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PM Username First Post Last Post Elapsed Time Posts V/LA Ends
RC most awesomest May 12, 09:31pm May 12, 11:03pm 0 days 0 hours 19
AP May 12, 06:56pm May 12, 11:00pm 0 days 0 hours 4
Not_Mafia May 12, 06:39pm May 12, 10:55pm 0 days 0 hours 5 May 22 2018
Oxy May 12, 07:39pm May 12, 09:20pm 0 days 1 hour 2
Invisibility May 12, 07:10pm May 12, 07:10pm 0 days 3 hours 1
Maruchan May 12, 06:22pm May 12, 07:00pm 0 days 4 hours 3
UglyDuck May 12, 06:45pm May 12, 06:59pm 0 days 4 hours 2
this is a problem guys
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This approach to my slot doesn't make much sense at all, simply saying that I know what I'm doing when I immediately deduced what Oxy needed 5 posts to get to is pretty reasonable.In post 74, Oxy wrote:
please stop gross appeal to authority.In post 72, RC most awesomest wrote:Also I know what I'm doing
It also doesn't respond particularly well to anything that I've done this game, at no point have I appeal to authoritied on any sort of reasoning besides something Oxy didn't even contest besides to say that I didn't know that 'for sure', which I even conceded. Accusing me of appeal to authoritying doesn't come from someone who doesn't generally know who I am.
Oxy shouldn't have me on their radar: I've been gone for 3 months then was only back for like a few months before then. Someone told them about me in scum PT.
Also in general I don't think it's ever the town approach to react to my townread on him (which I immediately 180ed ftr) by calling it bad and arguing that I couldn't have known it was a town thought process. Calling it scummy and being suspicious of it maybe, but what town calls townreads on them bad?
Again: how does this make sense as a town response to anything that I've done this game?Yeah, you're clearly great at this game ;P
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Who are these 'a number of people'
And yes if you disagree with that read you're wrong because it's a pretty strong read: contingent on the premise being true which we've now established it wasn't, it was just general scum tendency to think they need to overreact to and overly question townreads on them to seem towny: which isn't true at all by the way, as scum you shouldn't react to townreads unless you do as town as well.
I had already read PYP and 1859 because NSG was in them so yes.Does this imply that you have read my iso from any game of mine, completed or otherwise?-
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I mean, me coming in and telling them you can't force every game ever to play under that ruleset wasn't loved by like Shea.In post 82, Oxy wrote:I don't know. I read the threads surrounding the geriatric rule set a while back. You weren't exactly loved.
You realize that I was the first person to mod a serious post restricted game and that I invented the ruleset that geriatric games are played under, correct?-
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oxy, what would make you say that i wouldn't be voting you at that point?In post 43, Oxy wrote:Well that vote wasn't from NSG ;P
also, what's your read on ruru right now?
not speaking about oxy specifically here, but just in general i find scum question townreads on them to look towny more often than town actually do.In post 92, Invisibility wrote:
This post is bad. It isn't scummy to call townreads on yourself bad because a bad read is a bad read. (i'm not saying Oxy is town. i'll have to reread thread to get a better grasp of stuff. Oxy and RC were very wordy)In post 77, RC most awesomest wrote: Also in general I don't think it's ever the town approach to react to my townread on him (which I immediately 180ed ftr) by calling it bad and arguing that I couldn't have known it was a town thought process. Calling it scummy and being suspicious of it maybe, but what town calls townreads on them bad?
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if you disagree with me then the chances are pretty damn good that I know something that you don't know as opposed to vice versa.In post 92, Invisibility wrote:
This post is bad. It isn't scummy to call townreads on yourself bad because a bad read is a bad read. (i'm not saying Oxy is town. i'll have to reread thread to get a better grasp of stuff. Oxy and RC were very wordy)In post 77, RC most awesomest wrote: Also in general I don't think it's ever the town approach to react to my townread on him (which I immediately 180ed ftr) by calling it bad and arguing that I couldn't have known it was a town thought process. Calling it scummy and being suspicious of it maybe, but what town calls townreads on them bad?
scum spend a lot more time sorting out townreads on themselves than town do generally-
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If it's not clear that's a response to this: I find this completely unacceptable and don't want to play with anyone who is going to say this.(Also this doesn't make your slot scummier but lynching RC is +EV by default)
I am in a hydra with possibly the easiest person on this site to read, I should be able to get away with this.-
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Your friend advocated policy lynching me and then I did the same and all of a sudden I'm the bad guy because I was mature enough to say that my problem was with him not his slot?In post 143, ruru wrote:(Also this doesn't make your slot scummier but lynching RC is +EV by default)
When you consider this from the POV that if I replace out of this game today NSG gets lynched 0% of the time then yes my slot getting scumread is 100% personal and having to do with me.
How would you like to debate your alignment with someone who says that lynching you is +EV by default because of things that have nothing to do with your town game?-
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I want to be able to play with friends and trying to play games anonymously defeats the purpose of playing with friends.In post 160, ruru wrote:So umm, is there something I'm missing or can RC just make an anonymous alt like anyone else?
But yeah I don't understand why playing to win is everyone else's problem.
For the record RC, I really look up to your scum winrate and plan to like study all your games at some point. I don't have anything personal against you (especially not if you're making those posts for an in-game reason), although your posts toward me felt a bit like a personal attack
It's not a question of whose problem it is the simple fact that it badly hurts my ability to focus as town and makes the game not fun for me.
I don't want to play with people whose approach to my slot is to treat me like a ticking time bomb regardless of what I do and I don't have the option of avoiding them because so many times the people who end up doing that are people who I have no experience with and have never met before who got that approach to my slot secondhand from other people.
You think that it's not personal because you're just one person trying to play your game but when it's all the time for you you would take it personally too.
It's very easy for you to not understand because you're 'just playing to your wincon' when your assessment of your wincon removes my ability to play the game.
Like you said that I should have assumed Oxy would know of me but I have been extremely low visibility for the last 8 or so months and I was hoping that it would have gone away by now.
Obviously I was wrong in that but I play with newbies in the first place to get away with expectations of me being dragged in from other games.
My vote there is entirely independent of your vote there and I'm not sure what specific engagement you think that I should have with your role claim.I think voting with me on UD without interacting at all with my role claim is weird
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Despite me townreading (misreading) CoA I almost reevaluated at that point because the whole idea of NSG questioning me townlocking her felt so weird.CultOfAthena wrote:
No, I'm just wondering where the strength of the read comes from – it's a lot more confident of a read than most other people in the game seem to have and you entered the thread with it.In post 623, RadiantCowbells wrote:Do you think that I shouldn't townread you?
She did not question my correct locktowning of her in, for exampe, 1 vig 2 mafia 6 vts. This is universally applicable. People who I townread rarely question my townreads on them.
It's sort of the inverse of people over questioning even reasonable town scumreads on them, town expect to be townread.
Generally when people have a chip on their shoulder about being entitled to being townread and lash out at even reasonable scumreads on them it's a towntell.
You can agree or disagree but I'm 100% right on this and NSG wouldn't have backed me up if she disagreed with my theory regardless of her alignment.-
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Also I think your approach of sending the best players to heaven is dead wrong
strongest players should stay on the ground, I'd send like whoever I read as like weakest >80% town in the game to heaven
nightless games perform far above equity but only because they keep town powerhouses in play, you lynch them it might as well not be nightless
according to awoo equity is 32% which is pretty awful. I would never advocate sending myself to heaven unless it was like super late game-
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It's not about that it's about the fact that I don't want to play with people who have that mentality and I don't think you should find it hard to see why.
I don't think that anyone has ever benefited from random paranoia of me when I was scum: in the two games I was lynched as scum unintentionally last year one was because I replaced an absolute dead slot and the other I had decided that winning the game wasn't worth it and there was serious situational reasoning to scumread me. On the other hand, there's over a dozen games where town massively suffered because people decided to paranoia read me.
Like it might feel like you're doing something but you're not and when you errantly scumread me it makes people take your read less seriously in the future. In basically all the games last year where someone did correctly catch me as scum they had so many instances where they were sure I was scum as town that no one took their read seriously.
If you want to actually have a chance of taking scum games off of me the first thing that you need to learn to do is correctly townread me.
I have had you as locktown since basically the very beginning of the game. I don't play the game like you seem to think that I do.I made some intentionally weird posts that were probably hard to read (which by itself is more beneficial to scum than town), and didn't give a real reason for voting UD. I would kinda expect town to try to sort me in that situation, and try to assess whether or not I would be bussing UD as scum-
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okay maybe I will go into some theory
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1) basically your whole approach to me is backwards. I am town far more than I am scum and generally pretty damn effective as town when I'm given my space while my play quality suffers a lot when not given my space. If you're going to play guilty until proven innocent with me you're heavily reducing your winrate in the most common position that this situation would come up, the one where we're both town. furthermore, the question has to be raised how much win equity do you actually think you're giving yourself in the games that I -am- scum, because holistically going through the games where I've had to deal with crap like this it has not damaged my scum winrate. What it has done is ruined a lot of very easy town wins. If you can't read me the assumption shouldn't be that I'm scum, it should be that I'm town. Unless PoE gets to a point where there's no real scumspects outside of me or you have an actual, good reason to believe that I'm scum, convincing yourself to be paranoid of me when the game doesn't demand it is self sabotage. you'll notice all the people that deal with me at all effectively do so by understanding that their read on me is meaningless and let me prove my alignment other ways, ie by some sort of proficiencying my reads or PoEing the game down and only going after me when the rest of the game are townreads. And they still mostly end up being wrong when they go for me. You're trying to treat this like something it's not, if I were scum here you don't realistically win the game any significant proportion of the time and you shouldn't try to scrape the 1% win equity against scum me that you can maybe pull together by deciding to lose most of the games that we're town together. Games where I get mislynched generally end in town being absolutely torn apart and never being able to collect itself, because if I didn't hard protect myself from being mislynched I would be mislynched literally every game.
This should bother you a lot more than it does. While the outcomes where I'm scum and win are a lot more salient than the ones where you lost because I didn't get to play the game properly, assuming you're town I'm still town 5/8ths of the time and in other setups a fuckton more often than that. (we're town.)If you're town, we don't get to benefit fully from your actual town playing strength because everyone will be too paranoid to sheep your reads (I realize this is a self-fulfilling prophecy for your town game but the point of the game is to play to win, not to make RC happy)
My attitude basically is that I have confidence in my ability to solve the game once I have space.Then why is your vote on me? Do you think it's worth policy lynching a locktown player to hell who has admittedly weak reads, and probably won't ever be able to convince others you're scum?
Hell lynches are only important in this game so far as it's important that in 9 way, 7 way, or 6 way JD scum goes down, the game is decided by heaven lynches.
Hypothetically if no one else would be interested in going after me and I could swing your lynch I would do it 100% of the time because I think it boosts town WR
that said in this setup I'd much prefer to send you to heaven so that we don't actually have to play together, and if we lose to JD because of you at least that gives an extremely salient message to everyone here about the consequences of the way you're playing. Also I'm pretty sure we wouldn't get to JD, but that may be my overconfidence speaking.
My reads have developed no further than they were before you made the higher win equity to lynch me as either alignment comment.
Sending me to heaven tomorrow is also perfectly viable but like... if I was scum that's the equivalent of saying that I'm going to win anyway so just give me the win, which is the opposite of what you've been trying to do. I don't think that you've thought through your stance as much as you're doing what feels like the right play.-
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Not that I'm particularly scumreading AP but why does this read make AP town Oxy?
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we're town
ruru feels vtown
invisibility feels like he did as town
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AP has been posting elsewhere but given the way the day went I don't think that's necessarily that indicative
Oxy I'm torn on, read on him is heavily contingent on flips right now
N_M as well, for him it's probably more indicative because i'd have expected him to try to policy lynch me by now if he were town
Duck is ick
I'm going to glory solve the game as Oxy/N_M/Duck with Alchemist interchangeable with anyone until he does stuff
mostly excluding AP because Oxy/AP does not feel like SvS and Oxy has bad associatives with both Duck (random gut townread) and NM (townreading AP for scumreading them)-
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