Open 904: DE Runs a Marathon Setup in the Open Queue [Completed]

[hellbooks]

TO DO LIST for this game: real edition: serious edition: 2024 edition

• make at least one post
  yipee
  
• make at least one post that is good
  
• make at least one post between 5 and 5:15 AM
  
• find a way to use an analogy from the "things to use as the tail end of an analogy" thread
  
• have a good time with everyone
  
• dont make anyone mad at me.... i bet youre mad at me already.... sorry.... just vote me.... whatever i dont even care anymore...
  
• evoke VP Baltar less than 10 times (2024 challenge impossible) (well that's one)
  
• make at least one post that is utterly groundbreakingly bad (2024 challenge extremely easy)
  
• call my mom
  
• refrain from talking about ongoing games with my mom
  
• refrain from talking about ongoing games with VP Baltar (oops i did it again)
  
• refrain from talking about VP Baltar in this ongoing game (crap thats three already)
  
• learn something about myself
  
• make a case against myself
  
• make a case for myself
  
• chainsaw someone really passionately
  
• make exactly six readslists
  
• refrain from breaking any site rules, no matter how much I WANT TO!!!! oooo i wanna break em so bad.... WHUH OH.... almost did it then.... just barely stopped myself
  
• eat a spoonful of mustard

hellbooks vows to complete every item on this list before the end of this game or risk being made an EXTREME SOCIAL PARIAH for failing to uphold one's word

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im also not gonna be here tomorrow (in a super bowl way) (im playing) (wish me luck guys) (HEUH) (thats the sound of me throwin a football)

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TACKLE: Brock Purdy

am i doing it right? this is my first time making football jokes and im not sure if im doing it right

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its important to not believe things sometimes; trust me ive been burned before

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readslist 1 of 6

[usesPython, JupiterXV, fireisredsir, JacksonVirgo, Roden, Black, tris, Dannflor]

phew! good work today everybody. wipes sweat from brow

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sorry everyone jjust trying to burn through all of my gags right now so i can be serious when the time comes (loosens scroll of gags, it unrolls until it hits the floor, bounces, continues to roll until it goes out of frame) uh oh

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VOTE: jupiter
doing this so that above VC becomes immediately out of date

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i love

being

mafia

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i have an idea lets make a time capsule as a celebration of our friendship
ok first let me take a picture
wow this polaroid is so wonderful, we're all smiling so brightly, our faces awash with sun, we all look so happy and pure...
aww look at all of these trinkets that represent unique aspects of our friendships! how very charming
lets put in DE's first votecount, terribly outdated as it is
here's a printout of jupiter getting that pagetop, can you believe theres only been 3 pagetops now? imagine how many there are ahead of us! let each of them be as joyful as this one
im gonna put in my first readslist! everyone was there together in the same bracket, unshakably, together as one
lets also put in black's thinking cap.... you can think without it right.... if not just dig it back up again we dont mind

wow! how wonderful is this? i sure hope nothing happens in the days ahead that gets in the way of this invaluable bond we share

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does anyone have anything else they'd like to add to the time capsule before we bury it on the hill under the big willow tree with the tire swing where we all first met and became lifelong friends

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wait let me take out this locket i have around my neck and look at the photo inside wistfully, shed a single tear, clutch it against my heart, and put it in the time capsule

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I just realized the "no small text" rule isn't actually a site rule that's crazy

ok thank god because that would have been an absolute problem regarding my to do list

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that is soooo frickin true tris hold on why are we even bothering with this lets just win right now HEAL: JV, Jupiter, Roden, Python, Black

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well do you have any better ideas????? i didnt even know you had to bribe the ref i have no clue what im doing here

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have you played with black before tris (i havnt im fairly sure)

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putting the unspoilered version in the time capsule !!!! wow this things getting hard to close !!!! But feel free to add other stuff in there everybody !!!!

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I have this extremely narcissistic idea that if tris was scum she would have come out the game voting me

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i'll say that i had the same thought in my mind (or at least have had like lots of thoughts about the assassin dynamic) and decided not to say it

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im voting for eliminating dannflor but i also am voting for him to be the assassin

Youre also voting for him to be in the time capsule!

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Who wants to sign up for being the resident Tris Suspecter for this game

not it

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jupiter what do you make of fires vote on you (asking in order to make thinfs inequitable once again)

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skitter's first two posts in coalition (she was my scum partner)

hello hello

hellbooks i promsie not to misread u this time

fire's first two posts in this game

hiiiiiiii

im going to try extremely hard not to read hellbooks' alignment off how much i enjoy reading her posts because that is proven to be wholly ineffective

Much to thin kabout

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ok im gonna go to a superbowl party now where a taylor swift fan will explain to me the rules of football

I had a blast tonight. I hope you did

sad day to be a bay area girlie

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the Dubious Process behind my thought: i am working under this impression that tris generally prefers to play a safe and measured game in which she doesnt spiral too deeply into 1v1 interactions and that this might go doubly so if she were to play as scum (but which i have never seen her do before, so perhaps it might even be less so) and it sprung to mind (like an oasis of mild interest in a general desert of personal thoughtlessness) that it was interesting that she would choose to vote black based on what seemed like a fairly concrete reason in comparison to this stage of the game, because my impression of black is that she is a rather scrutinizing player who is unafraid to get into the weeds and react to attempts to push her, but while this could plausibly be corroborated by python's followup on their vote on black (they said they would expect her to react with "grr this is a shitpush" or "what makes you say that"), i thought it would still be presumptuous to say something like that outright given that i have never played with black before, and didnt want to make judgments on two different people that could potentially be sour, so instead i just asked tris whether she had played with black before to see if any further followup on this thought could be gleaned, but then after a vague attempt of finding this game i quickly lost interest and instead just decided to expand on this idea for the public in a safer way by saying, essentially, that if tris were scum i'd think she would prefer to expend her vote on someone who will not get too suspicious at her for it, will not get indignant at getting voted, and in fact loves getting voted, and

in fact its wings are too small to get it

s fat little body off the ground. the bee, of cours

e, flies anyway because bees don't care what humans th

ink is impossible. Yellow, black. Yello

w, black. Yellow, black. Yellow, black. Ooh, blac

k and yellow! Let'

s shake it up

a little

i hardclaim mafia

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ok now back to more relavant matters
anyone else have anything for THA CAPSULE????
if not let us all stand around in a circle and hold hands. yes sorry mine are a bit cold. come here come here! we're all friends here!
now let us begin the burial ceremony.
wait a second ok now i see that we need to unhold hands so that someone can dig the hole. ummmm ok any volunteers? no? ok dannflor you're digging the hole. go on now! awesome! thank you for that. now we can just plop that in there. yup. ok now we can all just ummm i guess we can just nudge all the dirt back in with our feet and tamp it down. good job everyone! its in there now!

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i think that jupiter prefers to be town actually. im saying this so that black can cook again

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nope i am truly being ineffeciant with my time by cooking up new separate analogies of my own

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i think its beginning to become inequitable again .... tris can you answer all of these questions as well?

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one additional hidden to do list item im operating under is that ive been trying not to say swears this year (this is really just for fun) (and its really great to be reminded of how much fun you can freshly have with swears when you're not supposed to say them) (for example when the niners lost the super bowl i sprang up from the couch and was like "F*CK!" and then i was like "i CANT say that!!!" and that was kind of funny) (although i do recognize that i quoted python saying "shitpush" but that was a quote so it DOSNT COUNT)

this is all to say if there was every a time when i could have gained a townread through a perfectly timed swear just give me the credit for free as if i had done it!

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what a fuckin goated analogy I CANT SAY THAT

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v/la today guys sorry i gotta go watch lion dancing at the parade today

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i can feel you enjoying reading my posts so just as a reminder i thought id tell you to not let that affect how you see my alignment

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this is me eating my own breadcrumbs and restoring my alignment to its prior scummy state

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have you played with black before tris (i havnt im fairly sure)

I'm happy to finally be playing with you winnie

i forgot to repsond to this but im happy to be playing with you too lol!! yesterday i went out with my friends before the bowl and i tried on an umbreon headband from the store and i made my friend take a picture of me so i could sent it to you but i forgot to ask her to send the picture to m

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if only i hadn't voted early i could have been in the scum pt with dann and tris and hellbooks :<

bussing is extremely punishing in this setup

me in the PT: so here's what you're going to do

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funny? funny how? funny like im a clown, like i amuse you?

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would you like me to do conflict with you

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python going like "what is your favorite genre serious question" and then secretly hoping jupiter says horror as like a gotcha journalism method and then as soon as jupiter doesnt say horror instantly going like "aw darn i hoped you were gonna say horror" is kinda cool but i dont have much to say about it im just kind of like writing it down in class for lack of anything else to do knowing im not gonna study over it later

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ok well im kind of like the crown prince of overdoing it

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i dont actually have three sucm here

this sort of thing suggests like a process of creating a readslist thats "ok i have to come up with three scum and cant"
i hesitate to jump to any wild conclusion thats like "and so i think youre like forcing yourself to fabricate a readslist" (and in fact basically every reads list ive ever made has been the result of me feeling forced to make it) but anyway i think coming up with just one scum per day is kind of like more than enough to get the job done personally. and you seem to have done that and then decided to vote someone else (classically town action)

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dann probably flips scum hhere but we'll have to see

ok missed / instantly memory holed this post that kind of made what i said mostly wrong

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tris: you have to explain this thing
me: ok well i was afraid to explain it because it might be totally wrong
tris: it was wrong

the lesson learned is that if you keep your wrong assumptions to yourself they stay wrong forever

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what would you say is your alignment-related conclusion of this chain of thoughts

finding myself completely baffled by this question
have you literally ever asked me a question like this

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i guess my conclusion is that im gonna UNVOTE: and think more about it tomorrow

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so is this "townreading the people who scumread us" like an endemic problem because i definitely also felt like a frisson of understanding about it

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if only i hadn't voted early i could have been in the scum pt with dann and tris and hellbooks :<

white noise is extremely punishing in this setup

me in the PT: so here's what you're going to do

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shoutout to python for being the omgus enjoyer to bring balance that this game needed

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i dont need to react to the pressure. You see, even as we speak your scum read on me is slipping into the memory hole. Your recollection of my posts grows fuzzy at the edges. Hellbooks? Who is that? by sunrise you'll forget that you have ever met me at all. Im like those monsters that mess with your mind that people write fictional scary science reports about on the internet. I am.... The Unscumreadable Guy

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if that didnt goad you into scumreading me until i die ill just VOTE: roden for good measure

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Do you think I'm scum

i at least think that your scumread reminded me a lot of people who scumread me and turned out to be scum

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ok so the truth of the matter is that your scumread reminded me of a single person who scumread me and turned out to be scum

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it reminded me of the status quo

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Probably gonna be in absentia tmrw which likely means you get to read some typo ridden posts from my phone

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JacksonVirgo (2): JupiterXV, tris

can one of your vote black at least until the next votecount to create a perfect 1 to 1 voting art installation pleeeaaase pretty please just for the sake of the art and then i'll vote whoever you ask me to after that

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darn i wanted to scumread hellbooks

you only wanted that cuz then ill townread you i bet

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^ let it be known that i made that post before reading about dannflors trisbooks theory so at least this time for once im not doing my "being cheeky towards proposed scumpartners with hellbooks" thing . for once

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reading jupiters sig and thinking about how epicly consonantous the word 'twelfth" is

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iw onder if fire is still scumreading me
its february twelfth and the year is 2078 and fire is still scumreading me

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if you need black's thinking cap you can go to the big willow tree and dig it up; alternatively if you need tris's brain unscrambler im sure she would be happy to lend one to you if you ask her in the pt that you share

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eat a spoonful of mustard

Can we get in a discord call when you do this?

Also who do you scumread?

i think that would be a slight flaunting of the ongoing game rules given that this is kind of like a task that i specifically tied to this game
i was imagining that i'd upload a youtube video of me doing it. uploading youtube videos has been something people have done in the past and surprisingly i don't remember it being a "rules problem" DESPITE the fact that a youtube video is actually editable text and APPARENTLY youre not supposed to link to editable text in a game such as a google doc which i got in SLIGHT TROUBLE for dooing one time
but i think ill get aroudn this by like posting the raw text of the youtube title and description and things like that and im sure the mod will be fine with it

right? mod you'll be fine with it?

as for who i scum read. good question. here are some various ideas in rapidly decreasing order

roden -> scum with the understanding that there is obvious potential to reverse this read with more posting.... not to pressure you but...
jupter -> unsure, thought was scum at times but got swayed by personality discourse and general liking of posts but still kind of supicious that jupiter is weaponizing transparency in the way that i do extremely shamelessly as scum. Source: other game
dannflor -> so i have been timidly and secretly thinking of him as the guy i would like to lim on d2 if it truly becomes assassin time . but i think common sense dictates that the whole "plausible deepwolfs who would also be a good assassin" is kind of like a really riskly and unpalatable angle. i think its gonna be hard to get ppl to agree to that type of thinking is what i mean. like i think everyone would be like "you are so stupid. we are gonna vote for the scummiest guy on D2 just like normal because we want to hit scum. and the assassin thing is just gonna be an edge case". none the less that is how i have been thinking of him
tris and fire is red sir -> we've gone through a whole lot together them and i. ive only ever seen them as town. they seem to be doing a good job of seeming the way that ive seen them. however, i dont see myself seriously townreading them until a day phase or more has passed. perhaps by that point i will be Dead. they probably feel the same way about me too. doubly so because they actually have seen me be scum so they know that i am capable of fostering evil in my heart. for fire it may even take decades. 5 of them to be exact. and maybe 4 years on top of that.

now for crucial Documentation Purposes, this was not a Reads List.

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ok fine, heres a Reads list
readslist 2 of 6

[usesPython, JupiterXV, fireisredsir, JacksonVirgo, Roden, Black, tris, Dannflor]

note that the town-to-scum range of this bracket is higher than it was in the first readslist.

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this is extremely conf biasy of me but the timing of tris moving off of hellbooks right after roden and I brought her wagon up to 3 votes plus the idea I have that scum would want to distance/interact early in this setup but be wary of hard bussing makes me think tris/hellbooks have some genuine scum equity together

i guess i'll just toss in this fact which is that i believe tris was the person who brought my wagon up to 3 votes originally
uh oh... chainsaw alert...

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oh jupiter has 128 posts

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you are correct

"townreading the people who tell us that we're correct" new endemic problem just dropped

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Probably gonna be in absentia tmrw which likely means you get to read some typo ridden posts from my phone

proceeds to have my most postacious day

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sure would be a shame if i got nightkilled before i could post the mustard video wouldnt it..... sure would be a big blow to town morale i bet....

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this monumental moment has to be preserved for future generations i wish there were some way to do that.... hm..... dannflor sorry but can i ask you to dig a second hole

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i am always making famous posts that enter the cultural discourse i cant help it... the most polarizing figure of our time

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well tris i am at your beck and call unless you would like to free me from my proverbial lamp

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VOTE: python i dont think ive ever explicitly promised my vote to someone else and it turns out it doesnt feel that amazing to do so and i probably wouldnt be able to stomach doing so for very long guilt-free

which is actually rather exciting because it means that i get to experience something that i didnt actually think about which is completing a to do list item by accident

learn something about myself

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I might not be super active for the next couple lf days due to busy.... ofc this type of disclaimer has been a precursor to some of my best work in the past which is why i am making it

Hey clown! Jester you have done it once again. Constantly raising the bar at the circus and doing it foolishly

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UNVOTE:

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jupiter is weaponizing transparency

what does this mean

ive like been seeing you do a visible thought process and not having it be too constructed or neatly packaged youre kind of throwing stuff out there in like a really natural way and not being afraid to go like "idk about dannflor. no maybe dannflor is scum. vote: dannflor" which im not convinced is as hard or problematic to do as scum as maybe people think

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Black, Dann, towncase us (actually an open offer for anyone but don't tell tris)

This is taking too long, we'll do it ourselves.

what do people think about this

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i guess i always find this pure undisguised reactivity towny

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jacksonvirgo is weaponizing opacity

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the way that sheepsaysmeep made one post talking about the concept of "threadspew" and established a permanent and fundamental idea in my mafia game playing process

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from that post one might imagine python being at E-2 and pacing back and forth stormily waiting for the towncase and when none came they were like "we have be the one to advocate for ourselves lets just do it we just have to get it out there" and that would be a thing that i think would be very obvious for scum to want to conceal at least a little bit

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oh no

this is like the kind of Evil Trick that im surprised doesnt happen on this site for how much i think of doing it literally all the time and im sorry i had to be the one to do it. it was taking to long so i had to do it

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ok now that i look at it that post was supposed to be like "i miss sheepsaysmeep too" and then the evil trick to draw attention to that and i think somehow i forgot to make that clear and instead it kind of comes across like "look at this thing fireisredsir said" which definitely wasnt the intention. Sorry now i see why people dont do that. im not gonna do that any more

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i quoted a schadd post for germane reasons in coal and that ended up pulling him into the orbit of that game and that was definitely a moment of self consciouenceness for me

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make at least one post that is utterly groundbreakingly bad (2024 challenge extremely easy)

[hellbooks]

TO DO LIST for this game: real edition: serious edition: 2024 edition

• make at least one post
  
  
• make at least one post that is good
  
• make at least one post between 5 and 5:15 AM
  
• find a way to use an analogy from the "things to use as the tail end of an analogy" thread
  
• have a good time with everyone
  
• dont make anyone mad at me.... i bet youre mad at me already.... sorry.... just vote me.... whatever i dont even care anymore...
  
• evoke VP Baltar less than 10 times (2024 challenge impossible)
  
• make at least one post that is utterly groundbreakingly bad (2024 challenge extremely easy)
  
  
• call my mom
  
• refrain from talking about ongoing games with my mom
  
• refrain from talking about ongoing games with VP Baltar
  
• refrain from talking about VP Baltar in this ongoing game
  
• learn something about myself
  
  
• make a case against myself
  
• make a case for myself
  
• chainsaw someone really passionately
  
• make exactly six readslists
  
• refrain from breaking any site rules, no matter how much I WANT TO!!!! oooo i wanna break em so bad.... WHUH OH.... almost did it then.... just barely stopped myself
  
• eat a spoonful of mustard

[hellbooks]

note that this marks the fourth, fifth, sixth, and now seventh mentions of VP Baltar.

also check this thing out that i just discovered

• test
  
• test

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uh oh
i didnt mean for it to happen like that

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i will be scrutinizing the ice cream sandwiches for any indication of alignment. share if you dare

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now these are some towny oreos right here

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i feel like everyone has townread black without giving much reason lol

trying to stop the threadspew.... dont think i didnt notice

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Devastating sharks loss today
Lets think about making that 5 am post tomorrow

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Given the time i got home this seems like a bad day to commit to this idea

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good morning. i set an alarm for 5 am and when i woke up i was like hmmm lets lie here for a bit and then i blinked and it was 5:33 brilliantly so i was like ok lets just get 1 more hour of full sleep before i have to get up again and feed my friends cats

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i feel like everyone has townread black without giving much reason lol

Black's still town

towny post tbh

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i've made it incredibly clear that post 33 is explicitly a reference to the song rolling girl by wowaka

i think ive been scumread before for References
people dont understand that the chief pursuit of posting is self-amusement mafiascum is full of stoicists

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the way i just evilly didnt read JV's wall
i'll read it i promise

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and then i'll read marcus aurelius to appease the rest of you

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remember when posting 7 times in a row was like a glaring impropriety that only like 2 or 3 people did and received like so much scorn from the mafiascum stoicists.... lets all just take a moment to apologize and reflect on how we are unable to recognize those who are ahead of their time

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i dont know you're just putting up such an unreadable barrier by prewriting a bunch of polished essays and then putting them into the thread

new playstyle: guy who makes one pulitzer-caliber post per day phase
not to do the most ridiculous name drop of all time but i was scum with petroleumjelly at a meet once and his strategy was to sit there, stately and without a single word, until elo when he broke his vow of silence and won effortlessly

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thread spew

thank you for including the space in order to divorce it from the lexical context contained in the word "threadspew" and therefore rendering that post unsearchable to linguistic scholars who wish to track its evolution in site use. in this game we respect the purity of data

can you tell i got like 3 hours of sleep

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Devastating sharks loss today

they were 3-3 in the third with 12 seconds left when they got scored on
<mafiascum stoicists look at me with faces of puzzlement>
um... it was looking like the sharks were gonna make it to elo until they got flashwagoned at the deadline crunch
<mafiascum stoicists

ohhhh

in understanding>

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I hated how complex their presence was (for lack of a better word) for how little that was actually said

im probably rubbing against the lack of a better word here but does this mean that you think that i was trying to seem like i was playing the game without advancing a town solving agenda because i think that when im not playing the game im doing it openly and honestly

here is where i refrain from clicking the submit button in order for game readability and sorry for posting too much

it seems like fire and dann have been dancing aroudn this idea that dannflor can detect fire's alignment through some sort of lienguistics given enough posts which is equal parts funny and silly and scary . i remember thinking that it was plausible scum theatre but now i dont think that. maybe its something else tho. either way i wouldnt be apposed to it. will await to be pulled out of my descent into solipsism by real social ingame interactions on that note good morning tris

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VOTE: jacksonvirgo let me just fill in for you tris

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me praying i had the right reaction to the reaction test

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ah i had an untimely fit of getting very sleepy

SO REAL bestie this was me at 5:02 AM

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Kinda expected us to have more scumreads in a 3(!) mafia game, makes me feels like most of the team is some combo of deepwolf/lurker

Out there read: people only really having like 1-2 scumreads instead of more makes Roden >rand scum

hmm i am reading into this as a slightly altered reanimation of this earlier thought in a way that feels extremely organic and good - like you came to a similar-ish conclusion through some natural consistency of thought process

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dannflor has been going on a streak of thoughts that have been cuttingly reasonable

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im gonna claim python as my top townread at the moment
i am going to guess that exactly one of dannflor and fire and jupiter is scum and leave that for now as like the Ultimate Endgame Problem
i am going to guess that exactly two of tris and black and roden and jackson virgo are scum
you could say that these correspond to tiers of a list that exists ONLY IN THEORY

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Theres this scumhunting tactic that seems to be in vogue in my experience which is when someone says "this seems like something someone who already knows X is Town would say" I think fire said it in coal or maybe it was someone else such as tris. since then I think I have been like making vague connections between posts and that idea without any sort of real confidence or knowledge of how accurate it is

such as when Dannflor was like "if hellbooks is town then someone such as roden or jackson virgo is more likely to be scum pushing a silly easy fakeread on her"

i was like "well this conclusion could much more easily come to someone who knows i am town rather than someone who sees me as this perennially suspicious character than indeed most people eventually come around to suspecting at some point in their lives"

but i found what dannflor said to be a true thing as well. Like I didnt disagree with it. and you can in fact see that reflected in my voting record. But I thought that not just because of the overarching strategic ideas behind scum wanting to push limbait clowns but because I guess I found their reads on me to be rather incurious (but maybe that's also influencing dannflor and he just took it as a given as to why he's singling out those two people) and also because there is a clear difference between me and a town aligned dannflor in how confident they are in whether or not I'm town

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i think i might have been literally the very last person to get a page top in this game and i pressed the right arrow button a ton of times to see about that. excepting alianna who got an awesome page bottom singularly

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of course you are instantly correct

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in fact i only pulled out all that garbage nonsense to elicit yet another perfect response from you

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I did it!!!!!

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I think Dann is just scum. He often flaunts being so good at reading me but here his read feels really bad and forced, especially the vote

Fhe cats woke me up. Didnt even set an alarm. I didnt even want to be awake at this awful time. Anyway my dann style hypothesis is that if youre town then tris is the scum pushing you

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yesterday one cat stole the others food in the morning (no names bc i dont wanna dox them without permission) and then the other cat stole the first cat's food in the night and i was like great whats gonna happen this time but they seem to have settled on a Solution of Mutual Stealing

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I think Dann is just scum. He often flaunts being so good at reading me but here his read feels really bad and forced, especially the vote

Fhe cats woke me up. Didnt even set an alarm. I didnt even want to be awake at this awful time. Anyway my dann style hypothesis is that if youre town then tris is the scum pushing you

Why?

well they like barged into the bed and started scampering around of course im gonna wake up

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sorry. that was a jouke. i was hoping to get this post out immediately after i made the joke about the cats but it turns out that it just took long.

ummmm idk why. i dont find dannflors read particularly convinced bc i think there are many reasons why someone might be less passionate or outspoken in a game and i guess there wasn't any scum game of yours that dannflor presented in contrast to your "typical town play" but i didnt think it was forced, i thought it still matched with the general Meta Enjoying ethos of his where he makes interesting observations about other games and comes up with ideas based on that. i also had this random thing where tris describing you "sinking" in her reads scumped me (obviously this is such a minor thing and could even just be me like concocting ridiculous 1 in a 100 chance scenarios) but it felt like a language softening choice in order to risk less of you being retalitory towards her after you calle dannflors read progression bad

wow it took me like 10 tries to remember how to spell the word fiery WHY is it spelled like that i was like FIREY? FIRY? WHAT IS HAPPENING . thats not why the post took long though.

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anything else you want me to make an observation about bc i am evidently an observations machine while im locked up in the cat thunderdome for 16 hours a day and the observation pipelines is getting shut off when i go back to work tomorrow bc i have to go make observations scumreading real life pollution pipelines and it might go right back to 24 hour joke channel in here

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i am also evidently a pagetops machine

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16 hours of awakeness is a grose underestimation of my time spent awake per day in the cat thunderdome

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i have felt like tris is towny but i like this as an observation

did you like how i said scumped bc i did that For Yeou

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a question though, why are you voting jv? @hellb

umm idk
i could vote you instead if youd like...

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Maybe tris expressing a townread on me and then asking me why im voting JV is an attempt at saving a partner targeting someone who looks like theyre voting him for more tenuous reasons but I feel like thats continuing a streak of uncharitable readings of her actions (see: the infamous "sinking" conjecture that upon her simple denial i kind of felt obligated to abandon)

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I went for a ten minute walk and instantly got biblically rained on

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the original reason was bc of the thing he said about me and then i guess i just found myself agreeing with various opinions about the w#.'
] <- sorry that was one of the cats
wall posting whichi think mostly came from dann (like i definitely felt convinced about the feeling obligated to make a big equalizing wall in response to mounting pressure because of you know points to big wall i made in response to mounting pressure in coaly)23 <- sorry that was the cat again. they are at peak playfullness because they just had their big naps

um what was i saying. yea but i guess i felt somewhat unsure about continuing to think that about the wall stuff given that i guess the way people can react in response to disengagement or loss of motivation can be fairly individual and personality dependant. but i also think theres like an unusual amount of resistance to the idea of wagoning JV and not in the way that i would expect like theres no one being like "well JV is limbait, low info lim, blah blah" active defending stuff but i guess OH MY GOD the cats were about to eating my food SORRY im back jaysus

uh yea but it feels like the defenses of him are more timid or just like maybe people avoiding having him be a top consideration.
maybe thats just because hes just like supper nully to the body of people who think that there are better lims elsewhere so they dont find much reason to say anything other than push their own better ideas but yea idk. just feels like a good target.id be interested to hear what concern you have about JV being a consideration then. since youre town and al. also im happy to wait until we have roden replacement who could be ultimate game solver poppy though. there i cant bee too different from coal can i? i talked about poppy again. im also generally fine with limming honestly anyone except for python and uhh ive concluded that i do not want to lim dann

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SORRY ummmmm CRAP is that a rules violation??? I promised not to break any of those

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Pagetop

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Dang! Missed it by a mile

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hellbooks's illegally playing in a hydra with the cats

there is so much hydra dissonance with these cats

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i think the thought that really solidified itself after the last page is that if dannflor is scum then he would literally have to be soooooooo freaking good at it (or maybe just specifically is super effective against the hellbooks type) (i guess black kind of also noticed that his logic seemed good) and the phrase "deepwolf dannflor" that fire said in RVS kind of echoed in my head bc of its pleasing alliteration and maybe that alludes to this known scum proficiency he has bc it seems like everyone has played with him before and is like constantly being suspicious of his Known Wisdom

but i also cursorily chekced the scummy noms and didnt see him nomed for the godfather evil award which i guess might not be a perfect indicator anyway

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maybe fire is trying extremely hard not to read dannflor's alignment based off of how wise his posts are because that has proven to be wholly ineffective

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Spoiler: spoilers for the good place

the way that i would have instantly figured out that it was the bad place in 10 seconds after i couldnt say swears (didnt actually finish the show so maybe they made this joke already and i didnt see it)

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a good idea for a mafia saw trap would be to hide your most brilliant game thoughts inside the spoilers to culturally relevant shows. hope you watched it everyone!

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hellbooks after calling the good place "culturally relevant": and so, i have revealed myself as one of the "boomers"

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hi

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hence this

hellbooks after calling the good place "culturally relevant": and so, i have revealed myself as one of the "boomers"

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The Catsitting is over. I cried when I said goodbye. Even though i could very easily pop over and say hi whenever i want to (in fact I permanently have the spare key for this apartment and was already doing that). I was named the godmother of one of the cats.

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GOOD POST ZONE!

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note for future iso divers!!!!! THIS POST MARKS THE END OF THE CATSITTING ARC
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BAD POST ZONE!

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uhhh my thoughts scum? Yea idk. ummm whatever ill just vote whoever. You can vote me . Its fine

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i think scumreading the person you replaced in your catchup is like a 2008-era classic scumtell that has a name but i dont remember it does anyone remember what im talking about

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maybe im completely making that up but i could have sworn

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amished tell
I did it yippee hooray for search bar hooray for investigative journo
now i lay me down to rest

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(once again i have revealed myself to be one of the mafia scum boomers)

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i'm on page 32 going to make some food, so far I think this in order feel free to ask questions I can answer and catch up while I eat.

FACT: 90% of mafia readers quit right before they hit the catsitting arc

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do you think roden not knowing makes him towny or just someone who didn't read the setup info?

whats happening here

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it seemed like you're finding this scenario in which your predecessor could possibly have townslipped and trying to get other people to maybe get to that conclusion too

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and if thats not the case then i return to not knowing what was happening with that post

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ok
that response really rattled me
um
got it

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i really think its strange that you come in and your entire scumsolving persepctive is centralized around the same person as your predecessor's

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ok
that response really rattled me
um
got it

why did it rattle you?

bc i was thinking "hmm... yes... what a scummy thing to do..." and then you were like. "yea i did that. is there a problem?" and that kind of strongly implied to me that it was supposed to be obvious that doing something like that should be totally normal and fine and so i thought about it and maybe idk it was coming from some internalized and overly uncharitable view on blatant self-advocacy

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my suspicion of hellbooks dropped off at some undefined point

hmm same... some undefinable point but for some reason i keep thinking of the numbers 3... 7..... and 6? im not sure what they mean

going back and looking at what post that was legitimately floored me

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Is it still scummy and i just outweighed it through sheer force of will

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Or do you no longer find it scummy

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ok i think PC is maybe town and barring that i at least want to play every future game with them

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WHAT

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Bage top

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I townread political clout

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maybe even more than anyone

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no i cant say that
still gotta process the weird python stuff from them and fire
and by process i mean actually read it

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i think i tentatively agree with PC that the gamestate is not in a good place right now

and i feel like python has been the one who has felt the most like their actions are done with the motivation of shaping the gamestate/influencing people rather than solving

so my first thought about this is that i thought it was really strange that this is like the strongest reason you have to vote somebody at this stage of the game after everything but i think maybe thats town indicative, like maybe you did kind of a mental reset in response to feeling weird about the game state

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now they switch to defending tris based on an exclamation mark. fair enough I guess.

(exclamation points so i will be townread)

PLEASE JUST ENGAGE WITH BALTAR!!!!!!!!!!!

ok but i ask the jury: is this not a towny amount of exclamation marks

sorry just connecting strings to an old game for my own amusement

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i think the post itself isn't especially scummy it was more that it was what you chose to post instead of other things. and it sort of felt like there could be an inability to post other things, as opposed to a willful choosing, in an adam-sandler-grinning-pfp sort of way, not to post things

i missed this post until now and felt it cut me to the core

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ive been kind of feeling that or at least feeling that the last few pages have had a dizzying density of thought and event

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it took me a while to understand that post but if i am understanding correctly, you are saying that that post was kind of like a reaction test attempt to pressure reads out from PC if town / make them think their lim was imminent and clam up if scum

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um
jesus
did anyone realize that deadline is in like an hour and a half
cuz i sure didnt

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no its not i was looking at old first page vote count
its in 12 hours
thats still like very little time given that i and probably other people intend to spend over half of that being asleep

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see yo uat 5 AM tris

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me excitedly running towards page 4 to see what magical mystery sauce i inserted into it

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UNVOTE: see yall tomorrow
what a day

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yea i made the exact kind of deadline mistake like 4 hours ago myself

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you are currently on an awesome combo sstreak of having me laugh at every one of your posts

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Sudden worry of repeating history.

this line is made even funnier when taking into account that a few hours ago i also thought the deadline is shorter than it actually was, and fire was like "oh crap", and then python had to come in with the correct information

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i dont think ranger has particularly moved the needle in one way or another yet

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sorry what did i do
what should i be doing
i dont understand
did i do a bad job

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VOTE: Ranger

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the twists are endless

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what

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so what now
what happens now
do the scum all walk out of the shadows and give me a medal for best guy

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i thought that my unvote on ranger was su[pposed to be the load bearing thing that was calcifying the gamestate in despair but when i revoted nothing changed

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hellbooks do you have opinions to share

i still think python is towny
even though i do agree that theyre playing survivalistically and saying a lot of things about setup and wagon theory and game state that i either dont agree with or understand
it feels like both you and fire are taking it as a given that thats a bad thing and worthy of primary focus / debunking (maybe it is, esp. the latter) which i dont agree with although i do think that is also seeming to be your styles
but its like idk it kind of seemed like python playing survivalistically is like me running up against that thing again where PC was like "well yea. so what if i am" and me being like well yea i guess youre allowed to

although now that i think about it. i do think it is somewhat concerning that theyre kind of not really commiting to finding strong reads and just kind of just gestured at this amorphous disclaimed lim pool and then saying that they havent had the capacity to revisit it because theyve been too busy battling all the haters. which i guess yea fair. but esp given that they obviously take stock in the idea of "anti-spew" when it comes to scum wagons. and like even when they are saying who they want to lim its kind of like stated as "well who is limmable who is not me" which seems like further muddying the information equity of reads

i could vote tris as compromise as they said

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what would satisfy you what kind of post should I be making where does enough end for me when is it enough will it ever be enough?

That's the issue I have with you. You are focused on "what would satisfy". It feels like what you have done has been efforts to satisfy, rather than efforts to solve.

I think out of any player in this game. the person you are saying this is about is the person that it is least true for

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but to be clear thats a recent thing and you werent townreading ranger when you were talking about "if ranger is scum she's unlimmable"?

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what would satisfy you what kind of post should I be making where does enough end for me when is it enough will it ever be enough?

That's the issue I have with you. You are focused on "what would satisfy". It feels like what you have done has been efforts to satisfy, rather than efforts to solve.

I think out of any player in this game. the person you are saying this is about is the person that it is least true for

How so?

i think they chose to notice strikingly creative things about the game and also were really quick to get in the weeds of like expressing reads and saying detailed stuff that could get pushback

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i guess thats all beleivable stuff coming from a good scum player replacing into a slot with a weak initial presence but yea definitely dont agree with at least the "playing to satisfy" assessment

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1334 and the python stuff and like trying to dissect the fire / dann relationship

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well thats one way to beat the survivalist allegations

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1352 and 1509
honestly this is not my biggest priority right now... like its not like PC is my lock town or anything i just disagreed with the exact point you made about them to the extent that i thought it worthmentoning

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im starting to wonder about limming jupiter or fireisredsir

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advancing insane jup/dann/fire theory in order to see that they went wild about this post in the pt in postgame

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two slots ive definitely underscrutinized
i think that in a ranger and python town world scum has so much room to make Money Moves and coast the wagons to the station
although thats def unfair to say about jupiter bc theyve been gone

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ok so dann doesnt even care about my Awesome Idea of him and his townreads all being scum he doesnt believe in it at all

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make sure sheepsaysmeep gets to post on this page

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i think the two replacements were big distractions for me

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handshakes handshakes put er there pal

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will be here later tonight after tons of tasks

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i think there are plenty of reasons why 1795 isnt convincing

i think jup's post re the black post they like was something id maybe pop in and do as scum given limited time (like just focus on something very minor that catches my interest so its easier to get thoughts out about it)

i think tris has said some pretty towny things in the past few pages

im guessing ranger moved me down bc i defended PC

these are rly just one second thoughts i kind of got swamped with a work emergency and will have to wake up early too (god i have gotten so little sleep for so long) so ill also be here 2 or 3 hours before deadline

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my thoughts before the Tragically Abridged Sleep Arc are that id vote python before PC, and anyone over python except for tris

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my thoughts before the Tragically Abridged Sleep Arc are that id vote python before PC, and anyone over python except for tris

What do you think about all of your top townreads being wagoned?

i guess its funny and also makes me think im bad at game
i think i will vote tris over you
im also hoping that with the high level of fluidity over the last day that there will be a ton to work with

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i feel like were collectively trying to order a pizza and everyone has different topping choices

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no iLl vtoe python over tris SORRY

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i rly just had to go back and see how many posts tris has made in the last day that seem so real and so accurate to the way i expect her to act as town