Open 750: Forest Fire (Game Over)

TTTT · Post Post #550 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:15 am

sorry that's not helpful

themilkcartonkid · Post Post #551 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:44 am

Why did you want to be stumped?

Vedith · Post Post #552 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:05 am

Milky you too.
It's possibly MyLo today so convince me I'm wrong.
Both stumps I'd appreciate a read on all alive players other than myself and that do not require a flip to tell.

Vedith · Post Post #553 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:05 am

Activity in the game will lose it.

themilkcartonkid · Post Post #554 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:15 am

In post 552, Vedith wrote:Milky you too.
It's possibly MyLo today so convince me I'm wrong.
Both stumps I'd appreciate a read on all alive players other than myself and that do not require a flip to tell.

What are you wrong about?
I hoped that I had been clear in my reads, but I'll put together a list

Vedith · Post Post #555 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:16 am

Well nothing I guess. Do you agree with that?

themilkcartonkid · Post Post #556 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:18 am

I dont think you're wrong so much as you are scum. I dont think I'm going to convince you of that. But that's why I do genuinely want to hear your whys behind your reads. I want myself proven wrong

Vedith · Post Post #557 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:37 am

Okay, what if I wasn't Scum and you knew me as town.
Why am I wrong?

themilkcartonkid · Post Post #558 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:53 am

In post 544, BuJaber wrote:
In post 543, themilkcartonkid wrote:This is mostly just based on the fact that I cant see a world where we've been this bad as town. If you're not scum, we have torn each other apart with no direction from scum
That's an emotional view not a rational one.

Fair

themilkcartonkid · Post Post #559 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:54 am

In post 558, themilkcartonkid wrote:
In post 544, BuJaber wrote:
In post 543, themilkcartonkid wrote:This is mostly just based on the fact that I cant see a world where we've been this bad as town. If you're not scum, we have torn each other apart with no direction from scum
That's an emotional view not a rational one.
Fair

To be clear, my scumread is a lot more than just this. But I can put it all together tonight

TTTT · Post Post #560 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:00 am

In post 551, themilkcartonkid wrote:Why did you want to be stumped?

new experiences man
and I'm often NK'd N1 or N2
and I had this stupid idea that people would listen to my reads more if I was a voteless IC

Vedith · Post Post #561 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:01 am

I don't think I've ever seen you night killed early.

Vedith · Post Post #562 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:43 pm

Milk, why don't you want to engage with me and discuss why I'm thinking wrong as town?

My reads.

BuJaber

Persivul

TTTT

Egix

Lovebird

rb

themilkcartonkid · Post Post #563 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:50 pm

In post 562, Vedith wrote:Milk, why don't you want to engage with me and discuss why I'm thinking wrong as town?

My reads.

BuJaber

Persivul

TTTT

Egix

Lovebird

rb

Because you have refused to give me any reason why. Honestly, I didnt know WHAT you thought until this list and I still have no clue why.

Vedith · Post Post #564 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:56 pm

In post 368, volxen wrote:themilkcartonkid (HAMMERED) (5): rb (87), BuJaber (93), Vedith (344), TTTT (352), Slaxx (356) <= LYNCH

In post 466, volxen wrote:Slaxx (HAMMERED) (5): BuJaber (387), Slaxx (399), Persivul (424), TTTT (427), Vedith (430) <= LYNCH

What's the difference here?
Scum had no reason to push the Slaxx lynch.

What's the same?
BuJaber pushes a lynch to stump 2 players scum reading/not town reading him.

Why would he that as scum?
Day 2 he took a lead on Slaxx, there was no reason to do so.

Vedith · Post Post #565 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 1:57 pm

In post 563, themilkcartonkid wrote:Because you have refused to give me any reason why. Honestly, I didnt know WHAT you thought until this list and I still have no clue why.

But as confirmed town you should be telling me why I'm wrong, regardless.

Vedith · Post Post #566 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:05 pm

The main read Im concerned on is Pers.
He showed intent on lynching you day 1 but never auctioned, he had Slaxx as Scum day 2, voted but was never vocal.

Normally Pers is a lot more vocal when he wants to lynch, but his replace out just confuses me to why he got annoyed on the delay.
I don't ever see Scum Pers getting angry on the delay and the quiet day as it works in his favour.

Vedith · Post Post #567 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:08 pm

In post 406, Egix96 wrote:Please don't do this, I know you're better than this.

VOTE: BuJ

Let's bag ourselves an arso.

This looks like aiming for town credit on T v T argument with Slaxx being main focus at this point.
Egix has really hid under the rstar all game too.

themilkcartonkid · Post Post #568 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:12 pm

In post 567, Vedith wrote:
In post 406, Egix96 wrote:Please don't do this, I know you're better than this.

VOTE: BuJ

Let's bag ourselves an arso.
This looks like aiming for town credit on T v T argument with Slaxx being main focus at this point.
Egix has really hid under the rstar all game too.

I am also concerned about this, so I thi k you could be right about this. @slaxx, why do you townread him?

Vedith · Post Post #569 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:16 pm

In post 487, Egix96 wrote:Anyway, here's where my head's at
I think there's one scum in (BuJ, Vedith, LB) and one scum in (rb, 4Ts, Persi)
i.e. no more than one in each group

This alone is terrible and is just giving all living names and saying there's Scum there.
Doing 2 different groups in possible MyLo means fuck all.

The group's make no sense either given the arguments and how people have played.
Rb would not be Scum with me or BuJ at this stage and just looks to be giving potential mis lynches.

In post 535, Egix96 wrote:(Ved > LB >> BuJ), (rb >> 4T > Persi)
Town -> Scum. >> denotes a greater difference than >.

If Scum then the above only makes sense to have the Scum buddy as TTTT here.
Maybe Lovebird but I don't see it.

BuJ and Pers are basically put to the level for a lynch and I don't think he puts rb Scum buddy as most likely town here.

Vedith · Post Post #570 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:25 pm

70 / 73 / 161 all look forced and no meaning.

148 thinks that TTTT is being an opportunist but never votes, keeps his vote on Pers for naked voted and never follows up or tries to push in any way. Shows he has no issue with either of these plays.
306 Lovebird responds and Egix never follows this up.

themilkcartonkid · Post Post #571 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:31 pm

In post 566, Vedith wrote:The main read Im concerned on is Pers.
He showed intent on lynching you day 1 but never auctioned, he had Slaxx as Scum day 2, voted but was never vocal.

Normally Pers is a lot more vocal when he wants to lynch, but his replace out just confuses me to why he got annoyed on the delay.
I don't ever see Scum Pers getting angry on the delay and the quiet day as it works in his favour.

I read this as him trying not to be as aggressive, therefore talking less. I think a delayed game helps no one, scum or town

Vedith · Post Post #572 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:33 pm

Delayed games help Scum.
Town are more likely to go with whatever because they don't want to put the effort in or feel deflated.
This gives Scum the boost in control of lynching.

themilkcartonkid · Post Post #573 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:41 pm

In post 572, Vedith wrote:Delayed games help Scum.
Town are more likely to go with whatever because they don't want to put the effort in or feel deflated.
This gives Scum the boost in control of lynching.

How I feel right now tbh

Vedith · Post Post #574 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:47 pm

In post 560, TTTT wrote:and I'm often NK'd N1 or N2

This is false.
TTTT has 3 games killed night 1 (2 being far back going to 2018 and the last 1 ended at the start of Jan)
3/4 games killed night 2 and again, these aren't recent.

TTTT actually survives a high % of games and wins or end game.

Why would you have the mentality of not wanting to be an early kill (keeping in mind you can't die until night 2) when there's at least 10 games from your last N1 death completed.
When I'm at my PC I'll pull these stats up correctly.