Open 755: Two-Fold C9++ (GAME OVER)
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VOTE: DuckDuckJabWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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First voteWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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It's an open setup, perhaps a little complicated but easy to tell what roles are absent.In post 17, rosterfoster wrote:This is the SKWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Jungle Medicine is waaaaay too easy with the townreads.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Before you yell a bit
please tell a bit
of the zen
behind the Chenn
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@vorkuta, how can you characterize jungle’s reads as factual?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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What is "this" here? The thing you quoted, or something else?In post 77, Vorkuta wrote:this REALLY REALLY pinged me as "traitor scum signaling to home base".Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I knew someone had this Vla pattern but didn’t remember who. Thanks for reminder.In post 112, skitter30 wrote:hey all!
@modi'm always v/la on fridays and saturdays!
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If we see one it says something about the overall power balance btw.In post 105, Creature wrote:Oh lol, there indeed can have traitorsWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Why, and in particular why from that post? I’m genuinely mystified how pointing out no sk in setup is a bad thing.In post 92, Creature wrote:
yeh, can see dave being scumIn post 28, davesaz wrote:
It's an open setup, perhaps a little complicated but easy to tell what roles are absent.In post 17, rosterfoster wrote:This is the SKWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Hmm this was about Jungle right?In post 119, PenguinPower wrote:
Too serious too soon.In post 115, skitter30 wrote:what don't you like about them rn?
I feel like I don’t remember “serious “ from him. Though I’d have to reread.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Yeah that totally doesn’t feel serious.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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In post 14, Jungle Medicine wrote:Vorkuta's town by the way.In post 18, Jungle Medicine wrote:More votes on Dave please!In post 26, Jungle Medicine wrote:Why Sky over Dave, Duckling?In post 33, Jungle Medicine wrote:Vorkuta, Roster, & Rich are town.
VOTE: Chemist
This is scum because awkward vote on Chenn & ignoring everything above to prolong RVS.
None of these posts makes sense as being "serious" in the context in which they were posted.In post 45, Jungle Medicine wrote:Hello?
None of the town reads are based on anything towny.
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Maybe I have a higher standard of what serious means?
Anything not founded in some kind of fact to me fails that test.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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123 was posted in the bathroom on my ipad, where it's not very convenient to open another tab or quote stuff.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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These kinda make sense.In post 146, Jungle Medicine wrote:I'm adding Skitter & Fusco to my list of townies.
The other ones absolutely don't.
Also, 2 balls in play. People who appear to be town may still not be.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I think I’ll stop reading till I get prodded. Making an effort to not get angry.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Eh, it might pass.
Part of my chronic problem is that certain people get townreads automatically and I’m not one of them.
I’m literally clueless about why. But asking about it seems to result in more scumreads.
It’s like my own personal windmill to joust.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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You voted but said nothing about why.In post 215, Persivul wrote:
Still like my vote on this.In post 177, Vorkuta wrote:You're.... not duck. Imma wait until duck gets back. /s
I'm being scum read for trying to make my posts seem fun and fluffy. Ok. Lesson learnt.In post 165, DuckDuckJab wrote:they don't need all the fluff explaining that they're doing that
I don't think that an early D1 wagon on me will get through, so I'm being slightly cavalier about it.In post 165, DuckDuckJab wrote:and that they don't care if they get wagoned, you know?
It'll help me scum hunt better.
Here you still say nothing about why. Just quoting something doesn't tell us what you find troublesome about it.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'm looking at stuff quickly before going to pick my daughter up at the hospital after her surgery.In post 200, Fuscosco wrote:It ends when I sit down to read.
Or, more practically, it ends when people start talking seriously.
I'm reasonably certain that by this point there were plenty of serious things, possibly including discussion of whether things were serious or not. Short of time to verify.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I thought some of your earlier posting was serious. What is this post defending against?In post 236, Fuscosco wrote:will try to be serious thenWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Question: between town and one of the scum teams, which group has an easier "solve"?In post 224, Creature wrote:
MaybeIn post 147, Vorkuta wrote:Do you have enough for a gamesolve yet?Ido.
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Useless without the context you almost never provide.In post 227, Creature wrote:Yeh, DuckDuckJab can go
I don't think I'll ever be fully on the "Creature posting means town" platform until that posting starts including some true analysis and not merely commentary.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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207 is more likely to come from town than scum, though subject to my previously posted caveat about MB.
That concludes this burst of activity.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I don't think you have explained the scum motivation in my posts.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Meanwhile I see someone who needs motivation of some kind.
VOTE: rosterfoster
Has been active, just not here.
Note, this isn't especially satisfying but needs doing while I look for something more interesting.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Perhaps somewhat understandable if you don't know that I'm a highly mechanics-oriented player.In post 249, skitter30 wrote:idk if i see scum motivation so much as they tonally feel weird + the way you're so focused on the setup (and the notion of multiball overall) feels scum-indicative to me. 120 in particular is pinging me for both those reasons. it's kinda hard to put into words but like it kinda feels to me like you thought you were making neutral non-ai posts about the setup and you're confused how anyone could have possibly read anything scum-indicative in what you posted when you were trying to make the posts alignment-neutral. idk how well i explained that
i also don't like how you dismissed jm's reads as being not-serious
I think it would be quite obvious if you look at my recently completed games, for example Greatest Idea or BooneyToonz Extravaganza.
From a town perspective it's extremely important to make sure that other town don't play the game like single ball. In the Greatest Idea game I was suspecting some highly townread players precisely because they were being too easy with their townreads and too easily townread by others.
It is also not hard to find in my meta that I place extremely low weight on early and unexplained townreads, especially when they are on players with only one post at the point of the read. JM's later posting is significantly better. You may also be overlooking that my position on JM was in response to PenguinPower's read on JM being based on "being serious too early" and in fact I'm questioning that push since you can't really infer if posts saying "X is town" without a reason that early in the game are in fact serious or not.
It's very helpful to me that you're engaging me, thanks.
And my daughter's feeling pretty good considering. We'll see how well it holds up after the meds wear off.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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A few examples:In post 253, Vorkuta wrote:
I'll bite- how exactly should town scumhunt or townhunt differently in a multiball setup?In post 252, davesaz wrote:From a town perspective it's extremely important to make sure that other town don't play the game like single ball.
For D1 purposes, what's the difference for town between abest case scenario2:2:12 vs a 4:12?
Townhunting in MB is unreliable and far less important compared to SB. Not mafia / not wolf hunting can be useful after flips.
Scumhunting is complicated by having to put less emphasis on "lack of scumhunting" as a reliable tell.
It isn't useful to say "if X is scum then Y must be town" due to pre-flip interactions in MB, as they can be different teams. Likewise, apparent TvT's can be SvS (MvW) in disguise.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I absolutely meant it, just like I mean every post I write.In post 263, DuckDuckJab wrote:
BuJIn post 247, skitter30 wrote:which of u wrote these?
Skitter's case is a little different, so I'll answer also. Also because I'm getting the feeling she's only doing it to fake a read change on you like she would become convinced by your arguments.In post 248, davesaz wrote:I don't think you have explained the scum motivation in my posts.
For me your meta is irrelevant. I'm not scumreading the mechanics talk for being mechanical. I'm scumreading the post saying there are no SKs and the post defending it because it doesn't feel real.
1. Roster was clearly joking. You attacking him for mentioning SK is a gross overreaction and seems overly defensive.
2. You didn't like that people disliked the post, which again makes you seem easily spooked. They should have scrutinized you for that post. It's not something a townie would usually post despite what you seem to think.
3. Overall I don't think you meant any of that. I think you wanted to push attention elsewhere and it backfired.
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It's an extreme mischaracterization to even call this an attack btw.In post 28, davesaz wrote:
It's an open setup, perhaps a little complicated but easy to tell what roles are absent.In post 17, rosterfoster wrote:This is the SKWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Probably the same thing tbh. I comment about setup-related inaccuracies, joke or not.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Normal RVS
Good post.In post 34, Chemist1422 wrote:
It's my first post in the game, this reasoning isn't valid.In post 33, Jungle Medicine wrote:Vorkuta, Roster, & Rich are town.
VOTE: Chemist
This is scum because awkward vote on Chenn & ignoring everything above to prolong RVS.
A. Vote in 32 not awkward, it's standard RVS. B. Post 32 is hardly "prolonging RVS" by any reasonable definition.Kinda a weird question, it's most likely "both". But asking why on a page 2 vote is pretty NAI.
Conversation, I don't see it as AI.In post 108, Chemist1422 wrote:hi creature
I don't plan on lurking but it does kinda happen sometimes
but it's okay because I've been in a tryhard mood more often lately
Conversation, NAI. The answer to the question is "yes Creature not posting as wolf is kinda a thing here too".In post 235, Chemist1422 wrote:Back into the rabbit hole
Is Creature not being able to post as wolf an MU thing or does it apply here as well
I do want to do some ISO dives but I’m stuck on phone for now
First half is kinda a reasonable question. Second half is meh.In post 270, Chemist1422 wrote:
Is that your only reason for the vote?In post 255, chennisden wrote:
Feels fakeIn post 154, Jungle Medicine wrote:I didn't realize this is multiball? I guess I should take a look at the setup.
HiJungle Medicine wrote:VOTE: Chemist
To answer JM, don't have much of a read, don't think the putative reason for a wagon there is very logical. Some people may toneread it but I don't. Fairly nullish pending content that is more indicative of motivation. One of too many slots that needs to do more.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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@chennisden, if you can spend a little time to give an opinion on skitter30 that would be great.
pedit: town by a mile, I'm severely nerfed in any situation that needs a lie.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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The person who rhymes
needs to make time
to grace our presence
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Also for those who know me, I'm a little freaked out by being in the top 3 for number of posts. This game needs some flame. Guess it's probably just because it's the weekend, but seriously I need stuff to read in order to turn that into reads.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Existence of a PM but not the contents.In post 314, rosterfoster wrote:
Did you not see the day-start PM from the mod?In post 268, davesaz wrote:Probably the same thing tbh. I comment about setup-related inaccuracies, joke or not.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Regardless, all inaccuracies must be stamped out lest someone who doesn't understand the setup act upon the false info.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Can't remember if I replied to this or not.In post 150, PenguinPower wrote:
So, uh, Dave...you want to update your "too serious" response?In post 131, davesaz wrote:None of these posts makes sense as being "serious" in the context in which they were posted.
I don't see it as being possible that they're serious. I think they are just posts with no basis at all.
You're saying they're too serious.
If what you mean is something else (the post I quoted implies perhaps you also agree they're not serious but meant to appear that way? Or that you think they are indeed serious but logically being serious doesn't make sense) then you should say what you mean. As it is, I'm unable to distinguish between your post being shade or accurate.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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@roster -- not an environment I choose to enter very often, for that very reason.
Anyhow, my vote's current meaning is defunct.
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Strike through means you don't mean what was struck through. Your previous post is somewhat suspicious due to the connotation of what was struck. If you're scum, it wouldn't be the first time that I've seen self-deprecating humor reveal scum underneath. And if town then badly placed strike might cause misinterpretation of the actual meaning.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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JM's alignment is kinda iffy still.
I don't normally focus on tone, but I get a medium strength "don't rock the boat" there.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Hmm, wonder if that was someone else I noticed.In post 327, davesaz wrote:Strike through means you don't mean what was struck through. Your previous post is somewhat suspicious due to the connotation of what was struck. If you're scum, it wouldn't be the first time that I've seen self-deprecating humor reveal scum underneath. And if town then badly placed strike might cause misinterpretation of the actual meaning.
Definitely saw something.
Are there two players using strike heavily?
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Oh, it was you, in a different region of the post than I remembered it being in. Was looking near the end of posts not right in the middle...
You explained it just now.
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I use strike myself butverysparingly and in contexts where it's easy to interpret.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Chemist made some good points.
But they're hidden in spoilers which means some players might not see them.
This comment was about JM's first 4 posts (I think). Similar to what PP is saying maybe, but said a lot clearer.In post 333, Chemist1422 wrote: I don’t like how JM swaps back and forth between a supposed joke vote and serious reads.
This is related to what I'm saying tone wise. But I'm less confident that it's a disconnect, it's possible this is merely stream posting by JM.Chemist wrote:In post 141, Jungle Medicine wrote:I hope you're town, Skitter.
I feel like there’s a disconnect confidence-wise between these posts.In post 146, Jungle Medicine wrote:I'm adding Skitter & Fusco to my list of townies.
I saw this, wanted to comment, but decided not to because there was something I needed to check but couldn't at the time.Chemist wrote:
More confidence disconnect to the level where it feels like TMI (even though this is multiball)In post 168, Jungle Medicine wrote:I'll talk with you soon, Skitter.I know you're town& that's going to make this game a lot easier for both of us.
That reservation about it has been cleared up, and I agree now that the bolded seems TMI.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Gimmick doesn't make him town, agreed.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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The one you quoted is a very fine hunting question, but you decided to edit it down to the point that the context is lost. Why take that approach?In post 346, Fuscosco wrote:
Actually, dude dave youre seeming kind of overagitated this game. Wanna crash on a couch and talk it out?In post 240, davesaz wrote:You voted but said nothing about why.
Im not getting a hunting vibe at all with your questions. Theyre all oddly defensive in the weakest kind of way.
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The vote asked about in this post
happened at the end of a burst of activity which started with this postIn post 346, Fuscosco wrote: why vote here instead of your wagon dave?
BTW I think I asked you a question or two during that sequence. Have you answered them? Or was that someone else I was asking...In post 241, davesaz wrote: I'm looking at stuff quickly before going to pick my daughter up at the hospital after her surgery.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Expanding on 362 being in a hurry I didn't even know the VC at that point or care. I noticed someone due for a prod and voted them.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Oh hey, Persivul seems to have posted that case that I was saying he didn't have.
Guess I'll need to look at that after dinner.
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Did you actually call the highest postcount player a lurker? Or is this just an awkward juxtaposition?In post 380, Persivul wrote:I even voted a lurker (the only decent reason to vote dave BTW - his tone is always awkward).
Which brings me to, I like not having a bajillion posts to read but it's so rare for me to have the highest postcount that I'm not quite sure how to react.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Oh, sure it's correct that I push before voting, vs. some people who vote and then push. I know it's more playstyle than scum-indicative for me but others could view this differently.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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The alt reveal doesn't help me at all.
The conversation helped quite a bit more.
"I know I'm townnow" -- whoeversays that? As written it implies there was doubt before. Don't think any of the roles are ambiguous.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I would have expected something along the lines ofIn post 608, Persivul wrote:
WTF, try reading for context.In post 607, davesaz wrote:"I know I'm town now" -- who ever says that?
I know I'm town so I'll push him now.
The now modifies the push in this case, not the knowing.
Notice I'm not basing a read change on this nuance. I don't expect everyone to know those are two different statements. It's a very minor clue, minor enough it could mean nothing.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Got any reads?
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Elaborate please.
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Was this Baezu (spelling?)?In post 756, skitter30 wrote:
i'd kinda like some help reading her because i get like exactly nothing out of reading her postsIn post 745, Jungle Medicine wrote:I'm sorry but I have to keep that reasoning to myself for the moment.
Can you give an example? I don't think I got nothing...Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I don't like the ones who are wrong. I'm always torn between suspecting the people town reading me as trying to buddy, or the scum readers trying for an easy mislynch. Yes I'm aware that this means I could in theory suspect anyone who has a non-null read on me. I'm not sure what to do about it, because I've both found and overlooked scum in both directions in the past.In post 770, DuckDuckJab wrote:How do you feel about the conflicting reads on your slot dave?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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@mod vla till this time Sunday
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