Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[ofrhz]

I’ll sheep that

VOTE: NSG

[ofrhz]

ofrhz on the other hand I'm curious about.

He's probably not scum

bingo

in all seriousness, what would you like to know?

pedit: don't feel awkward. shitpost with me

[ofrhz]

Also why are you voting NSG

I wagon voted to see how she would respond. I think I have a better chance of reading her than Zoronos

[ofrhz]

*Zoronos, the other wagon

[ofrhz]

In 721 the dinosaur said that pressure voting NSG doesn't generate AI content though

Yeah that does ring a bell but didn't factor into my vote

[ofrhz]

Wow, I didn't expect the game to start today

VOTE: zoronos

why zoronos?

[ofrhz]

Her case on jjh is on point, making such a strong scumread this early is something I don't expect coming from scum

By “on point,” do you mean accurate (I.e. jjh is scummy) or the case is towny but not necesssarily accurate? Or both

[ofrhz]

I felt the question from ofrhz was heavily loaded. 'Why zoronos, defend your read?!?!', in essence. When he's let a variety of other naked votes pass by, he chooses that one to seek clarification. That he chooses to do so suggests, to me, there's meaning behind the specific action he's taking. From the seat of the person being asked about, both his question and JJH's defense feel deserving of similar attention. Ergo, I think people should be considering both if they're considering one. And if Pintu likes your case on JJH, I'd expect him to also be thinking about an ofrhz case. That he isn't does not give me warm fuzzy feelings.

It wasn’t intended to be a loaded question.

I assumed the other naked votes were RVS / votes that people didn’t want to explain at the time. BlackStar’s vote was on you, who had contributed a lot, so it was ambiguous whether the vote was based on something you had written or a random vote.

Even so, I’m not sure why you’d expect pintu to think my question was a loaded one when NSG did not and when NSG just said she didn’t.

[ofrhz]

VOTE: ofrhz

Aggressive

Ruru is probably town guys

[ofrhz]

Yeah yeah I’m reading

Why is zoronos town? @math

[ofrhz]

Yeah yeah I’m reading

Why is zoronos town? @math

Actually you can disregard this

[ofrhz]

I don't like the fact that he popped up as soon as we mentioned him or the fact that he hasn't tried to contribute anything so far, so I guess that makes him a scum lean. But if he's scum then it would make it much less likely that Zoro is scum. So I'm interested to see more of his posts

Ummmmm

I might be doing the thing where I flip out at someone for just not reading the thread (hi a50 xdddddd)

and yes, I didn't like that either

VOTE: ofrhz

Is this just because I showed up when I did

[ofrhz]

Hitalt, pint and something smart seem town to me. I'm not sure about anyone else yet

Could you go into these a little bit more

[ofrhz]

What’s an elli tell

[ofrhz]

ruru is probably town. I’ve played two games with her, one scum and one town, and in her scumgame, she was passive (in her gameplay), like I don’t think scum!ruru would vote me in big text like she just did. Her posts were also stiff in tone in contrast to her RVS entrance. It’s occurred to me that she could have fabricated her game entrance (a few other people were in the same Newbie 1859 game where ruru was scum, so it’d be extremely beneficial for scum!ruru to do this) but I don’t think it’s likely given the ad hoc nature of the content

NSG is town mainly for asking people why they think she’s town and the early case focusing on JJH, which I don’t think are things that don’t come from scum NSG.

I have a weak townread on HWS because 121, specifically paragraph 2 where he analyzed JJH’s vote

[ofrhz]

Hitalt, pint and something smart seem town to me. I'm not sure about anyone else yet

Could you go into these a little bit more

Their posts felt genuine to me. Hitalt and pint seem like they're really trying to figure things out. I'd add NSG and Ruru to that list too. After looking through Something smrt's iso again I'd drop them down to null now

Which posts by pintu did you like? From what I’ve read, they’ve been mostly reactive in nature

[ofrhz]

It felt like desperation to me. He wanted to act as if the vote didn't bother him and possibly change ruru's mind by acting as if he approved of the logic behind it.

What was desperate about it? Like what part of it seemed like I was acting versus actually not caring about the vote

[ofrhz]

Okay, BlackStar was not lying about not reading the thread

what makes you say this? i don't think the worst is so obviously town as to warrant this - in fact, i think blackstar is probably townier.

ruru is probably town. I’ve played two games with her, one scum and one town, and in her scumgame, she was passive (in her gameplay), like I don’t think scum!ruru would vote me in big text like she just did. Her posts were also stiff in tone in contrast to her RVS entrance. It’s occurred to me that she could have fabricated her game entrance (a few other people were in the same Newbie 1859 game where ruru was scum, so it’d be extremely beneficial for scum!ruru to do this) but I don’t think it’s likely given the ad hoc nature of the content

Also I don't understand why being aggressive would make him town. It seems like a weird reason to town read someone

He should have read my post considering he's the one who asked for my reads

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Blackstar

[ofrhz]

Okay, BlackStar was not lying about not reading the thread

what makes you say this? i don't think the worst is so obviously town as to warrant this - in fact, i think blackstar is probably townier.

what's towny about blackstar?

[ofrhz]

I’m here on mobile for a bit to talk while catching up

[ofrhz]

Did I just say mobile

I mean cellphone

[ofrhz]

First order of business:

Blackstar voters, justify yourself.

His classification of things as genuine or not genuine feels arbitrary and made up

finding a reason to scumread me in how I caught up in a large burst of activity but not considering the more likely alternative which is that I had a large chunk of time to sit down and play the game but have been busy otherwise

But probably by far the largest reason is that I have a hard time believing that someone read my scum game in Newbie 1865 like he claimed (my only finished scumgame on-site) and came to the conclusion that I could be scum this game. I kinda think the differences in my gameplay have already been night and day

I'm feeling pretty good about blackstar being town here. <snip>

and, reading the thread myself, i can

see

where his thought is coming from.

Could you explain which of his thoughts make sense to you? I’m guessing you’re not talking about his initial gut read of Zoronos since you had Zoronos as a townlean early

[ofrhz]

It felt like desperation to me. He wanted to act as if the vote didn't bother him and possibly change ruru's mind by acting as if he approved of the logic behind it.

What was desperate about it? Like what part of it seemed like I was acting versus actually not caring about the vote

"Ruru voted for me. She's probably town, guys!"
feels different from
"I can understand why Ruru scumreads me. If I was in their shoes I probably would too. I don't like the vote but I see where they're coming from. I think I town read Ruru."

I feel like a good deal of this is personality

and even if it wasn't, ruru didn't explain why she was scumreading me so I would never say the latter

[ofrhz]

@Other Open 721-ers

Thoughts on ofhrz here as compared to last game? Correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i remember in both of the games i've played with him people just considered him obviously town – obviously town to the point where i don't think i've ever really expended that much effort trying to read him, i just wrote him off as town.

Is the fact that i can't really write him off as town yet meaningful?

Elli-tell still seems valid here as well. He really hasn't been much of a presence so far – i should go back and check open 721 and 1859's early game postcount there to compare. (this is something math might want to do / have done already as well)

I was mislynched D1 in that game

[ofrhz]

ofrhz sure sounds a lot like ofrhz

And

actually not sure why this wagon is happening, can someone give me a hand?

Seems either like a scum with TMI-knowing it's a mislynch, or scum softly trying to steer the wagon.
Scummy posts anyway.

I have no reason to reverse my scumread on the duck.
I'd argue we can see scum!Zoro more easily after duck really flips scum.
Pintu legit feels like town.
One scum in ruru/orcfz is probable.
Blackstra is likely town, and the ones who have poked/voted there so far likely have scum in them, looking for a potential mislynch.

This caught my eye b/c you've locked onto the worst here, and I don't quite follow

Pintu in 386 also said I am playing a similar game to one of my town games, which is kinda similar to tw's 254. Could you explain how pintu has towntold?

HWS recently questioned why I'm being wagoned. What do you think of that?

[ofrhz]

Ruru please explain your ofrhz vote.

It's likely on scum

it's not

[ofrhz]

Md is kinda null to me, but lynching him now is super -EV

I actually thought davesaz's vote was kinda town?

like why draw so much attention to yourself by voting mathdino

[ofrhz]

hey pintu, got a tinfoil hat theory for me yet?

[ofrhz]

i need to actually get through blackstar's ISO if i want to do something there other than just sheep NSG

Did you get a chance to do this yet

[ofrhz]

@ofhrz What do you think about jjh?

I think him asking other people why they townread ruru was towny

I remember from Open 721? that it was town who tended to push back when ruru was being widely townread

He also has the same scumreads as me

Not much else stood out

[ofrhz]

[ofrhz]

tbh I think I'm being dumb with ofrhz. tonally she seems similar to our last game, but there's something awkward there.

also wagon motivation checks out

This feels like distancing and bussing at the same time

@pin- when and how did you start scumreading me?

[ofrhz]

ofrhz why are you voteparked on Blackstar?
Pintu why are you voteparked on Math?

I didn’t have any better scumreads

As it is, I’m rapidly losing confidence in my scumread of BlackStar

[ofrhz]

Now that dave mentions it

A joint ruru+ofrhz iso shows them barely interacting; a few NAI things at the beginning, ruru voting ofrhz for which barely any reasons get given (the quoted post is the only one it seems, which is not that strong) and ofrhz townreading ruru.

I get the impression these guys have played a few games together, right? Now I'm no meta expert by any means but wouldn't you expect them to be able to like, read each other better, in more detail than is happening now?

While odds of both being scum are obviously low, both of their latest posts haven't been stellar... I think. Discuss?

pedit: Said it before but I think I read Math saying his scumgame is similar to towngame, but he tries to leave the town-motivated parts out as good as he can. If anyone recognizes that... it might warrant a lynch.

Aren’t rurus reasons for scumreading me basically the same reasons why you’re voting for me?

I can elaborate more on my TR of ruru later in the day when I’m not on my phone

[ofrhz]

Honestly, I'm not sure who could be ohfrz's partner of he flips scum so I'm just trying to spark some discussion

I kinda townread this post

It also made me lol

[ofrhz]

VOTE: the worst

[ofrhz]

I also find this misleading, like ofrhz was obvtown (at least to me) in that game for the early part of d1, and got mislynched mostly due to some gamethrowy posts (especially softing VT when there was no reason to)

Also in that game ofrhz had awesome d1 reads and to some extent got scumread for being right

Sheep me then

I’m back to my regular schedule so my activity should go back to pre-vacation levels, in case people think activity is a useful tell (it isn’t)

You’re also scumreading me for the other thing and we can talk about it in depth once it no longer violates site rules

[ofrhz]

ofrhz if you aren't scum who is?

I'll give you a hint: we're not lynching me today.

My other scumread is pintu

And null reads are math, somethingsmart, BlackStar

[ofrhz]

Sheep me then

You can't be getting lynched for calling the whole scumteam d1 if you only have like one sr though

Why is tw scum

Basically this

scuse fucking you?

the fuck are you basing this on? I'm suddenly thinking you have no idea what I'm like as a player, and your BoP bullshit is raising more red flags than anything.

This feels like faked aggression.

I think he’s aware of his town meta where he tends to omgus so it would make sense for scum!duckling to fake this

[ofrhz]

Will you be here in a few hours duckling? I should probably work if I want to keep my job

[ofrhz]

I will don't get sacked because of me.

Btw did you answer which pronouns you prefer? I think the pronouns I use to refer to you have changed and IDK if I'm getting stupider

she/her is good

it's fine, i purposefully left it ambiguous

[ofrhz]

that wasn't an omgus reaction that was my knee jerk reaction

I haven't town told yet

my issue with it was that it seemed like an overreaction from an otherwise very nice duckling. maybe omgus wasn't the right word

i agree with the second part

[ofrhz]

Ok work is boring

My issue with BlackStar is him scumreading me for a couple of posts not seeming genuine but when I tried to talk to him about how it could’ve come off less disingenuous, he kind of just ignored it

And if you look at his iso, most of his posts are asking other people for their opinion of me or asking me. I kind of think he is tunneling on me for weak reasons. The tunnel can be from town though, especially one of the posts I quoted earlier kind of reads like “ugh I really think ofrhz is scummy but have no idea who else could be scum with her” which makes me think maybe he does actually think I’m scum instead of just faking the scumread

I would be interested in any of his other reads, especially if they go beyond tone

[ofrhz]

My other scumread is pintu

I'm curious about this

I’m actually not sure about this anymore because he just admitted things outside the game are affecting his motivation to play

[ofrhz]

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the open queue's first annual duck off

/in

[ofrhz]

I like this

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

His vote on my wagon was bad

He admitted his reasons for scumreading me were weak, yet tried to throw shade on ruru for having those same reasons

[ofrhz]

@ruru- newbie 1867 has finished if you want to talk about it

[ofrhz]

His vote on my wagon was bad

He admitted his reasons for scumreading me were weak, yet tried to throw shade on ruru for having those same reasons

Why's mine worse than any other?

I wasn't throwing reads at ruru. I was questioning because I genuinely thought ruru could have more of a read on you as it seems you have experience.

I think a part of the reason why ruru and NSG may have been scumreading me is because they’ve played with me in other games where I was town and I was a lot more active in those games. And I also recently had a couple of scumgames where, mainly because of being on vacation, I didn’t post as much. In the beginning of this game, my activity was pretty low, so I can see how they made the leap from low activity to a scumread on me.

I feel like math was just sheeping someone when he voted for me and he’s done this before too

BlackStar im not sure about because I was scumleaning him but I can see aspects of his tunnel that come from town. And I think his recent exchange with SS was towny

Between you and the worst, I’d rather wagon you tbh. I also don’t think tw’s vote on me stood out, like it never pinged me as coming from scum (I voted for him a few pages back for some other reason)

Pedit: @pintu lol yeah nacho read me like an open book

[ofrhz]

His vote on my wagon was bad

He admitted his reasons for scumreading me were weak, yet tried to throw shade on ruru for having those same reasons

Why's mine worse than any other?

I wasn't throwing reads at ruru. I was questioning because I genuinely thought ruru could have more of a read on you as it seems you have experience.

You say ruru’s reasons for scumreading me were weak, weak enough for you to subtly suggest a ruru/ofrhz scumteam, but your reasons for voting for me were literally for the same thing

It doesn’t sound like you actually believe in your reasons for scumreading me

[ofrhz]

You did that in 2 mins?

[ofrhz]

I think HWS’s vote was worse than the worsts tbh

[ofrhz]

That's actually part of why I didn't want to say much about my vote, because my mental model of ofrhz is that she doesn't post well when under serious suspicion as town

So I didn't want to interfere with her natural obvtowning if she's actually town

I see what you mean but I feel like the reason why I naturally obvtown is also why I got mislynched so I’m trying to not spew dumb shit too much

[ofrhz]

Ugh it’s painful how accurate that meta read is

[ofrhz]

Lynchpool: hws, pintu, the worst

Honorable mention to SS

[ofrhz]

I see what you mean but I feel like the reason why I naturally obvtown is also why I got mislynched so I’m trying to not spew dumb shit too much

Hmmmm

This post is awkward for scum to make, isn't it

Also if you're town please obvtown if only for a little while

I'm going to be paranoid of your slot forever if you don't

I’m town rooroo

Pedit: off the top of my head, I can’t think of anything that pinged me as scummy from SS. I also can’t think of anything that pinged as town.

Pedit again: I think your davesaz vote was bad and I don’t like how you keep bringing up your analysis of the worst’s vote like you’re trying to gain cred off that one thing. I also think town!pintu is a clever guy and I’m not seeing that here

[ofrhz]

pinturicchio - I will feel bad if RL is the real cause of the issues here. But it felt scum before that point.

If you think I felt scum before IRL reasons, why you didn't push me? You aren't pushing me right now either, why vote HWS instead of me? This seems like you are setting yourself for voting me when the opportunity comes, let's say, if someone starts a wagon on me. Start it yourself, or is that too much compromise? D2 would look horrible for the one who starts the wagon on the low hanging fruit.
VOTE: davesaz

There are any number of reasons why town!davesaz didn't push you but still could have had a scumread:
- Waiting to see how you play without giving a read, which would influence how you play
- In general, I feel like people push only one person at a time, which makes sense since after all we only have one vote. Dave was basically locked onto ruru for a while there, so I feel like it's not unreasonable for him to have sidelined you in the process.

this is also the first time davesaz brought up a HWS scumread too, and like... he can only start one wagon at a time. I didn't see any ulterior motive here besides giving his reads.

I think town!pintu would have realized this and not voted on davesaz so quickly.

[ofrhz]

was ofrhz in 1867?

yeah, for most of D1 before replacing out

newbie 1865

brbrb

if this is a good example of her scum game I am highly upside down in how I interpret ofrhz

definitely colder on her now but I've been getting colder anyway

WHO'S DIZZY DUCKLING NOW

[ofrhz]

Why not HWS

I'm not scumreading jjh though
I'm not sure about the obvtown argument, especially since it was so recently used against me lol. And idk if disengagement is AI for him

[ofrhz]

@pintu: yeah I could be confbiasing. I’m not seeing any better picks :/

[ofrhz]

I see what you mean

VOTE: hewhoswims

Does this mean we’re friends now

[ofrhz]

Someone should meta read him if he has scum meta

With the caveat that I both think meta is overrated and that I'm not great at it:
I feel his meta suggests town, and I think his earlier in the day phase play was a slight town lean. However, I think his play in the later part of this day leans scummy. So I'm not sure I buy my own town-meta conclusion.
But that's what the meta suggests, imo.

Do you mind elaborating on his meta

[ofrhz]

I could compromise on a tw lynch

Not really sold on scum jjh

[ofrhz]

Can people not voting please vote soon? I think most people have given their opinions on the current wagons and once everyone has voted, people will move their votes naturally

[ofrhz]

The VC hasn’t moved over the weekend so I gather not

[ofrhz]

Blackstar - What's your stance on JJH?
I feel like you've said you don't like the wagon composition on JJH, and I'm kinda of agreeing, but I think HWS is just on the towny side of null, so I'd like to figure out how to best reconcile to get some lynching going.

Like, my town bin is: You, ruru, ofhz, MathDino, NSG (lean), HWS (lean) and HitAlt (lean).
What's the best lynch we can assemble out of that green-list?

(Pintu has been demoted to Null)

How about this

VOTE: the worst

[ofrhz]

i don't cc.

[ofrhz]

VOTE: jjh

[ofrhz]

L-1

[ofrhz]

Yeah, I'm not sure what he was thinking if he's town

I also felt like he could have been trying to dumbtell on that page, reading line one and not line two of the three-line pagetop just seems a bit implausible to me

Now I'm wondering is tw still scum (assuming jjh scum)? I'm curious what in particular nsg saw as theatrical about them

I guess tw softing there makes sense if like tw is doctor and jjh is rolecop or something, tw gets the towncred when jjh flips and the stronger scum roles stay alive

Ugh I’m too tired to think this through but I’d like to know what seemed fake about jjh’s jk claim to duckling

[ofrhz]

I think we should wait for nsg to elaborate on the theater she saw before ending the day

[ofrhz]

Quack

Was there anything about his claim that you saw as fake besides his general scumfuckery?

[ofrhz]

The suspense is killing me

[ofrhz]

VC please

Jjh ded

[ofrhz]

The suspense is killing me

Vote counter:
Ofrhz (1): The Suspense

Thanks for making me look like a giggling fool at work

[ofrhz]

Inno the worst

[ofrhz]

jjh927 (6)

~

northsidegal, the worst, pinturicchio, ruru, Mathdino, BlackStar

1231

jjh927 (6)

~

northsidegal, the worst, ruru, BlackStar, HeWhoSwims, ofrhz

1346

Okay this is the most important part.

The first wagon is the one that got jjh to claim. The second one led to his lynch (I cast the hammer).

Notably:
- The most obvious busvote to me is pintu or TW. pintu is known to be a willing busser. TW busses when I'm around.
- ofrhz fills the spot of "lol let's pile onto my busted partner after he got cc'd"
- pintu on the other hand wasn't on the lynch wagon at all, haha. Possibly thought there'd be no cc?

VOTE: pintu
for now

Doesn’t this make pintu more town

[ofrhz]

What would you say the jailkeeper would ideally do?

I find voting for this d1 to be highly suspicious (ofrhz, davesaz)

He said this right around the PR discussion

[ofrhz]

does vca support scum!HitAlt? specifically him and jjh being on the same wagon for most of D1?

[ofrhz]

The VC right before the claim is also worth looking at imo

Sharing is Caring D1 VC #20

jjh927 (5): northsidegal, the worst, pinturicchio, ruru, Mathdino,
HeWhoSwims (3): davesaz, ofrhz, BlackStar,
the worst (2): HitAlt, jjh927,
davesaz (1): Zoronos,

Not Voting: Something_Smart, HeWhoSwims,

(expired on 2018-06-06 23:00:00)

Note: This will be my last VC of the day.
Reason: I ran out of digits on both hands and feet.

Other votes not reflected in the official VC:
BlackStar + Zoronos intent

Out of that list, not townreading pintu or Math.

I do think pintu could be bussing here. His agreement with NSG's early case on jjh seemed premature. (NSG's case turned out to be right in hindsight, but reading it on D1 before the jjh flip, it seemed kinda reachy at points). He also didn't vote jjh despite him seeming scummy, but based on quickly skimming Open 720, town!pintu was more willing to move his vote there, even if it was just for pressure.

VOTE: pinturrichio

[ofrhz]

Nah ofrhz seems to be just asking, like "hey I don't get that, could you explain?", jjh went further. But you're reducing NSG case only to the white knighting thing and there's more,

specifically the inconsistency about RVS; that part is what I most liked.

The RVS vote was the part of NSG's case he liked the most, but then...

1. The inconsistency comes when you say you want to get out of RVS as soon as possible, but when a player comes and takes you out abruptly from RVS, try to go back to it with an RVS vote.

Now, I won't lie, saying this out loud makes me think it's a silly way to look at that vote; jjh was basically greeting me 'cause I was late to the party.

This part sounds like pin was reconsidering jjh's RVS vote and perhaps no longer found it scummy, which would be a towny thing to do.
but later, he says jjh is still scummy 269, 1179, so it doesn't seem like he reconsidered after all, and has all along thought jjh was scummy b/c of NSG's case.

One of jjh reactions pinged me as scummy, and this time scummy could equal scum (different from my first perception about him at the begining of the game).

still no vote at this point

[ofrhz]

So the only reason I'd have jjh claim jailkeeper is if I thought I knew who the cop or vig was, and thus didn't HAVE to out them. I play scum very mechanically. Which is helped by the fact that I can claim the title of the best current PR hunter onsite.

I would never have gone through all that to out a useless jailkeeper and then shoot a VT NSG anyway. So on that basis I feel like I should be confirmed town (or at least, knowing everything I know about myself, I'm objectively confirmed town). I accept if you think I'd WIFOM that up, but part of the reason I shoot PRs as scum (rather than WIFOMing) is specifically so I'm allowed to make this argument as town when VTs get killed.

Is this slip within math’s scumrange

[ofrhz]

I know I shouldn’t drink on Sunday nights but was that your way of saying that was likely a genuine townslip? I’m struggling to parse that sentence

[ofrhz]

Oh I think I get it

Yeah math is probably town

[ofrhz]

Oh I didn’t get it after all lol

Who if anyone do you think was likely bussing on that wagon?

[ofrhz]

That would only matter if scum had pt access before game start

[ofrhz]

@A50 -- did scum have PT access before daystart?

*Cough cough cough* Come again?

Yes, the scum team had a their PT open in the pregame.

Also, as someone pointed out, the scum team does not have daytalk in this game:

I think this answers 1677

[ofrhz]

@A50 -- did scum have PT access before daystart?

for the record I agree logically speaking Math is super super unlikely to be scum (this is like the main reason I'll ever townread him)

Plz tell me you have an 100% success rate at reading math

[ofrhz]

I still have reservations about voting for him because he and jjh were on the same dead wagon for most of D1

I need to read his ISO because I don’t understand why town or scum would tunnel onto one person like this. But his recent posts read like dejected town. He’s not really fighting against his lynch, which would make sense as town because he doesn’t seem to have any other concrete scumreads to redirect town to

Basically if I had to pick a side, I think he’s probably town

[ofrhz]

Honestly I think he's like complaining about bayesian trust tells in the pt levels of likely to be town

I still have reservations about voting for him because he and jjh were on the same dead wagon for most of D1

Remember the eod1 vc in 1859?

You mean you think he’s scum?

I remember you and pin were both offwagon there. But you guys weren’t voting for the same wagon for like 80% of D1, you know?

[ofrhz]

Oh and we mislynched town D1 there so not sure how comparable that is

[ofrhz]

Honestly I think he's like complaining about bayesian trust tells in the pt levels of likely to be town

I still have reservations about voting for him because he and jjh were on the same dead wagon for most of D1

Remember the eod1 vc in 1859?

Were you talking about math or HitAlt in your first sentence? I assumed you were talking about HitAlt when I responded in 1707

[ofrhz]

might be re-reconsidering Hit
maybe
just maybe

Where are you at with this rn

[ofrhz]

I’m tempted to townbin math

That would mean a lot of my reads are probably wrong though

[ofrhz]

Just to be crystal clear, you think Zoronos is likely scum for being annoyed about math’s meta defense?

[ofrhz]

I remember you and pin were both offwagon there. But you guys weren’t voting for the same wagon for like 80% of D1, you know?

Hmm so is your idea that they would be doing something else because the wagon doesn't have enough interest?

I feel like there was plenty of interest and tw plausibly could have been lynched (and it would look less scummy than, say, opportunistically jumping on the town.you wagon)

Like what else would they be doing other than bussing jjh who they probably are reluctant to bus at a convincingly early time due to lack of daychat + him being framer

I feel like it's beneficial for scum to play that way if tw is town, and if that's true, then it's basically "too scummy to be scum"

I’m going entirely off of memory here but

I think interest in tw lynch was generated by HitAlt. So if both HitAlt and jjh were scum, I feel like jjh would have waited until there was express interest from others in lynching tw before hopping onto the wagon.

[ofrhz]

Nono I wasn't implying that at all

Him not really accepting it does make him a bit less town to me I guess

But I was actually just saying md is super likely to be town

Yeah I’m starting to agree about math

That makes the HitAlt wagon look enticing and would mean I’m likely wrong on pintu though

Did you have any thoughts on pintu

[ofrhz]

there was at least one other wagon that developed (hws) that neither of them jumped onto

But I kinda see your point. I guess if distancing wasn’t high on their priority list and based on the limited wagons presented, I could see them both voteparking tw

[ofrhz]

Why do you guys prefer HitAlt to Davesaz again?

Actually I just read davesaz scum meta and I don't like this wagon or the davesaz+pin theory anymore

Has anyone played with davesaz other than math?

How about this

VOTE: HitAlt

Could you elaborate on dave’s Scum meta

[ofrhz]

Have you had your coffee yet duckling? I don’t think anyone’s scumreading me

Or if they are, they’re being awfully subtle about it

[ofrhz]

Ofrhz, don't tell anyone else, but I secretly scum read you. That's why I claimed hypo-inno. To throw them off my tracks.
Don't tell Ofrhz especially, I need to hide my secret read from her.

Wait.
Shit.

It’s ok your secret is safe with me

[ofrhz]

Penny for your thoughts BlackStar

Especially if you have thoughts on Pintu or HitAlt

[ofrhz]

I thought it was TW

Why not just tell us

[ofrhz]

Are you okay

[ofrhz]

ʎzzᴉp lǝǝɟ I dlǝɥ zɥɹɟo

Could it be because you live in Australia and are therefore

Upside down

Ha

Hahaha

im so funny

[ofrhz]

VOTE: hitalt

[ofrhz]

What

[ofrhz]

VOTE: pintu

[ofrhz]

Hey ofrhz, what's your read on the worst?

He town

I have a hypo inno on him!

[ofrhz]

VOTE: the worst

Why?

[ofrhz]

I think that the posts inside this

this was the interaction

Spoiler:

I see that MathDino isn't cleared yet either. (although I still enjoy their posting very much)
Good for us in the end I think.
Scum will have to show some of their hand when they kill if we refuse to lock anyone as town.

Tell me when you guys agree that the worst can be lynched today, and I'll be around to unvote at L-1. (???)

Preflips are bad, Math voting me is questionable, I don't know what IIoA means and the worst is still a really good lynch rn

incorrect and we need to focus elsewhere

also

╭∩╮（︶︿︶）╭∩╮

You're still on ofhrz, which is still bad and one of the main reasons I scumread you

Who else do you think is scum

Have you read my posts? srs quessun

Have you read my posts? srs quessun

Yeah, but there's a lot of shit and I don't remember you saying who you scumread recently and an iso glance suggests that I'm right.

Who do you scumread that's not ofhrz

OK if you've read my recent posts I'm not sure why you'd bother asking me that question. If anyone probably you rn tbh

and it's shit and you can do better and you can also do better than your last one

You can do better than voting town

I don't think town avoids finding scum like you've been doing

I'm voting my strongest scumread ATM and have been putting about as much energy into this game as I can muster d1. I feel like I've been pretty open about how turned off this game I am and frankly who the fuck are you to BoP or criticise my playstyle?

VOTE: jjh927 flips red

Is that an ATE OMGUS combo

Make it look like TW vs JJH is SvS.

This is what I think.
Tell me why it's wrong.

I am not seeing it

[ofrhz]

Is anyone getting anything new from this 1v1 (1v2?)

[ofrhz]

We started out this dayphase with hitalt and Davesaz as math’s preferred lynches

[ofrhz]

Yeah I said that because pintu said this town is lazy

I think there are definitely not-lazy town in this player list

And no I’m not one of them

[ofrhz]

I suspect collusion between the duckling and the dinosaur

[ofrhz]

Ducks can fly right

[ofrhz]

I lied about the fun hats.

There’s something about this playlist promising swag and not delivering

I’m still waiting for my friendship T-shirt from BlackStar

[ofrhz]

Ok I’m done shitposting

Hi pintu

[ofrhz]

- Who says you're lying about mechanics? I think that you used mechanics to leave both HitAlt and me between a rock and a hard place. I mean look at this lazy town: you say "HitAlt and pin are the optimal lynches for today" and bam! Both wagons formed.

3. Mathdino knows about that, or at least I think he should know it, and that's why I said a couple of times that he used mechanics in his favour: he hypoclaimed an inno on Blackstar, and I'm pretty much convinced that both of them are the scumteam.

I mean

Your argument is basically "scum!Mathdino propped up two mislynches: HitAlt and pintu"

So basically if Math is scum, his strategy was to:

1. Propose dave and HitAlt as the best lynches for today
2. Start townreading Dave for no reason??? Why would scum!Math do this? Maybe if Math and dave was the literal scumteam but you're not even suggesting that right now.
3. Say Pintu is towny because something Pintu said was out of his scumrange (when literally no one else would have brought this up or even noticed it) and vote HitAlt
4. Then swing back around and say maybe scum!Pintu could've faked that
5. Townread HitAlt a little more based on his D2 posting and vote pintu (again, what is the motivation for Math backing away from HitAlt here)

...idk man. This progression doesn't seem to me as coming from scum. It's not at all obvious to me that he was trying to push you (pintu) from the outset.

The whole "Mathdino proclaimed an inno on BlackStar thing as a mechanic to save his scumbuddy" is kind of unbelievable as well considering NSG had only two strong townreads that I know of and BlackStar was one of them.

5. I assume that I was rolecopped last night, and that's why Mathdino has been so eager to push me, since he knew I would claim VT and that I was the most likely mislynch for today.

I don't think Mathdino as scum needs to literally rolecop someone to know they're VT, given his perfect record of identifying PRs to NK as scum. So even if you wanted to keep pushing the argument that scum!Mathdino chose this game of all games to NOT kill a PR, this logic still doesn't make that much sense.

If you're town and math is scum, I just don't think you were the easiest mislynch today at all. If Math wanted to pick on a VT to push through a mislynch, it wouldn't make sense for that to necessarily be you. But you seem quite confident this was the case.

Also scum!you couldn't have claimed cop. I think too many people picked up on the inconsistency between your BlackStar inno and your BlackStar null read.

so many pedits, don't have much time to read them

[ofrhz]

Is ofrhz non-mechanically sortable in this game

wait seriously?

[ofrhz]

at the risk of getting sucked into the whole "would scum!Math NK a VT" discussion,

while there is the possibility that scum!Math would NK a VT to advance his agenda this game, I think it's more probable that he didn't.

But scum is more likely to cling onto that sliver of possibility, push the argument that "math did nk a VT," and ignore the more likely scenario imo

pedit: people who noticed the inconsistency in your hypo inno weren't going to point it out because that would've been an anti-town thing to do

[ofrhz]

gg

Thanks for modding A50!