Open 726 - Revenge of the Vengeful (Endgame)
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Okay guys, let's go!
Before we start, I'll be selfish and establish a self meta
People tend to say I'm scummy because I "hop everywhere and get defensive" all the time. But hopping everywhere is my style and what do you expect from someone getting pressured, if it's not to get defensive for his life... If you don't like my style, okay, but fuck off with the scum reads lol.
VOTE: Enigma
Gl hf guys =)Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Counter vote, confirmed scumIn post 9, Enigma wrote:
ExcusesIn post 6, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Okay guys, let's go!
Before we start, I'll be selfish and establish a self meta
People tend to say I'm scummy because I "hop everywhere and get defensive" all the time. But hopping everywhere is my style and what do you expect from someone getting pressured, if it's not to get defensive for his life... If you don't like my style, okay, but fuck off with the scum reads lol.
VOTE: Enigma
Gl hf guys =)
VOTE: MarshmallowNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Hey, you know who's on my avatar! Definetly town.
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In post 13, Enigma wrote:Because his first post is to set up a defence for when he gets accused later in game
tbh woulda done it regardless of his RV
"but guayyys im behaving scummy not because im scum but but but because its how i always play"
How are you so sure he is town already from just one post?
VOTE: Not_MafiaIn post 15, Enigma wrote:he's only played a few games, have a look at his flips?Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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It's an awful opener, really? Tbh, it's my real feelings (even if I was never town on this site, btw I'm from sc2mafia.com) but worded in an intentionally horribly scummy wayIn post 17, Almost50 wrote:Enigma is T.O.W.N already. Not gonna jump the gum on MM, but that was an awful opener, my friend (and I don't need to explain more, do I? I'm sure you get where I'm coming from.)
Enigma is probably town for that lol. I was expecting that kind of reaction from a town, and I also expected a hard push from a scum, as in "Hey, look at that noob who just suicided lol, ez lynch".Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Hey, having only scum games is rough as hell, especially for a bad scum lol... plus apparently people don't enjoy my style here ^^ time to build my own meta!In post 18, Almost50 wrote:Hmmm.. maybe not!
OK...
@MM: AP is an alt of mine, NOW you undertsand what I'm talking about, Right??
Btw, I have hosted this exact setup at the Motherland (homesite if you prefer) and I would give this advice: Do not listen to the majority just to go under radar as town. That's a general rule, but in this setup it's lethal for town. The permanent chat will make scums coordinated, and it's their strenght but I believe it can also be their deathNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Rude. You assume that I am 1: scum 2: bad scum 3: stupid 4: have no respect for the game and its players.
Baaaah. Now I wonder if Cowbells didn't try to buddy me a bit though. However, the fact that he searched for me is quite townish... but again, we must not read for activity. Also VOTE: Almost50 I just realized voting N_M is not much productive ^^Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Danke.In post 23, Ankamius wrote:In post 7, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:@Ankanimus, is lynch mandatory?**Plurality rules are in effect. If the deadline passes without a lynch, the closest will be lynched.**Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Mhmm, and I do the same. I am just wondering. After all, doubting is our job lol.In post 33, RadiantCowbells wrote:Would you have preferred if I scumread you?
I mostly see openers like that coming from town.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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N_M neither though ^^In post 45, Rei wrote:Her vote on NM seems a bit empty
I don't see her posting anything else either
trying to get her to engage more I guessNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Try to be as active as possible, and to share your critical thoughts first. And please don't forget an evening xDIn post 48, TrinityNZ wrote:
I looked through the list of names and thought the person who named themselves ‘Not_Mafia’ was asking for a vote. So, a random vote.In post 45, Rei wrote:Her vote on NM seems a bit empty
I don't see her posting anything else either
trying to get her to engage more I guess
I’m probably on a different timeline to most of you (it’s evening for me here), so may not be able to post when you’re all at your most active. I usually wake up in the morning to a whole lot of posts, which I can’t do anything about until evening, because (a) I’m too busy in the morning just getting to work and (b) this site is blocked at work. So, you probably won’t hear much from me until evenings my time.
And I’m still getting to grips with how to play this game, so probably won’t post prolificallyNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Oh god... #misunderstandingslips. I thought you were talking about me and cowbells because I was under the spotlight and he was defending me somehow ^^ wasn't much clear. But why do you think that?In post 53, Almost50 wrote:
The bolded is indeed a scum claim. Why would you even think I was talking about you in that spoiler? I was merely referring to the fact 2 players haven't confirmed their roles yet and both I don't know so assumed they are new to the site. Thanks for letting you guilty conscience speak out though.In post 31, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Rude. You assume that I am 1: scum 2: bad scum 3: stupid 4: have no respect for the game and its players.
Baaaah. Now I wonder if Cowbells didn't try to buddy me a bit though. However, the fact that he searched for me is quite townish... but again, we must not read for activity. Also VOTE: Almost50 I just realized voting N_M is not much productive ^^Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Wait, no. It doesn't because you did not even refer to what you meant. Unless you intentionally made a double edged question...In post 55, Almost50 wrote:53 has the explanation.
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Yes do you even play video games lol? People call 5 years players noobs...In post 64, Almost50 wrote:
You thought I was calling RC a "noob"????????In post 60, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Oh god... #misunderstandingslips.I thought you were talking about me and cowbellsbecause I was under the spotlight and he was defending me somehow ^^ wasn't much clear. But why do you think that?Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Well, it does come from an inquiring town mindset!In post 65, Almost50 wrote:
So you read my response to you, acknowledged it was a "misunderstanding" on your part, went on to ask why I thought that way, then decided I didn't make my point clear still??? And why would you jump the gun and not wait for the person this was directed at to respond and see if they understood where I'm coming from??In post 61, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
Wait, no. It doesn't because you did not even refer to what you meant. Unless you intentionally made a double edged question...In post 55, Almost50 wrote:53 has the explanation.
VOTE: MM
This isn't coming from an inquiring town mindset at all!
You said you were talking about the two non-confirmers. But then I saw you had told him something else.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Yes lolIn post 72, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Did you mean enigma here?In post 62, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Also, I can state Trinity is a quite strong townread for me.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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HiIn post 79, Rei wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Marshmallow
Let's add some pressure, I don't like the replies to almost50 tbh
What don't you like? Elaborate please. Sorry for AFK btwNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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My own play? I'd say I'm fishing atm. What I said is is truth worded in a scummy way (especially the part about asking to stop scumreading me lol).In post 85, Enigma wrote:
How would you describe your current play right now MM?In post 6, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Okay guys, let's go!
Before we start, I'll be selfish and establish a self meta
People tend to say I'm scummy because I "hop everywhere and get defensive" all the time. But hopping everywhere is my style and what do you expect from someone getting pressured, if it's not to get defensive for his life... If you don't like my style, okay, but fuck off with the scum reads lol.
VOTE: Enigma
Gl hf guys =)
It will be interesting to analyze my train later. If you guys ACTUALLY lynch me (in which case, to you), please do that analysis.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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...lol. @Oath, what are your reads? What is your read on me and my posts, specifically?In post 86, Oath wrote:I feel like I should voteNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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A frantic scum who's trying to fix a slip he intentionally made in the first post of the game, appearing scummy intentionally?In post 104, Rei wrote:It looks like a frantic scum who’s trying to fix a slip, it might be just a townie who can’t express themselves but I don’t like how you said “unless its a double edged question...”
Also this is about your recent posts but why are you asking everyone what they think of you? How is that going to help you scum hunt
It kinda seems like a scum trying to see what people think of them but honestly I think town should be more motivated to ask about people’s reads on eachother rather than people’s reads on them
Because I look at how people react to my posts. As I said, I'm fishing. Waiting for people to potentially slip something is long, and can simply never happen. However, if I make intentionally scummy reads, I make myself LHF and see how people read. Don't worry, the reads on eachother will come
When everyone, or a lot of people, will have answered, I will make my list of reads.
P.S. the reason I'm doing that is that if scum try to get me down, I get my Vengekill... and murder one of them.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Hm, granted. But I maintain that point. Why the fuck would I do that as scum lol.In post 107, Rei wrote:
I didn’t say you’re making yourself appear scummy intentionally though, it isn’t necessarily intentional. If you’re saying you did it “intentionally “ then it’s a matter of whether we buy that or not.In post 105, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
A frantic scum who's trying to fix a slip he intentionally made in the first post of the game, appearing scummy intentionally?In post 104, Rei wrote:It looks like a frantic scum who’s trying to fix a slip, it might be just a townie who can’t express themselves but I don’t like how you said “unless its a double edged question...”
Also this is about your recent posts but why are you asking everyone what they think of you? How is that going to help you scum hunt
It kinda seems like a scum trying to see what people think of them but honestly I think town should be more motivated to ask about people’s reads on eachother rather than people’s reads on them
Because I look at how people react to my posts. As I said, I'm fishing. Waiting for people to potentially slip something is long, and can simply never happen. However, if I make intentionally scummy reads, I make myself LHF and see how people read. Don't worry, the reads on eachother will come
When everyone, or a lot of people, will have answered, I will make my list of reads.
P.S. the reason I'm doing that is that if scum try to get me down, I get my Vengekill... and murder one of them.
Um okay, I still don’t get how “intentionally acting scummy” helps anyone, if you’re a townie who’s being scummy on purpose then that just doesn’t help town, it confuses them more, thats not fishing.
It’s also not fishing when you ask people what they think of you, it would be more effective if the read came from them spontaneously because then we’d see who they push for/against, not just place a read because Marshmallow was asking everyone what they thought of him.
What are you fishing for exactly? A scum read on you? A town read on you? I doubt that helps anyone identify the evils especially after you admit you’re intentionally acting scummy.
No? Acting scummy starts the discussion pretty well because people start giving reads, thoughts and all on you INSTANTLY, and it skips the useless "throw shit on the wall and see what sticks" phase, because apparently that phase is not much used on here.
The more we discuss it, the less it is useful.... so I will plead the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America on that one.
Idem. I will comment that later.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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In post 112, Almost50 wrote:GDI RIP VCA LOLNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Oh, Vote Count Analysis. Sorry, I thought you just wanted to type 3 letter "words"...In post 116, Almost50 wrote:I came in expecting to see wagons, votes and unvotes... and instead I saw an unvote that brought all wagons to just one vote. Now, regardless of who gets lynched next and/or what their alignment is, at this point all VC analysis is IMPOSSIBLE, because there are no wagons to begin with. VCA is an essential tool in my scum hunting, and it's rendered useless already.
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The fate of the world... is in your hands.In post 117, Almost50 wrote:Notice that this is plurality. If nobody votes till the deadline MM gets lynched. Now what am I supposed to deduce from that? If he flips scum then I'm obviously confirmed a townie, but I very much doubt scum would let their buddy get lynched with just one vote on them, so if the day ends like this I'd be betting money on MM flipping town.
Now comes the WIFOM part: Is this what "they" want me to think? What if I unvote and someone else gets lynched and they flip town? What of MM flips red later on after my unvote? What if... (fill in as many crazy assumptions as you will)Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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List of Reads - Marshmallow Marshall
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Enigma. Reacted to my opening as I expected a townie to do. That, + the meta search.
Almost50. He tries to detail his thoughts as much as possible. I get a transparent feeling from him. He keeps a doubt at everything, has the healthy suspicion of a townie.
RadiantCowbells. He searched for me, but I wonder if he tried to buddy me or not. I get a town vibe from that slot, but with a slight forced vibe to it. Townish.
Not_Mafia. He's not different from the games I've played with him, and he was town in every of them. Slight slight slight townish lean.
Null - All the players I did not name, because of AFK or lack of contribution.
Trinity. The posts he/she made were quite null, and nothing could be extracted of them. They were devoid of life, I'd say. Cautious? Also CRAPPY BIRTHDAI TO YOU
Snowman. His first and only post stroke me as scummy, and he did not post anything else since then. Scummish lean.
MafiascumNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Ty Rei. I haven't made a mind on you yet. However, you may look at the current results of that strategy. List of reads, #126. I dislike the fact that you can't get anything global before quite late on this site. My strategy is somewhat experimental. But if you want to see my scum meta, just look at my previous games... they're all scum lol. Newbie 1868 being my first.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Above... but really really unsure. On 100, I give him 51 town points. Gut read btw.In post 131, Enigma wrote:
I can't quite figure out who is who/what/where with the discussion between Rei and MM. Had felt that MM scuminess was decreasing, though this recent dialogue is intriguing.In post 126, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:List of Reads - Marshmallow Marshall
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Enigma. Reacted to my opening as I expected a townie to do. That, + the meta search.
Almost50. He tries to detail his thoughts as much as possible. I get a transparent feeling from him. He keeps a doubt at everything, has the healthy suspicion of a townie.
RadiantCowbells. He searched for me, but I wonder if he tried to buddy me or not. I get a town vibe from that slot, but with a slight forced vibe to it. Townish.
Not_Mafia. He's not different from the games I've played with him, and he was town in every of them. Slight slight slight townish lean.
Null - All the players I did not name, because of AFK or lack of contribution.
Trinity. The posts he/she made were quite null, and nothing could be extracted of them. They were devoid of life, I'd say. Cautious? Also CRAPPY BIRTHDAI TO YOU
Snowman. His first and only post stroke me as scummy, and he did not post anything else since then. Scummish lean.
Mafiascum
So your list is missing Rei and Oath. Rei isn't AFK or not contributing? MM, I know you mentioned you hadn't made your mind up yet, but would Rei be above or below Null (by gut, if you don't have why yet).Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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YES!!!In post 128, Ankamius wrote:Do you guys like vote countsNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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It means happy birthday... lol..... also GET A CORRECT COMPUTER FOR GOD'S SAKE! Colors are there for understanding the order of reads and having the color associated to the read of every player I put there so you can just look at it quick and know what I think. I've never seen anyone tell me I was too clear with my colors...In post 135, TrinityNZ wrote:Marshmallow I can’t read most of those colours.
Also why would you wish someone a crappy birthday?!Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Care to elaborate?In post 138, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: NM
this is the lynch today unless we want to lynch someone else and leash the venge there.
Care to defend yourself?In post 139, Not_Mafia wrote:Snore
Of course.In post 140, RadiantCowbells wrote:we're using the full 14 days thoughNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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We don't want to get rid of our obvtowns though. We need people to lead town.In post 144, RadiantCowbells wrote:you actually lynch the fourth scummiestNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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That feeling is not hard, just a slight thought I have. You come to me as more townish than anything. You're not HIGH town though. Just townish.In post 146, RadiantCowbells wrote:MM why am I high town if you thought I was forced and potentially buddying you?
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Well, you're wrong ^^ I'm town.In post 147, RadiantCowbells wrote:idk generally scum don't -all- lurk generally when you get a lurker scumteam there's one scum in the actives serving as the face
i would say there's probably 2 scum lurking in {nm/iceman/trinity/oath} and one scum in the active players
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Based on who's list, though? 4th scummiest is usually tied with other scumreads, or simply non-existant.In post 150, RadiantCowbells wrote:fourth scummiest isn't obvtown...?Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Tbh, I agree with you... Since scum have a perma chat, they can plan during day. It's not like normal setups where D1 is the 14 first days where scum don't have any coordination.In post 156, TrinityNZ wrote:
Why is it a given that we need to use the full 14 days? Gives scum more time to create distractions.In post 140, RadiantCowbells wrote:we're using the full 14 days thoughNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Why do you want that? I want to make sure of your point.In post 161, RadiantCowbells wrote:because you want the highest odds of a townflip on a person that you want dead before start of day 3Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Hey hey hey! My terribly active game on other site (1000 posts a day, 48h days...) is over, so I will probably be more active as from now. Just saying = ) I haven't been here much, apologies for that.
Also, I asked people for reads on me. I'd like them to come before EoD...Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Elaborate please.In post 169, TrinityNZ wrote:
I’m reading you as town.In post 165, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Hey hey hey! My terribly active game on other site (1000 posts a day, 48h days...) is over, so I will probably be more active as from now. Just saying = ) I haven't been here much, apologies for that.
Also, I asked people for reads on me. I'd like them to come before EoD...Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Wtf, I just re-read the thread and found out that I had missed that post... Do you mean that you townread someone for saying hi? XDIn post 122, RadiantCowbells wrote:Slightly better feels.about her two posts than anything from the othersNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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...as a reason to vote someone?In post 178, IcemanCh wrote:
You're a turd.... thought that was self explanatory?In post 82, RadiantCowbells wrote:It was a very strange vote on meNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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You read N_M in the same way that you read Almost50??In post 179, IcemanCh wrote:reNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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I've thought about it last night. Every single time I played a game where people tried to put up a new voting way that would go better with the setup and was not dicted by setup, town lost. Every time. It draws too much attention, and causes a shitstorm if IIOA. Scum hunt only starts on D2, usually, and is low. D3 is like D1 if noone had asked anything. So I believe the "vote scummiest person and push that person", aka the good ol' way, is what we should do.In post 180, IcemanCh wrote:So this is my first veng kill game. Right not I feel a pretty solid read on Oath as being scum. So the questions I have are below.
1. Do we lynch like a normal game? RC kind of suggested that we do not do this and we lynch the next scummiest person.
2. How do we push someone to get more solid reads based on my first question? Do we just assume they are scum and pressure the second scummiest? That way if the second scummiest flips town they have a scum target they can hit for sure?
Sorry, the lynch dynamics in this game setup are just different and I'm trying to get a grasp of them.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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For me, it is somehow a "fake confusion" from you. Idk, it doesn't feel genuine, natural.In post 181, IcemanCh wrote:
It was an RVS vote and opener. I've played with trinity in the past and was just saying HI I SEE YOU. Same thing with RC but, that game was a toxic drama fest so.... I called him a turd and voted him.In post 77, Rei wrote:
Can you clarify the trinity part? Why does it seem like a good idea?In post 56, IcemanCh wrote:Hey guyz. Checking in. I'm currently driving straight from Utah to.South Carolina with no stops...... so I'm a bit tired.
With that being said I think I might be able to slightly clear the clouds from my head.
I'm torn. I want to vote RC cause he's a turd but I also want to vote Trinity cause I just done playing a game with them and it seems like a good idea..... what to do.
VOTE: RC
And what made you go with RC over trinity afterall
Why does it strike you as odd that I would post this? Seems a weird thing to latch on to but, several people did.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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I mean even for a RVS vote, it felt forced.In post 187, IcemanCh wrote:
Of course it's not genuine/natural it's an RVS vote. It's completely contrived and pulled out of one's butt.In post 186, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
For me, it is somehow a "fake confusion" from you. Idk, it doesn't feel genuine, natural.In post 181, IcemanCh wrote:
It was an RVS vote and opener. I've played with trinity in the past and was just saying HI I SEE YOU. Same thing with RC but, that game was a toxic drama fest so.... I called him a turd and voted him.In post 77, Rei wrote:
Can you clarify the trinity part? Why does it seem like a good idea?In post 56, IcemanCh wrote:Hey guyz. Checking in. I'm currently driving straight from Utah to.South Carolina with no stops...... so I'm a bit tired.
With that being said I think I might be able to slightly clear the clouds from my head.
I'm torn. I want to vote RC cause he's a turd but I also want to vote Trinity cause I just done playing a game with them and it seems like a good idea..... what to do.
VOTE: RC
And what made you go with RC over trinity afterall
Why does it strike you as odd that I would post this? Seems a weird thing to latch on to but, several people did.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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You're pretty right. The only way of lynching that is not the normal one that I would support is, MAYBE, RC's. But I still believe we should stick to lynch the scummiest.In post 190, Almost50 wrote:
Every single approach you may come up with (regarding Venge kills) is subject to WIFOM manipulation.In post 188, Enigma wrote:I don't support a lynch on Marshmallow atm.
To be honest, don't like either of the two wagons atm (and my vote is on a wagon).
Leashing the vengekills is problematic. It ruins later VCA and lets scum hide in the shadow whilst town do the dirty work. Plus as N_M says, vengekills aren't a democracy and there is no way to see it through.
Ideally, we have two competing wagons for probable scum - where the targets are both voting for each other. Then they can vengekill each other Then we can come up with two new competing wagons for top two for the next day (with the added knowledge post-flip) and repeat.
There are probably about three people I wouldn't mind being one of the two wagons, though will hold onto that for now since we still have some time to see where everyone else is heading.
2 wagons on 2 townies = to town deaths
1 wagon on scum and one on town leading to town lynch is the only one that works (but we won't know that before the two flip)
1 wagon on scum and one on town leading to scum lynch = scum can decide to kill the townie (same as above) or kill someone else, leading us to believe the other wagon was on another scum instead
2 wagons on scum = scum will kill someone else (same as above)
The last 2 mean that we don't really know if the one that didn't get lynched and didn't get vigged is town or scum, because once we see the lynched flip we may assume they spared a partner, but then maybe tha's exactly what they wanted us to believe and we won't be able to tell until the other is flipped.
So, the only way this works is if we have a scum wagon vs a town wagon and then we lynch the townie of them.
Now RC suggested lynching 4th scummiest person. If that flips town they take the scummiest person with them = higher probability of hitting scum
If they flip scum they still take the scummiest (good for us, as it works as a town Vig for scummy slots) or picks someone globally TR'd which keeps us with the scummier players to lynch.
I haven't really thought it out (i.e. didn't put my head into all possibilities and probabilities) but on face value I fancy RC's approach more (although I will follow whatever the majority decides because I don't really have a magical solution that is 100% guaranteed to work)Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Well, half of N_M's posts were about ISP term, but he actually expressed a legitimate concern about leashing vengekills, which is 100% right. He doesn't feel like the previous games I played with him. Unless it's because I'm town now o.0Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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What is that supposed to mean?In post 197, Oath wrote:In post 155, Oath wrote:Hey.
I like you too.
Gut reads one of Rei/Marshmallow is scum for suresies
So VOTE: ReiNorweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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I agree. VOTE: Oath Btw you have gained town points for your stream of posts. I'll post another list of reads tomorrow... with simple colorsIn post 195, IcemanCh wrote:VOTE: Oath
If we are not using any strategy to votes/veng kills then I think we need to put pressure on Oath. Only three posts and zero content.
@Oath what are your reads? What do you think of the current game state?Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.