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sorry micc, i didnt get what you're saying..
are you suggesting that we should have a consensus target on who we want to investigate?
scum would just kill that guy then right?
sorry didnt really get what you were saying even after multiple reads, can you kindly reword it for me?
@dr worm: what's your plan?
@creature, why is it a great start??
@bbmolla, why the self vote? you need some help there?
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what makes a question good or bad for you? who decides?In post 53, Dannflor wrote:
His entrance feels mostly NAI because it's all setup spec, would like to see less of that moving forward. Though I do like that he was just presenting options and not pushing one strategy in particular.In post 43, Creature wrote:If most of Micc's posts are like this, I wouldn't mind voting him.
VOTE: xwingIn post 35, xwing wrote:@dr worm: what's your plan?
@creature, why is it a great start??
@bbmolla, why the self vote? you need some help there?
Three extremely empty questions. One's been asked already and the others aren't helpful. Xwing, how are your Creature and Dr Worm questions gonna help you get reads?
any question for me is fine, as long as it moves the game in any way, esp out of RVS (i hate that most)..
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if it was sarcasm, then i didnt get it..In post 69, Dannflor wrote:I guess it's that I interpreted Creature's "great start" comment as sarcasm and I don't know where the Dr Worm question even comes from. It seems like picking at things to look like you're being in active when in actuality I don't see them "moving the game in any way" as you put it.
anyway you're right, i suck at very early game, so i generally try to come in games when there's already more content..
anyway, i dont feel good about dr. worm, but all the jumping around makes me rethink..
creature wanting to stay in RVS is pinging me..
bbmolla self voting action is questionable..i find self-voting as a really dubious move regardless of alignment..
there's nothing much to go on yet, really..i dont think im good with small talk and starting stuff..........unlike this funny guy here..
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why do you think so? even though PP said it wasn't a serious read list?In post 93, Creature wrote:
I agreeIn post 54, Vedith wrote:PP lockedtown because rainbow reads only by town \o/
in a serious way
what's TMW?In post 96, Creature wrote:
TMW you don't bother to check the OPIn post 84, xwing wrote:@draco lucky: are you an alt?
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i said i didnt feel good about you, but im not town or scum reading you atm..In post 108, Dr Worm wrote:DR WORM VOTED BBMOLLO then XWANG VOTED BBMOLLO.. but XWANG sayd DR WORM BAD IN HIS BRAIN for VOTING BBMOLLO??
YOUR BRAIN DOESN"T MAKE SENSE!!
can you please use small case at least? pretty pretty please?
what about the way we're playing strikes you as town?In post 113, Creature wrote:I'll come up and say Mr Worm, PP and xwing are town
who are you going to vote for, overkill?
i can see where you're getting at, but it's kinda making me feel bb is at the very least anti-town for self-voting and fishing for reactions when he doesnt even read the reactions..kinda defeats the purpose of the self-vote..In post 176, Dannflor wrote:
Both these slots are town imoIn post 156, Vedith wrote:We should lynch Draco a d if Draco town Draco then picks xwing.
UNVOTE: BBMolla
He's not quite towny but he's definitely not scum. I just don't see the scum motivation for entering the game with a self vote, drawing all that attention, and then continuing to play the way he's playing. My theory was that it was a play for town cred by acting as if he'd be okay with his lynch because he'd get an investigation. But that doesn't really fit with his play of "looking for reactions" + not reading the thread. It's sloppy play, and I think mafia would be more careful here, particularly since they entered the game with such a risky move.
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i think the votes on micc are bad..he made a valid point..so im not gonna join that wagon..
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coz i think micc's explanation is perfectly valid..like what's the point of a reaction test if you're not going to read reactions..In post 178, PenguinPower wrote:Why is my vote on Micc bad?
why do you think it warrants a vote?
i must admit what bb's doing seems more anti-town right now than scummy though..unless it's some scum gambit or something..there's too much attention on him rn..
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wow..seems dr. worm is town..In post 196, Dr Worm wrote:I don't APPRECIATE DANNNFLOR and XWINGS unvoting BBMOLL and NOT VOTING new person!! WHY NOT JUST LEAVE VOGE ON BBMOOL FOR PRESSURE?? Why NEED to LOOK like AGREEMENT WITH OTHERS??
dont worry will use my vote..im kinda stuck on who though..
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i respectfully disagree..i think it might boil down to play style, but we've had games where we caught scum coz they were just skimming everything..as scum there's no need to solve, especially in this setup having no PRs..so they dont need to analyze as much as town who is trying to find answers..
anyway i'm generally liking this latest post of yours, more detailed and solve-y..i wish you would use your vote though so i know how serious you are being..
what do you mean by focus exactly?
also, i find your assessment a bit unfair, as dann and i voted very early on, while micc got more content to work with..lastly, it assumes bb is town too, which im still not comfy to settle on..the worm was right..i regret moving off the wagon so hastily..but what's done is done..-
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basically you're suspecting dann for sheeping my vote on bb?In post 211, Vedith wrote:@xwing
But all town are PRs. Scum!Molla never brings that attention to the table.
By focus I mean pushing attention to a player for what you believe/portray as scummy.
Dann in 78
" I likeyourresponse"
"I'll joinyouon BBMolla"
This is basically using you to say he agrees but to not be the primary pusher.
VOTE: Dannflor
dann also followed me to overkill..how does that affect your reads on both of us?
also, scum!molla can be gambiting for all we know..i need more from him to sort, im not convinced of him being town..null at best for now..null/scum for me..
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207 is my reason for voting overkill..
saying his wall post was underwhelming was just me calling a spade a spade..not scumreading him for that bit..
as for bb, i dunno, i really am not comfy with him until he posts more, so no matter how you guys clear him, my null/scum read on him is my compromise..-
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okay, i'll bear this in mind..In post 222, Vedith wrote:Don't get me wrong. I don't think a vote on Overkill is bad.
And i would lynch the slot over keeping with what I have.
I really didn't like Danns response to me though and I feel he was intentially mis reading what I was saying.
i've played a couple of games with dann and i've always called him strong!town in those, so im trying to be wary of being pocketed by him..getting "sheeped " twice might also be indicative of him trying to pocket me (?) so im trying to be on guard, but so far so good..i do find it a bit hard to get stronger than null reads on most though, that's weird..-
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im still not convinced of scum!dann..his points on overkill is exactly what im thinking..im just trying to see both sides of the coin as i dont want to get pocketed, but im still not seeing scum!dann..even his response to dr.worm on why he unvoted was exactly the same reason i had (and i didnt share this info so i cant say that dann copied me)..-
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i think DT is more likely to be town..i was trying to be overly cautious as with dann coz i also fear being pocketed esp by the slaxx head as i also have played with him and find him strong!town most of the time..reads make sense though i disagree on the PP part..
im not convinced of PP scum yet, still more nullish..
he seems quite cage-y with his reads, and also seems indifferent to suspicion on him..
i wish he gets a bit more verbose to make it easier to sort him (at least for me)..
like what are you thinking, why are you thinking that..etc..only if you want though, it's your play..
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you asked if the 3 i mentioned are all town..In post 568, RadiantCowbells wrote:
these ur townreads?In post 564, xwing wrote:{vedith, dr worm, draco, RC, dann}
if they are, i would go with the above next set of names in order..
sooo yes technically you could say the above are town reads as in they're not in my current scum pool..-
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by virtue of having the least number of posts that ping me, i guess..i think i want you to be town..In post 585, RadiantCowbells wrote:
YesIn post 582, PenguinPower wrote:
Directed at xwing?In post 578, RadiantCowbells wrote:Wait I'm your second strongest townread
Wanna talk me through why
i find it a bit hard to get strong reads though..
after reading back, i think i like bbmolla the least..
self-voting, claiming twas a reaction test, but not really reading the game properly..naked L-1 vote on OK..
ppl may say it's too scummy to be scum, but whatever..
VOTE: bbmolla
im waffling on both PP and vedith..the most current interaction re rainbow list seems good..and PP was my least confident scum read to begin with..also creature called PP town..and consequently doubted micc and draco..
@PP:was there a reason you chose vedith out of all the others to compare rainbow lists with, and why?
the way PP called the draco post yucky strikes me as townie..makes me more unsure on draco slot..i find that slaxx should be an easy town read, not sure with u2 though..same with dann (usually easy town read), but im not suspecting dann as much now..
@draco-u2: what do you think are your major contributions in this game for this particular day, and why?
micc is AFK but after reading his posts, they do seem townie enough? the way he observed some of my actions and noted them down for future reference but reserving judgment seem townie, and something i can see myself doing..
the post where i called dr worm town still stands..i think that particular post from him that i quoted was extremely townie..the gimick-y way he's posting is just throwing me off a bit..but i found it the towniest post so far..
consequently, the answer dann gave to this particular dr worm quote struck me as townie too..as it was my exact thought/reasoning..so i dont think dann's scum..the way dann handled my paranoia of him pocketing me seems townie as well..
the rest i think i got nothing in mind, you can ask me for specifics if you want..im getting a bit stressed from work..-
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for reference, this is the exchange i was referring about worm and dann:
pedit: PP, no, this is the first time i've heard of a "rainbow" list..though i assume it's just another name for a read list with a confidence level of some sort..why do you ask?In post 214, Dannflor wrote:[snip]
I didn't know who I wanted to pressure next, and pressuring BB when he's intent on keeping his vote on his own slot feels unproductive too. He's anti-town but not scum.In post 196, Dr Worm wrote:I don't APPRECIATE DANNNFLOR and XWINGS unvoting BBMOLL and NOT VOTING new person!! WHY NOT JUST LEAVE VOGE ON BBMOOL FOR PRESSURE?? Why NEED to LOOK like AGREEMENT WITH OTHERS??
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@PP:
is the reason for choosing vedith secret for now? will you be revealing it anytime soon? is there something i should know about a rainbow list that's AI?
@RC:
okay cool, though i wanna know what your solve is..maybe after a few more people have posted? im being very lazy town when i sorted you, hope it's right lol..
@draco:
i want you to be town, coz i like slaxx..
pedit: what topic in particular do you want micc/RC to address that you dont want to get colored?-
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@PP, im fine to discuss the rainbow stuff for later, im almost off for today, so that's it for now for our real time talk(s)..
takeaways:
-i got a good feeling about PP and how he interacted with me..i just hope not to like people a lot coz it makes it hard for me to scum read them lol..
-i think draco vs pp is TvT..
special mention:
very excited to see RC's solvey post tomorrow..
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how much do you like it? apparently not enough to move your vote though?In post 650, Dr Worm wrote:DR WORM LIKES YOUR LAST POAST MR VADETH!!
pedit: @vedith i think so, last VC from NSG got micc at 4 votes, takes 5 to lynch..-
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@vedith:
yes, please..
disclaimer is i find it hard to read players who write briefly (e.g. molla, pp, you to an extent?)..
so if i cant get a strong town read, i bin them into my scum list, that's how i hunt..
bb looks scummy to me from the top of my head coz:
1) i cant read his brief style
2) i didnt like how he has voted (first for self, very dubious for me..and also the way he voted for OK and micc with almost no explanation)
3) i didnt like how he posed his self vote as a reaction test but failed to read reactions from it..
4) i wasn't comfy with who was defending him (vedith)--this is kinda moot now, i think i can work with you..
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im not sure about 2 (about votes)..no offense but OK really seemed scummy to me so if i were buddies i definitely would have bussed him instead of trying to defend him..so dr worm i could possibly see as a buddy..
i've thought hard about 3 (reaction test) as i had the same thought..he admitted he skimmed..i dont see any scum benefit to admit this..that compared to micc's push on him makes me think he might be town..but that's assuming micc flips red..
Spoiler: PP
tldr: im good with pp for town so far, and him having bb as bottom 3 read is okay, as it aligns with my own reads..
what do you think of RC? i feel i've given him too easy of a pass..maybe i liked the way he stepped in to prevent the pp v draco fight from escalating..maybe the guy is likeable.. @_@-
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ebwop:In post 666, xwing wrote:i've thought hard about 3 (reaction test) as i had the same thought..he admitted he skimmed..i dont see any scum benefit to admit this..thatcomparedplus micc's push on him makes me think he might be town..but that's assuming micc flips red..-
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fwiw, it's scum who usually miss self-imposed deadlines in my completed games..In post 704, Draco Lucky wrote:Has anyone ever done any work to look into whether town misses self-imposed deadlines more often than scum? or the other way around? If someone knows of a MD thread or something, that would be sweet.
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it's a bit hard to use as AI though coz they can say something in line with having RL issues which we have no way of verifying, and will often make people feel sympathetic to them..-
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coz the way he worded the quote before that pinged me as a bit LAMIST, they said something along the lines of "okay we've contributed a lot today no need to 1v1 with you vedith"..In post 810, Dannflor wrote:
also xwing what was the purpose of this question?In post 606, xwing wrote:what do you think are your major contributions in this game for this particular day, and why?-
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Spoiler: wall ahead
TLDR:
im slightly annoyed at dann but think he's town (not personal, just in game..)
im slightly butt hurt at dann's susp, but im town.. (not your fault dann, we're good..)
draco seems town, but i cant get a confident enough of a read to call it strong..
i believe it could be bb/dr worm scum team.. (dont ask for assoc, i dont know, i dont hunt like this)..
JC at worst is null..i'll lynch her after bb/dr worm..
call it a vanity vote or whatever, if there's no good case against someone else that can convince me, my vote is still gonna be here..
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uhhhh i dont get your logic here u2..In post 858, Draco Lucky wrote:Slaxx is pretty confident Xwing is town.
I'm not as confident. That last reads list was bad. Last scum is still likely Bbmolla or Dann
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Worm and Dann are good checks if junko is town
if you say my read list is bad, then why do we have the same, sans dann?
you say last scum is likely bb or dann..im actually voting bb..been voting and susp that slot for ages..
you say dr worm is a good check..im suspecting dr worm as well..
whuuuut? @_@ c'mon man..
killed townies all got me as town..
i suggest you trust the slaxx head on this..but it's your call..
that said, i now feel like i can't trust dann this game..
u2 confusion/waffling on my slot comes from a genuine place..im pretty confident of this..
i cant say the same about dann..he has always read me right..might be coz of how i played this game or whatever, but i feel i've played the game as i've always had..
early on the game, he was "cautious" around me, playing buddy and sheeping my votes..and saying words like "at the risk of you thinking im further buddying you..+ town points for paranoia etc etc".. [paraphrased]..
now, i just feel he's taking advantage of u2's susp to turn against me..
if JC is town (which i feel is a bigger chance rn), it could be a dann/bb team..
if JC is scum, i dunno what to think..
can you rank your reads to me right now, u2?
lastly, if you guys want JC lynched, go ahead, but im not joining the wagon rn unless i personally find it scummy..i want JC to address slaxx's points against her (VCA and the activity-tell) before i say my piece..
tldr:
draco is town, he can be my strongest for now, though i wish i was able to read them waaaay earlier..
jc i feel is more likely town than not, im okay to lynch, but im not joining that wagon..
dr worm is an enigma, i want him to be town..
bb and dann is null/scum
PS: i wanna hear from PP..
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^why im okay with a JC lynch..In post 856, JunkoChan wrote:[snip] if PP decides to finish me I'm venging dr worm or bbmolla-
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did you get draco's point about that particular VCA, though?In post 879, JunkoChan wrote:*eye roll* you don't get it
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did an ISO on you JC, and this is your first post..In post 813, JunkoChan wrote:
In my experience, mafia always kills whoever they think is more treatening or whoever is not scumreading themIn post 811, Draco Lucky wrote:In post 758, RadiantCowbells wrote:
btw i suspect creature was killed because this is rightIn post 113, Creature wrote:I'll come up and say Mr Worm, PP and xwing are town
this seems relevant. Added note: RC later said that he had micc too low on the listIn post 759, RadiantCowbells wrote:{RC, PP, xwing, worm}
molla ????
{Micc, Draco}
{Vedith, Dannflor} btw
-U2
Assumung we are all at least semi experienced here the first one is less likely, by killing RC who had the same reads as Creature it basicly locktowns those reads
Tbh I don't understand how after all that happened day 2 Dr.worm is still not dead
VOTE: Dr.worm
RC and creature got similar reads, and you said that them having the same reads "locktowns" these reads..
dr worm is part of the overlap, along with me (?) and PP (conf!town)..
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what do you think of dann, bb, and JC?In post 884, PenguinPower wrote:
What do you want to hear?In post 880, xwing wrote:PS: i wanna hear from PP..
do you have any reactions/thoughts on the current interactions that is happening?
any last words before you prolly get killed? ^_^-
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they are wrong in what way?In post 885, JunkoChan wrote:
I think I do but I still think he is wrongIn post 882, xwing wrote:
did you get draco's point about that particular VCA, though?In post 879, JunkoChan wrote:*eye roll* you don't get it
Pedit: i think there's a high chance they are both scum but i'm dead sure at least one of them is
really was hoping your answer would further clear you but it's doing the opposite so far..
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i missed this..In post 883, Draco Lucky wrote:@xwing
Paragraph 2 of your wall on dann is just pure ate
Paragraph 3 is "I have no reasons why I think Bbmolla is scum so I'm just going to throw up my hands because it's not like I can convince anyone anyway"
Paragraph 4 is a lecture on how we should have lynched JC yesterday, so now we're stuck with the slot? Like, what?
and then at the end you're clearly self-aware that what you're doing ("call it a vanity vote or whatever") isn't pro-town, but you commit to it anyway.
The whole thing reads scummy
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par2: AtE, yeah i guess, does my frustration read genuine or not to you??
par3: uhhhh what? i suggest you re-read why i think bb is scum..im just saying that most of you dont believe bb is scum so im not going to waste my entire time arguing about it..but i made sure to make my convictions known with my vote..i dont feel like i have to go with general consensus..
par4: is me frustrated with a vedith lynch when before i left the plan was to lynch micc and have him cop someone else..then logging on and knowing there's a sudden change of plans..put yourself in my shoes and tell me how you would you feel about that? does my frustration read genuine or not to you??
yes, im self-aware of the "vanity vote" because dann used the word, im merely reusing it, hence the double quotes..and i dont consider my vote as a vanity vote or even anti-town, because i believe that bb might be scum, and so my vote is there..what do you expect town!me to do? you havent explained why im scummy when we have basically the same reads..zzzzzz..aaaaaand i came up with it first before you iirc..
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i dunno..the VCA argument against you is pretty compelling..In post 897, JunkoChan wrote:We can be friends if you get the win for us even after i die to this mess
my only consolation is if you're town i know you're copping slots who i want to cop anyway..
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the context about "having the same reads" as you was based on your 858..In post 901, Draco Lucky wrote:@xwing You don't think junko is scum, so I disagree that we have the same reads.
I also don't know why having the same reads means I should town read you.
As to whether or not your frustration feels real, I don't know mate. All I'm really confident on is that junko is scum
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anyway, you're right, when i thought about it, having the same reads actually means differently/nothing depending on how you're viewing a particular slot..
so i concede it's basically not a good argument from your pov..oh well..
@dann: maaaaaaan i dunno anymore..your latest post seemed townie and i didnt feel any malice/shading behind it..i cant find something inconsistent or untrue there..i thought we've been in more games but maybe im just recalling wrongly zzzzz.. @_@-
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1. why do you think this is scummy?In post 910, PenguinPower wrote: 1. Don't like you trying to explain RC's reads and flow, especially with the "I've done the same" and admission you don't know him well.
2. Don't like your adjective usage in response to xwing.
3. Don't like your association for scum!Mr. Dr Worm.
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2. which adjective?
3. what do you mean by this?
also, JC is at L-1..-
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deadline is in 6 days, no need to rush..
PP did say he wanted to do the hammer..not sure how motivated PP rn is though.. :-s
@JC, if you're town, what's the benefit of goading others to hammer you?
@draco, if JC is scum, who's her possible scum buddy (you can name multiple if you wish)..
pedit: never mind..-
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