Open 889 | Secrets of the Anuket Topaz | fin.

[Prism]

What are your reads on the flip, Dragons? Please show me one of the "moments of brilliance" you constantly take refuge in to justify your playstyle.

[Save The Dragons]

it's the same shit i've gone through whatever man

no body wants to take responsibility so when you flip me you'll go "no it was STD who was wrong" even though there's all these hints i'm not scum and you want to ignore them and would rather attack me for being bad than look inward

whatever

[Save The Dragons]

You're asking very obtuse questions and strawmanning. It is incredibly difficult to believe you are acting in good faith.

You can read. You know that my issue is not that you reconsidered camel. My issue is that you took 5 minutes, and 3 were spent strengthening a scumread on imaginality. The timing does not line up for the voteswitch.

no this doesn't make sense

i re-evaluated the read

what is your issue with that i'm really honestly confused

[Prism]

You know me, always tunneling, never rereading haha

[T3]

i thought people were like "scum would never bus in this game" what happened to that

didn't we literally say that scum bussing is a good strategy earlier

[jjh927]

oof

bad takes my friends

Why didn't you vote Camel in day 2

[T3]

VOTE: Firebringer

I'm gonna go here for now

[Save The Dragons]

oof

bad takes my friends

Why didn't you vote Camel in day 2

let's flip imagine and see what you think after that

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: imaginality still think it's this

[Save The Dragons]

but i want to take some time not dealing with people who just hate me because of a playstyle difference to look back at stuff so i will do that now

[jjh927]

oof

bad takes my friends

Why didn't you vote Camel in day 2

[Save The Dragons]

oof

bad takes my friends

Why didn't you vote Camel in day 2

let's flip imagine and see what you think after that

[Save The Dragons]

just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean i haven't answered the question

[jjh927]

No, that's not an answer

[jjh927]

If you want to say "I thought Imaginality was more likely to flip scum" then say that

[Save The Dragons]

ok but dont you agree prism is a juicier vote

can we kill prism now

snivy whats ur read list

gob andres shirou
you and ydrasse
everyone else (those god dang lowposters)
alisae
prism

off the top of my head

kinda don't think it's prism

[Save The Dragons]

If you want to say "I thought Imaginality was more likely to flip scum" then say that

sounds like what i said got the message across so :shrug:

[jjh927]

What you were responding with is essentially "Let's ignore me and flip a different slot so I don't have to answer the question"

[Save The Dragons]

If you want to say "I thought Imaginality was more likely to flip scum" then say that

sounds like what i said got the message across so :shrug:

[Prism]

You're asking very obtuse questions and strawmanning. It is incredibly difficult to believe you are acting in good faith.

You can read. You know that my issue is not that you reconsidered camel. My issue is that you took 5 minutes, and 3 were spent strengthening a scumread on imaginality. The timing does not line up for the voteswitch.

no this doesn't make sense

i re-evaluated the read

what is your issue with that i'm really honestly confused

1. Dragons posts "CCS - not feeling as good as i normally do about CCS but not entirely bad" and "imaginality - posts suck, will detail later" at 7:46p EST.
2. Dragons goes through imaginality's ISO and quotes several posts. Comments are universally negative: "this feels slimy like a made up reason" "seems like an excuse to not give more reads" and "you know better. this looks fake as fuck" at 7:49p EST.
3. Dragons votes camel and says "i think i want this tbh after thinking about it" at 7:51p EST.

It is very obvious what the 3 minutes between 1 & 2 were spent on. It is not obvious what thinking happened between 7:49p & 7:51p to sway you to move from a lukewarm nullread on camel to a vote there, and you did not explain it. Instead just asserted you "changed your mind" without at all explaining how you changed your mind. It is doubtful you did anything substantive thinking on camel at all in this short timespan, and if you did, you did not explain it at all.

Finally, after repeated back and forths, you imply it's because camel has votes and imaginality does not. This does not seem to imply your "changing your mind" had anything to do with camel's play at all, despite your previous statements.

It is an incredibly scummy progression, and perhaps one that was worth explaining to people

at the time it was made

rather than get indignant about people not immediately believing everything you say unquestionably a week later.

[jjh927]

I need to pin your stances to the wall or you'll try to find some plausibly deniable way of calling it a playstyle difference and a miscommunication when I push you

[Save The Dragons]

what do you want me to say

i looked back at camel and thought it was a better vote

i don't know what's so hard about that

[Save The Dragons]

I need to pin your stances to the wall or you'll try to find some plausibly deniable way of calling it a playstyle difference and a miscommunication when I push you

maybe you should spend less time getting pissed at my playstyle and more time trying to understand me

[Prism]

None of this criticism in 2794 is because I hate you. I don't appreciate you casting it as such.

It is because it is an incredibly scummy progression and the turnaround on it looks implausible to me.

[T3]

I wonder if camel actually might be scum with jjh trying to create anti-associatives??? Idk how to properly distinguish between anti-associatives and fake anti-associatives

While this is plausible, the bigger issue is jjh's push on the slot. As scum he is 100% attuned to the fact I was a likely vote there along with Firebringer. jjh was really playing with fire (hue) by starting to shove camel.

That's true. I find camel's specific focus on jjh compared to other players odd, it seems like setting up for endgame.