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meh, i townlean him.
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like, i don't understand your progression there.-
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what do you make of it?In post 33, jjh927 wrote:Worth noting that NSG is more interested in me than her wagon?-
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i'm going to wait at least until everyone (or most everyone) checks in to discuss reads.-
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i think you should take a step back from the thread for a momentIn post 47, Zoronos wrote:Acknowledged.
I shall continue journaling to myself.
Dear dairy,
Today ruru and pintu RVS’ed after there was content to read. I’m curious if they did so on purpose.
Pintu’s vote response may have been knowledge of guilty intent but that’s a thin read.
I wonder why ruru chose ofrhz, maybe because he sheeped a wagon in RVS instead of starting a new one, so I’m mistaking a serious but naked vote for an RVS vote.
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where does that come from?In post 74, ruru wrote:Okay, NSG is town-
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but seriously, i think jjh is scum. given his reasoning for unvoting zoronos in 31 i don't even understand why he was voting him in the first place.
i don't get why he even brings up me being more interested in him than in my own wagon if he doesn't have any conclusion to draw from it. i don't see how it's "worth noting" in the first place, then?
i also think his vote on blackstar for blackstar voting zoronos is kind of an awkward white knight. sure, zoronos looks kind of towny here, but i'm not sure if these were entirely warranted:In post 64, jjh927 wrote:That's how you get to happen. He's been an extremely positive presence in getting out of RVSIn post 66, jjh927 wrote:Looks more legit to me than what you're saying-
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this is also worth noting - the vote on pintu was essentially RVS at a point where serious things were being discussed andandafter he said that he prefers to break away from RVS sooner as a justification for his initial vote on zor.In post 25, jjh927 wrote:I think the faster we break away from RVS, the better, and to do that generally involves making a mountain out of a molehill and then stripmining that mountain for its precious content-
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sure, let's chat.In post 163, jjh927 wrote:Oi NSG, we can talk in real time or I can just tell you why you're wrong-
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zoronos, tell me about your read on pintu. just talk about it, any thoughts you have, anything you've been doing to sort him, etc.-
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i'm fine with you saying your vote was serious when it wasn't as a method to get out of RVS: what i don't understand is, given that philosophy, then unvoting and immediately placing a random vote that doesn't accomplish towards that purpose.In post 189, jjh927 wrote:If you don't get why I voted Zor, you don't understand the whole making a mountain out of a molehill thing. My general RVS philosophy involves making votes and trying to make them convey more pressure than they reasonably should, as this helps to generate content. This was the purpose of the Zor vote. This is why I said it was serious when it really wasn't that serious.
it doesn't seem like an actual sort, or perhaps it's too easy of one - once you understood what he said, unvoting and just calling him town and moving on to an RVS vote makes no sense to me, especially as reflected on later with your vote on blackstar / defense of zor. were you really that confident in him being town just from what he said there?
explain your blackstar scumread?
i don't know what "lhf" means, but why not bringI'm not sure if you were scouting me out as potential lhf or if that's even your kind of jam as scum. I kinda like the look of the motivation behind your case but there's the distinct possibility of it instead being the result of this, which was what I was kinda conscious of. You were also a pretty big rvs wagon and would be looking for somewhere for people to shift votes to when things became serious. There are at least a couple of people in the game who probably understand that I'm not actually easy ot mislynch at all, but I sometimes get wagoned early on by people who haven't played with me before. It's difficult for me to see town or scum motivation in that, especially with how long it's been since I actually played an RVS.anyof this up when i asked you what you made of it?-
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asking "why zoronos" is leagues different from what jjh did. it's an attempt to understand, not an attempt to defend you while attacking blackstar. i'm really not sure how you look at them as being comparable.In post 178, Zoronos wrote:Do you feel that falls into the same play pattern that jjh is being accused of, or is his question different? That is, do you feel ofrhz was asking a loaded question, or a non-loaded question?-
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41 is essentially RVS because jjh had no apparent serious reasoning for voting pintu and, as he has now confirmed, no non-stated reason for voting him. my vote was naked, but it wasn't RVS.In post 183, Zoronos wrote: I had trouble following / agreeing with her 105. She calls out JJH's 41 (a vote on Pintu) for being 'essentially RVS', but she herself had voted Pintu in 37. I specifically commented on her vote in 44 with my impression / guess at why she might be voting him. So, if her vote in 37 is a legit strike, why is 41 essentially RVS? Is it the inclusion of the phrase 'Mr Blue Sky' when she had naked voted?
what i don't understand is his behavior after that.Alternatively, she is purposefully RVS'ing at that stage, and assumes JJH is as well, and the problem isn't the RVS vote itself, but the hypocrisy as contrasted to JJH's prior comments about getting out of RVS.
NSG had notes that she had trouble following JJH's progression when he voted me in 17 -> unvoted me in 24. I personally had no trouble understanding JJH's line of thinking. I didn't really explain my question until after his initial answer, so I can see a progression of 'That's a dumb question, vote' to 'Ooohhhh that's not a dumb question unvote'. He said as much in 21. If I put myself in JJH's shoes, it doesn't take me a huge struggle to figure out why he might react as he did in that sequence if he believes we 'should' still be in RVS.
i thought the scumminess of bringing up a talking point that might be taken as a scumtell for me but without actually having any sort of thoughts about it was obvious.Her last point, that she didn't get why JJH brought up that NSG was more interested in him than in the wagon on her does give me some pause, but I don't know what to make of either side of it.
JJH said "Worth noting that NSG is more interested in me than her wagon?". Which doesn't seem like a question, but has a question mark in it. So I'm not really sure who it was directed to in the first place. So I can totally understand NSG's confusion about it, but I'm a little on the 'so what' side of things there. I mostly ignored the wagon on me, as ruru noted a couple pages ago, so I'm not super surprised that NSG ignored the wagon on her, nor am I super surprised that it got brought up (again, ruru brought up that I ignored the wagon on me). The only thing about it that perplexes me is the question mark.-
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this reasoning doesn't make sense to me coming from someone who believes that we should move out of RVS quickly and who takes steps to do so.In post 194, jjh927 wrote:I voted pintu because I wasn't voting anyone and it couldn't do any harm
well, you voted him before he explained any of his reasoning, so his reasoning itself can't have been the reason you voted him in the first place. you must have voted him initiallyI don't really scumread blackstar, so to speak. Maybe a lean? I voted because he was scumreading Zor, and the reasoning on that (specifically having two reasons, one being a crappy RVS reason and the other being a crappy attempted reason) is bad. And I'm still voting there because nothing better has shown up.justbecause he voted zor. or is there something i'm overlooking?
what do you think scum!blackstar sees as a strategy in voting someone people generally consider to be a townread and giving what anyone (even himself) can see is pretty weak reasoning?-
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math, i'm town this game, don't waste time thinking about it.In post 199, Mathdino wrote:Would NSG be aware that jjh has a reputation for being super obvtown as town? I, as scum in this playerlist, would absolutely not be trying to lynch jjh of all people.
i think she's probably town as of now.I'm feeling mafia-lazy. Someone give me a read on ruru to sheep?-
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i don't think i've ever said that to you as scum (to anyone, perhaps?)In post 201, Mathdino wrote:
yeah but that's how you'd talk to me if you were scumIn post 200, northsidegal wrote:math, i'm town this game, don't waste time thinking about it.
so why waste your time saying NAI things
...not that i neverwould, or anything
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he's played another game recently, mini normal 2005In post 202, Mathdino wrote:zor feels solidly out of a "player returning from hiatus" scumrange
but i also have only skimmed his ISO because lordy i am not reading all of that
what are the cool wagons? can i chainsaw defend zor and/or ruru?
recommended reading to everyone here, for more reasons than one-
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i have a general tell that's been working pretty well for me in the past few games, but nothing like that as of yet.-
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{HeWhoSwims, pinturicchio, ruru, Zoronos, BlackStar, HitAlt}
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i think your first vote was better, honestly.
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i can definitely join this
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i think it's probably just NAI.
it's only been ~24 hours since his post - really no reason to be thinking about a replacement.-
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mostly elli-tell for me
it was a read i was prepared to leave alone and see how it developed during the day, still up for that so i guess i'd prefer to not explain anything further if it's not necessary.-
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meh, i think that's a bad definition for it honestly, and the one i was using was the originalIn post 262, Mathdino wrote:Why does ellitell have 2 definitions smh
It's basically stalking someone until you have a secret meta tell on them
no, you had it rightIn post 263, the worst wrote:oohhhhh ok, someone said it was the posting elsewhere on site thing. that seemed pissweak for Elli.-
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what makes you say this? i don't think the worst is so obviously town as to warrant this - in fact, i think blackstar is probably townier.In post 301, ruru wrote:Okay, BlackStar was not lying about not reading the thread-
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how does the worst have more global posts than me????-
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i mean, with the exception of the worst, everyone on the lower tier of my list in 211 is also among the lower half when it comes to postcount.In post 374, ruru wrote:Like we're 15 pages in and I just kinda feel like nothing happened and I'm bored
Like I need RC flaming me or something so I can get into the game more
I feel like you were experiencing this too at least a few pages ago
i guess i've been going more for the "sit back and wait for scum to out themselves", but i can try to switch that up if it'll be more effective. just give me a second.-
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First order of business:
Blackstar voters, justify yourself.
I'm feeling pretty good about blackstar being town here. He's definitely going against the seeming "consensus opinion", but i fail to see where the "scum" part of that comes in. In fact, it's the opposite to me – he really doesn't seem to be concerned all that much with his own appearance. His thoughts and votes get him scumread, but they all feel totally real to me. I think a good example of what i'm trying to say is in his entrance with the vote on zoronos. as seen from the reactions it was definitely an "against the grain" move, but again, it all felt like completely real things that he actually thought:
Spoiler:
and, reading the thread myself, i canseewhere his thought is coming from.
i get a strange feeling that blackstar could be sorted pretty realiably using a spreadsheet (math probably knows what i'm talking about), but just on his play here i'm feeling pretty good about him being town.-
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@Other Open 721-ers
Thoughts on ofhrz here as compared to last game? Correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i remember in both of the games i've played with him people just considered him obviously town – obviously town to the point where i don't think i've ever really expended that much effort trying to read him, i just wrote him off as town.
Is the fact that i can't really write him off as town yet meaningful?
Elli-tell still seems valid here as well. He really hasn't been much of a presence so far – i should go back and check open 721 and 1859's early game postcount there to compare. (this is something math might want to do / have done already as well)-
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i'm not anywhere near confident yet, but he's definitely got my attention.In post 380, the worst wrote:how confident are you in scum!ofrhz? I'm starting to feel like I might be being stupid.
this is kind of why i was doing the "taking it slow" route, because i'm not sure how much my making all of this clear will change his behavior such that it'd be unreadable, but i think doing this is necessary for the gamestate right now at the very least.-
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What about compared to hitalt's vote?In post 379, the worst wrote:pretty much read his early game as busywork and thought his vote on me was terrible
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?In post 385, ruru wrote:
Yeah, this is like precisely one of the reasons why the game is awfulIn post 382, northsidegal wrote:this is kind of why i was doing the "taking it slow" route, because i'm not sure how much my making all of this clear will change his behavior such that it'd be unreadable, but i think doing this is necessary for the gamestate right now at the very least.
because people are lurking or because of my strategy?-
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solution: lynch all lurkersIn post 388, ruru wrote:Because I think your strategy is kind of optimal-
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i'm only half-joking with this, by the way. if we want to use the "let scum incriminate themselves" strategy, then naked voting lurkers up to a decently sized wagon serves to get them to post more while also not necessarily revealing the reasons behind a scumread.In post 390, northsidegal wrote:
solution: lynch all lurkersIn post 388, ruru wrote:Because I think your strategy is kind of optimal-
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how does mhsmith put it? sort by postcount, become werewolf expert?-
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i'm not exactly sure what that implies, but i think i'm probably okay with it.In post 395, pinturicchio wrote:@NSG you're pretty talkative in this game compared to all the other games I've played with you. Wanna jam?-
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i'm not sure yet if the more talkative style that used to be me every game or the more concise "sit back" style is more effective. certainly the sit-back style has been mostly what i've been using my past few towngames, but i'm not sure if there's some kind of rule there yet.In post 397, pinturicchio wrote:I mean let's talk. You usually don't talk too much, you just give your reads, but here you're talking, and I want to talk with you 'cause you have good early reads.
perhaps there's no universal "best", and it depends from game to game.
there hasn't been much to progress my jjh read, honestly – others have said that he generally obvtowns as town and he seems to be busy and hasn't responded to what i last said (unless i've missed it), so as of now it's another waiting game.In post 399, pinturicchio wrote:
Interested in if your jjh read progressed and in a Mathdino readIn post 396, northsidegal wrote:
i'm not exactly sure what that implies, but i think i'm probably okay with it.In post 395, pinturicchio wrote:@NSG you're pretty talkative in this game compared to all the other games I've played with you. Wanna jam?
i had my thoughts on mathdino typed up in the beginnings of a post going over all of my scumreads that i deleted, but basically he's in the lower tier for me right now mostly as a formality. he hasn't had much of a presence as of yet and i know that's more of a sitewide thing than a "this game" thing, but i still couldn't justify townreading him as of now.-
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i guess there's something to be said about having the default being a townread and needing to justifyscumreadinginstead of justify townreading, but i feel enough towny-pings from the people in the upper tier that subverting what basic probability would say (more people are town ergo any random person is more likely to be town than scum so a town default makes more sense) doesn't feel too bad.-
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nope, i don't believe that it is – never meant to imply it was.In post 408, ruru wrote:
His activity isn't really AI right? I feel like his scum meta that I've read previously was like all power wolfingIn post 403, northsidegal wrote:i had my thoughts on mathdino typed up in the beginnings of a post going over all of my scumreads that i deleted, but basically he's in the lower tier for me right now mostly as a formality. he hasn't had much of a presence as of yet and i know that's more of a sitewide thing than a "this game" thing, but i still couldn't justify townreading him as of now.
Also I mean we're not wagoning the dinosaur d1 right like who does that
no, i don't necessarily think it's reciprocal – at least, not yet. i need to learn from ellibereth because he has reading math down to apparently creature-levels of easy, but i'm not necessarily at the same point for him that he (claims to be ) at for me.In post 409, pinturicchio wrote:@NSG playstyle effectiveness varies from game to game, absolutely. I'm playing absolutely different of what I usually do 'cause Zoronos started pretty serious and I had no time to be fluffy, maybe with time I'll get my chance to meme.
Here's a tricky question for you: Mathdino claims to be pretty good at reading you, which implies that he have read a lot of games where you've been and that he has played a lot of games with you too. Do you feel the same way? How good are you at reading Mathdino?
that being said, my only real game with scum!math is still ongoing, so i'm actually not all that sure if what i'm saying is even right – maybe iwould begood at catching scum math, but i just don't know about it yet.-
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i made that alt in the first place to play differently. you probably shouldn't be expecting similar play.In post 482, Zoronos wrote:I’m a little worried that NSG isn’t as rapid about prosecutin her scum case as in 2005 but maybe that’s because she’s setting a clever trap idk she mentioned that the other day, but the raw emotional intensity is missing so I’m concerned. Or maybe she’s just not sure yet but I have concerns.-
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{HeWhoSwims, pinturicchio}
{Mathdino, the worst, HitAlt}
{ofrhz, jjh927, Something_Smart}
strangely enough, despite the positioning i feel like if i'm wrong on any one of these it'd be within the {davesaz, zoronos} group.-
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The newbie 1859 / open 721 - crew's read, I guess. Mainly pintu, though.-
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In post 214, pinturicchio wrote:@Dino I know you don't like gutreads or at least is the worst type of reads from your perspective along with cold meta, but I played a long ass game being her scumpartner and until I see another game where she's scum, I will say I have an ability to read her towngames with a probability of 100%-
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It also seems ruru and I agree on the bottom of our readslist.
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Yeah, I guess I might change this list to maybe have pintu one tier lower. I always seem to paranoia-read him, thoughIn post 515, northsidegal wrote:{nsg}
{BlackStar, ruru}
{davesaz, Zoronos}
{HeWhoSwims, pinturicchio}
{Mathdino, the worst, HitAlt}
{ofrhz, jjh927, Something_Smart}
strangely enough, despite the positioning i feel like if i'm wrong on any one of these it'd be within the {davesaz, zoronos} group.-
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Math thoughts on the ability to spreadsheet-read blackstar?-
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Didn't I use this exact term earlier when describing jjh and his defense of you?In post 563, Zoronos wrote:Someone want to fill me in on what 'WK / WKing' means?-
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