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VOTE: ReaperOfSouls
Clearly claimed SK with that username
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Even more interesting. So the one head I do know isn't gonna post, and the 2 the that I don't know will be taking shifts at the driving seat.In post 8, Gnelf wrote:Hello all, this is indeed of a hydra of OkaPoka, PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese, and blooblobby.
It'll be a little unconventional for a three-headed hydra is my(OkaPoka) hope for my head is probably not going to post at all unless absolutely necessary (other than this introductory post). The why being the two other heads, PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese and bloobloby, are newbies so I'm trying to teach them the ropes through a hydra(but I don't want to just play for them). Don't worry, I'll discuss a lot of things with them and answer any questions they have about the game or terminology (like an IC, but more personal), this hydra only exists because I want to talk them through this game and get them acquainted with the site meta. As such, I'll let one of them cast the first RVS vote.
However in the event that they don't want to play anymore, I'll be reading the thread so I'll hop in if necessary.
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Waiting on Reaper & Veridian to post.
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^Town^ (and believe me it's so damn hard for me to ever read Dunn regardless, so I'm gonna say this should be him near confirmed too)In post 54, Dunnstral wrote:
Because I said so LovebirdIn post 52, Lovebird wrote:
Why?In post 50, Dunnstral wrote:With the rate this game is moving, sure
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Sounds like a decent point. I dunno if I should trust YOU though. *Thinking*In post 57, Gamma Emerald wrote:
The fact they outright said they wouldn’t count themselves made it feel like it was artificial, that they didn’t care if the votals were known or notIn post 53, Dunnstral wrote:Asking for a vote count is pretty weird at post 26 - you can't count up 1 page of votes? Doesn't make it scummy though
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BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAIn post 59, davesaz wrote:Just realized I forgot to do something. Sorry about the delay.
VeridianCleric is aTown Innocent Child.
Were you waiting for him to get lynched? Cuz I was thinking him not posting so far may have pointed to him having rolled Scum and didn't like it.
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You're forgiven because you made that vote before I cam in to declare Dunn as TOWN. This means we have 2 IC's btw.. one is mod-confirmed and one is A50-appointed.
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OK, lead me through this, please. I agreeIn post 73, Persivul wrote:
I voted you because it's a lazy read on a newbie for doing newbie things.In post 70, Gamma Emerald wrote: I mean that shouldn’t require explanation if I’m explaining a read like that?asking if we could get auto VCsin request is something that comes from someone who has played on a different site where that's a thing, but is new to MS.
However, I don't see what's "a newbie thing" about saying they won't count votes themselves at the opening 2 pages of the game. I agree with Gamma that if I didn't care to go through 30 posts to count votes then I probably don't care about the VC anyway, hence the original question becomes sort of "tantalizing", if you know what I mean.
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Goddamit, Gamma. You so perceptive this game. Hmmm.. is THIS the tell you were talking about?In post 78, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think the newb defense falls kinda flat with their first post: who posts something like that while foreign to the community?In post 73, Persivul wrote:
I voted you because it's a lazy read on a newbie for doing newbie things.In post 70, Gamma Emerald wrote: I mean that shouldn’t require explanation if I’m explaining a read like that?
Ok.. Town Lean on Gamma .. for now.
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My hydra is bigger than yours & my votes are better than yours.In post 101, Clemency wrote:i'd like to announce that this account is actually a 12 person hydra which means i control 12 votes
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Ok.. I give up. You win.In post 102, Clemency wrote:and also i have 5 different power roles, including double doctor allowing me to self heal every round
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Parrots don't think. They just .. parrot what someone else says. (This means I accept the TR on Dunn and the SR on egix as genuine, btw. I have yet to decide about Maria at all.)In post 105, Lovebird wrote:I think Dunn and Maria are towny. And, egix is actually scummy.
VOTE: Egix
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LB joins the Town block. Scum!her won't be so silly; giving free TRs all around. (Yes, I'm aware that buddying is a thing, but then she's running out of mislynch targets too quick).In post 106, Lovebird wrote:
Oh, I bet this makes him town. Scum might ask mod to prod missing buddy during pregameIn post 99, ReaperOfSouls wrote:Didn't even remember I was signed up.
Though, I wouldn't be sure.
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Did he though? He said he knew a scum already, but he didn't out his read until after it became obvious (to him at least), so he would have a case. Are you telling me you never SR'd someone on gut band waited for them to do something more obvious for you to vote them and state a reason?In post 115, Persivul wrote:Gamma formed the scum read before the vote count issue even came up.
So...why are you pretending like that's the main issue?
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What outguessing? The mod said HE FORGOT.In post 123, Egix96 wrote:
Why are you trying to outguess the mod? Isn't that, like, a huge no-no?In post 109, Almost50 wrote:BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Were you waiting for him to get lynched? Cuz I was thinking him not posting so far may have pointed to him having rolled Scum and didn't like it.
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No. I'm saying he has an inexplicable SR on the slot and he waited until he got an explanation that he felt was worth putting up for the public to see.In post 124, Persivul wrote:So you're defending him by saying he's town who's tunneling?
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Oh. You convinced me.
VOTE: Shema
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Scum will never shoot the IC this game. PP doesn't do shit when he's unconfirmed, so I would expect him to not even be reading as IC.
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How is it "personal" when I only talk about yourIn post 134, PenguinPower wrote:That's quite an undeserved, and inaccurate, personal attack.
Glad to be here.play?
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It's 50-50 that it's 100%In post 135, Gamma Emerald wrote:Is this vote 100% serious
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Neither Trump nor Hillary deserved votes either, yet each got tens of millions. Life's a bitch, I guess.In post 136, Dunnstral wrote:Shema doesn't deserve votes
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Ah-ha! NOW we're getting somewhere.In post 138, Persivul wrote:
As long as he's not making stupid fake claims that do nothing but confuse the game, he's fine by me.In post 133, Almost50 wrote: Scum will never shoot the IC this game. PP doesn't do shit when he's unconfirmed, so I would expect him to not even be reading as IC.
1- How does my CLAIM get called a "hint"?
2- It was clear enough, so how is it confusing?
3- How can you tell if it's fake or not?
4- What is even scummy about asking people NOT to protect me?
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This way.
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Speak gibberish, GDI!In post 150, Gamma Emerald wrote:A50? XYQ.
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OK.. you're correct about me being confused. But then I didn't hint anything in this game!In post 154, Persivul wrote:See, even you're confused by your own fake claims. You don't know what game you're in.
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How about you npoint out my "hint" or at least direct me to the post #, please?
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The post in which the player voted
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Because I sure as hell didn't claim, so you must've thought I crumbed something.In post 159, Persivul wrote:Is this to me? If so, why do you put "hint" in quotes when I never used the word?
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Scum team identified in full.
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In post 168, Persivul wrote:
Nope. You spoke of PP'sIn post 162, Almost50 wrote: Because I sure as hell didn't claim, so you must've thought I crumbed something.pastbehavior (as you see it), and I'm speaking of yours.
OIC! Well, I NEVER fake claim.. EVER. (I'm also a compulsive liar)
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4th scum detectedIn post 182, Egix96 wrote:Insert obligatory "Lurking is NAI" comment here
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OH! I didn't exactly have the setup on my mind when I wrote that, but nice catch indeed!In post 187, Gamma Emerald wrote:
So a Serial Killer you say?In post 183, Almost50 wrote:
4th scum detectedIn post 182, Egix96 wrote:Insert obligatory "Lurking is NAI" comment here
So far all we know is there's at least 1 M. If there's a pair of Masons out there then we have MMM. Unfortunately, I am not a Doctor so I can't ask the Masons -if existent- to out today, so we'll just leave it at that.
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When was the last time you didn't?In post 190, PenguinPower wrote:I kinda want to just lynch A50.
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There you go. So, IF you're Town you are following a trend of SRing me anyway.In post 193, PenguinPower wrote:As I recall...Open 668, but I was scum and you replaced in and ruined it for me.
So...
My advice is for you to ISO me and point out (to yourself) what scummy things I did so far, and IF you can find any, try to think why Town!me could do them too. If you can't find a Town motive, then and only then can you come back to me with your homework and if you're not satisfied with my answers you can glue your vote on me for the rest of the day.
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I kinda wanted to repost that for meme's (you talk in echoes and I respond the same way), but thought it might not amuse many, so just imagine I did just that.
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You're saying that like I should know it already!!In post 196, PenguinPower wrote:Did you really just emphasize "if" I'm town?
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In post 203, Persivul wrote:Well, yeah, considering that PP is the mod-confirmed IC.
OK. This probably tells how attentive I am to the game right now.
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Well, I spoke too fast. I had yet to open my text file. If I relied on my memory I'd probably be wondering why Ranger, FA & RC aren't posting in this game.
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I'd add another 2 votes on this one to force the replacement to catch up and play rather than play for time.In post 212, davesaz wrote:Shema has not posted after being prodded, seeking replacement. They can continue in the game if they post before a replacement is found.
Prodding Lovebird.
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That can only happen post-game. If someone tells you NOW what you're doing wrong you may still be scum and will make amendments to your play in this game accordingly to trick us.In post 332, Egix96 wrote:Somebody just give me the cliffs on what I'm doing wrong, that's all I'm asking.
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If I said it was for pressure, sure. But I said to make them play. It thus follows if they don't play they're gonna get lynched.In post 229, LolWagons wrote:#214: You know if you say your vote is for a specific reaction you pretty much forfeit that reaction from happening right?
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PP+Maria = Listmod conspiracy on the whole of monkey/ape species. Those green players hate the smell of my bananas.
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Because if I did, someone (likely names LolWagons) whould have still exclaimed why I voted the new comer anyway. I had my vote on Shema about 24 hrs after her last post, and it wasn't until 48 hrs later (after my vpte) that she was prodded (check her ISO for her last post timestamp, then my vote in post 130, then the mod post 163). Also notice that both Maria and Gnelf were prodded there. so my vote had nothing to do with activity, but rather with the content (or rather lack of) in her posts. She double posted and then her 3rd post was an apology for the double post. Lame entry, but ok. Then she asks about the auto-VCs and I take it she plays at MU, so no problem. Oh wait.. she apologized -again- for "rushing things up" and I don't see where she even started to play to say that. Then she states she doesn't have time to count votes manually.. in the middle of PAGE TWO. She finally complains about the game going too slow for her (she's used to 15+ pages by that stage) when she had yet to provide ONE game-related post. Not a sign of scum hunting. Not a sign of intent to do anything but shit post and look busy. THAT is why I voted her, and there's nothing that changes since (because she decided to flake), so why would I have moved my vote anywhere else when I didn't even know she would flake until the mod announced it.In post 337, LolWagons wrote:
There were like four people who were in the thread feigning activity but you kept your vote parked on an empty slot. Why not vote someone else and then when the new person gets in vote them?In post 336, Almost50 wrote:
If I said it was for pressure, sure. But I said to make them play. It thus follows if they don't play they're gonna get lynched.In post 229, LolWagons wrote:#214: You know if you say your vote is for a specific reaction you pretty much forfeit that reaction from happening right?
Now ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you I tend to FoS lurkers, and I tend to consider new players that flake after being FoS'd to be caught scum more likely than not.
In sum, please let me play my game the way I do play the game. You play yours however you like. Just don't expect me to play how you want and don't apply your own guidelines on me, because I'm not you and you're not me.
Finally, I'm going to be VERY suspicious of you (because of this) if that slot indeed flips groups scum.
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Wait! It was YOU who replaced, Shema. NVM that last line.
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You've been FoS'ing me since the start of the game (and I suspect it started before the players list was finalized too!)In post 244, PenguinPower wrote:
It was a waffly read, and easy to pass off as null. I don't like it.In post 233, LolWagons wrote:Because he's a null read, as I explained in my post. Going after the leaning scum read who has not contributed and who everyone let feign activity the whole day today.
VOTE: A50
But why did you wait for Maria to take the initiative for you to actually vote me? Were you waiting for "permission to vote the monkey" or something?
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@dave: I waited.. you're welcome.
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You mean "entered with a fullIn post 358, Persivul wrote:
Not explaining anything? He entered with a full reads list with post references. That's a hell of a lot more than you've done.In post 352, 0verki11 wrote:
Sure, I null read the orginal player but LoL is doing some strange tunnel and not explaining anything.In post 347, Clemency wrote:^just vote this
VOTE: LoLwagonsagenda" that he executed poorly. Right?
Notice how he entered throwing shad on those who hopped on his slot's wagin, namely ROS & Clem? He then voted Clem which appeared to be lining up with his declared line of thoughts.
Then he "got what he wanted" from Clemency so he votes >me<. What? Where did his suspicion of ROS go? I'll tell you where: He came in with the idea of pushing >ME< anyway. He was just told to disguise it so as not to be too obvious, so he said that thing about hopping on his wagon thinking I was one, but voted Clemency first.
But hemade a mistakeby forgetting whom he himself stated were the suspects (according to his own reads at entry point) and shifted directly to voting me, which was also a bit opportunistic since both listmods voted me before he did.
My conclusion is he probably is NOT scum with either of Maria/PP (they both just LOVE to FoS me in EVERY BLOODY GAME WE PLAY), but it's partially MY FAULT because I had requested that me and Maria don't play together anymore but I didn't pay close attention to the players list when I signed up to this. I just liked the setup and the mod, so I hopped on.
Anyway, I am willing to take on this "LOL" person on a 1v1, and I don't care which if us flips first. All I ask is if I get lynched first that you (plural) won't let him live to see D3.
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You did not state suspicion on >ME< when you entered the game. You stated suspicion on Celemency and ROS, and you didn't even pursue it in the case of ROS, but you saw an opening to your "final destination" and you went straight to it.
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I don't bloody care if he is the mod even. He's USELESS (and he can claim that's a personal attack all he likes, but I'm clearly talking about his play. He's doing a good job as a list mod, but his playing skills are way way way below par. Sorry if that hurts his feelings.)
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Yes, because scum!me would totally go nomadic rather than have a solid plan. Did you even care to meta dive me before you made this post? NVM, meta. Do you think that's how I bloody won 5 out of my 8 previous scum games?In post 366, LolWagons wrote:Okay but the point is you keep forgetting he’s clear and you thought the Shema and I were separate people. To someone who is town it just looks like you’re trying to feign generating content but keep screwing up.
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YES. DEFINITELY YES! The more I get attacked for it and the more certain slots want me to switch my vote the more I am confident this is a scum slot and I'm not moving off him unless he gets mod confirmed to be town somehow.In post 377, Persivul wrote:
Gamma voted Shema in 44 and hasn't moved since.In post 350, davesaz wrote:
Reaper has 7 posts and 1 vote, and merely used your call for votes as an excuse to vote here.
Clem plays more for fun than for real analysis and is also riding your coattails.
I mean, come on Almost, are you really feeling good about being on this wagon?
As for the post before this one, you said yourself.. it wouldn't be to the point you forget who the IC was. But I'll even raise you one: I am NOT you. I have a reputation as a good scum player that I have to defend, and being this inattentive doesn't help. You do know scum wins rely more on the specific slot play, while many of my town wins I just grabbed by sacrificing myself (baiting the NK on N1 as a VT). This tactic (baiting the NK) still earns me some credit since it's basically a 1-night protection on all TPRs, so I feel like I did contribute enough to each and every Town win I have on my wiki. Now go check how I win AS SCUM and see if I ever appear inattentive (or even lead wagons on D1 for that matter) at all. My alignment in each game is marked in the table on my wiki, so you won't have to search for a scum game.. just right click the one(s) you want to check and see how I play scum.
Note: This isn't to say my Scum game is easy to point out. Sometimes I do play my town game as I play my scum game, but the inverse isn't valid. There are things I only do as TOWN, and I only do them when I want to OBV!TOWN for whatever reason.
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Like, you started off by being suspicious of me, and now you're trying to convince me the other votes on the wagon are bad? Really? Do you thing the whole scum team decided to tunnel a lurker??
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But I was! At least one of those was Multiball, and the 3P win was as a Serial Killer.In post 382, Persivul wrote:
You know that unless you were playing a lot of multiball (and you weren't), 5 for 8 is just one better than random, right?In post 380, Almost50 wrote:I have a reputation as a good scum player that I have to defend, and being this inattentive doesn't help.
But that's not the point, man. GO CHECK how I play SCUM. I WIN games for my team.
Wait.. actually ate least TWO .. let me go check
OK THIS ONE was multi mutliball.
And THIS ONE too (I don't think this one's even included in my stats).
But go check this game, or this one, or -more recently- this one for examples of how I win as scum.
And if you like, check [url=viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76042[/url] for the last time I lost as scum.
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What's a good wagon, Dunn?In post 386, Dunnstral wrote:Lolwagons is a bad wagon
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You want me to sheep you blindly? I want a CASE if you want me to sheep you. You know how I roll.In post 390, Dunnstral wrote:
I've given opinions on this alreadyIn post 388, Almost50 wrote:
What's a good wagon, Dunn?In post 386, Dunnstral wrote:Lolwagons is a bad wagon
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1- Against my better judgement, I'm going to take Egix out of my scum pool and put him at the bottom of my Town pile. DO NOT ASK for an explicit explanation. You won't get one at this time. (If you want one, do your own homework)
2- I still can't understand why Percy & Maria are so nervous about the wagon on LolWagons in particular. Maria's 396 directed at Gamma is almost identical to Percy's 377 directed at me.
I double checked the wiki, and this is the closest I got:
M = Innocent Child (Confirmed at start of Day 1 by mod)
MM = 2 Masons
MMM = 2 Masons + Innocent Child
MMMM = 3 Masons
MMMMM = 2 Masons + 2 Masons (i.e. two separate pairings)
MMMM (however unlikely) would have been my guess, except we do have a confirmed IC, which means we canNOT have a 3-way Masonry, soeven assuming2 of them are Masons I dunno how it works for the 3rd of them. (Like, if Lol is Masons with Percy/Maria then the other one of Maria/Percy is acting weird. If it's Percy AND Maria the Masons, then they have nothing but their own reads on Lol. Furthermore, there are FIVE votes on him, so at least 2 Townies think otherwise, and that's assuming the 5% probability the whole Scum team has thrown their weight behind a lynch on a slot that at some point was considered a lurker).
Come on, guys.. throw me a bone here.. what's up? Did Lol or Shema crumb something that I missed?? I don't think so.
However, I am keeping an open mind still and am willing to vote elsewhere provided someone presents me with agood case(and don't you dare respond with "what's your case on Lol", because if you do the response will be "if I'm voting someone for bad reasons or no reasons at all then -at least- I'm gonna pick my own target to vote". Give me something that makes me want to move to another specific slot. Thank you
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But that's the point. I was only the SECOND vote on your slot. I didn't vote you AFTER a wagon had formed on you, but rather made that wagon happen.In post 401, LolWagons wrote:I get A50's case on me, or the logic of it anyways. I think its daft, like I don't think its that scummy to vote a null read with a wagon already on it than to vote a scum read with 0 votes. If I felt like I had more town pull, like if I had led a lynch on scum on a previous day or town trusted me more, then I could see the logic. But I clearly don't have pull here, and that's fine. You don't get to be the leader in every game (hard as I might try).
But to vote a null read with 3 days until deadline and a wagon already formed? Meh.
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And again.. this is WEIRD! I mean, if this is literally the scum team they've got some ball to do this right after I said what I said.
UNVOTE:
I think I'm reading something backwards!
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Like, right now I need a FLIP to re-tune my reads. This is the OLD read list I had, which I now believe is all messed up.
PenguinPower--------------------IC
Almost50
Clemency
Dunnstral
Gamma Emerald
Persivul
Lovebird
ReaperOfSouls
Egix96
0verki11
MariaR
Gnelf
LolWagons
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