open 896: describing conker (game over)

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I'm town

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I'm going to start reading here shortly

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Lol Black you’re currently at E-1, good luck

Wait you're a liar

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Ok so one scum in {Ari, Elements, Ydra} and one scum in {Afrayed, Meuh, OopsieDaisy, Dann, fire}

Seems easy enough

Spoiler: Pages 1-6

10 - I understood this as soon as I read it

17 - Elements actually trying on page 1? Wut

I'm kinda liking Ari's sharpness on Page 2

56 -

59 - Ari's sharpness continues. Vibereading this as town

60 - I'm not seeing what's to like about Meuh so far

62 - Weird take considering Dann hasn't posted. Possible pocket attempt? 64 implies he's joking though ig

The justification for 71 in post 72 reads a little LAMIST to me

73 - Oh nvm, it was a real read. Back to feeling weird about this even though fire makes some sense here

76 - Still getting pockety vibes here and I don't really agree with the logic. That doesn't mean it can't come from town!fire. I think Dann would put himself in the big group if he were scum since he's usually pretty townread from what I've seen. I'm not sure who scum!Dann would put in there with him though. I do like that fire is thinking about this though but I just get weird vibes from it

77 - bit of a mindmeld after typing that. Maybe Oopsie IST without the LAM

fire's posts read like a townie trying to think through the setup but I don't think it's anything scum couldn't fake here

Meuh's 89 is a bit of a contrast from her 49. I feel like she should be continuing to argue that we shouldn't plan to hit in either hood, but maybe she's just thinking ahead a little in case the town decides to go against her wishes

I like Ari's question in 91

93 - this is a bit of a stretch but I can see a townie having this thought. I think Ari's posts make sense if she truly believes the small hood doesn't matter. I also think she would likely put herself in the small hood if she's scum with this thought process though, but I'm still feeling like she's town at this point

97 - not really vibing with Ydra's entrance here

98 - I think Dann feels that too?

Small hood beefing a little on Page 5. This is interesting

112 - Elements feels a little pacifist here. Currently thinking it's either Ydra or Elements in this hood. Not sure which way I lean, probably Ydra?

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Spoiler: Pages 6-12

126 - this doesn't really track to me. It seems like fire has thought about the setup quite a bit

128 - Elements trying to take the attention off of the small hood. It feels like she's doing it in a different way than Ari was earlier, but that feeling could just be coming from my vibe townread on Ari. Not sure what to make of Elements not voting much or trolling at all in this game but she definitely feels different

131 - I like this thought but I've never played with Ydra so I'm not sure how accurate it is

143 - not liking this WIFOM on a gut level but I don't really think it's AI

148 - this post made me double check the playerlist. Project isn't even in the game

152 - Locktowning this

Afrayed wagon on Page 8 is interesting. Not seeing the scumminess in Afrayed's posting but I think this could just be a reaction wagon of some sort

185 and some of Oopsie's previous posts gives me Elements/Oopsie paranoia

I like Dann's read in 185

203 - "Not Daisy or Meuh" ...would Elements include her scum buddy here? Maybe so if it's with one other person but idk. I don't know why Meuh gets a pass

213 - great question by Dann. Vibing town with Dann so far

Oopsie is defending Elements

a lot

on page 9. I don't think a partner really goes to this extreme to defend their buddy so much

217 - I like this question by Ydra

221 - Kind of a weird take by Afrayed here. There's more to the game so far than friendly jokes between familiar players

I like Afrayed's responses on page 10 though. Vibing town here as well

Ari's sharpness from earlier continues on page 11. It feels like she's trying to sort Afrayed here

258 - I'm really sorry to hear this Afrayed

I like Oopsie's 269 and the ensuing Fire wagon

279 mindmelding with this thought from Ydra even though my Elements/Oopsie paranoia has lessened a bit

And here we are

First thoughts fresh off the read is that Ari, Dann, and Afrayed feel pretty townie. Oopsie is a townlean. Not feeling great about Fire, Elements, and Meuh. Fire/Elements is my gut solve. Maybe Meuh/Elements

I like the Fire wagon but I don't really want to put it at e-1, so...

VOTE: Elements

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that wasn’t my entrance smh

Oh my bad I missed the T

Ok you can be locktown

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Black thinking I'm red team day 1?

Shocker!

This feels like you're trying to undermine my read

Show me examples of me doing this before

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Lol Black you’re currently at E-1, good luck

Who in the small hood do you think is most likely to be scum atm

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Black's return is ok. Nothing stuck out too much to me, bar the fact that the last person who called me LAMIST was scum and I let em have that read cause it makes sense w/ my playstyle. Don't think that means much tho, I am just a very LAMIST-y player fr.

Yeah I'm kinda getting this vibe from you after reading the rest of the game

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If people want me to explain my read on El from an in-game context, I struggle to see why they choose to be in the small hood based on the fact that they're a player who doesn't get consistent early townreads in games (not even from me).

Like if the expectation is that the small hood gets the focus, and you know that you're a player who is often hovering in danger of mislims Day 1, why would that be a good idea? The only answer I find is the WIFOM angle.

If Elements is scum then wouldn't it make more sense to go into the small hood from this perspective? If they get faded in the big hood then it's just gg

I think scum!Elements would put herself into the small hood and try to keep the attention on the big hood just like she's been doing

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Black, it feels like your read on Ari arose from vibing with her personality rather than her game content
Why do you not think Ari would come in with sharp quips as red team?

I think she could, but my gut tells me this is her "let's find scum and kill them" town mindset

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Big hood

Daisy

Black
Everyone else

Small Hood

Ydra
Ari

Why am I so high?

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black i am suspicious of you town reading me so easily and would be grateful if you would expand on what exactly is making you lean that way for me

I generally get town pings from players that see the same things I do. When reading through I saw this a few times (98, 189, 213, 270)

I like your questions and it feels like we're thinking about the game on a similar wavelength

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and meuh's only real significant contribution to this game is 262 which feels like a scum post

so im happy with a page 15 solve of ari/meuh

I like Meuh/x as a solve. Not sure if Ari is the partner though

I'm tentatively ok with fading Meuh but I want to give it more time

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Elements why am I town

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Elements why am I town

Jupiter's reaction to the fake lim

Which is why you're only slightly above the rest
I can see Jupiter faking that

That's fair

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After reading the setup my first thought was to fade in the small hood because I liked the odds but fading in the big hood is definitely more intriguing

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I have more scumreads in the big hood so that makes it even more enticing

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After reading the setup my first thought was to fade in the small hood because I liked the odds but fading in the big hood is definitely more intriguing

it feels like a double edge sword, if we fade in the big group we can win, but we also only get assosiatives with 3 players? (kinda, not really but you get what I mean) But limmin in the small group we can get 6 assosiatives to look at ya know?

Yeah I see what you're saying. You've been pretty adamant about wanting to fade in the big group though. I'm kinda surprised to see you more on the fence about it now

Why did Meuh drop out of your townreads btw? I just noticed that

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Actually Meuh made a very similar point in our big hood thread about the associatives

Did ya'll talk about it in the scum PT too o.O

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Wait actually now that I'm reading over it again I think Meuh was arguing the opposite. I'm confused

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Yeah my eyes glaze over when I read stuff like that and I tend to not process it

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I'm null on most others but feel scum is in and around Dann/ Ari / Elements.

Can you give us more on why you think there's red team in the three of us?

Are you going to explain your logic in 382

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Fire is saying a lot of things that I agree with regarding Mafia theory and behavioral stuff

His stance on Meuh feels a little non-committal and almost like he's buttering her up or something?

I feel like the natural progression from 470 would be to either ask Meuh to link a scum game of hers or to seek one out. Instead he just theorizes for a bit and winds up with a pseudo-townread of her

I just feel kinda meh about it

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I think that makes sense. Being non-committal isn't scum indicative by itself but I think what made me feel meh was it came after Meuh and others started pushing you, like you were trying to appease them

Who do you think the big hood baddie is fire?

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VOTE: Meuh

e-1

I think there is some disconnect in her thought processes this game. 49 doesn't really mesh with 460 and I think a Ydra vote would make more sense considering Meuh's accusation in 452/453

I also think 363 doesn't really vibe with 439

I would rather fade her over fire

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We have like 5 days

I didn't say I wanted you faded right this instant

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I feel like it's best to not commit to killing in either hood and just treat the game fluidly

for now

, since that probably gives us the best info

Also this???? and the post I'm contradicting myself in is 4 days later?????

So you would rather fade in the big hood now?

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Cut the AtE crap holy moly

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I can post a bunch of question marks too?????????????

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This is over the top. Meuh has to go at some point. Obviously we don't need to rush it but I'm fine with my vote

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Pressuring me is probably good for the gamestate actually

What happened to this opinion Meuh? It feels like a fake thought considering your reaction here

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We have like 5 days

I didn't say I wanted you faded right this instant

Then don't put me on E-1???

I put you on e-1 specifically to see if your reaction matched what you said in 363, and you failed the vibe check miserably

This just makes me think you said it was good to pressure you in order to come across as really casual about being pushed. It seems like a LAMIST tactic in hindsight

I think this reaction makes a lot more sense coming from scum that knows being faded in the big group is probably just gg. As opposed to a townie that supposedly thinks being pressured is good for the game state

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Meuh going for Ydra in the way she did doesn't make sense as scum and scum imo, even if there was an absence of a vote.

Can you elaborate on this?

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Meuh going for Ydra in the way she did doesn't make sense as scum and scum imo, even if there was an absence of a vote.

Can you elaborate on this?

I just don't see why Meuh would make a paranoid half-push there if scum with Ydra. When Ydra flips red and Meuh has clearly tried to create justification for a push on Ydra but didn't follow through, isn't that just gonna be seen as super scummy on another look through of Day 1?

I guess it could be a distancing tactic but it kinda loses any potency on a Ydra flip so I don't think it's a good play if they are both evil.

This makes sense. I do think Meuh voting for Ydra would have been a better play if they are s/s

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Pressuring me is probably good for the gamestate actually

What happened to this opinion Meuh? It feels like a fake thought considering your reaction here

Pressuring me and killing me are not the same thing

There's no better pressure than putting someone at e-1

Like your argument against me feels uncharitable

If you are town then I'm sorry you feel this way

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49/460 is uncharitable and doesn’t consider my posts in hood

49 came after your post in the hood where you were suggesting fading in the big hood is better. To me that makes it seem like you reevaluated and decided it's probably not best to decide to fade in either hood and just yeet the scummiest person instead

Your point on 363 relied on one post that was a pretty clear joke but you didn’t read around it, but then you reiterated it cause you really liked your point there instead of actually reconsidering

Can you explain the joke and how 439 is involved?

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The bad of putting me at E-1 (and making my death possible) outweighs the good of the pressure there, I don’t think this is a particularly crazy idea

I disagree completely. I don't think anyone would dare fade you this early, and if they do and you flip town then that gives us something to work with. E-1 isn't as scary as you're making it out to be

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49/460 is uncharitable and doesn’t consider my posts in hood

49 came after your post in the hood where you were suggesting fading in the big hood is better. To me that makes it seem like you reevaluated and decided it's probably not best to decide to fade in either hood and just yeet the scummiest person instead

Your point on 363 relied on one post that was a pretty clear joke but you didn’t read around it, but then you reiterated it cause you really liked your point there instead of actually reconsidering

Can you explain the joke and how 439 is involved?

i had a dream that meuh said "sorry everyone but you can stop voting me, im not a deepwolf" and then i was gonna say "true, you're a shallow wolf" but then i thought that sounded mean so i didn't

Ok wow I totally missed this. My b

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Is there any other reason you scumread Dannflor? I don't think he's been on the site today

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lets say you're right though fire

who is the mafia in the big group then?

He went over this in 480

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I'm paranoid about Daisy too but why does she unvote in 526 instead of letting the whole Ari/Elements hammer thing play out if she's scum?

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Nice mindmeld

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Ari is either town or she's scum with Daisy imo

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Wow the fire wagon evaporated

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and i think if i were in that position i would be pretty wary about immediately after having my weakly supported vote contribute to a death, when there was the opportunity to unvote. i think that would draw a lot of eyes the following day

I just don't know agree with this. I think the eyes would be more drawn to players like me, Elements, and Ari for setting up the e-1 and then the hammer shenanigans. I don't think Daisy would have gotten any more attention than us three and I think it would have been safe for her to wait a bit

waiting a few minutes is possible but idk personally i think its almost worse to have town get hammered while lingering on a wagon that you don't really belong on (again, if there's no real threat)

I guess I can kinda see where you're coming from. Once people start looking over the wagon and why people voted there then maybe Daisy does get a little flak. I still think the majority of the scrutiny would fall on me/Elements and potentially Ari though. If I were scum in Daisy's shoes I would have pretended I wasn't here and let it play out

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ari, idk, feels like she’s scumreading me because she wants to or needs to take that position

like why does scum!me even want to or need to take a position where i'm pushing you

explain how that even makes sense for me to do

I don't really think you're scum but I don't understand this logic

A) pushing him allows you to say exactly this, "why would I do this as scum?"
B) you need to cast doubt on people in the big hood not named [insert your scum buddy's name here]
C) you are scum with Dannflor and this is some theatre to distance

Lowkey worried about C but I'm townreading you both individually so I think I can worry about that later

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I have a response but I think it might just be better for Dannflor to reply here instead of me trying to assume his thought process

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VOTE: Daisy

Lacking motivation but I'm ok poking here

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Elements you seem kinda eager to fade someone

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I didn't realize I was putting Daisy to e-1 there. I haven't really felt like playing today

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VOTE: Fire

Kinda just want to do this

I would be ok with an Elements or Ydra wagon too. Maybe Meuh but her AtE kinda turned me off from going there

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A change from Daisy to Fire feels odd considering their positions relative to each other

Ngl I've just been skimming stuff today so I don't know what you mean here. Can you go into it more?

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I do like how engaged and responsive Daisy feels here. It seems like she's being open with her thoughts

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Daisy can you link a scum game of yours

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I started a new job today so my activity during day time hours is going to plummet. I'll have to do all my catching up at night (central American time)

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I started a new job today so my activity during day time hours is going to plummet. I'll have to do all my catching up at night (central American time)

Hope the new job goes well

Thank you!!!

I'm on lunch break now but there isn't really much to talk about it seems

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I'm town, but sure fade me if you want. I don't really even have time for Mafia now

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Actually don't fade me. I have a better idea

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gg, well done taking over our slot shiki! And well played town!

I only have enough free time for one game at a time now and it felt like this game specifically required more time than I could give due to all the talented players involved