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Why?In post 28, BuJaber wrote:This game will be a minor inconvenience.
VOTE: lovebird
Better safe than sorry-
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You assumed correctlyIn post 34, BuJaber wrote:
"Better safe than sorry" is the reason for the vote. Pretty self-explanatory. I therefore assumed that milk is asking why I said the top part, not why I voted lovebird.-
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To me, nasty 1v1s are usually both townsIn post 44, Persivul wrote:
When you couldn't do that...what alignments were each of you?In post 42, Slaxx wrote:Wow we worked out a misunderstanding through civil discourse.
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It's still rvs and civility is the rule rather than the exception, it's just a matter of who is keeping it civil for the sake of enjoy ability and who is keeping it for the sake of not pissing anyone off. I should also clarify, I think that civility is better for town to get reads and be reasonable. Hostile 1v1s are usually town, but usually bad for town overallIn post 49, Persivul wrote:
Agreed, and if that was the case with these two...what's different now?In post 46, themilkcartonkid wrote:To me, nasty 1v1s are usually both towns-
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This question needs to be answered and applies to rb as well
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He accused me of not pressuring you and persivul while simultaneously not pressuring them either. That's called throwing shade.
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Can you explain how this is lamest? Also, what do you think about RBS tone?In post 93, BuJaber wrote:
This feels kinda LAMIST to me.In post 74, themilkcartonkid wrote:I am 100% for pressure, but there isn't any real pressure here. What question or incident is being responded to here? If anything, we need to pressure slaxx or rb for their weird psuedo serious votes
But also 5 votes on the first real wagon on the game.. that's gotta have scum on it. Like almost every game I play the first wagon that starts to look serious disappears later and someone else becomes the day 1 lynch so it's a safe vote for scum to park on.
There you go.. congratulations anyone who didn't vote for egix or is not milk.. you're town by PoE.
VOTE: Milk-
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Why is slaxx towny? Explain your readIn post 99, Lovebird wrote:Slaxx towny. Maybe egix and tttt too. I'm OK with my vote rn, but milk is good wagon that I might switch to.-
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This is a made up reason. It 100%doesn't match up with the original post and if you cant see the town utility in backing up a good question (one of the few ones this game) then you aren't actually lookingIn post 102, Slaxx wrote:
This is the post the pinged me. Pers and Milk were both trying to shift blame onto RB and I for the wagon while ignoring the people who just clapped on later. The difference between them is he also reiterated Pers’s question just a couple posts after Pers, which does little functionally for town except to put him on record that he too wanted the answer for the wagon, you know, to look better upon a town flip. Nothing about that post seemed genuine or has town utility but it has great scum posturing utility.In post 75, themilkcartonkid wrote:This question needs to be answered and applies to rb as well
The vote on milk wasn’t about exclusively not pressuring the sheep, it was about trying to redistribute blame for the wagon in a shady way, that to me, looked a lot like someone posturing for a mislynch, thus the Egix unvote.
This was more scummy than the sheep votes, and thus I voted there. Could I have pressured the sheep on reasoning? Yeah. Because I didn’t do it and went after something more significant that caught my eye does that make me scum? Nope.-
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You stated originally that the scummy thing is precisely that I was ignoring sheep, but here you say "well it was actually the WAY you did it" if you originally intended to communicate this then actually communicate it. Ymmine is the only reason you've given any reason and apparently the reason you gave isn't even your real reasonThe vote on milk wasn’t about exclusively not pressuring the sheep, it was about trying to redistribute blame for the wagon in a shady way, that to me, looked a lot like someone posturing for a mislynch, thus the Egix unvote.-
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Wait... you think I was actually concerned about an l1 on page 3? Egix wasn't getting lynched, he was being pressured. But he wasn't actually being pressured to respond to anything. Reaction test, okay. It's pretty convenient, but I see what you could mean. But your case on me is made up because you're super hypocritical in several ways already pointed out by pers and I bothIn post 121, Slaxx wrote:
Because it flips town.In post 120, Persivul wrote:Why do you think a wagon is worthy of blame?
Based off of how fast that formed, and how milk (and maybe you) reacted, I am working under the assumption that it flips town.-
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Dude, I cant read your mind. You. Have. To. Communicate. The first time. Your follow up could not be inferred from your initial post.In post 129, Slaxx wrote:
I'm not hypocritical, you just either have terrible reading comprehension or you're arguing in bad faith.In post 127, themilkcartonkid wrote:
Wait... you think I was actually concerned about an l1 on page 3? Egix wasn't getting lynched, he was being pressured. But he wasn't actually being pressured to respond to anything. Reaction test, okay. It's pretty convenient, but I see what you could mean. But your case on me is made up because you're super hypocritical in several ways already pointed out by pers and I bothIn post 121, Slaxx wrote:
Because it flips town.In post 120, Persivul wrote:Why do you think a wagon is worthy of blame?
Based off of how fast that formed, and how milk (and maybe you) reacted, I am working under the assumption that it flips town.
My gut is telling me door #2.-
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What history do you have with him?In post 134, Slaxx wrote:A little off topic but maybe relevant
But I get why reaction tests could be labelled convenient retroactively
But given that I can read Egix easily and it was start of game it's a pretty expected and logical move to make
And ya know, you can't exactly say it up front, so.-
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Slax, do you have any other reads?In post 157, Slaxx wrote:Egix is town-
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What gives the impression of scum theater?
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I think the problem is that people are making assumptions, which is okay. But then they make hard scumreads based on implications and assumptions instead of what was actually said and instead of asking forming or clarifying questions, they scumread irl townread first. The good thing about questions is that they pin people to positions, the problem is that people are able to paint a picture of what they meant after the fact.-
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Number three, what do you mean by number 3?In post 173, BuJaber wrote:1. If it did not end with a townread there's no reason to stop pushing him/engaging him. You're not done sorting then. It's not like you waited and saw that the wagon was going nowhere and that people were voting others so you felt the need to stop wasting time on something the others won't join you in.
2. Yeah I'm sure he felt a lot of pressure there.. he was struggling for life at L-1 for days.. dayyyys.
3. Doesn't matter and you know it. I'm saying it felt like scum theater to me. You guys are not going to clone each others actions.
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So you're saying because it was a lynch and looked *tooooo perfect* it was theater? I would say that you should wait, if one of us flips scum at some point, THEN look for scum theater. Otherwise I could say that about slaxx and rb or pers and slaxx, or people will probably say it about you and meIn post 176, BuJaber wrote:Number 3 clarification:
Slaxx said that he did not say it was productive like you did. But this whole argument is about me saying your interactions feel like scum theater. So I'm saying that if it is indeed scum theater then it's not likely that you two will copy each other exactly right? So it doesn't matter that he didn't do one of the things that you did for me to read it as scum theater.-
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VOTE: vedith why is buj maybe town?In post 177, Vedith wrote:This part is boring.-
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This is not good enoughIn post 181, Vedith wrote:Because I'm normally right.-
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So you think buj is scum because you think they are scum?In post 186, Vedith wrote:
Then I'm lost for words.In post 184, themilkcartonkid wrote:This is not good enough-
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Honestly I messed itIn post 193, Vedith wrote:
Exactly.In post 191, themilkcartonkid wrote:Except with town instead of scum
Why did you not care that I called Slaxx town?-
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Having trouble with my IP address on my mobile? I don't know when that will be resolved, but I won't be as active because of it. However, I cannot sort the following:
rb
TTTT
Vedith
Love
THe rest are in a sudoku-esque solved tower and my strongest townlean is slaxx rn, but it's a weak townlean. can you guys focus on getting more and better stuff from these guys/gals/robots? vedith's above post is a good example of "more"-
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In post 243, Persivul wrote:
Which posts specifically?In post 242, TTTT wrote:
"finally"?In post 240, Persivul wrote:Nice, someone finally realizes the implications of the mechanic.
it's like you aren't even reading my posts
it's posts like this... I just can't with the anti-town behavior. You need to have a reason to be secretive, not just because, and then SHUTUP ABOUT IT. stop the cryptic implications. If you're hiding a gambit or PR or anything like that, then just. don't. talk. about. it. don't be cryptic, don't be rude, don't try to get other people to guess. If not, then please share your reads and thoughts. Scum has the info advantage and we need to talk in order to balance that out.In post 244, TTTT wrote:I've already said too much-
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Okay, here's the way I see things. Slaxx is town. I read his iso again and his response to me was very town.
Vedith is leaning town.
TTTT is leaning town rn, but is still mainly null
rb and lovebird are leaning scum for lurking
Pers and buj are... complicated. I want one to flip if we get to the end of the day.-
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In post 231, rb wrote:i think the scumteam is egix/milk/bujaberis this a real townslip?
pedit: I don;t have any clue, which is why I need more to sort them-
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So who should we sort this way? I think counterintuitively it should be a strong player bc then its soooooorta follow the cop for the whole day +extra town doesn't get killedIn post 257, Persivul wrote:
Correct. Towns usually mislynch D1 anyway, and the tree stumping feature really mitigates any damage. Any trees who thought about it should have been pretty fearless today. If lynched, you get to see who was on/off your wagon, and you're still around to push your suspects.In post 256, Slaxx wrote:Persivul baiting the lynch (I’m assuming since we discussed this publically you won’t get mad) is a towntell to me.-
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I'm more saying that you CARRIED the last game even though it was an unknown setup to you. You guessed just about every scum correctly within the first two days. I do see what you're saying about everyone else, I've pointed it out to, but I know that normally strong players will want to seem clueless or incompetent as scum bc it excuses all the mislynches or activelurkingIn post 260, BuJaber wrote:Persivul I got mad because you said I have an anti-town playstyle. To me that's playing against town wincon. I don't do that intentionally. Never have never will. I take that responsibility seriously. Multiple times in the past I've ignored my own feelings and tried to fix things just to avoid confusing people into mislynching me. When scum I've avoided flaking or replacing out multiple times because a) it's not fair (and not relevant to this but b) because I'm stuck with it anyway might as well practice and try to get better at it.
That said I haven't felt that you're trying to sort me at all, while I've felt that I've been giving reads and trying to sort people, so it was very shocking to be called anti-town or unproductive or whatever from someone who has less scumhunting content. The quoting thing I explained was a misunderstanding. I don't know any other reason for you to scumread me. Is it the milk scum case? What do you disagree with?
Or is it the scum theater comment? I gave my reasons for that.. you and the other 3 or 4 people that disagreed what about my reasons do you not find plausible? How do you imagine scum theater looking? More obvious than this, or more dramatic and long-winded?
As for the my performance this game.. that comment came from milk who has played only one game with me in which I was playing as a hydra. We also don't know milk's alignment. I did not agree with his statement. What I was trying to portray to him is that everyone here is not playing very townie so it's not been that easy to sort people, so it's kind of weird to say I'm playing at a subpar level when relative to this game and playerlist I'm playing well.
The obvtown thing is a fair observation if taken out of context. I said that to show you that even if I were anti-town here (I'm not), it is not something a trend with me, so it can't be my playstyle. If I were playing anti-town it would be limited to specific circumstances or as a result of the game state/environment (like this one being quite bad for a day 1).
Frankly I am scumreading you but I don't trust that read yet because I think it is pretty clear that you were biased against me which in turn made me biased towards you. A biased read can be correct, but it is better play to let it sit for a while and reevaluate it.
Let's move on...
I don't know what rb is doing but I think being divided between me/persivul is a natural response regardless of alignment. Though his earlier interactions kind of felt that he was townreading me so I dunno if he's just trying to look busy. Earlier in the game I was also very suspicious by how quick and adamant he was about townreading lovebird.
Speaking of whom, lovebird has a pretty townie start, but last forest fire we played when she was scum, she kinda lurked / did some active-lurking, while her partner hyperposted. I don't know if lovebird is inclined to repeat successful scumplay in a repeated setup, but if one of the more active posters were to flip scum, I think it'd be wrong not to suspect lovebird if she continues to lurk. I also think it's quite easy to see when lovebird is actually posting game-progressing posts or just noise, personally I feel confident I can catch her as she continues to post.
I feel fairly confident Egix is town.
I believe the best course of action is still to focus on milk and slaxx. I don't buy that it's TvT, and I think it's very possibly SvS.
Milk has also been quite manipulative, now that I see that his comment actually convinced Persivul. He's exaggerating his knowledge of my meta. (1 game that didn't even have regular mechanics). I can only assume that he's doing it to give more credibility to his fake reads.
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This is lamist, it talks about pers but it's all about buj.In post 314, Lovebird wrote:
Wow, this is really towny. Slaxx, Idk why you scumread Bu.In post 208, BuJaber wrote: I think Persivul is scummy but I want him to be town because it means he didn't catch me last game because of skill or anything that I did wrong but because of his bias against the type of player I am. He just scumreads everything so might as well just flip a coin to see if Persivul is right or wrong about me next time we play.
Pedit: I townread ved bc he did more in the 5 minutes he was there than the other 3 did the whole game. Egix I forgot about-
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This is something I have not thought about. I've been focusing on pers buiIn post 326, Slaxx wrote:In post 59, rb wrote:
policy lynch this before lyloIn post 30, BuJaber wrote:Persivul is here. He's a disrespectful player.
I checked though it's not against the rules unless he actually insults people.In post 206, rb wrote:why do we wanna vote bujaber againIn post 207, rb wrote:bujaber who are your top scumreads
This is all feasibly S/SIn post 224, rb wrote:i can't figure out whether i want to lynch persivul or bujaber-
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Backpedal much?In post 335, Vedith wrote:Not a terrible stump.-
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