirou is far too down on your read list. Wtf?

I have not seen any good reason to townread him.

T3 · Post Post #1386 (isolation #65) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:40 am

In post 1355, Save The Dragons wrote:
Spoiler:

117 > 29

Well yes but multiply 117 by 0.2 for the amount of content of posts that Ydra has put out

T3 · Post Post #1387 (isolation #66) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:42 am

In post 1385, Titus wrote: All the more reason to think that the wagons are on town and scum don't care.

Is the other option perhaps that scum are bad and low effort?

T3 · Post Post #1388 (isolation #67) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:43 am

What if we're in a world where Ali is scum and her partners and ydra and Andres who are just too inactive to try and shake up the gamestate

T3 · Post Post #1393 (isolation #68) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:59 am

I spent like 30 minutes this morning reading the past 20 pages and taking notes

T3 · Post Post #1395 (isolation #69) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:03 am

I literally got 800 on my reading SAT but I can't fucking read a mafiascum game lmao

T3 · Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:46 am

In post 1400, Prism wrote:
In post 1395, T3 wrote: I literally got 800 on my reading SAT but I can't fucking read a mafiascum game lmao
We are all very proud of you. This is an accomplishment that will set you up to procure even more educational resources, social investment, and economic mobility and flexibility in life. I hope you make the most of it.

In the context of the mafia game, no one cares.

yeah no i was just frustrated at myself

T3 · Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:04 pm

In post 1419, Alisae wrote: If T3 wants to donowall me I am going to be mad as heck

Someone's been on twitch for too long

Also I was phoneposting and I'm busy rn

T3 · Post Post #1428 (isolation #72) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:28 pm

V/LA for 24 to 48 hours

I'm ill

T3 · Post Post #1441 (isolation #73) » Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:35 pm

In post 1433, Prism wrote: T3 continues to stay high, but I am bothered by his townread on Titus. Titus has been around the block many times and can take the basic tonal behaviors you learn in year 1. She is well past that point. I tried to track through the patchwork progression, because originally I thought T3 was a patchwork voter (which would have made the Titus flip very +town), but it looks like he's had the slot as nulltown all game.

I am not townreading Titus for tone

T3 · Post Post #1561 (isolation #74) » Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:29 am

In post 1413, Alisae wrote: T3 read the game tell me if that changes ur mind because the games would look identical if the team was me ydra and andres

I fail to see why this matters

T3 · Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:11 am

In post 1710, Alisae wrote:
In post 1561, T3 wrote:
In post 1413, Alisae wrote: T3 read the game tell me if that changes ur mind because the games would look identical if the team was me ydra and andres
I fail to see why this matters
I mean if u just don’t care then I can just not townread u anymore

It's not that I don't care it's that you're not interpreting my example well

T3 · Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:12 am

In post 1639, Dannflor wrote: Alisae was a Crewman.

oh

T3 · Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:12 am

In post 1720, Titus wrote: T3, can I interest you in a jjh imaginality or Ydrasse wagon?

When I finish reading

T3 · Post Post #2073 (isolation #78) » Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:02 am

I am starting to reconsider on Titus tbh

I also liked ydrasse's posts from the start of the day

T3 · Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:19 am

I’m reading through this game at a snail’s pace but I think fire is town

T3 · Post Post #2165 (isolation #80) » Tue Oct 24, 2023 3:38 am

I think scum jjh would probably approach imaginality’s posts in more bad faith here

T3 · Post Post #2168 (isolation #81) » Tue Oct 24, 2023 5:30 am

In post 2167, Titus wrote:
In post 2165, T3 wrote: I think scum jjh would probably approach imaginality’s posts in more bad faith here
And if he's scum with imaginality?

Sure, okay, they can both be scum together. I don't think so though.

VOTE: imaginality

T3 · Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:59 am

In post 2179, imaginality wrote: It's not about Alisae. It's about Gob saying Alisae's logic makes sense and that "town would have slipped up there under pressure" when he must have meant "scum would have slipped up there under pressure". Could be a typo, could be a sign of hidden knowledge of Alisae's alignment.

imaginality has almost certainly played enough games to know that this is completely NAI. I don't think that this comes from scum though - I think scum would probably know better than to post this and the fact that jjh chooses to pick this specific detail to engage with is scummy to me.

T3 · Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:02 pm

In post 2188, camelCasedSnivy wrote: what is the distinction between "town that doesn't really know what they're doing" and "pretending to be clueless scum"

I do not buy this.

VOTE: camel

T3 · Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:02 pm

Also I'm going to be more active from now on - I got a bit discouraged earlier and focused more on a game offsite

T3 · Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:05 pm

Could camel be bussing jjh? When I look at his progression on jjh throughout his ISO it makes sense and I don't think that camel's sustained questioning of jjh comes from scumpartners, like I can see the town motivation and a deeper thought process behind his questions and interactions.

T3 · Post Post #2224 (isolation #86) » Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:00 pm

In post 2222, imaginality wrote:
In post 2216, T3 wrote: Could camel be bussing jjh? When I look at his progression on jjh throughout his ISO it makes sense and I don't think that camel's sustained questioning of jjh comes from scumpartners, like I can see the town motivation and a deeper thought process behind his questions and interactions.
Does the "town motivation and deeper thought process" point here refer to jjh's posts rather than camel's? Or if it's referring to camel as what sounds like a reason to townread him, how does that square with you voting him right before this post?

It's with reference to a few of camel's posts, and

yes

, that would be a reason to townread him but 1. I don't think that's out his scumrange and 2. I think if it is in his scumrange, then scum are less likely to do that with a partner.

T3 · Post Post #2225 (isolation #87) » Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:01 pm

All-in-all I still want to vote him.

T3 · Post Post #2227 (isolation #88) » Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:07 pm

In post 2226, camelCasedSnivy wrote: man T3 dont pretend to know my townrange or scumrange

I'm not even scumreading you for that lol

T3 · Post Post #2231 (isolation #89) » Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:25 pm

tbh the logic of 2216 probably wasn't quite sound. Or maybe I explained my point unclearly wrt the scum and townranges.

T3 · Post Post #2235 (isolation #90) » Tue Oct 24, 2023 2:09 pm

UNVOTE:

T3 · Post Post #2293 (isolation #91) » Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:39 am

In post 2245, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2216, T3 wrote: Could camel be bussing jjh? When I look at his progression on jjh throughout his ISO it makes sense and I don't think that camel's sustained questioning of jjh comes from scumpartners, like I can see the town motivation and a deeper thought process behind his questions and interactions.
where does camel questioning of jjh make sense

Spoiler:

Obviously this is not out of camel's scumrange but I think scum is less likely to follow up on questioning like this with their partners. No?

T3 · Post Post #2295 (isolation #92) » Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:45 am

T3 · Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:34 pm

Can someone please recap where the townreads on Titus are coming from?

T3 · Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:50 pm

Yeah I thought that Titus' posts were too weird to come from scum but then I realized that I was townreading her for the exact same reasons that I scumread her when I read through Datisi's University

T3 · Post Post #2338 (isolation #95) » Thu Oct 26, 2023 1:04 am

In post 2311, T3 wrote: Yeah I thought that Titus' posts were too weird to come from scum but then I realized that I was townreading her for the exact same reasons that I scumread her when I read through Datisi's University

weird as in “there is no way that she actually believes what she’s saying”

T3 · Post Post #2339 (isolation #96) » Thu Oct 26, 2023 1:11 am

In post 2319, Titus wrote:
In post 2314, Prism wrote: I really didn't agree even at the time. I was very open that I felt uncomfortable with my wagonmates, and jjh expressed the same concerns.
In post 1549, jjh927 wrote: I'm gonna say it's scummy on the basis that there is no difference, tangible or otherwise, between Alisae's posting style before and after STD's initial vote, whereas it was a possible point of gamestate shift and a moment that STD used to repeatedly point at himself and say he wasn't scum because why would scum unvote Alisae, and now that the Alisae wagon has rebuilt he is getting back on the wagon

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

In the absence of any higher reasoning driving the play, the only assumption left is that it was scum motivation that drove that particular interaction
This quote is one of the ones immediately preceding your hammer. I think it favors jjh's sincerity.
Voting a vanity wagon doesn't matter. He had no strength of conviction. No working with people. He voted that way to look good. StD has always been a wagon shopped by scum and I've maintained that.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest that jjh could have thought that 2 or 3 people would pivot to STD after this.

T3 · Post Post #2340 (isolation #97) » Thu Oct 26, 2023 1:12 am

Titus’ logic is terrible but I’ve seen town Titus get tunneled like this before

T3 · Post Post #2360 (isolation #98) » Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:06 am

I didn't even know that there was that much anime that existed

T3 · Post Post #2592 (isolation #99) » Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:04 am

In post 2489, Shirou wrote:
In post 1000, Titus wrote: Titus's theory of the game.

Alisae is town or working for the scumteam accidentally. I fear the latter.

Ydrasse is scum fearing a revitalization of the game.
The vote on "patchwork" can only be explained by him reading the scum PT and it not having been updated.

This suggests most of the active posters are town as active posters would have alerted Ydrasse to the fact I was not lurkerbait anymore.

Ydrasse's reaction is precisely what I'd expect from scum losing a beard.

Based on this I suspect StD town.
This was the initial "Ydrasse slipped" post and it feels so fucking INSANE to someone that's apparently skeptical of slips.

Even if you say "This time I just think scum slipped for real", the "can ONLY be explained by a slip" is so weird when Ydrasse can just...not have read the game too closely?

It's like, a trivial explanation that's entirely dismissed and it only makes sense if believing in dubious slips is usual behavior for Titus but that does not seem to be the case.

Okay that's pretty damning.
VOTE: Titus

T3 · Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:06 am

Maybe it's not that damning though...

Maybe my bar for Titus' logic as town is set too low though

T3 · Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:12 am

I'm getting flashbacks to Titus in MBOS 13 when she was limmed day 1

I think Titus has to go no matter what though, this speculation right now is useless

T3 · Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:26 am

Titus is never reevaluating

T3 · Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:16 am

In post 2719, Firebringer wrote: Yeah one of T3 and Prism is definitely scum here

y

T3 · Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:22 am

I wonder if camel actually might be scum with jjh trying to create anti-associatives??? Idk how to properly distinguish between anti-associatives and fake anti-associatives

T3 · Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:30 am

In post 2767, Save The Dragons wrote: i thought people were like "scum would never bus in this game" what happened to that

didn't we literally say that scum bussing is a good strategy earlier

T3 · Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:31 am

VOTE: Firebringer

I'm gonna go here for now

T3 · Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:39 am

In post 2766, Prism wrote:
In post 2762, T3 wrote: I wonder if camel actually might be scum with jjh trying to create anti-associatives??? Idk how to properly distinguish between anti-associatives and fake anti-associatives
While this is plausible, the bigger issue is jjh's push on the slot. As scum he is 100% attuned to the fact I was a likely vote there along with Firebringer. jjh was really playing with fire (hue) by starting to shove camel.

That's true. I find camel's specific focus on jjh compared to other players odd, it seems like setting up for endgame.

T3 · Sat Oct 28, 2023 7:39 am

the sad part is that std is probably town

T3 · Sat Oct 28, 2023 8:03 am

Could std just be town making stuff up to justify bad reads and protect their ego??? I've seen people do that before on MU

T3 · Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:36 pm

T3 · Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:12 am

In post 2854, gob wrote: Okay Prism, T3, JJH

Two of you are being tricked by the other.

I'm not even townreading jjh, and I have made a point of not having any read on Prism

Sure I could see a world in which Prism is trying to pocket me subconsciously or something but I think that's unlikely

T3 · Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:15 am

I have good anti-partner interactions with camel but I also am uh, known to bus as scum.

In all likelihood if I was scum here I would have some terrible and obvious TMI reason why camel was scum instead of a reasonably nuanced point

T3 · Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:19 am

VOTE: Andres

I might as well vote him if this wagon has more traction

T3 · Sun Oct 29, 2023 11:23 am

ydra is also a person that exists but I've glossed over basically all her posts

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:26 am

In post 2943, Lazy Shirou wrote:
In post 2214, T3 wrote:
In post 2188, camelCasedSnivy wrote: what is the distinction between "town that doesn't really know what they're doing" and "pretending to be clueless scum"
I do not buy this.

VOTE: camel

In post 2215, T3 wrote: Also I'm going to be more active from now on - I got a bit discouraged earlier and focused more on a game offsite

In post 2225, T3 wrote: All-in-all I still want to vote him.

In post 2227, T3 wrote:
In post 2226, camelCasedSnivy wrote: man T3 dont pretend to know my townrange or scumrange
I'm not even scumreading you for that lol

In post 2231, T3 wrote: tbh the logic of 2216 probably wasn't quite sound. Or maybe I explained my point unclearly wrt the scum and townranges.

In post 2235, T3 wrote: UNVOTE:

uhhh that’s fair actually

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:14 am

I'm getting more confident in Prism and gob town here

I'm gonna go play Dominion I'll be back later

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:17 am

In post 2986, gob wrote: If it was E-1 with tons of resistance that ultimately died, then yea I understand. But there was no resistance.

baffling post tbh

I am generally of the opinion that wagons reaching E-1 early is basically never a towntell outside of newbie games fwiw

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:20 am

In post 2988, gob wrote:
In post 2987, T3 wrote:
In post 2986, gob wrote: If it was E-1 with tons of resistance that ultimately died, then yea I understand. But there was no resistance.
baffling post tbh

I am generally of the opinion that wagons reaching E-1 early is basically never a towntell outside of newbie games fwiw
Why?

It just hasn't been true in my experience. Good town players know not to hammer a wagon early and good scum players know how to get their partner out of a wagon without overtly defending or chainsawing them.

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:36 am

Idk if town gob is a viable mislim today. Prism and I hard townread him, so does Shirou I think

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:36 am

In post 2996, gob wrote: I find it really hard to believe mafia busses day 1 in this setup.

how does camel voting in RVS count as bussing?

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:11 pm

In post 3012, Lazy Shirou wrote: but this game just feels...so streamlined. A quick wagon after the other.

Is this your only reason for not wanting to wagon Andres/imaginality?

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:15 pm

I fail to see why the solve can't be imaginality/STD or something stupid like that, and why town can't just be twiddling their thumbs waiting to get momentum going.

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:15 pm

In post 3016, Lazy Shirou wrote: I explained myself on Imaginality a few pages ago, proof you aren't reading?

I haven't been reading your posts in particular

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:16 pm

In post 2835, Lazy Shirou wrote: Imaginality may potentially be town for not leaving even when suspected but I don't think it's good enough to clear the slot entirely

Actually no wait, I saw this and I forgot that you were the one who said it

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:18 pm

Alisae probably would have resolved himself later in the game, yeah. I don't think Titus would though.

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:23 pm

In post 3022, Lazy Shirou wrote: p-edit: I guess I was just soulreading Titus as town even though all the logic in my brain was telling me she was scum

I was too up until the end

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:25 pm

In post 3012, Lazy Shirou wrote: Doesn't feel like we've any chance of hitting scum at all if we just follow those "mainstream" wagons/ideas/solves

Also who would be scum in this scenario? I know you said there's one in me/jjh but if I'm scum and jjh is town then who's the other scum that is trying to control the game? Prism?

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:32 pm

In post 3027, Lazy Shirou wrote:
In post 3025, T3 wrote:
In post 3012, Lazy Shirou wrote: Doesn't feel like we've any chance of hitting scum at all if we just follow those "mainstream" wagons/ideas/solves
Also who would be scum in this scenario? I know you said there's one in me/jjh but if I'm scum and jjh is town then who's the other scum that is trying to control the game? Prism?
Interesting. I feel like usually people would ask "I know I'm town so if this guy is scum, who's the other one because it's not me" rather than "If I'm scum and this other guy is town" hypothetical.

But maybe I'm just being petty/tunneled at that point.

I guess if you were scum and jjh is somehow town...maybe Ydra? maybe Fire? Prism feels much...harder. It would mean Camel did way too much bussing.

It is you being tunneled.

I guess it doesn't really matter because we only need to lim 1 scum to win.

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:32 pm

In post 3028, Lazy Shirou wrote:
In post 3026, Prism wrote: jjh is easily putting in 12x the amount of work he needs to to win the game as scum. He can literally just vote vote whoever of Dragons/imaginality/Andres is not a partner and AFK, but here he is trying to make a miracle anyway.
First people tell me that Titus' activity wasn't a town tell/alignment related

now it's apparently alignment related for JJH?

That's funny Prism.

Willful misinterpretation of Prism's point tbh

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:35 pm

jjh isn't gonna want to change the gamestate if he's scum

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:41 pm

In post 3039, Lazy Shirou wrote: if he needs it

he doesn't

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:44 pm

I don't think jjh

needs

to hard push imaginality/Andres. I think he's perfectly fine as scum if he plops his vote down on imaginality/Andres and then AFKs and because the gamestate is so static all he needs to do is weakly push one of them, and the sheeple will hop on.

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:46 pm

In post 3043, Lazy Shirou wrote: If you voted Andres for having more traction, and think StD is possible/likely, why aren't you voting StD now that it has more traction than Andres?

See 2801

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:48 pm

Also I think that Prism's reads are better to sheep than jjh or Firebringer's

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:50 pm

Yeah 3044 was a pretty obvious bait

STD is possible but Andres/imaginality are more likely.

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:52 pm

Okay, Shirou is town

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:53 pm

No I'm just sick at home

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 12:54 pm

I'm sick enough to give myself a good excuse for skipping school but not sick enough to be lying in bed vomiting like I was a few days ago

T3 · Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:05 pm

In post 3056, Lazy Shirou wrote: I also feel like your posts are a bit towny in a superficial level but no on a "deeper level" or something

That's fair. I usually don't have a deeper thought process behind any of the posts I make as town and it's something I'm pretty good at faking when I'm scum.

T3 · Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:37 am

In post 3062, jjh927 wrote: T3 is definitely not out of his scumrange

My scumrange is larger than my townrange

T3 · Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:38 am

In post 3063, jjh927 wrote: T3, what are your reads right now

You're town, Shirou's town, gob's town, Prism's probably town, STD's probably town, everyone else is a varying shade of null

T3 · Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:50 am

In post 3067, jjh927 wrote: Would you rather I talk to you about slots you have reads on, or slots you don't

Me? Slots that I don’t have reads on, probably. More specifically Firebringer and ydra

T3 · Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:02 am

You think that camel's half-assed push on a widely townread player has absolutely no chance of being bussing?

T3 · Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:22 pm

VOTE: firebringer

T3 · Wed Nov 01, 2023 2:15 pm

Is there really more than 1 person voting me

T3 · Wed Nov 01, 2023 2:16 pm

Anyways you should read Prism's reasons for townreading me, not just from my side of the interactions I had with camel but he talks about camel's too

T3 · Wed Nov 01, 2023 2:17 pm

Also if I'm scum then why do I vote Firebringer here lol

T3 · Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:10 pm

In post 3252, Lazy Shirou wrote: When you look at T3/StD, especially T3 that has been around but did nothing other than to complain about me scum reading him, do you feel any remote sense they're trying to find scum rather than pass through the day?

That's an open question to everyone.

what

Did I not engage semi substantially with you about Andres/imaginality

T3 · Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:10 pm

jjh too

T3 · Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:12 pm

In post 3253, Lazy Shirou wrote: He even admits he DOESN'T have a read on Firebringer and still votes them today when we desperately need to find scum

I voted Firebringer because I wanted to see what would happen

T3 · Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:12 pm

What happened is that I scumread Andres more VOTE: Andres

T3 · Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:17 pm

I'm the easiest mislim ever

T3 · Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:18 pm

Also I think ydra is town

T3 · Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:31 pm

T3 · Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:04 am

Maybe Andres is just town tbh

T3 · Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:11 am

He could have voted me in his big catch-up and no one would have faulted him for it

He’s saying that my read on him is motivated by being pressured and that I’ve read him correctly in the past which I don’t ever remember being true. I also like that he approached me in good faith about it too

T3 · Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:13 am

I guess this is refuted by the fact that the momentum is on my wagon

T3 · Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:28 am

VOTE: imaginality

T3 · Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:31 am

In post 3398, Prism wrote: I don't think voting town-T3 is actually bad for scum-Andres but the blitz mechanic provides some a lot of incentive to wait and hope someone fucks up.

That's true - I think the likelihood of someone fucking up is pretty low given that you talked about the blitz mechanic before though

T3 · Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:38 pm

I've probably hit the floor of possible winrate as town but at least I put it on my wiki page

T3 · Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:06 pm

I've put forth obviously terrible arguments as scum and just been laughed at and townread

T3 · Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:08 pm

I started trying to play into it, I realized that people were townreading me for being super sincere so I tried playing into the all-over-the-place newbscum vibes

T3 · Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:17 pm

Maybe Shirou and Prism and Andres are all town

T3 · Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:34 am

VOTE: ydra

T3 · Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:35 am

I have the exact same read on ydra as I do on imaginality

T3 · Sun Nov 05, 2023 7:49 am

In post 3616, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 3304, T3 wrote: Also I think ydra is town

In post 3400, T3 wrote: VOTE: imaginality

In post 3612, T3 wrote:VOTE: ydra

In post 3613, T3 wrote: I have the exact same read on ydra as I do on imaginality
this is a very funny chain of events

I don't even remember why I thought you were town which goes to show the strength and conviction of my previous read

T3 · Sun Nov 05, 2023 8:08 am

T3 · Sun Nov 05, 2023 11:37 am

I just finished a scumgame under an alt - you could read my ISO if you want but I think the contrast between this game and that game is massive.
viewtopic.php?t=91760&user_select%5B%5D=37229

T3 · Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:18 pm

VOTE: imaginality

T3 · Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:55 am

Did Andres even read Prism's towncase for gob

T3 · Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:56 am

I don't know. The fact that anyone isn't seeing gob's posts as transparenly town is a little baffling

T3 · Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:56 am

In post 3822, T3 wrote: I don't know. The fact that anyone isn't seeing gob's posts as transparently town is a little baffling

T3 · Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:58 am

In post 3824, Andresvmb wrote: Alright T3 what do you want me to vote?

imaginality

T3 · Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:59 am

I also dislike Prism's recent progression on you but a wagon on him won't be productive I think

T3 · Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:05 am

In post 3826, Andresvmb wrote: I mean that. I run through an actual process to lay out my thinking but you know, what do I know, clearly my position is baffling.

Dude I get your case, but I think it's bad and wrong for reasons that others have explained

T3 · Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:24 am

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:21 am

I think it's more likely that STD just doesn't know the setup

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:55 am

In post 3999, Ydrasse wrote: i had that thought too but do you think it’s AI?

Even if it is I don't think it will change anyone's reads

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:37 am

Yeah I'm pretty sure rn that Andres is town.

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:37 am

I wonder if the team is Shirou/imaginality.

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:42 am

Shirou was the main source of resistance when imaginality was at E-1, he townread him at the start of the day but since then he's had an inconsistent position on him, and while he claimed several times that he would be willing to vote him if worst comes to worst, he never actually does, and instead pushes aggressively for other lims.

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:43 am

In post 4035, jjh927 wrote:
In post 4031, T3 wrote: I wonder if the team is Shirou/imaginality.
Do you think Shirou offers to hammer Imaginaltiy the way he did? I took that as a genuine offer but at the same time he could have been very much expecting to not have to be held to it

Shirou just seems independently town to me

I didn't think it was genuine nor do I think that Shirou is independently town.

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:48 am

In post 4044, jjh927 wrote:
In post 4042, T3 wrote: Shirou was the main source of resistance when imaginality was at E-1, he townread him at the start of the day but since then he's had an inconsistent position on him, and while he claimed several times that he would be willing to vote him if worst comes to worst, he never actually does, and instead pushes aggressively for other lims.
Well yeah that's how I feel about Shirou with STD but he can't be scum with both of them

Has his position wrt STD been the same as his position wrt imaginality? He's been a lot less forceful in his defense of STD than he has been with his defense of imaginality?

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:50 am

Not defense, per se, but when imaginality was put to E-1 Shirou pushed Andres very hard.

tbh reading Shirou's ISO I did see some towny stuff though.

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:52 am

At some point it does become hard for very good, or at least, very forceful and analysis-heavy town players to play together. I don't think reading into the gamestate is very helpful due to this/

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:52 am

In post 4064, Lazy Shirou wrote: It's Firebringer + someone to me

at maximum T3 + someone else to me

but you won't lim either of them so I've given up on that route

They are the unique two "reasonable" players really chill this entire time we've bee losing our minds solving this

I think there's a reason for that.

I'd vote Firebringer here tbh

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:53 am

VOTE: Firebringer

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:54 am

No Firebringer vote?

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:00 pm

The fact that Prism can't see Andres as town is a little weird

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:02 pm

In post 4096, Prism wrote:
In post 4092, T3 wrote: The fact that Prism can't see Andres as town is a little weird
There are scum in this game. They do exist.

True!

Such as like, Firebringer, and ydra. Although that is a bit of a cop-out solve tbh.

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:04 pm

I just want to get us out of this purgatory

Do I hammer

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:04 pm

P-edit:

T3 · Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:05 pm

VOTE: andres

T3 · Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:15 am

Lol I reread during the night and thought the solve was Firebringer/Shirou

T3 · Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:16 am

I think my associatives with Firebringer are pretty clearing, at least

T3 · Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:16 am

T3 · Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:18 am

Maybe not clearing, but I voted Firebringer at the start of yesterday when I really did not need to and then Firebringer pushed back hard

T3 · Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:20 am

Honestly I think scum are probably in ydra/Prism

T3 · Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:24 am

In post 4153, Ydrasse wrote: if t3 is town i cannot understand why he called andres town and then hammered even under wanting the day to end. what a horrible play. i wanted the day to end but i wasn’t going to vote because of that

Posts like this make me heavily lean towards scum ydra