Open 725: Jungle Republic - Day 5

[Espeonage]

Reads so far:

ManWithNoName -Town
skitter30 -Mafia
Espeonage -Town
Sando -Werewolf
the worst -Town
ceejayvinoya -Mafia
TheYankeeReaper -Town
UglyDuck -Werewolf
pinturicchio -Town
Not_Mafia -Mafia
Draynth -Town

Important:

If I got your alignment right; please confirm in the thread.

Seems pretty baller

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vote: the worst

That feels like a real slip btw.

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unvote

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Imma give you guys two more pages for shitposting, after that it's gonna get derail-y, which leads to apathy, which I already have on page 3.

Can we just do an anteater game again. I miss anteaters.

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Fully serious bc I cbf going back and reading your post.

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alrighty ducky, lets have a chat. bc you have a case of dumbs I'm not used to.

Hypothesis: You are ignoring that me being lazy is NAI because of a resounding OMGUS.
Supporting Evidence: In a multiball you need to focus on not falling behind and avoiding lynches because it is easier to towntell.
Conclusion: You are jumping on something you don't believe in because you feel it is good scum play day 1 of a multiball.

How will my experiment go?

Bear in mind I will wear safety goggles while working with reactive substances (in this case a dirty duckling).

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I've been over this in jungle republic before when I hard bussed a teammate.

In multiball you catch people by how they avoid lynches not be how they make lynches. Normal scumhunting SHOULD get thrown out the window. So I will push and prod because threatening pressure is the only thing that will work.

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skitter that was a legit oversight on my part btw. That was not an attempted townslip.

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Ok yeah worst is hella off this game.

Vote: the worst

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Thank you. so far so good.

In that case......where next?
ESPE GET BACK IN HERE

Dude it's msi. I'm getting no sleep and I haven't been at work much. I do most of my meaty stuff at the work computer.

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sup, prodded but scum aint dedded yet.

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ok cj, lynch worst.

Tada, now go get him little guy.

Also wagoning Dray is not gonna make him talk.

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I like how every time I come in and tell people to vote you you go back to voting me.

Is that like an inescapable knee jerk reaction or what?

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To be honest. I don't care what your read on me is.

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You flip red and all your reads become 'poof' meaningless, just like that.

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yes it's an awful reflex

but you lurked until you're voted then come in and continue to tell people to vote me for....apparently no reason?
and there's a lot of people I don't feel like voting right now

Also I came in because it was just after open and I am at work. You already know I only really post while at work. Just so happens timing is interesting.

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I like how every time I come in and tell people to vote you you go back to voting me.

Is that like an inescapable knee jerk reaction or what?

then why make posts like this rather than actually try and play the game?

Because a knee jerk omgus is very indicative of scum. This post is not actually for you to answer but in fact evidence for the masses in favour of your lynch.

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knee jerk reactions aren't, but a omgus one is. This was the basis of the initial case which has probably been forgotten. But it's nice to see the pattern scumminess continue.

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Sando, pushing the you don't scumhunt normally is how I bussed last jungle republic and is in fact how you play multiball, so sit your arse down and get in your lane.

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can you show me where omgus votes are scum indicative even?
s2g you're just spouting random armchair philosophy crap, you haven't made any effort to actually correctly sort me you're just tunnelling this shit

I'm under forced engagement so yes that is exactly what I am doing.

But I'll quote myself if you really need.

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alrighty ducky, lets have a chat. bc you have a case of dumbs I'm not used to.

Hypothesis: You are ignoring that me being lazy is NAI because of a resounding OMGUS.
Supporting Evidence: In a multiball you need to focus on not falling behind and avoiding lynches because it is easier to towntell.
Conclusion: You are jumping on something you don't believe in because you feel it is good scum play day 1 of a multiball.

How will my experiment go?

Bear in mind I will wear safety goggles while working with reactive substances (in this case a dirty duckling).

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This is called a case and the formatting is honestly just for funsies bc I get bored sometimes.

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you quoted a tinfoil case from 400 posts ago
you are aware things have happened in the last 400 posts yes?

See I was gonna go back, but then NM dropped one of his game tunnels, and he has been pretty spot on recently. He's in form and being baller, so I figured I must be right.

And hey there are other days for finding the rest of the scums and day 1 multiball is rarely this successful. You have done town a great service.

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Sando, pushing the you don't scumhunt normally is how I bussed last jungle republic and is in fact how you play multiball, so sit your arse down and get in your lane.

What you're gonna find is that appeals to authority aren't gonna have a great effect on me...back to your valiant efforts to get duckling lynched though, I can appreciate that at least.

Ok this isn't an appeal to authority. It's a fact about a gametype.

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Actually worst, given my history, when you flip red I probably will be lynched all things considered. So you do get a silver lining. And hey if somehow you flip green I become conf town which is fucking awesome.

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I don't understand what you mean by this. Why is theorizing about multiball specifically werewolf indicative? Why is it even scum indicative in a generic-scum sense?

Theorising itself is not, but:
a) he's not backing up his theory, he's just saying "I've played jungle before, this is how you do it", hence my Appeal to Authority statement.
b) I think it's werewolf because they're the "traditional" scum in this game. They've got a NK, they don't have to worry about being NK'd and they've got a PR they need to deal with. They have some extra thoughts on their mind, like needing to get scum numbers lower (I think this is how end-game works from my reading), but overall they can probably play a formal normal scumgame, which I'm positing that you can therefore normally scumhunt. Espe is saying that you can't normal scumhunt (which I disagree with) and that's saying to town that they shouldn't do something that should in theory be just as effective against one-scumfaction, wolves. Hence via that old logic-centre in mah brain, most likely wolf.

Scum are scumhunting. That's not normal.

Therefore town need to change the way they do thing. tada reasoning.

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his reasoning has literally not changed in 400 posts

he has also done nothing in 400 posts and is arrogantly digging in his heels on a bad read

this has upgraded from having no read to being like "rly bish"

He didn't do that in Stack the Deck, either. He was town, you were scum. What's the Vote Number on him?

Yeah I don't think I was even present the day worst got lynched that game.

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Also I tunnelled on Maria that game on what people thought was a dumb reason, turns out she was scum.

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But, you definitely moved your vote around a bit day 1, you really aren't here. Day 2 was pretty quick and culminated in Math and the worst fucking around for like 30 posts.

Ok look at my play difference in day 1 and on day 3. Day 3 I am doing the kind of shit show I currently am because I fell out of the game. Not to the extent I have here, but a little.

This is how Espe plays from behind bud.

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AP, why Draynth?

TBH, it's starting to be a PL for me in all games I'm in with him. He does jack shit and then replaces out. I want him to replace out sooner than later.

Ok so that means you do a thing known as waiting rather than trying to derail a day with less than a week left.

Like come on.

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in math's stack the deck he vigged you the same night a50 protected you and scum tried kill you.

espe 0-1 record of reading me

I would like to put forward the industry super fund ad campaign disclaimer as evidence.

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in math's stack the deck he vigged you the same night a50 protected you and scum tried kill you.

espe 0-1 record of reading me

I would like to put forward the industry super fund ad campaign disclaimer as evidence.

as a finance man i'm still not putting my money in a super fund which hast lost money every single time it's tried

See I really like you as a person and I hate when people I like are scum.

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ugh I'm done.

Vote: UD

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While that's funny. Funny isn't townie.

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While that's funny. Funny isn't townie.

wasn't meant to be funny. was pointing out that it is hard to do less than me, but you have accomplished it thus far.

I enjoy compliments.

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Aww shucks, this is my good angle.

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Totes.

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Ok but like why tho? Bc that's bad.

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Yeah worst look me in the eye.

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I'm getting some, "I've been caught but y'all shouldn't have caugth me because of OTHER PEOPLE" vibes from UD rn.

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also why does every game you seem to play end up in someone switching to a weird version of your avatar?

Well I'm sick of seeing people with duck in their username not being ducks so I am balancing the world.

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I'm getting some, "I've been caught but y'all shouldn't have caugth me because of OTHER PEOPLE" vibes from UD rn.

in what world are you reading me in any form as a "caught?"
which am I?
an idiotic WW or stupid Mafia?

Why would either of those factions as me (or anyone for that matter) act in this way?

I honestly don't know or care which one you are. But I'll take this as confirmation that you are one.

And because obfuscation, confusion, and lack of information are core pillars of how scum gets advantages over town.

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I'm getting some, "I've been caught but y'all shouldn't have caugth me because of OTHER PEOPLE" vibes from UD rn.

in what world are you reading me in any form as a "caught?"
which am I?
an idiotic WW or stupid Mafia?

Why would either of those factions as me (or anyone for that matter) act in this way?

I honestly don't know or care which one you are. But I'll take this as confirmation that you are one.

And because obfuscation, confusion, and lack of information are core pillars of how scum gets advantages over town.

As much as I agree with the backwards duckling, why did he start this? Or do you think he didn't expect this response and is scrambling?

that one

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I'm getting some, "I've been caught but y'all shouldn't have caugth me because of OTHER PEOPLE" vibes from UD rn.

in what world are you reading me in any form as a "caught?"
which am I?
an idiotic WW or stupid Mafia?

Why would either of those factions as me (or anyone for that matter) act in this way?

I honestly don't know or care which one you are. But I'll take this as confirmation that you are one.

And because obfuscation, confusion, and lack of information are core pillars of how scum gets advantages over town.

yeah.. except the whole bit about how I presented this situation would in no way shape or form ever possibly give me an advantage if I were Mafia/WW.

I mean what happens in the "worst case scenario" for you. I vote you without reason, you get lynched... then what? People.... don't find that skummy? your reasoning does not parse.

it works for NM.

Bonus here is that you can potentially get cred for being right. Not that it matters because multiball.

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I've played with UD once before but I do not remember anything other than I townread them in that game.

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Sando, Furnuki, the worst, UD and someone are all the bad people.

cj and skitter are not that last slot.

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probs not nm either.

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Basically everyone trying to say that WW and mafia are different is bad.

Probably scum, but also hella bad.

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What?

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Bc killing any sort of scum matters so much more.

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hmmmm how much do I really want to vote espe here

Why you wouldn't? Do you disagree with the points raised against him?

And who do you want to vote instead?

He's not sure whether to bus or not in multiball.

What's the VC?

You definitely bus.

Which coincidently is how I won last time. It had nothing to do with ww priority. Ww were just trying to avoid being lynched because they had bad day play.

Read the whole game before using a one game sample size to call me scum.

Fumuki is either an idiot or some brand of scum. And I really hope for his sake its the latter. The worst not realising the line of argument is stupid, is telling and I am glad I get to start having a better record of reading him.

Others are probably just pulled in by fumukis rhetoric. Don't hold it against them.

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'm isn't scumreading me and smarter than your average mafia player. Get another hammerer.

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But yes wait for skitter.

What I think is really funny is the two people from the game you are evidencing haven't voted me.

I am not seer however. Y'all can lynch me if the two pushers of this for say 2 and 3.

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There is a difference between forcing through a lynch on someone with reasoning based on falacies, and lynching someone you actually think is scum. You are doing the former.

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@fumuki

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And yes sando, I segwayed into a dressing the wagon in general. Sorry for confusion.

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Its been like 20 minutes mate.

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You've entirely missed me point though. Which may explain something.

What I was arguing is that mafia and ww are going to be ridiculously hard to tell apart.
If we all agree lynching town is worse than lynching scum.

Then isn't it the most obvious thing in the world that we prioritise lynching scum. And that by inhibiting your pool to your own interpretation of how one side will act, you increase the chance of a misslynch.

Like come on, use your head ffs.

I I want this post screenshotted at post game.

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It mostly all comes down to how people are spinning the focus of the town as a whole.

And then what people are choosing to ignore or focus on.

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If you're killing time let's jam. Anything you want to talk about? I liked our earlier interactions, and as I said before, now that 720 is finished, I think I'm talking with town!Sando

Sure, I feel like Espe's view on WW/Mafia hunting has moved. It was "lol you can't regular scumhunt" and is now "lol idiots you can't tell between Scum and WW". To me this feels like trying to get away from previous (bad) theory and now trying to look like the reasonable person.

Thoughts? Am I being paranoid?

Those are not mutually exclusive.

I am pushing both of those arguments.

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Fumuki is wrong.

Pin, skitter, and myself would like to play mafia.

@worst

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Ok but like you are a good lynch target.

I feel like furnukis fallout of my wagon is good though. I hate when I call for ate but here we are.

I want UD as highest scumread. But you are up there worst.

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Fucking permits. That was @ worst

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Ebwop pedits

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Ok I'm confused. Have I completely misread the last page or so here?

Is UD saying that they're voting me for "reasons" but don't want to say them? There's nothing for him to look for, anyone claiming to know my scum meta vs town meta is kidding themselves, I haven't had scum in a completed game since coming back, and this is currently my only ongoing I'm alive in.

Is UD saying that they voted for Skitter for "reasons" but when pressed about constantly voting people for "reasons" defends the skitter one by saying their "reasons" are no longer valid and they don't scumread them? Cause that doesn't answer the question of why UD is currently just constantly using "reasons".

correct yeah

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I remember having a cj town read.

Can we do UD instead?

vote: ugly ducky