Open 755: Two-Fold C9++ (GAME OVER)

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Two mafia here:
Baezu
Fuscosco
davesaz
DuckDuckJab
Almost50

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That's better than the entire living playerlist as mafia candidates.

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@everyone: Chennis and roster tunneling each other weakly: M/M, M/W, M/T, or T/T?

not T/T

Did this happen D1?

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Is your scumread roster

....yes

Challenge: find a rosterfoster vote from DDJ

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skipping 4 pages this is the least fun I've had for a long time
VOTE: chemist powerlynch obvscum and d2 will be more exciting

Oopsie doopsie

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Yup chemist is where it’s at

VOTE: chemist

Oops

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maybe DDJ/Baezu not mafia together?

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Tempted to say A50 is scum, but can be mafia or wolf.

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Also likely one of {DDJ, Baezu} is mafia

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Yeh, think Baezu is likely scum

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VOTE: Roster

Everyone should post before a hammer, but other than that I'm fine with a short day. We already have 70 pages of material to work with, and anything from roster's buddies will just be wifom now.

I think Titus isn't mafia here.

This is exactly what mafia might post when their partner has been guiltied.
You have no grasp of motivation seeking.

zzzz

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Whatever man

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I may as well just use random.org without chenn and me on it.

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Okay, don't think A50 is wolf, but likely mafia he is.

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wouldn't be surprised if skitter was killed for having good mafia reads.

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Also it should be a red flag that A50 isn't even being pushed rn

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Persivul – 4/9 – Skygazer, Shoshin, Vorkuta, Irrelephant11

i still townread everyone on here except maybe irrel but i don't really think persi is scum here so

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Yeh, Persi = Titus

but Penguin = A50

skitter was pushing Penguin almost all D1

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keeping the vote streak going because why not
VOTE: pp

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VOTE: Penguin

VOTE: penguin

I wanted to point out PP lurking possibly being AI but you beat me to it.
VOTE: PenguinPower

keeping the vote streak going because why not
VOTE: pp

VOTE: penguin

VOTE: PenguinPower

uh though

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VOTE: Roster

Everyone should post before a hammer, but other than that I'm fine with a short day. We already have 70 pages of material to work with, and anything from roster's buddies will just be wifom now.

I think Titus isn't mafia here.

Are you kidding me? There was an explicit guilty on roster on D2!

The "We already have 70 pages blah blah blah" got me.

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I think you can exclude chen, Titus and me from being mafia

We may be wolf? Maybe, but we're not looking for the wolf today anyway

You lost me. Please explain why you/Titus can't be Mafia!

I can say that I've been pushing rosterfoster in a way unlikely to ever come from buddies.

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because honestly; my best guess for a Mafia duo would be you + Titus

maybe you're just mafia refusing to bus your buddy then.

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If Baezu is scum someone should have a case.

I quoted some Baezu posts that are pretty horrible. You can check them yourself.

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Town need to step it up here and actually case people.

When I do, it's shallow obviously.

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It's our game to win but we need to actually win it.

Oh look, a cheerleader

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How tf didn't you notice 2755 is directly a follow up for 2754?

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I've given you advice before on this type of post.

but I missed it

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Say why it's an oopsie.

The post before I quoted and bolded the part Baezu said she scumread rosterfoster. I used "oopsie" to show Baezu wasn't actually scumreading rosterfoster, but rather decided to shade my vote on roster.

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Yeah we know chemist flipped town, but what specifically about this post makes it bad?

It feels opportunistic.

What's the scum motivation compared to town just accepting the common consensus?

Not really that much, but it gets some scum points when compared to what else Baezu has been doing this game.

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And your read here is flapping about a lot.

I never flapped when it came to reading Baezu's posting.

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Baezu looks scum if we look at her posting

but looks town if we look at how other players work around her

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How tf didn't you notice 2755 is directly a follow up for 2754?

Use more words maybe?

It's usually clear for like everyone...

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BWAAHAHAHAHA

Vorki, wtf mate

RIP Irre.

let's check vorki more closely tonight. he's bound to have signalled and shared/sheep reads

Still kinda think bae is the right direction

VOTE: baezu

time to play you

I always get this feeling Fuscosco is hype mafia, but can be town too.

Just unlikely to be wolf.

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So Vork was indeed crumbing defector.

Where?

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just a reminder skitter irrationally hard defended vork so he was more likely shot my mafia than woofers

also still don't townread Fucksco and I can't tell if he's pocketed me in-game and/or I just like his style also I have an ID guess and I can't read him if that guess he correct

But interestingly I think my soul is telling me to vote with Titus

hhhhmmmm

If this is the worst, I guess this should be townreadable?

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So basically, I am too important to kill but to unsorted to live? I can deal with this read atm.

Basically I want you to try your VCA magic and catch the lone wolf for us today, so we can save the town a NK.

6-2-1 now.. 5-2-1 with a mislynch, 3-2-1 is the worst case scenario tomorrow
6-2-1 now.. 6-1-1 with a Mafia lynch, 4-1-1 is the worst case scenario tomorrow
6-2-1 now.. 6-2-0 with a WW lynch, 5-2-0 is the worst case scenario tomorrow

The difference is 4-1-1 becomes a TOWN LOSS if we mislynch (i.e. it's actually MyLo), while 5-2-0 gives us another mislynch before LyLo

Love the way A50 thinks there are 9 players alive.

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yea we def want the wolf today

Why?

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hmmmmm


I think that bae is acceptable, but I actually want titus as the bud. Vorki is defending persy and wildly yelling about him all game. I could see persy brushing him back.

VOTE: titus

yea, im sold here.

That would mean Titus is wolf, but I'm seeking for mafia. Also that would look bad for whoever pushed Titus over Baezu if Baezu is mafia.

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So Vork was indeed crumbing defector. Good to know.
That makes WWs Tx5/Tx6 (Tier 1), and this means the Mafia are Tx3/Tx4 (Tier 2).
Actually the Mafia are CDDITTT precisely. They have a goon and a Roleblocker/Role Cop left alive.
The WWs are D?TTTTT or DTTTTTT with one Basic WW left alive.

Not understanding why it must be exactly CDDITTT and not less Ts?

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Day 1 is probably a mafia heavy wagon on the second pass.

because that like includes everyone alive?

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My VCA is not generating many wolf suspects :/ They are too quiet on vca.

Well, luckily we were mostly looking for mafia anyway.

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Okay, Fusco is town on page 104

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@A50 thoughts?

The major difference between our reads is I could see Creature as either anti-town alignments the way he's playing. He has been away for great chunks of the game.

Other than that, I think Baezu is my #1 suspect for a WW, and if I let go of my paranoia about you then I agree Fuscosco would be my #1 Mafia read, followed by -again- Creature.

I thought All of dave, DDJ & Chenn were town already, so my lynch pool was in Creature/Titus/Baezu/Fuscosco, but I think I can exclude you for now, so yeah.. well done.

A50's post is bad.

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We're aiming for mafia btw. Won't give them the satisfaction of going to 4v2 MyLo.

are there 8 of us or 6?

This is a dumb post, should've been pretty obvious we would go 4v2 if we lynched wolf today.

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btw beazu's nakedvote on foster is not bad

?

Did it ever happen?

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Dave and Critter not voting is bad.

We're like one mislynch away from losing majority, so yeah, I'm being more careful.

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Hmmm.. now considering Creature more for a Mafioso. I get the feeling he's trying to pocket the Wolf AND keep her alive to benefit from that extra NK tonight. *Thinking*

Standoffs aren't really fun.

Maybe I would be trying to get wolf lynched pushing him/her as mafia.

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When I look at voting patterns I wonder if both Almost and Titus are scum, on opposite teams.
Weird that it got so quiet.

This is a whole feeling ya

DDJ seems to have fallen out.

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hmm ok

titus i think youre town even if its controversial

btw beazu's nakedvote on foster is not bad

I can accept baezu today but I rly want fusco dead soon

i dont read titus scum.

our pool is titus beazu

What's up with the inconsistency?

I don't think scum!davesaz would push chenn here.

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Why did you cop roster again? You already seemed confident he was scum

I doubt that you would've lynched him without a guilty.

Yes, I have reads:

Baezu town
Jab leantown
Persi leanscum
Dunn scum

Chenn thinks Baezu is town too? Or at least didn't retract this later...

Inb4 davesaz starts quoting posts from other games and say I changed my read too quick.

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Davesaz, why is your Baezu iso almost exclusively Baezu defense yet your TR on him is allegedly weak? The only time you really interact with him is calling him lazy.

8 days left on deadline.
The question is about chenn's inconsistency, not who is included in that inconsistency.

Meh, yeah, that's not an actual Baezu defense.

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Dave's posts are looking really scummy here. Like Dave wanting to protect Baezu scummy.

Titus looks more like wolf here

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So, I think Baezu is almost confirmed WW by now.

Great, I think Baezu is mafia. I'd rather lynch mafia, you'd rather lynch wolf. So I think that lynch is good for both of us.

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A50 looks scummy, but not wolf. Not sure if A50 matches with Baezu though.

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I kind of feel like modding soon.

Any good ideas to whet my feet?

If you run this, drop me an invitation to play.

Not a good setup imo

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tbh any setup with an SK sucks, so there's that.

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VOTE: Roster

Everyone should post before a hammer, but other than that I'm fine with a short day. We already have 70 pages of material to work with, and anything from roster's buddies will just be wifom now.

I think Titus isn't mafia here.

This is exactly what mafia might post when their partner has been guiltied.
You have no grasp of motivation seeking.

Wanna push Persivul as some sort of furry creature?

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That's Titus slot btw.

I don't know what to make out of that post. What do you think?

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Look at what happens after the Persivul and PP wagons.
That's the main reason I've already said that wagons point to both slots being scum on opposite teams.

I don't think PP is wolf, so could be PP mafia and Persi wolf, but gotta see if PP + Baezu matches.

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VOTE: Roster

Everyone should post before a hammer, but other than that I'm fine with a short day. We already have 70 pages of material to work with, and anything from roster's buddies will just be wifom now.

I think Titus isn't mafia here.

Are you kidding me? There was an explicit guilty on roster on D2!

Ha! Didn't say Titus couldn't be wolf.

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because honestly; my best guess for a Mafia duo would be you + Titus

That would mean I pushed both my mafia buddies D1, but I'm usually anti-bus

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Fact checking shows that Baezu has not previously mentioned this FoS.

Yep, that was what I pointed between post 2754 and 2755. Could be that Baezu never stated the FoS, but feels like some grasping for towncred when she didn't do anything actually.

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Wolf because less kills. That should be obv. Mafia hunting is wolf indicative in this game state.

I'm usually pretty pessimistic about 4v2, while when it's (1-4):1:1 there's always a chance of crosskill.

I'm struggling to find mafia rn, so I'm sorta relying on wolf to take common sense and actually aim for mafia because they're pretty much losing if they don't.

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I don't know what else town may have against mafia. Also I think they should have like two kills lined up until 5p LyLo.

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I'm at A50, Baezu and Titus as antitown, with DDJ as an alternative. What do you think?

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Actually BuJ is not a good look.

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I need mostly to talk with chenn to see if we can agree on dave, then maybe dave can be my second pair of eyes.

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Im at work, but I skimmed that absolute unit of a catch-up

What do you think?

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So Vork was indeed crumbing defector.

Where?

Not quite sure, for I haven't actually read D1,

BUT

I did ISO skygazer and she said Baezu was signalling being traitor to his team, and since sky flipped Town I adopted the idea. I think she even quoted it in her ISO.

but you said Vork was the one crumbing, not Baezu.

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I mean I guess intent. but im all for letting critter hash things out more.

Not sure what else to do, maybe I just want Baezu to answer, but if she doesn't soon, feel free to hammer.

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yea we def want the wolf today

Why?

because mylo beats relying on crosskills

I'm usually pretty pessimistic about 6p MyLos, specially because I can't tell who's mafia rn.

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anything damming you see from him?

Yes, BuJ seems to have a lot of posts but I can't notice him, which is usually a red flag.

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Do you think we can swing a wagon on him?

If Baezu comes in and actually starts doing stuff, sure. Otherwise I'll feel bad doing that switch.

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I was expecting Titus to be the wolf, but if Baezu flips wolf, I think Titus is more likely to be town.

Gonna need to re-check though.

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Did we get scum?

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Wow we somehow won

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This setup is ass for town, but already was expecting that when I signed up.