Open 736: Diffusion of Power - Game Over

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post #201 from M&Ms

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I actually think that I think that A50 is the scummiest person in this game right now. I'm not 100% sure that I do actually think that, but I suspect that I do.

I don't think putting much focus on me (or M&M or Cmod for that matter) is healthy for the game. The 3 of us are not going to be lynched today for mechanical reasons. Feel free to push me all you want on D2, and you can take notes from now (just keep them in a text file so as not to clog the thread with unnecessary posts). Tomorrow I'm practically a VT, and while it's still suboptimal to lynch me it is still a better option than risking a lynch on a TPR whose action is on -say- N3 or N4.

Just my 4 cents (inflation accounted for, and taxes included).

P-edit: I'm crazy. That's a fact. But I don't think I'm THAT crazy. (Or maybe I am? Scum can take a chance and test it for themselves).

If you're town and lying about your N1 doc say so now.
I have the game solved and I'm going to hold off till tomorrow to make things easier for me.

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2- If you have things figured I would appreciate if you at least pushed for the lynch of someone who will flip scum (Carca is a good lynch IMHO)
3- I do not understand why you might think I'm bluffing here, nor do I understand why you would want to hold off till the next day. I am NOT going to question your motive or thought process though. God knows I sometimes want to yell at some players for questioning something I'm doing before it comes to fruition. I'm just saying that when you're done doing what you're doing I would very muchh appreciate an explanation. Thank you.

I am pushing for the lynch of someone who is flipping scum.
I am making sure because the benefits of you fakeclaiming N1 doc to keep me alive are gone: the game is already over. I need to be alive as conftown to win this though.

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Like if you're lying I'll just spill the beans and do things the

hard

way but I'd rather not do that I'd rather just lead my lynches as conftown and collect a huge commission.

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I just need time.

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I mean, I don't really need time.

I just want everyone to hurry their asses up and lynch Carca so it can be tomorrow.

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I understood exactly why you would have made the claim as town, it just didn't really sink in until I thought you were town.

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L-2

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jk it was L-1

ty for doing business

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(no it's actually L-1 but someone should remedy that

posthaste

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That's not a penguin

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nor am i trying to pl you or whatever; in fact i'm strongly encouraging you getting conftowned tonight so that if you're town we'll all just know that's a thing and can move along with our existances

It's the same thing.

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Creature, can you be useful in a game with me for once in your life and hammer?

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Reminder that Gamma is the #sole living question mark# in terms of my readslist and if there's a cop to get a result on them it would be amazing

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i think that she's scum regardless of her role PM

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getting waffle stomped down the lynch drain again but what I really dislike is how everyone is just completely gonna ignore M&M because we’ll cop them anyway

this is a literal scumclaim again btw
'ignore M&M because we'll cop them anyway'
like if I was scum getting copped I'd get lynched
this spews that she knows that I'm town and is still frustrated with the fact that I'm not gonna be lynchable, so scum

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Im not really feeling this carca wagon tbh

you can mislynch town who say stuff that you don't approve of after I'm dead

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Im not really feeling this carca wagon tbh

maybe I could do Gamma

creature can you not gamethrow

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Carca why do you have to be a scum butt

you know you still love me

i'm just going to copy and paste this for the rest of the day phase

because she literally claimed scum.

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Skitter is actually the lynch tomorrow: I don't think that she's more than 5% scum but I legitimately think we're more likely to consecutively lynch scum by removing her vote from play.

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Carca why do you have to be a scum butt

you know you still love me

note that carcalilly literally claimed scum

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You're making this game incredibly frustrating for me too.

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Im not really feeling this carca wagon tbh

maybe I could do Gamma

creature can you not gamethrow

For sheeping you on Gamma?

Carca literally claimed scum.

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Carca why do you have to be a scum butt

you know you still love me

you know that you still love me (in spite of me being a scum butt)
note that I do not in fact love this user, please don't aristophanes me

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Skitter let's just talk tomorrow when I'm confirmed town and see if we can work something out when you can't just dismiss everything I say.

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Stand by Gamma as best cop choice for any sundry cops as he is currently the person that I am townreading that I am least certain on and the inno is worth far more than a guilty at this point in the game.

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Creature, do you wanna hammer scums

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Carca why do you have to be a scum butt

you know you still love me

you know that you still love me (in spite of me being a scum butt)
note that I do not in fact love this user, please don't aristophanes me

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I'll explain and I'll use small words so that you'll be sure to understand, you warthog faced buffoon.

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And by small words I mean really large words.

Oh, you mean *this* gate key.

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Yes, she claimed Mafia Goon.

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she's obviously going to claim n1 cop to deter her being lynched today

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like this isn't a game where u like need claims lol

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time for the wagon to unravel and town to get wagoned instead? I can't maintain this push over several rl days and with skitter and you misreading everyone and NM derptunneling PP its gonna be hard

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well since i already called u out on night 1 you chose the next night

good for you carcalilly, good strategic planning

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u know full well u weren't hammered

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you're so fake lol

if carca believed she'd been hammered there would be a lot more caps n shit

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if anyone believes this im gonna slap them

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she knows

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hmm



UNVOTE:

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this game is way too hard

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this game is like stupidly hard

i don't like it

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VOTE: Implosion

ok ok this never stopped being scum let's just lynch it and we can sort out other people later
i'm tryna like figure out the team around him and nothing really makes sense to me

i guess like lovebird can be scum with anyone but

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Carca why do you have to be a scum butt

you know you still love me

i'm just going to copy and paste this for the rest of the day phase

because she literally claimed scum.

so did penguin

man u need to stop fucking scumreading me miss

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OK
you're going to mislynch D1
I'm stepping out of the thread until you do

I'm claiming a guilty on implosion, but I know how towns operate and I'll just leave you to whatever townie you want to lynch until I'm conftown and can start lining up lynches to solve the game.

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Trying to carry weak towns is pure mental anguish.

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Actually fuck it nah

creativemod1 check Implo for me to confirm that he's scum

don't trust you guys to sheep me even with a confirmation that i'm town.

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See you all tomorrow bye.

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the d1 claims are going to be the only reason we stand a chance of winning this game.

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Because Implosion is scum. I was literally drunk when I unvoted him and as soon as I looked at his ISO again I was like yeah this guy is lockscum.
Lovebird is a 'safe' lynch in the sense that it's going to unoffensively hit town and it's exactly what's going to be lynched
it's not worth the toil for me to fight this town, i'll let everyone get the bad decisions out of their system today and lead tomorrow.

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And ok carca
but what you don't realize is
that when towns are bad the only way to save the game is to be willing to make it a crap hole
and nowadays I just don't have it in me to put in the effort that's necessary to keep people on the straight and narrow

I leave this thread you will mislynch 100% of the time but I just can't do anything else because this is already taking up too much of my time and energy so


@PP Lovebird has hard flaked from town games as well.

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Like literally playing to win as town is so goddamn exhausting to try to get a lynch through on anyone who isn't the absolute most vulnerable player in the game nowadays
like carca so easy to get votes on because she's carcalilly but actually trying to wagon a player who would both be scum and competent scum? impossible

no wonder kats's approach (even without the ability to consistently fakeclaim guilties) is to literally just claim guilties whenever he wants someone lynched cuz you just can't do anything else
I don't have the energy for this shit man! everyone just wants to wagon people like lovebird/nichcage or randomidget or alonzo for being different, no one wants to find scum.
and MAYBE, just MAYBE lovebird is scum... but like I'm not counting on it at all.

okay, maybe that’s your way of doing things and I respect that but honestly it’s making it harder for me, at least.
I just think you’re looking at this way more complexly than it needs to be

I'm trying to win this game, from here, as close to 100% of the time as possible.
You're trying to wagon the weakest players (lovebird today) consecutively and hope that it wins you the game eventually.
About 60% of the time it won't. And that 40% wr really isn't good enough for me but fuck I can't do this every day phase of every game.

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Creativemod promise to check Implosion so that I can sit out of the thread and still have a fairly good chance of winning later.
His townflip can be treated as a guilty on me, if I'm bussing you have many day phases to figure that out.

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his trajectory of being this confident on this many people in the way and order that he has is probably more likely to come from scum, though there were some other things from him I thought were weakly town.

hahahahahahahahah

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if you selfvote and get everyone to help me lynch you we'll put creativemod1 back on me, sure?

I just don't have the energy to bulldoze this through.

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when ellitool was all the rage I designed my own. I used it on exactly 6 people, Implosion is one of them. what makes him scum is the overappearance of certain words in his ISO.

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thursday actually, not that it matters much.

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jk that ain't me

it would be nice if i could say that.

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he is still scums tho

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i'm interested to see if you can actually mislynch us implosion

leggo

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LOL

WASN'T A BAD VOTE OR ANYTHING

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if you're voting me you're a bad player or scum flat out.

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if you're voting me you're a bad player or scum flat out.

I mean this is true.
no one has put a quarter of the gamesolving effort into this game that I have.
eighth?

if you're just going to ignore that and vote me because my scum game is good that really does, at best, make you a bad player.

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I just made that up because it allows me to get the lynch without effort but I wouldn't disgrace my name by saying that I cheated even just to get a scumlynch through.

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This is RC lol Postie isn't like this

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Is it possible for all scum to be in

PP
Spaghettioso
Nicholas Cage
NM

with

MM
Bujaber
Implo
Skitter
Almost50
Gamma
Carca
Creature
Creativemod1

all town?

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Amusingly I do have a word frequency count tell on Implosion related to the word 'just'
but he only started triggering it after I replaced in and I'm wondering if it's more of a stress thing than a scum thing

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Why is NM in there?

Because I have better reasons to townread everyone else rn

if I had to vote anyone it would be spoogh i think

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It's Penguin, Gamma and someone else

Probably me

this is the thing that most concerns me tbh

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starting to think spooghettioso is the best lynch here
like everyone i've scumread so far has ended up doing something to make me doubt that

and that makes me think I just wasn't really trying to read whoever scum is
so LB/Spooghettioso/PP/NM

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i mean it could just be penguin + 2 lollurkers
but i honestly think penguin scumflip gives NM more scum equity

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I just made that up because it allows me to get the lynch without effort but I wouldn't disgrace my name by saying that I cheated even just to get a scumlynch through.

And yet you fake guilties? Like that’s not as bad a lie tbh. I had someone fake meta on me once to lynch me, and all that I did was give them a stern talking-to

My standards for actually claiming guilties are pretty hard to meet. this game or others games where I don't actually claim guilties don't count.

honestly the more I think about it the more the LB slot hurts my brain
it either needs to be lynched or someone real diligent needs to replace init

i'm more enthusiastic about lynching spoogh rn than anyone else.

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postie has a very, very strong opinion that Spoogh is faking their newness which I agree with, I just did'nt necessarily think it made them scum until I ran out of other scumreads.

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not sure if she's capable of the reach out to me as scum.

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So I actually do have second thoughts about clearing Carca and maaaybe Implosion (still like 90%+ town on him? I think I can more confidently scumread than townread him)

but not about

RC
Skitter
Creature
Gamma
Almost50
Bujaber
Creativemod1

which gives us a game solve

put Implosion in the almost never scum pile

then

Carca
PP
Nicholas Cage
Spooghettioso
NM

NM is the one I'm least enthused about but I'll vote anywhere there I think
Spoogh is +++++

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Postie has not posted, we're talking on discord right now though.

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wh4t

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ok

RC
Skitter
Creature
Carcalilly
Almost50
Bujaber
Creativemod1
Implosion

that's the townblock from now on

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carca would be first removal but I'm definitely good not lynching her today

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The way I see it there's only 1 real situation in which Gamma is scum and that situation is where Gamma is scum with PenguinPower and got pissed because they claimed to be bussing him.
because they were actually bussing him kinda deal.

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No it was actually a right game situation I was just saying what to the whole implo/bujaber scumteam which does me a big confuse frand.

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is it bad that of that PoE penguin makes so much sense as scum but I just don't want to lynch Penguin because he's so great to be around

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and like gamma/PP might be the missing piece to the puzzle of why I can't figure out who the scumteam is because it explains so much

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that's it

i'm modding easy mode mafia

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implosion is definitely scum we should lynch him

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this game is just way too hard

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Grr
Even without PP scum, does that replace out necessarily make Gamma town? Like asdfkjasdgl;kjasdfl;j

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NM

Nicholas Cage
Gamma
PP
Spooghettioso

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I want to lynch in {Spoogh, Gamma, PP} I think

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I want to lynch in {Spoogh, Gamma, PP} I think

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Condition for me being copped is a lynch in that pool.
Otherwise cop is going on Gamma.

Good deal gents see you later.

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if you scumread me for systematically pushing people for rxns then you really don't know how to read me

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Like if I wanted 'lynches' I could have had them eons ago
The fact that people do things that scare me off wagoning them should indicate that I'm town or at least trying really hard to pretend to be town as opposed to scumreading me for getting cold feet about wagons

@Gamma
She just went to bed I'll have her actually post that in thread because it's something she was -enthusiastic- about.

also trying to get the cop off of you is incredibly fucking scummy

is it? you realize I've never agreed to being copped before in like, site history except 1 game where I was town and was saying it to try to make it not happen because I thought I'd definitely get checked if I didn't agree to it. Ask N_M how I feel about being copped in a general sense, he modded Be Yourself. I was enthusiastic about it when I thought I was close to having the game solved, now not so much.

In the next game we play in I'll be back to telling people to fuck off if they suggest people copping me and all will be right with the world.

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I’m going to write in my notes that it’s completely impossible for skittem&m to exist

you would have said this the same game that we actually were SvS too then.

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Particularly given the 'oh you wagoned my scumreads' and I ended up coming to the same conclusion that they were town that you did on... most of them
this is how I sort people when the answers aren't readily apparent, I wagon people and see what comes of it.

the fact that you can only see the scum possibilities and not the town possibilities is kind of depressing.

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It's about the calibre of distance play, not the specifics of it. Maybe Keychain/myself in Mod is Mafia is a more obvious comparison but I stand by the statement.
Skitter, how does our next game go once it's mod confirmed to you that I'm town here? How does your approach to me change?

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mislynche(s)?
why wouldn't I have, like, lynched someone by now?

In return any available n1 cops you m&m

No.
Creativemod1 cops me.
Any other available cops on Gamma plspls. Most informative flip of the game.

uh idk i'll figure it out then

right now i don't townread you

you feel like incredibly different here from sneks too which isn't helping. like if i could at least see parallels between your play here and there i'd feel slightly better about you but i don't

I am incredibly different because Sneks was an incredibly easy game and confident and in control RC feels different from trying desperately to get a solid footing RC.

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uh idk i'll figure it out then

It's an important question: can I expect you to just stop pushing me until much later in games in the future if you're town here? (and assuming I'm town, but I am)

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ok

RC
Skitter
Creature
Carcalilly
Almost50
Bujaber
Creativemod1
Implosion

that's the townblock from now on

What if anything here do you have an issue with implo

Besides me obviously

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Wow I'm that low. Like my own category

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Iyo what percent of the time am I scum?

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I'm going to start asking for percents when u scumread me to make a point.

You think that 4/5 times im scum despite the fact that I'm scum 25% of the time probability wise? Doesn't that feel like you're overestimating your ability to read me?

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My point is

You scumreading me this hard definitely does not make me scum 4/5 of the time and you should understand that

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Like at best if you were realistic you'd say 30%..

I'm not creature or NSG

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Firebringer is the gold standard of reading me, or was? And him scumreading me was no more than 30% scum but that still put him light years ahead of anyone else. You overrate the correctness of your reads badly if you think that I'm ever 80% off of your read, but that's the end of this discourse for now.

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I'm asking you exactly how many times out of 100 am I scum here?

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At 100% null I should be 25%

As your by far strongest scumread, how often do you think your read on me is actually right?

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Keep in mind that for the vast majority of people, I'm scum a higher percentage of games they call me town than games where they call me scum. And you are absolutely part of that category. Does knowing that really not give you any hesitance about tunneling me like this?

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still prob like 80 times out of 100

i really don't think you're town here

If I'm town can I say that you're... pretty dang arrogant for thinking that you can read me that confidently despite your past success record? Like if you're right on me you're claiming to be basically alone in a category of people who successfully confidently scumread me. Is this really your self image of yourself? Like idk dudette.

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Anyway, I'm just gonna work myself up as are you.

VOTE: spooghetrioso for now.

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try it, then.

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a lot of people have come along who have professed the ability to read me accurate and they have

universally

failed.

I don't particularly enjoy playing scum anymore but I maintain my scumgame out of a sense of obligation. I would be very happy to get to the point where my scum game becomes actually sortable by someone. but I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not going to commit self sabotage to make that day come faster.

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people have thought of that before but they haven't started, like, actually taking scum games off me.
a lot of people have started derptunneling me in 100% of games though because it's apparently a substitute for being able to actually read me or deal with me sanely.

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it's very edifying for me because it tells me a lot about what your state of mind is, I appreciate that it probably doesn't have any reciprocal benefits.

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congratulations! now in the future when you correctly scumread me no one is going to take your read seriously, and that's the problem with all the people who would deal with my scumgame by trying to lynch me all the time. no one's going to give a shit next time either of you call me scum. scum!me wins every time that you derptunnel my towngame.

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and that's the beauty of having literally no one that can read me correctly- there's really no rational reason why anyone should listen to you because everyone knows you can't read me.
everyone also knows that everyone else can't read me, so I don't really have effective defenders either, but it's just a soup of apathy towards my slot.

it's enough to keep me alive as scum, but unfortunately as town whenever I'm too scary scum can gang up on me and then I'm out of the picture.

the thing about giving a 30% scumread is that if I'm wrong, I don't actually lose a large amount of credibility if i call you scum more strongly in a future game.

the flip side is of I'm right, I also don't gain a large amount of credibility.

It's enough for me to discredit you in future games as either alignment. which I will do. if you want your read to be taken seriously start correctly townreading me first.
which was the advantage firebringer had, that he usually correctly read me as town so his scumread meant something.

how the hell do you have 5x as many posts as me ...?

because I am trying very hard to find the solution to this game in spite of your best efforts to stymie that.

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if I don't play like this I just get inertia lynched generally so I'm required to play the game at an obscene pace and solve it quickly
the pace of my posting is generally directly correlated to how under fire I am in a game.

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It's the truth. Before my scumgame caught up to me I, like, just didn't get mislynched. If my scumgame wasn't hanging over you, you'd agree that I was obvtown for this game as well. Only scumread once as town in an anon game and I was brutally drunk.

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So maybe my bitterness over the gradual transition to 'oh RC is scum every game' will make sense when you realize that I started out as someone mislynched less often than Northsidegal
Even during the year I actually had the scummy I didn't get mislynched a whole lot. This started in 2017.

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I'm dying at how sad I was about Postie being scum in the one game that ended right around then. I was legitimately traumatized at the time.

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PP would you be upset with me if I voted for you?

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PP would you be upset with me if I voted for you?

What if we go back to the gamma bus

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I can't vote for someone saying I make the game fun for them so that's off the list

I dunno I guess we could just lynch lovebird for 0 posting but the broad support says to me that they are town

I can't solve this game

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I'm the one getting copped I get absolutely zero info from no lynching
I also die before most of the results are in so I don't get help solving

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I wish NSG or someone was in the game so they could obvtown and solve the game for me.

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A50 what's your readslist?

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Suppose I can't get you to vote Gamma then, sadly.

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I'm starting to feel less good about lynching Spooghettioso again

{RC
Carca
Skitter
A50
Bujaber
Creativemod1
Creature}

is looking like my 7P poe pool

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I just thought of something but I'll keep it to myself for now.
@PenguinPower: you claim to have some sort of meta for why Lovebird is scum: can you explan it?

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I mean I've said this several times but I think I finally have answers.

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creativemod1 target me regardless of who we lynch today

I need conftown status to win this game again.
I think that Gamma is the highest equity lynch right now.

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Okay, but given that they outright flaked from the slot and have done that at least once as town before I don't think it's particularly indicative one way or the other.

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viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76567

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particularly given that she outright site-flaked as opposed to just, like, not posting anymore in this specific game.

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I don't agree with you at all but we're sheeping me tomorrow no matter what.

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You're not going to like the direction that I lead town in but I'm going to hit scum tomorrow.

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VOTE: Spooghettioso

This is a safe lynch that has decent scum equity, it's where I would like to go most for today.

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I may or may not have been not sure

Today is a comp day I don't demand sheeps nor promise a scum flip. I will start the carrying tomorrow

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Creative there is a scum who is a universal or near-universal townread who will never be lynched if I don't get cleared and get to put the weight of my name as conftown behind it.
Instead of thinking of it like that, please just trust me to be able to win this game for you as conftown.

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Like if you're not going to cop check me, I want to be able to leash your cop check outright to ferret out said scum.
And in that case we're still disadvantaged tomorrow because we'd be able to lynch them AND have an inno on me if I was the check, versus the guilty not conftowning me.

Does it really suck that people's treatment of my slot is fucked up? yes. it does. but that's not your problem and we can't solve it this game.

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check skitter30 then.

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but checking me is a strictly better strategy.

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I would prefer not to have to go through the bloodbath that it will take to lynch her here: you will enjoy the game far more by clearing me and letting me lead on her than by having to deal with a brutal 1v1.

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It's the townpool + skitter who I didn't really feel like calling out until I was conftown but I am putting it on the table if CreativeMod1 refuses to cop me. it has to be out there.

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Like I'm not even going to bother to case her because A50 and Implo and co. are always going to scumread me more than they scumread her without me being conftown.

this is going to be another painful night isn't it

No, because I'm not going to try to lynch Skitter. That would be painful. I'm simply going to get cleared or get her guiltied.

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I think that both slots are going to be mostly useless and I think that Spooghettioso has higher actual equity of flipping scum.

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I do not believe that his refusal to cop me is scum motivated.
Realize that CMod doesn't have nightchat and I wasn't in the game from the start, why would he be afraid of me? No one in this game has communicated that my town game is good.
I believe him when he says that he doesn't want to cop me because he doesn't want to play follow the RC and that he wants to actually suss out scum on his own.

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I'm not, like, happy about it and I think him refusing to cop me is the biggest chance we have of losing this game.

Almost50, I'm being copped tonight to Skitter's knowledge and she's still trying to push a lynch on me despite CONSISTENTLY reading me wrong in the past. Who is the one who is -actually- scared of me getting conftowned?
Do you think Skitter is too incompetent to understand the benefits of the current arrangement and to just go elsewhere and do something else, or do you think that she's scum playing it up?

Implo, Skitter saw me hard 180 on her in the last game and gave me tons of time and space to do so but in this game when I called her scum she freaked and said that my read on her was fake.
Do you think that she's -so much more sure- that I'm scum this game or do you think that she's just scum and knows that I'll eventually suss out that she's scum again?

because everybody is? We already told him everything he needs to know about your skill, and we are willing to sheep you. Wouldn't that be alarming to noob!scum who thought they were being clever fake claiming a cop (with the initial intention of clearing you anyway and looking TOWN for it)?

Please trust my townread there. He's town. Skitter is not.

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And just saying 'oh Skitter is telling the truth when she says she is literally too incompetent to respond in real time' nah that's not a thing.

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Actually yes

Cmod we're gonna lynch you tomorrow if you claim a result on anyone but me. you are doing town a massive disservice if you check anyone but me. please check me.

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Do you really think Skitter is so arrogant about her abilities as a town player that she can have an 80% scum read on the best scum player she's ever played with who in our last game fooled her and set her up to be mislynched? The game after she tunneled me and fought my wagon as town and I had correctly caught double scum?

You think that she calls my reads bad after that game or do you think that she is scum who is afraid of me? hint: it's the latter.

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That's not how this works man. I understand that you're scumreading the dude but it's just, like, not how this works. he's town, scum doesn't stick out their neck in this manner.

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You're essentially expressing intent to troll and gamethrow. If i were the mod I absolutely wouldn't allow you to replace here.

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Can you just not do this because I don't want you to?

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I mean I'm fine with that.

I just really don't want you to go berserk and try to policy lynch CreativeMod1 who I think is town.

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I’m not exactly saying I’m wiser, I just simply want to get discussion on who should be checked based on who people think are scum, is that really so much to ask?

Also whilst yes I’m new to this site I’m not exactly new to the game, I understand how the game works and I understand why people want me to check M&M

You're good dude. But you really should cop me.

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It's not really vacating the slot and it's not something new, it was more that it read to me as him expressing intent to stop taking the game seriously which I didn't like. if he's still gonna tryhard that's fine.

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I never changed that read: if you go back I clearly stated that I never stopped scumreading her and I just lost interest on pushing her without trying to sort her while she knew I was town.
I decided to just put her as town because I expected to be able to deal with her as soon as I became conftown and it wasn't really worth pursuing today. (and had a guaranteed day 2)
Her knee jerk scumread of me is something she's perfectly capable of doing as scum and I said so at the time but her interacting with me in a more give-take way isn't something I will misread her on.
So again, the idea is that I just put the matter to bed until I'm conftown and try to sort other people.

I've just gradually become more and more certain that she's scum over time and if there's even a chance that Creativemod1 isn't going to cop me I want to make it clear that's the direction I'm going tomorrow.

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If it weren't for Creativemod getting antsy I would have gone to tomorrow putting her in the townpool and then just lynched her tomorrow.

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And bluntly I don't want to go through the hassle of convincing you all that your townread on her is wrong so I'd rather just claim conftown and lynch her as such.

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i also vibe spooghettioso/skitter interactions as having high probability of being SvS which is why I've been pushing for that lynch so much.

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(like that's

literally the only thing

behind my enthusiasm of lynching spooghettioso tbh)

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3) continuing to interact with you as you continued calling her scum with me

she chose the sole avenue of play that didn't require her to actually interact meaningfully with me because she knows that she's incapable of interacting meaningfully with me
it's also a fact that I hard scumread her before we interacted and it's also a fact that I hard scumread all the content that she produced after our spat

there's also the fact that thinking skitter is town means thinking that she's objectively really fucking

silly

.
voting me is terrible because I'm being copped, voting me is terrible because she knows she can't read me, yet she comes in and claims an 80% scumread and tries to push me. why?

like there's nothing towny about her play to my understanding of her meta that has never failed me and you know these facts
so for you

not

to be willing to sheep me on Skitter as conftown is kind of silly.

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also you're doing a lot of talking about things as whats and ignoring the hows and the whys.
I tried to respond by talking about the what but factually skitter is scum not for the what but for the whys and hows.

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spoogh townflip doesn't mean you don't trust my skitter read.

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well I already addressed that

skitter is not a bad enough mafia player to try to lynch me when I'm being copped and not overconfident enough about her abilities to unironically claim an 80% scumread on me.
skitter has chosen the sole avenue of play (knee jerk insisting that I'm scum and refusing to evaluate it at all) that doesn't require her to spew herself scum all over the thread
skitter's approach to my slot is also drastically different from last game, she tried to push me for something that she saw me do last game (you pointed this out) and isn't showing me the same consideration that she did last time. if we've established that I can incorrectly scumread her as town initially, why does she freak out because I'm incorrectly scumreading her?
whereas if she's scum and she knows that the scumread isn't going away, the strongest position she can take is that I'm scum trying to mislynch her and get away with it.

she knows full well that lynching her is end of the line for me as scum with the weight of my meta of correctly scumreading her, she gives me the time to figure things out.

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A50 I'm bringing the good old days back
see snakes mafia or fallout mafia, fallout mafia i deathtunneled scum d1 then on d2 tied literally all 3 remaining scum together via associatives in one post, mechanically guiltied 2 of them, then town still threw.

this game may have been extremely difficult for me to get going but I'm feeling really good about where I'm at now and for all my not wanting to be tied to the spaghettioso flip I put it >50% scum.
nowadays I'm a lot more push people for reactions-y than I used to and less willing to just go off of my initial gut feelings which are still pretty good.

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I've solved multiple games on D1 and I don't have to use software to do it.

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Have I ever mentioned that on D1 Alisae asked me who I would have chosen and the two overlaps in scum choices were Aristophanes! and Mathdino?

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mostly though, like, I'm just

feeling

skitter scum and not questioning it if that makes sense. like if I go into nitty gritty I might talk myself out of it like i already did
but I trust the feels. the feels told me you were scum last game, not any individual meta point and that's why I was willing to say 100% because those feels aren't wrong
this isn't as strong a feels but it's definitely up there to the point where I can just say she's flipping scum without needing elaboration, tied with like xyzzy in my first mafia game at the meet

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yeah not really buying skitter scum tbh

I'll get her lynched when I'm clear whether you buy it or not.

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I'm ignoring ongoing games because they are ongoing.

If I thought ongoing games justified changing my read I'd change it and cite material that happened in this game dishonestly or w/e

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I think the idea that if I don't want to be copped I'm scum is fucking hilarious and shows a complete lack of empathy.

Or implosion if she, like, knows that she hasn't done this in the past and believes that she hasn't done it in the past.

Not that she's literally incapable of it.

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I mean this isn't the first time it's come up.

Even it's not exactly what's happening here I've been pushed on variants of this for years

You gonna start calling me scum again implo?

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My MO is what it has to be to survive, yo

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I don't rly want to do this all the time
It's just kinda a choice btwn being like this or being PLed all the time.
Standards of towniness I gotta meet are well above what's achievable honestly.

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i have said more stuff than the people with that role

?? Can you please rephrase this so I can understand what you're saying?

They mean they've said more than either members of that slot.

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What is your read on me mr. Cage?

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I think it's someone accusing you of weird listmod meta nonsense.

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It means you've engaged in subversive, green, above the game tripe.

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What if we Lynch spooghetrioso :c

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Note that I'm not even trying to Lynch skitter today

If I'm wrong I'll figure it out when she has to interact with me aa conftown instead of hide behind salt and a scumread

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I mean skitter if you're really town then I get the impression that you outright hate me which isn't something I had any expectations of. I don't think that you are town, or at least I hope that you aren't? But I thought of us as friends or at least friendly in general and the vitriol towards me you've shown feels personal and that's part of the reason I feel like it's faked. Who knows maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm right, but you assenting to be copped feels extremely wrong when you should expect me to hard townread you once you stop screaming that I'm scum and it feels like you're just saying that because you want to make a show of being willing to be copped. I would never expect you as town to agree to be copped because I asked you to. You should also know my mentality well enough to understand that I resent the fuck out of being copped as a player scum are going to have to nightkill anyway, so I'm getting ? there as well.

If you're town, realize that what you're doing screaming that I'm scum and trying to discredit me to the best of your ability doesn't come across as sincere and is really, really easy to fake as scum to the point of coming across as a cop out because you're unable to treat me like a player in this game. Not least because I got the vibes that you had some regrets about snakes.

If you're town start sorting the rest of the playerlist.

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I stand by spooghetrioso as the best Lynch option for today.

Never voting PP regardless of read until there's one scum remaining. Not sure what NC push comes from scum either so I kinda just want to stay out of the way of that.

Still happy with

A50
Implosion
MM
Creativemod1
Creature
Bujaber

As locktown get 1 other confirmed and the game is autowon kinda deal. Carca may join there again v soon

@a50 no because if she's actually town she is already like pissed the fuck off at me and if I mislynch her here she will never forgive that.

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Keep in mind this game is fmpov basically already won

I trust the players in this game to sheep my Poe because the Poe is actually pretty universally shared and to trust the process

I have no desire to get ahead of myself on Skitter today when tomorrow gives me a lot more ability to see if she is town

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That's also why I would really want Skitter copped because if she's scum great if she's town we agree on the Poe and I can trust her to Lynch down it doesn't the remainder of the game

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I think I might just sheep the penguin on nic cage

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Spooghetrioso is too cute to want to Lynch tbh

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Like way too cute
I don't think there's ever been such a cute scum player ever
Except postie, fuck that conniving bitch

VOTE: nic cage

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If Skitter is town she's pissed at me and it's clouding her judgement.

I'll try to figure that situation out tomorrow.

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what if there is no night 1 cop and doctors are known for no reason and 1 might die!

that is a good question actually implosion i do not remember them saying anything that i really liked but they have not done anything bad though unless they just threatened me but i dont know on that so maybe i should be looking more at that the no good things rather than the bad things

hmmmmm penguin are you mafia?

okay but they just admitted that they were mafia so you shouldnt think of them as town anymore

so skitter is thinking that m and m is mafia because they told cmod1 to cop check implosion?

i do not understand why that makes m and m mafia i think they have said that they do not trust implosion so it makes sense that they would want his alignment known unless i am missing something here?

i am sorry for being useless m and m i am trying not to be

How TF do you ever Lynch this it's even worse than penguin's I don't wanna lynch RC because he makes the game fun for me

It's way too adorable

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If spooghetrioso is scum I would sell my soul to the devil to be this pure as scum

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Idk why I even wanted to Lynch them
Oh yeah Skitter associatives

Well whatever they're almost Nancy drew 39 level pure at this point

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This is why people gotta stop shit tunneling me
I lose sight of the game and make bad choices

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Mmm don’t like the outrage given he’s the Open listmod and would know a claim wouldn’t really do anything for him

What does this mean?

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Also I want something to be clear to Nicholas Cage since I think

they

think that

they

've fooled me, I know exactly who you are and that's a large part of the reason I'm voting you right now.

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Cmod isn't that good as scum unless I literally wrote all his posts for him.

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I have no intention of outing you to anyone.

I don't really want to vote for Penguin because they said that I made the game fun for them and it kills any interest I would have in voting there.
I have some interest in voting for Gamma Emerald but I would expect a lot of negative repercussions if I got that read wrong so I'm reluctant to go there D1.