Open 901 - Normal Idea Mafia Redux - Postgame

[SirCakez]

black, we meet again.
also, i'll just VOTE: roden
consider this not serious.
k, i'm going to regret this.
unless drew and aureal want it, i'm not going to crumb.
pls tell me if u want me to sign with my username instead.
c u, not a crumb.
~o
(pls, i hope i don't regret this.)

VOTE: argonauts
this post reads really overthought and self-conscious

[SirCakez]

Oops should have already said this
I'm an ascetic miller LOL

[SirCakez]

Argonauts still look scummy, none of their newer posts have felt townie to me ever since the early awkwardness

[SirCakez]

Oops should have already said this
I'm an ascetic miller LOL

Well OF COURSE you had to get that role, ugh

Orpheus's crumbing was only half-serious. We're backup miller

-Atalanta

ok well this is probably town

[SirCakez]

1.06

Votecount 1.06

SirCakez (5): Skygazer, lucca261, Not_Mafia, Argonauts, Save The Dragons
Argonauts (3): SirCakez, Invisibility, Roden
Mucho Man Randy Passion (2): Black, JacksonVirgo
Black (2): shaddowez, Jake The Wolfie
shaddowez (1): Mucho Man Randy Passion

Not Voting (1): Hu Tao

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution or 7 votes to secure a no-execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-21 20:03:19).

glad we are getting the traditional day one Cakez wagon day one out of the way so early

[SirCakez]

Anyone have a really strong read so far?

Not really strong but asides from Argonauts I have gotten some town scumhunting vibes from JV, Jake and Mucho Man

[SirCakez]

I kinda feel like there's some solving going on underneath Mucho Man's gimmick. This slot feels hard to read but they might be town

I don't really have any scumreads yet so I'll just help out on another wagon

VOTE: shaddow

Why the shaddowez wagon of the options?

[SirCakez]

Not_Mafia should definitely roll with a John Cena gimmick this game

[SirCakez]

[...]
Jake, I love your sense of humor......I want to say you are posting just to post, but I also am not too familiar with your style(and I enjoy a good shit poster so who am I to judge).
[...]
-Asclepius

If you were trying to read me based off of previous performance, you would have had my head. This game is more atypical as I try playing Mafia again.

I am (mostly) posting just to post, as the group of people I want to talk with happen to be the same group of people who aren't here to talk. To ramble a bit; I'm waiting on some of the low-posters to pick up the slack and have some more thread presence. While I ~could~ try conversing with the high presence peeps, they already have a pretty firm grip on the game and have probably already answered any questions I would have in their posts.

I forgot just how

slooooooooow

this site's games can be.

You seem very restless

what does this mean reads-wise? or is it just a comment

[SirCakez]

VOTE: skygazer
not a fan of how you've started this game

[SirCakez]

not mafia is kinda like a force of nature you can analyze him and try to play around him but he just exists and lol hammers and we can't do anything about it. idk how to actually read the guy.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Skygazer

wrong

skygazer is legitimately scummy here y'all should get on this wagon

[SirCakez]

Yeah I think sky feels townie here

I disagree these posts feel incredibly forced and mild

[SirCakez]

Save the Dragons is a good vote too
Shaddowez made some decent posts on page 18, enough for me to not be interested in that wagon anymore

[SirCakez]

not mafia is kinda like a force of nature you can analyze him and try to play around him but he just exists and lol hammers and we can't do anything about it. idk how to actually read the guy.

Then why not vote him day 1 and get info? If he's scum it's going to be interesting to see who was on the wagon and what people soft defended him

People propose this every game and it never actually happens. You can also infer stuff about NM's alignment as time goes on and you get more information and can see how flipped scum have played around him

[SirCakez]

VOTE: invisiblity
Still not a fan of Skygazer but this wagon seems more viable. I don't really want to eliminate Argonauts - their claim + their posting today seemed town and I don't like that they've been basically the only sticky wagon all day.

[SirCakez]

I'm also suspicious of Hu Tao. They have done very little today except for push Not Mafia which is not exactly giving me town vibes.

[SirCakez]

Damn, sucks that NM was town

[SirCakez]

Consider my vote on Jacob, don't want to get too close to hammer

[SirCakez]

Why would JV have been role blocked?

[SirCakez]

yeah, true. I was thinking about it from the perspective of what role are they trying to stop, but if you're looking at day play and they just picked somebody it could have happened

[SirCakez]

Yea Jacob if there's a guilty on you, you basically have to be flipped no matter what, so I do feel bad on the like 5% chance here you are town
and honestly if you're scum I feel bad too bc been there before and it sucks LOL

[SirCakez]

I'm honestly fine to roll through today and keep moving, but I know some people still want to talk

[SirCakez]

intent to hammer?

[SirCakez]

Skygazer remains suspicious to me
I just haven't felt really a town spark from any posts and it's been a while now

[SirCakez]

I don't know I feel meh about so many people in this game

[SirCakez]

JV I don't think you need to defend yourself here lol
Unless Jacob flips town but we can cross that bridge tomorrow

[SirCakez]

I'm ready to get Jacob out of here and move on

[SirCakez]

I will be here later or tomorrow, I've been very busy the last few days

[SirCakez]

so hey Cakez when you come back to the thread wanna explain why you fake claimed miller of all things

thanks!

He fake claimed it?

during N1 I was re-reading the game and realized Cakez had claimed ascetic miller

the only ascetic miller role on this game is a two-shot vig which is why I was waiting for him to come back into the thread D2 because could've killed Not_Mafia and would explain a lot about Jacob's actions
but I find unlikely that there is a vig in this game especially an ascetic one

wasn't going to say anything but he's lurking very heavily and people are believing his claim so it's time to at least comeback into the thread

FFS yes I am the ascetic miller two shot vig, I killed NM and holstered last night

[SirCakez]

So idk what the SK has been doing

[SirCakez]

I wish I was the SK lmao that role is fun AF I just feel stressy with this bc I don't feel good about shooting anyone rn, thus my holster. NM I shot because it's NM lmao

[SirCakez]

now time to actually read..

[SirCakez]

ok but I can confirm this very easily tonight lol
fake claiming vig as SK in a setup with a CONFIRMED SK? that would be moronic

[SirCakez]

I targeted them last night and it failed. I am not holding much weight to the result for obvious reasons (but the fact that it's 3.5% chance of a role that can do this actually hurts if true). Black caught reluctant behaviour from Cakez that I haven't been able to drop from my mind, especially given a green flip I have a creeping feeling it's because they knew it was going to flip green and was reluctant because of it. I checked them in the off case that I could confirm them and push me into a different direction, but for right now I'm wanting to push this.

I had a weird vibe I can't rlly explain about the whole Jacob thing, idk if you're scum or there was some kind of roleblock. I knew we had to push it through but idk

[SirCakez]

Because you being wrong doesn't make you 100% scum and I don't want to kill off a town pr

[SirCakez]

This thing with Cakez is either very obvious he's evil or a huge ass coincidence that's incredibly unfortunate for Cakez.

Story of my life lmao

[SirCakez]

VOTE: skygazer
Nothing she posts make me think she's town, I'd also vote Black rn because it feels like she's playing at a scum level of engagement with the game rn

[SirCakez]

Why did you shoot NM

Because it's NM lol, dude is a coin flip 90% of the time and scum are never going to kill him

[SirCakez]

Jake/StD/Argonauts feel town enough for now
JV I am incredibly conflicted on

[SirCakez]

I didn't feel confident about it and wanted more info, that's it. I don't understand why people think Vig needs to dump all their shots immediately, I guess if you think you're gonna get NKed but I never worry about that lol

[SirCakez]

i feel like i also would have probably been shot by now by vig-cakez

I did think about it quite a bit but decided not to

Don't worry y'all one of you guys can eat a bullet tonight instead since you're so excited about it apparently <3

[SirCakez]

StD feels fairly assertive and motivated this game which I associate with him being town

[SirCakez]

these questions about my role are pretty lame, I literally cant be mafia and if I was SK I certainly wouldn't have claimed this role or killed NM, my ascetic is already confirmed by JV too

[SirCakez]

so hey Cakez when you come back to the thread wanna explain why you fake claimed miller of all things

thanks!

He fake claimed it?

during N1 I was re-reading the game and realized Cakez had claimed ascetic miller

the only ascetic miller role on this game is a two-shot vig which is why I was waiting for him to come back into the thread D2 because could've killed Not_Mafia and would explain a lot about Jacob's actions
but I find unlikely that there is a vig in this game especially an ascetic one

wasn't going to say anything but he's lurking very heavily and people are believing his claim so it's time to at least comeback into the thread

This also makes me think Lucca is very likely town btw bc if he figured this out and was scum I most likely would be dead already

[SirCakez]

You want to eliminate a claimed vig with a shot left that can easily be controlled by the majority
What a below-bronze level take lol

[SirCakez]

You say that scum kill failing twice is very unlikely but you think that whatever caused your action to fail twice in a row is what happened, that's crazy cognitive dissonance

[SirCakez]

I do, because I don't believe you. I don't care for bargaining with wolves

You are scum or have trash reads this game

[SirCakez]

.
5. Your counterargument to me saying "you could have overlooked SK existed 100% of the time" was "I would be stupid to claim vig as an SK in an SK game" which was not a counter to what I was saying at all so it feels disingenuous even when my argument was half joking.

Wtf does this even mean??

[SirCakez]

I'm not saying it failed twice in a row because of a block.
It was N1.

I'm saying you're a wolf, therefore it failed.
Or you're ascetic therefore it failed.

My check has nothing to do with it

If I'm a wolf how did NM die n1?

[SirCakez]

I try my best

[SirCakez]

ok I'm being salty and mean I'm going to step away for a bit so I don't say something else regrettable, sorry JV (I know you probably think this is a scum mind game or whatever if you're town but whatever)

I'm very frustrated that my claim was forced out here and that I'm instead getting treated like this despite how confirmable my claim is and I really want to use this to accomplish something instead of getting eliminated today without even getting to use my second shot because that would really fucking blow

[SirCakez]

hello hello

[SirCakez]

Sorry for calling what you did a bronze rank strat

I appreciate this btw, this is why I always try to just walk away for a while when I feel myself getting too heated

[SirCakez]

I feel like Sky's claim is NAI, for all we know she's just scum neighbor by herself

[SirCakez]

Cakez what gives you the impression StD has been motivated and assertive this game

I just checked his ISO to give you examples and I found nothing so literally no idea what I was talking about there

[SirCakez]

i'm on team lets not vote out skygazer

I am always on Team Skygazer

Unfortunately for you, the team what wants to vote you out

Also, and maybe this is a Drew read(err, Asclepius read), but it feels to me that this wagon kinda stagnating and even people hopping off makes me feel like scum thought the wagon would naturally dissipate.......but lack of activity these past few days have forced the hand of the members of scum to leave the wagon to make sure their buddy is not limmed.

Like, usually an early day wagon doesn't stick, so no need for scum to worry too much.......but this one has stuck, with no real counter wagon.

This obviously is only relevant if Sky is Team Scumbutt, but just was something I was thinking about at work today.

-Asclepius

How is this a sticky wagon? It formed like a day ago

[SirCakez]

Nah, I think this is scum!sky

I feel like there is usually a point in Sky's town games where she buckles down and really starts to think critically about the game. I haven't seen that at all here. She's just coasting

Like I think sky posts reactively a lot but when she's town there's usually a moment where she feels guilty about not doing anything and then starts to be proactive for a bit before she slides off into obscurity again. I've seen it after her being pushed before but she got to e-1 and she's still just lurking around

I think this is super solid logic for scum Sky

[SirCakez]

Don't hammer yet

I'm cooking

Lmao

[SirCakez]

I feel a pew pew to shadowez coming soon

[SirCakez]

It feels like Sky gave up to me

[SirCakez]

I feel like I'm in a bad position no matter what. I'm already run up, so if I hammer and Sky is town, chances are I either get vig shot (which would be

terrible

) or close to an auto-lim tomorrow.

If she's scum, since this many people are already pushing me, there's a bus argument.

I'm still reading, will try to post more later but may not be until tomorrow.

who do you think should be vigged instead of you? I want to get this shot off tonight because I expect to either be NKed or eliminated v soon

[SirCakez]

sky's claim is still sus imo.
i feel like a neighbor by self seems a bit too weird.
or maybe the mods are just trolling us.
~o
p.s. this is me re-isoing sky.

there's nothing sus about that claim, it could easily have happened either alignment in this setup so it's NAI

[SirCakez]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

[SirCakez]

maybe it's from the nicotine withdrawal/illness delirium but i really felt like cakez was very blatantly openwolfing when the vig stuff started being talked about and i'm annoyed his wagon dissipated

I hate that Sky is trying to reopen the wagon on me when the arguments for why it would be stupid to eliminate me today have already been posted

[SirCakez]

What happened to the skygazer wagon

Do you have any thoughts on StD and Jackson?

I can't get a good take on Jackson today
StD I want to lean town but I couldn't really point to an exact reason why, ig maybe bc he feels pretty engaged here?

[SirCakez]

i feel like sk probably has to aim for scum tonight to have a shot at winning so probably better for us to try and get scum today actually

So even if you think I'm SK, it would still be a bad idea to eliminate me today based on this logic because I would be shooting to get rid of scum today, and if I'm vig then obviously I'm shooting for scum as well
I'm not seeing the thoughts line up here from Sky

[SirCakez]

StD's reaction to this wagon feels townie, like I totally feel his confusion to why he's even being voted bc I've totally been there

[SirCakez]

Just as I told STD I'll get back to you in more depth relatively soon, I'm not liking what they're doing now by any stretch of the imagination. They're seemingly flailing and stressing over something incredibly little (from what I am reading). I'll put more thought into it in a few hours

I don't think this is an accurate take at all

[SirCakez]

StD I want to lean town but I couldn't really point to an exact reason why, ig maybe bc he feels pretty engaged here?

This read confuses me because I've seen scum!StD be engaged and I've seen town!StD be completely lurky. Maybe you have a larger sample size or something

He wasn't really engaged until he got pushed anyway

My meta is often totally wrong so correct me please

That said I still think Skygazer is the way to go today, I feel like scum might be trying to steer us away and I think we should stay the course. Shadowez I guess is a needed flip at some point but we can eliminate him basically anytime, I want to rally the troops to the Sky wagon now

[SirCakez]

i feel like sk probably has to aim for scum tonight to have a shot at winning so probably better for us to try and get scum today actually

So even if you think I'm SK, it would still be a bad idea to eliminate me today based on this logic because I would be shooting to get rid of scum today, and if I'm vig then obviously I'm shooting for scum as well
I'm not seeing the thoughts line up here from Sky

you might not have noticed but i'm not voting for you anymore so i'm not sure where the contradiction is

okay but the page before the post I quoted, you said you were annoyed that the wagon on me disappeared and thought I was open wolfing so I'm still seeing a disconnect even if you aren't actually voting me

[SirCakez]

I just feel like shaddow is town. He's been town in like 3 of my recent games and this is exactly how he played. He came and went, and when he was here he posted townie stuff. I think his wagon composition is pretty bad as well

I will vote sky, StD, Jackson...whatever counterwagon to shaddow's gets the most support

I'm willing to sheep Black on this shadow read for now

[SirCakez]

Argo has also fallen off for me. They feel like they haven't been much of an influence on much today and considering the contingent of that hydra I feel like they should be having more impact rn

[SirCakez]

I'm not interested in this JV wagon today and the above post solidifies that

[SirCakez]

I'll vote Shadowez if we can't get Sky through but that would not be my preference

[SirCakez]

Jackson why do you think you got a guilty on town?

[SirCakez]

You inspired me! What can I say

[SirCakez]

Really, it doesn't matter too much which of Shadow or Sky we do cuz the other one is getting a visit from me tonight. We do just need some flips here bc we can't solve shit from wagons and associatives if we don't have alignments.

As long as nobody blocks my action or something haha that definitely wouldn't happen right??

[SirCakez]

9.5 hours to deadline so let's just make sure smth gets hammered

[SirCakez]

Why did everyone target me WTF

[SirCakez]

Oh wait im a dumbass, scum can't block me because I'm ascetic!!

Muahahahahahahahahaha all the power is in my hands now!!!

[SirCakez]

I can kill

WHOEVER I WANT

[SirCakez]

ahahahahahahahahaha

[SirCakez]

Imo way to go now is elim Sky, Shadow targets someone scummy and I shoot Sky, that gives us three PoE slots out very quickly

[SirCakez]

Granted those aren't the only two options, but me continuing to protect while hoping they kill not me is risky at best, since that also protects another target.

do no afraid, just protect who you do think is scum ok

this

[SirCakez]

mmm i don't want a vig target getting protected though
it depends on sky flip but im also mulling over just shooting someone scummy directly because if shadow is town and takes out a town with him when he dies we're fucked

[SirCakez]

I CONTRIBUTED TO TOWN VICTORY FOR ONCE IM GONNA CRY

[SirCakez]

gg and wp to everyone