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the over-the-top-ness is what i'm finding a bit townieIn post 23, Slaxx wrote:
Is spamming the thread AI? Looks null/over-the-top to me.In post 21, kitcat wrote:do tell
it feels a little bombastic and attention-grabbing for scum to start the game self-voting and then spamming like that
pedit sure, why not
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They don't do it that way, I don't think.In post 31, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Oh God, kitcat still thinks scum don't draw attention.
I think it's townie for you. It's not exactly the spam that's fueling the townpings, but rather how bombastic it is.In post 42, Invisibility wrote:i spam as either alignment
though i do admit that i am being a little bit weird this game
can you draw a conclusion by me being weird this game?
It's more that he doesn't care that he's drawing attention to himself. Also I'm an alt, not a new player. Letting you maintain that impression is probably fallacious.In post 47, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Is this at me? I don't believe that one alignment gets attention more than the other. It depends on the other players, not the player who attention is actually on. "Drawing attention" is a non-tell that new players tend to use as a tell.-
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Yeah but the way you're doing it I think is kinda townie for youIn post 55, Invisibility wrote:I think scum can separate letters in individual words with spaces as well
What makes rooroo an 'easy' target?In post 77, Slaxx wrote:Pressuring east targets instead of scummy targets
Meh. We're out of rvs already. There's actual content now. Why are you not engaging with any of it?In post 95, Pink Ball wrote:
Ok guys, time's up. I'm really disappointed, I was ready to give a solid townread to whoever answered me to this with "General Kenobi". Guess you don't want to be townread by the mighty Pink Ball.In post 70, Pink Ball wrote:Hello there
Why?In post 107, Pink Ball wrote:I don't want you to feel frustrated tho, so I'll give you this:my vote on rooroo stopped being an RVS vote some time ago, and I'm townreading you. That's where I am right now
Huh, I thought you didn't like my read on you actually. I don't have AI thoughts on Slaxx yet.In post 109, Invisibility wrote:i guess i should share i think kitcat sounds the most genuine
Ok, who do you think is going to lolhammer in this game?In post 112, Pink Ball wrote:If I wanted to lolhammer I would've done it already. By how the gamestate is right now, having someone at L-1 is too risky IMO.
I'm an alt, not new. I'm reasonably confident that rooroo is as wellIn post 125, Eyes without a face wrote:ok I checked. kitcat and rooroo are totally new and this is their first game on the site = more confusion.
Why is rooroo a good push at this time?In post 138, Pink Ball wrote: rooroo is a good push, a very good one indeed.
ThisIn post 155, rooroo wrote:That's not tunneling, that's someone with 9 total posts expressing a scumread
Other assorted thoughts:
-rooroo I think is kind of townie
- CoA maybe too
- not liking Pink Ball thus far
- very minor townpings on eyes
- ofrhz repped out of another game too, so I'm not sure that repping out of this one is AI for her right now-
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I don't think SA is really tunneling you right now. Your reaction to SA's push feels a bit like an overaction to meIn post 164, Pink Ball wrote:Could you explain why do you think me feeling tunneled is scummy? And look at rethoric here: I said I feel tunneled, not THINK I'm being tunneled. You know that's different.
Is this because of his vote on me on page1?In post 175, Eragon wrote:Scumlean(light)- Slaxx
Also your entrance feels kinda townie to me
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I meant bombastic more in the sense of: 'attention-seeking', or 'loud'In post 179, Eragon wrote:53 NGL I had to look up what bombastic meant to understand this post. Ok seeing what bombastic means, why do you think its towny for someone to post a lot of posts that have no meaning? Or inflated posts or whatever it means. So. Many. Big. Words. ARGH. “Fallacious” this is a towny post as well because I feel scum would just try to ride the new player but not outright say they are a new player, and if anyone asks, just say “ I was trying not to out I was an alt” its simple to get more easily townread but not have many repercussions in the end. Town wants to be read correctly, with full information, so they out they are an alt.
And not particularly in the sense of: 'post a lot of posts that have no meaning
I don't inherently find posts that are loud/ott/attention-seeking to be townie in a general sense, but I think it is for vizzy.
And yeah I feel like it's a little bit misleading to let people think of me as a new player when I'm not since that will probably affect how they try to sort me.
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How much mafia experience do you have?In post 181, Eyes without a face wrote:Am I usually slow to develop reads? I guess. There hasn't been much to base any reads on anyway.
Am I planning on doing something to get reads? Like what? I dunno what to do to get reads. It usually develops over time by looking for contradictions in someones posts.
What is it? I just told you. I am waiting for someone to say something that looks like a contradiction to what they said earlier. That's all I can do on day one I guess. I believe we can get more information during the night though so maybe I will have more to say on day two if we are lucky.-
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This strikes me as kinda townie? Maybe?In post 185, Eyes without a face wrote:VOTE: Slaxx
Reason: Out of my 4 unsorted slots
1- I didn't want to put Pink Ball at L-1 in case he is town.
2- I didn't want to make Assassins an equally competent wagon in case Pink Ball was scum.
3- I don't want it to look like I'm voting kitcat because she's voting me.
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Why do you think you can sort ofrhz easier?In post 126, Slaxx wrote:
I’m a sucker for a good wagon. Also I think I can sort ofhrZ easier so pressure is best spent there. Still circling SA.In post 124, rooroo wrote:Slaxx why are you voting ofrhz over sa rn?-
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Feels really clueless and like out-of-touch with the gamestate? And not in a scummy way? I'm not actually sure if htis setup has daytalk or if he's ever played scum here before, I'd have to check because those would affect how I'm reading the cluelessness but like his out-of-touchness and openness about not forming reads feels very minorly townie. I guess scum I think are usually more self-conscious about having like no reads and arent' so willing to state that openly.In post 230, Eragon wrote:I do have one question, what are the minor town pings on eyes?
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@pinkballIn post 160, kitcat wrote:Ok, who do you think is going to lolhammer in this game?-
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Uh this feels kinda ATE and OTT to me and I'm not sure why you're reacting this way?In post 233, Pink Ball wrote:Ok, I'm pretty pissed off right no. I was fucking memeing all time when there was literally ONE PERSON POSTING, and I'm called out for not doing shit? I was doing shit, I was trying to get reactions, and I got one from Invisibility that helped me sort him out. If you don't know what the hell I'm doing, ask me, for fucks sake. I already said I didn't want to explicitly say what my reads were at the time 'cause I was waiting for something to happen, why the fuck is that scummy? I really can't believe this shit.
Also, I already explained two fucking times why I felt tunneled, and you keep addressing that shit as I am wrong? FEELINGS, FEELINGS, FEEEEEEEELIIIIIIIINGS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, I CAN'T BE WRONG ABOUT HOW I FEEL, THAT DOESN'T MEAN I *THINK* IT'S A TUNNEL. And the feeling, as I already explained, was justified on some specific posts that made me feel I was going to be scumread by Sleepless no matter what I said/did.
Also this readslist is like upside down in comparision to mineIn post 233, Pink Ball wrote:So my reads would be:
{SleeplessAssasin, Slaxx, Invisibility} townreads
{CultofAthena} nulltown
{rooroo, EyesWithoutAFace} null
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Fair enoughIn post 255, Slaxx wrote:I just got out of a game where we were both town and it was one of those people you mind meld with-
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Ya usually people want me to try to articulate such reads. I'll try but this is something I'm not very good at so I guess I'm just more mentioning it for nowIn post 254, Slaxx wrote:
Not much I can say about my tone you’re like the third person to bring it up I thinkIn post 251, kitcat wrote:Slaxx, you feel really weird tonally. I'm bad at describing tonal reads (they tend to basically end up somewhere around 'gut') but I guess I should probably mention it and I'll try to figure out why it's bothering me
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I didn't like this post:In post 263, Pink Ball wrote:
Did I specifically said I thought someone could lolhammer? At that moment the game was pretty dead and I would not have been surprised if someone hammered ofrhz without realizing it (not on purpose, I mean. ofrhz was on L-1 too early).In post 253, kitcat wrote:
@pinkballIn post 160, kitcat wrote:Ok, who do you think is going to lolhammer in this game?
Because I hadn't gotten the vibe for the most part that this playerlist is the sort of players who might lolhammer except for maybe like vizzy so I was wondering why you were worried about l1. But it makes more sense to me that you were worried about someone hammering without realizing it would be hammer given the gamestate and infrequency of vcsIn post 112, Pink Ball wrote:If I wanted to lolhammer I would've done it already. By how the gamestate is right now, having someone at L-1 is too risky IMO.-
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Sorry, not trying to lob accusations that you can't reasonably defend against; I know that people can't really defend against a vague accusation like 'weird tone' and I'm not really expecting you to. It was more for me to note that I was feeling that way and to see if I can try to figure out why.In post 266, Slaxx wrote:Seriously though, if you can articulate it, fine, I can defend it. But just saying it, especially after one or two others have, just feels like we are trying to build a narrative that I can’t realistically defend against. Suddenly it’s two days until deadline and we all decide to lynch me for “tone”.
Not really doing it in concert with other people, more like noting that's how I felt when I read your interaction with Eragon last night.-
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Uh I'm pretty sure his last readslist lists you as null? I don't think he's suspecting you right now?In post 279, Eyes without a face wrote:
I very much agree, and I don't care if he scum reads me. Your read on me does not affect my read on you. I could say he is wrong in suspecting me, but wrong =/= scum.In post 247, kitcat wrote:I think Eragon is very townie
Ok I retract my townpings thenIn post 280, Eyes without a face wrote:
Enough to bypass the newbies queueIn post 248, kitcat wrote:How much mafia experience do you have?-
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VOTE: slaxx
I think I'd like to start here. You had like one post that I liked in twilight but other than that I don't think you've been much townie at all.
I still think vizzy and eragon are fairly strongly town, and rooroo probably is too.
I was probably going to push pink ball today so I guess it's a good thing that he died. It's a bit of a surprising nk though. I would have expected eragon or vizzy instead.
And sorry for being on that wagon - I didn't think there was much danger leaving it there because I wasn't exactly expecting an imminent wagon on him or for the day to end or anything.-
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The bolded. If you're scum you knew he was flipping town and by saying you'd have me as town on an eyes green flip you're limiting your lynchpool.In post 445, Slaxx wrote:Eh I think kitcat can be town if Eyes is town
I’d be adding that to my lynchpool with a red flip from eyes
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Didn't really like your eyes pushIn post 479, Slaxx wrote:what specifically do you not like about me?-
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In post 291, Slaxx wrote:So even then, you went from having no reads to having reads in 20 posts? Still makes no sense.
It's hard for me to put into words but this part of the push feels off.In post 288, Slaxx wrote:Your reads list was incredibly opaque and came 19 minutes after you said there wasn’t much content for you to get reads from.
Like it feels like you found something contradictory or strange that you're pushing him for, but not something that's like actually scummy? Like you're pushing him for not making sense, and for suddenly forming reads, which aren't inherently scummy traits really.
This almost feels like you were baiting him to answer something badly and make himself look bad. It's pretty apparent you're a lot better at arguing and explaining yourself than he is, and this feels a little like you're taking advantage of that.In post 330, Slaxx wrote:I did that on purpose. It gave you a nice excuse to not answer the game/related question, which I figured might be the case. Just like when you slinked off when we were in discussion and tried to reintegrate like nothing happened after other people started talking:
And like your whole tone in twilight feels bad, almost cocky? Not sure the right words to describe it. Like 388. Overconfident almost that he was flipping scum?
Also you switched really fast to the notion that he might green and what might happen after which doesn't really match how confident you were that he was flipping scum just posts before
You were also setting up a SA push in the event of greenflip
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Where did I do this?In post 490, Slaxx wrote:Basically you really seemed to give him a chance to try to work his way out of the initial suspicion on him and that felt genuine
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Ah okIn post 491, Slaxx wrote:248/249/252 is what I am talking about kitcat.
He didn't seem like an influential player so there wasn't much incentive to pocket, and at the time he wasn't under a lot of pressure so it wasn't like the lynch was imminent and you decided to cash in on scorning the lynch knowing his flip.
I probably would have if I was around during the L-1 thing - it didn't feel like something that came from scum really
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OK, thanks for explaining. The baiting still feels kinda bad to me so I need to mull over your response a bit I think, when I'm a bit more awake
I guess I also don't like how you started talking about who you'd push if he flipped green when you'd been so sure earlier that he'd flip red
Also how would you describe your scumgame?
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Ok, so I thought about the baiting thing a bit more.
I still don't know if it's scummy, but it still feels wrong - I definitely got the vibe that you were trying to force an argument that you thought you could win, and I don't really think town approaches that situation that way. I don't think it'simpossiblefor town to pick an argument against someone they're strongly scumreaidng in order to force the lynch, but i think it's more likely something scum do to make a mislynch happen.-
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@COA: I also thought this post was kinda townie for rooroo. Not on Vizzy/Eragon tier, but definitely townie enough that I'm not very interested in lynching her todayIn post 156, rooroo wrote:tunneling is when the highest poster maintains an idiotic scumread on me for most of day 1 every game because I'm low efforting or not 100% obvtown despite my posting not actually being scum-indicative at all.
actually the fact that pb thinks he's being tunneled here is probably a bit scummy
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Because I don't really understand the connection you're drawing between me and him. Or, I guess I understand it but I don't get why I'm not just scum there vote-parking and not unvoting despite calling him mildly town and opportunistically retracting the read when everyone else was finding him scummy.In post 520, Slaxx wrote:
Dude it’s a leaning town read based on a flip what’s not to get about itIn post 517, kitcat wrote:I also still don't get where the strength of your townread on me came from-
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Fine, not very much AI realy.In post 521, Slaxx wrote:What do you think of CoA’s commentary?
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I don't know. It feels wrong to me though so I'm bringing it up. It felt over-confident almost, for the situation.In post 537, Eragon wrote:but why is it scummy to do that in twilight? isnt it more likely scum just drops it and moves off the subject.
why does scum continue scumreading someone through twilight?
One of the things I'm trying to do on this alt is pay more attention to my gut feelings, even I can't really explain why I think something. I know saying something like this isn't super helpful but I'm hoping focusing on them more will help me figure out how to articulate them
The lynch was: me, slaxx, SA, vizzy, and EyesIn post 539, Eragon wrote:
do you think anyone else that voted eyes is scummy for their push?In post 504, kitcat wrote:Yeah the baiting felt bad to me.
I'm not sure it's inherentlyscummybut it does feel manipulative - like you were trying to set up a favorable argument for yourself against someone who couldn't defend themselves as well
if yes, ok.
if no, explain why only Slaxx's push was wolfy.
I'm town.
Vizzy I'm pretty sure is town.
Eyes was town.
SA's vote was quite awful actually - he actually voted him in the same post he called him town, iirc. It felt kinda opportunistic to me
I feel like it might just be {slaxx/SA} but on some level I think that solve is almost too easy-
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Her annoyance at this situation is something that I think comes from town!her more likely than scum!herIn post 544, Eragon wrote:can you express why this post is towny enough to not lynch rooroo?-
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Yeah I'm basically trying to see if my gut has anything good to say lolIn post 560, Eragon wrote:thats why im leaning towards trusting my gut on SA-
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Yeah I'm considering the possibility of bussing, not sure if I want to switch my vote at this time.In post 562, Slaxx wrote:If you think I bussed right out of the gate please do indulge me and vote SA.
I don’t like CoA’s recent posts, feels like the stance was decided and it’s being retroactively justified, not something that formed organically. Bonus points for the fact she voted SA after me despite it being iffy logic to do so based on her own post.
I'm not super feeling the scumreads on CoA honestly. Like I don't townread her but I don't scumread her either.-
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I mean, I think it was fairly subtle - nobody really noticed it until I brought it up.In post 569, Slaxx wrote:In this case, though, I think it’s kinda silly to be voted for literally admitting to baiting someone. You’d think scum would be more subtle about it, but whatever.-
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Yeah that's kinda the solve I'm going with right now but like it feels almost too easy? Sometimes it is that easy but yeahIn post 578, rooroo wrote:surely weird outgoing associatives with {slaxx, sa} are at least a little bit scummy
If I'm wrong I guess CoA might be scum? I'm pretty sure all of {eragon/vizzy/you} are town-
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What's your read on Slaxx?In post 603, rooroo wrote:Nothing can stop mastina from gamethrowing-
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I have no idea what that convo was about either lolIn post 610, Eragon wrote:is this just generally confusing or do i need food-
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Honestly I think the kill might just be something like they thought he was a pr. Can't think of many other reasons why he'd do thereIn post 622, Slaxx wrote:Maybe. I’m mulling it over. I think it’s weird he died and then I’m being pushed on that point and the kill really only makes sense in the context of that point, but that requires a partner to misread it as well so maybe not. There’s a reason I didn’t vote you.-
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I think this is sorta townie.In post 623, CultOfAthena wrote:I find it hard to believe you actually had the thought in the first place, but whatever.
I figure that with the current gamestate scum probably needs me to be lynched, so I'm sort of waiting for the case or whatever to drop.
Rooroo might actually be townier than Vizzy?
And CoA is like on the town side of null
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