Open 768: C9++ [GAME OVER]

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also p impressed you knew it bc I was intentionally being somewhat obscure

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ooooooh menalque i thought you were talking about the jingle read/him pushing a mysterious agenda on purpose by obfuscating

by 'again' wrt teacher buddying me i meant i felt like that earlier this game, and now i feel like that again

obviously in the newbie i faked being paranoid about getting buddied, i was scum lol

yeah this is why I was kinda confused because I knew the paranoia was fake in the newbie

NB: read this all again when you're sober mena

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GDI! I was overly thrilled in anticipation of receiving a

SERIAL KILLER

Role PM. Imagine my disappointment when I found out I was Town aligned.

Anyway,

let's pretend I am a SK nevertheless

. My plan here is to roast a duck today, dismember a Bingle at night, then get lynched by a skitter tomorrow. How does that sound?

Hello everyone, and @the 4 who don't know me: I am the true incarnation of "Sarchaosm". Can you guess who my parents are?

ngl this goes a bit beyond crumbing

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how much freedom do you get in terms of curriculum, teacher?

also what exactly do you do with AP students vs students in standard classes?

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how much freedom do you get in terms of curriculum, teacher?

also what exactly do you do with AP students vs students in standard classes?

Entire freedom, but all the kids across the network (mix of charter and independent schools) take the same test at the end of the year and my pay is based on their performance (non-AP). In my AP classes, everyone is expected to take the AP, and Im rated/evaluated by the class average. The average graduating senior from the network has 8AP credits.

do you just teach AP history or other classes too?

also seems kinda fucked up that your pay is linked to their marks but maybe that's a cultural difference between UK vs US

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I had BS and flipperz mixed up in my head because they were the other ones voting you. I liked 176 by flipperz and it’s enough for him to be town for now

At Mena, ignore my earlier question on the BS townlean. But you did put Emps on your readlist, so now I have questions about this explanation - like did you fully cross them in your head (to the point that flippy's spot in your Readlist should be BS?

I don't remember perfectly now but I think so yeah?

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sidebar: ducky, skitt and I still need that hydra name for us

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See, the implied object of "i'm" here is wrong. Thats how English works.

It's used wrong, but I'm there means I am. Very obviously. And it's really not much of a leap to think that a non native English speaker wouldn't understand the nuances of contractions and would assume I'm and I am are fully interchangeable.

he means that the implied object is "wrong" as in, the phrase meant "I'm wrong" even though the word "wrong" wasn't used at the end

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and is highlighting that in contrast to the bit where nibs said "you're"

honestly I've kinda been skimming the argument because trying to decide whether grammar is AI when there's a non-native speaker involved is a pain in the arse, but I feel like what teacher is saying is p clear? and also nibs clearly has a very good level of English so even if his contraction was off the question is whether he understood the implications behind it, not whether he mixed up when we'd use a contraction or not

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VOTE: bingle

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Still don’t like A50 tho and don’t really get why no one is looking there

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Unvote. Vote: Nibbui

Every accusation you’ve made towards me has been awful awful awful

Why does that make nibs scum?

Wicked if you’re back can you answer this pls

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Gonna catch up properly tomorrow, busy day so I’ve been reading but not really processing

NSG lemme know if there’s anything you wanna chat about, I saw that you had me in preliminary town so I’m kinda curious about why there and why preliminary

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I'm starting to think theres scum in (melanque norgeboi)

Go on

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Also gonna have lunch and catch up now

Just got done winning a scumgame that was taking a lot of focus

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What exactly is the case on teacher scum?

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That’s a really shit reason for a wagon and more if the wagon already existed

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Teacher can I interest you in a monkey lynch today?

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Someone stop me now if A50 did anything useful in the last 8 pages or so

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Teacher was scummy before because he produced v limited content

Then he turned up and produced content and showed us he’s a pedant which should come as a surprise to.. literally no one on this playerlist? I like you teacher but I kinda don’t think you’d disagree with that, and I can be too

So tbh teacher’s whole thing ofthisbeing scum being happy with the gamestate is prob true and as you said makes sense with A50 or nibs being scum and I still don’t get why no one is TRing A50 but also no one seems to be interested in goingthere

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VOTE: A50

@bingle currently making dinner but I’ll get an argument up for him later

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So I ended up drinking wine and not doing a case but basically:

(1) lots of posting but v little actual content — the appearance of doing things while mostly avoiding it

(2) this couples with him basically voting almost every viable wagon. I don’t think he voted ducky but I think that he was on egix, bingle, now teacher

(3) his reads have seemed super changeable and I don’t really see the progression in them, which makes me think he didn’t have real reads in the first place

Will case tomorrow night night

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I am still kind of around now tho if anyone wants to jam live

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This’ll work

Drdoo explain your thing to me about why you think there’s a scum in (me, Norwegian)

Also what were your earlier reads on the two of us (both townlean, townread?)

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Okay so you have me here briefly is there anything you wanna chat about

What did you make of teacher!wagon?

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but the reads i have

skitter30 - town
Wooper the worst - lean town
Menalque - lean town
teacher - scum+
Emperor flippyNips - town-
Egix96 - lean town
NorwegianboyEE - lean town
Volpe14 Nibbui - town
Almost50 ceejayvinoya - lean town
Wickedestjr - town-
Bingle - town
northsidegal Blatant Scum - town-

I looked at that and I said hey I have too many town reads this game and its no good, so shifting people down, its egix, you norgeboi, whopper. But I looked at both egix and whopper carefully, so its a post that says hey here's two people that hasn't been looked at carefully by me and most other people that warrants a bit of attn. does that make sense?

Okay yes but why not A50?

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Bingle what’s your logic on skitt + ducky being a team?

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Sorry, skitt + whopper

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Sorry, skitt + whopper

Skitt's been on me/tw being s/s forever, but always wanted me over tw.

tw now stands for the wooper, btw.

Why is that AI? If she’s town then it makes sense to focus on one person(the one she finds scummier) rather than split her effort into pushing two with half effort

If she’s scum then she knows that and she just stays on you

Even if you’re town it still doesn’t say v much about skitt imo

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that's really funny. it was exactly my thoughts after a50 wagon started forming. like I just forgot his presence at bit. But I thought about it, skimmed the iso, and was just not thrilled by it.

What is this replying to?

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I disagree with teacher hopping on A50 as a good sign but I agree it's not badposting.

lynching A50 here is really complete random odds of flipping town/scum in my opinion though with the caveat of being a low info lynch either way.

Disagree that it’s low info

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Sorry, skitt + whopper

Skitt's been on me/tw being s/s forever, but always wanted me over tw.

tw now stands for the wooper, btw.

Why is that AI? If she’s town then it makes sense to focus on one person(the one she finds scummier) rather than split her effort into pushing two with half effort

If she’s scum then she knows that and she just stays on you

Even if you’re town it still doesn’t say v much about skitt imo

That's why they have partner equity. I cased skitts a while back, but honestly I'm not interested in lynching there today.

I don’t see it vs why it’s NAI

Like if skitt would do the same thing as either alignment (pick a slot and focus there unless there was something major that happened to make her shift pov) then why does it make them more likely partners

Plus I agree with skitt that you’re scummier than tw

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God I wish I was scum.

same ;z;

That’s weird I wish I was town

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Being scum is stressful u dummies

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Hi northsidegal

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Being scum is stressful u dummies

Scum is easy. You know exactly what you have to do and how to get to point B (Winning game). Town is hard. You can put in all the effort, break all the noses, force through all the reads, and then just be wrong. And there's nothing you can do about it.

Like, I'd take losing to my own shitty play over losing to me playing well for the enemy any day.

I actually disagree with this for real tho. Scum is stressful bc the ball is in your court. You’re winning or losing by how good your play is.

Town is chill because if you’re totally wrong then hey, it’s a limited info game, sometimes that just happens. That’s not to say it doesn’t have stressful moments but I think the odds are kinda stacked against you that I feel like there’s no shame in losing (normally).

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Is it just me or is nsg ignoring me

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VOTE: A50

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Hey skitt

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I’m not overly nervous of you yet, there’s a distinction there

Plus I don’t think you kill off nsg N1

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Mostly (1) I don’t your bingle push was in bad faith (2) voting A50 today was good as I increasingly think that there’s scum there and I don’t see why scum!you would come out of the gate bussing unless you thought it was an inevitability

That’s kinda worrying then, yeah. I thought you wouldn’t kill her N1 bc your scum game revolves around pocketing people and she was fairly hard TRing you I think. Plus I’m less paranoid about you not being dead given that nsg was in the game, whereas I’d generally expect you to be a N1 kill more often than not

Why do you think I should be more paranoid of you here?

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Can anyone tell me concisely wtf happened in the last 20 odd pages

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I mean I skimmed quickly but so I know there is at least one person fake claiming

I thought it was you but I wasn’t sure about the others

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Ffs

I can’t be bothered to reread this rn but I don’t think you’re being legit

Can someone else give me like an actual shorthand for when I wake up tomorrow

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Or you could just give me an actual catch up

Cause I doubt A50 is the person who’s gonna do that regardless of alignment

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A50 why did you fake guilty then withdraw it?

Why is wicked holding the guilty?

Whats been towny about egix/pk popping in in your opinion?

Also why is skitt now transparently town?

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Wicked you should out it if you’ve got it, if you were gonna sit on it to association farm then you shouldn’t have claimed in the first place

What do you mean by diarises? Like I agree that skitt is still prob town here although her saying that nsg would be a high priority NK for her makes me slightly anxious

I didn’t read the you/nsg convo

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I don’t see what the advantage is in keeping it quiet because it just means playing WIFOM over whether scum changed interactions since the reveal or stuck with what they were doing

And I know that she’s strong but I was thinking that specifically for skitt she didn’t make sense, or made less sense

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I mean I’d feel better about that if I was townreading you

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the respect one has to place on paragon's reads over norwegian and egix weighs heavily on me

Idk what you mean

You mean of her reads vs their play?

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And it removes the benefit if you explain it now?

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Why?

Do you mean that you TR Norway now?

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So that answers my questions kind of

Where were you on Norway before?

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the respect one has to place on paragon's reads over norwegian and egix weighs heavily on me

@menalque yeah, egix's play especially.

I actually thought norwegian's handling of my guilty was pretty townie

Okay can we talk about this a lil bit?

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So like I don’t really understand the first one

As in why you made it

And why you included Norwegian if you TR him anyway ?

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Oh so it’s not about other people putting stock into her reads in a way you find weird? That was the vibe I was getting

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What is the case on egix?

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Scissors. Wooper is still scumming it up, with a side of reaction test to feel townie.

Do you think wooper is the type of player who is likely to fake a reaction test as scum?

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@men yeah, its weighing on me primarily, but i wouldnt be surprised if it weighted on others too

Okay tell me why you think egix is scum in a non-nsg vacuum

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I don’t really think egix is scummy

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Why do I bother saving a partner here when I could just bus and coast

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That was @volpe

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What’s your current read on volpe/skitt then teacher?

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I mean I also think that volpe is more likely scum over skitt but I don’t particularly SR her

Why does the cycle of being a leader then disappearing make you SR there? Also which are the bad pushes other than you?

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Are you TRing egix?

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Okay so why do you think scum was on both sides then?

Also yes, I meant do you, teacher, tr egix?

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VOTE: wooper

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I think you know that it’s a half truth to say that reaction tests don’t look towny

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Norway what are your current reads?

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Why are we not lynching wooper again?

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thinking (wooper, A50) + 1

seriously no-one else is pinging from the fact that I tried to get a wagon on A50 for like 2 days and can't seem to get past 4 votes

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and I'm p sure wooper was on that wagon both days before hopping off as soon as it seemed viable

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I don't really see teacher!scum here tbh

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what are you seeing that I'm not? talk me through it

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does anyone TR A50?

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okay so then why has it been so goddamn hard to get a wagon going there that hits any sort of momentum or stays for longer than about 5 minutes

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I think wooper is scummy and was prob trying to get towncred from the fakeclaim. also dislike that he then claimed that fake claiming/reaction testing isn't seen as towny bc I think that's misrepping -- initially it's not seen as towny, but if you get through that then I think it tends towards being quite strongly townread bc people end up saying "what was the scum motivation there, why do scum draw attention to themselves in that way" etc

but I think A50 is scummy partly for play and partly for the fact that trying to get anything to happen around him is like trying to make water flow upstream

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actually yeah fuck this

VOTE: A50

wooper can wait

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Okay why do you wanna do wooper first? Clearly, a wooper wagon is possible and will stay around, even if it’s not getting super high

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Whereas A50 won’t even take off seemingly

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Skitt, Norway, do you wanna vote A50 w/ me?

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As in you don’t have time, you can’t put it into words, or you don’t want to?

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Okay, idk what you mean about yesterday really, I still haven’t read the last 10 pages or so but I don’t remember it feeling unnatural in terms of bingle being the lynch over worst. As for wagon stalling that’s concerning but not enough for me to want him over A50 who again, it seems no one is townreading but no one wants to vote. I just don’t think A50s ISO is a town ISO, especially not on D1

Tbf, i still haven’t caught up but I just don’t think the way he’s been playing is town

Also I feel more confident on A50 scum independently whereas my wooper read is at least somewhat linked to the A50 slot, so I’d rather do that first

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Come on A50 with me for now unless you’re gonna hard push wooper bc otherwise we’re just gonna be splitting town either way and the apathy in this game is gonna kill us

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Are you willing to say why you don’t want to?

Also it’s no longer wooper and Norway has joined but yeah I think that’s right numbers wise

I think you’ve been pushing wooper but not hardpushing @teacher

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If he’s not facing resistance why is it so hard to keep him at at least L-2 for a while preferably L-1

Teacher why are you worried about wicked?

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Oh wait you mean before he outs? I don’t think anyone other than scum quickhammers here so I think that we’re pretty golden on that front

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I think softing is prob -ev for town tbh, just generally

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This is some weird fucking shit you’re pushing A50

So you’re town

And you believe skitt is town

But if she puts you at L-1 then you’re gonna self hammer

Because you’re upset that she can’t see through the weird shit you’re doing?

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Whats the problem with being at L-2? I’d prefer to have you at L-1 but I can dig L-2

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Why are you acting so shocked at being wagoned?

What have you done that should make me townread you?

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Who complained about wicked holding a guilty? lynch them before endgame unless they're literally cleared

P sure that was me lol

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A50 why are you avoiding engaging with me

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Skitt are you reading the emotion as genuine or fake?

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I think I’m leaning genuine but that’s not really doing a lot for me readswise

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No, lets wagon A50

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@skitt and teacher you were both down with voting A50 a page or so ago what’s changed since then

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I knew you did from that facepalm afterwards. Now why do you think I'd do that fake guilty when I know you already know I'm not a Cop? I mean, I already explained why I did it, but maybe you have an idea of why scum!me would. If so, I'd be most obliged if you shared your theory.

I think (?) This is a semi-cogent point

Yeah but I don’t really see why scum!A50 wouldn’t crumb a different role then fakeclaim cop anyway

But alright I tske your point

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Yo wicked if you’re still around do you wanna vote A50 w/ me?

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Whats the paranoia on Norway?

Also why did you stop being paranoid about me?

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That’s actually mildly town indicative for wooper

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Hmm

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Town: wicked, probably egix, menalque, ddl, maaaaaaaybe a50, nor (slightly paranoid of him tho), volpe

can you weight these and explain why you're paranoid of nor in this gamestate?

I mislynched him in a newbie like a month and a half ago for playing ... badly and without like having cogent thoughts so the fact that he reads so differently here and has like ~nuance~ and ~good tone~ is worrisome and paranoia inducing

I mean I don’t think he particularly has cogent thoughts or is playing that well here but I do think he’s town for those reasons, just newb town

Like he seems similarly bad to haunted village that was abandoned

Where’s the nuance?

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Whats the paranoia on Norway?

Also why did you stop being paranoid about me?

Idk you became townier and stopped doing things that made me paranoid

This actually kinda worries me bc now I’m not sure if your paranoia was real or just something you were bullshitting because I was kinda uncomfortable at points on D1 with you not being more paranoid of me

But I don’t think you could respond to that in the moment so the timing is kinda iffy

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Hey, look ma, I’m on top of the page

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I mean I don’t think he particularly has cogent thoughts or is playing that well here but I do think he’s town for those reasons, just newb town

Like he seems similarly bad to haunted village that was abandoned

Where’s the nuance?

Trust me, it's a lot better than the newbie

Go check haunted village and compare to here

I think he’s similar but his play there was bad enough that I was literally calling him an openwolf on D2 in the dead thresd

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Wooper I’m starting to feel like you just wanna be on whatever wagon has the chance of going

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Actually i want to demote a50 out of my townreads

Come and vote him with me then

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I dont like your vca, it feels narrative-driven

Let's talk about teacher's vca

Okay, go on

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You guys win the prize for second best name in TM2020

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I know I was the consensus D1 (which in itself should tell her something since my wagon wound up on town)

Like here ^
He's using it to create a narrative that those wagon-dynamics point to town!him (on dubious reasoning) while discussing another point entirely (that he's paranoid of me)

There's a bunch of these

I mean is it dubious reasoning if he’s town and just conf biasing from that tho?

I just skimmed his ISO v quickly and for example 3562 seems more like its from a town pov that’s forgetting that he’s not conf!town than from scum trying to fake that perspective

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I mean I think you’re just conf biasing in the other direction bc you’ve been reading him as scummy for ages

But like from town!him perspective he was the consensus D1 until he claimed doc and I think that makes as much sense coming from town as it does from scum

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Maybe I should be reading this as NAI bc the way you’re seeing it from a different angle is giving it a totally different shine to you

But like what do you think town!teaxher would be doing differently here from a play perspective?

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Like I dont see how this flip isnt town-indicative for me, yet nobody has done that kind of VCA.

Ok

Explain to me why that flip should be town-indicative for him?

Bc from town teacher pov he was meant to go through, right?

Then the players in red switch over to bingle (+wooper) who flips green

The competing counter wagon was made up of nsg (conf!town) bingle (conf!town) teacher (his pov conf!town) plus wicked

So I can see where he’s coming from if he’s town in thinking the counterwagon was on scum and the shift in votes was scum shifting to their second preference after failing to get him

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Okay so what would he be doing to try and get you to not SR him? Bc from where I’m standing he’s trying p hard but you’re not really listening to him or you’re coming at it from being susp in advance which makes you see it negatively

I think you are conf biased here skitt

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If i'm confbiased i dont entirely know how to get unconfbiased rn

I think look at 3804 and think about that q

I think you’re reading into stuff that’s NAI or is him exhibiting the things you say you’re looking for but you not seeing them

Idk maybe re-ISO him pretending he’s town and see if you think his behaviour makes more sense that way than it does atm?

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When I said (+wooper) all I meant was the wooper was also on bingle!wagon

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Not really I find him really hard to read

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her display her is so dramatically different than those experiences.


Contrast: my manipulative scum game to my nongame here.

I’ve never played with pk!scum but is this an accurate description?

Otherwise glancing at the ISO it’s not great

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Going to sleep now, peace

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Norway that’s actually kind of a good point about them potentially not being scum together, but the exact reason why scum would fake a guilty is because they know that it leads to this sort of “but why would scum do that/what’s the motivation” thinking

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Scissors. Wooper is still scumming it up, with a side of reaction test to feel townie.

rxn tests don't look towny

Which is again why this line being pushed from wooper is worrying, bc he knows that even if reaction tests don’t look towny the moment after outing they do tend to look towny after that

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Like if you can weather the whole “he lied, therefore he’s scum, LAL” storm in the immediate aftermath

But that doesn’t actually get lynched that often so overall reaction testing via fakeclaims or w/e is trying to look towny

It’s just doing it in a more subtle way than making a strong effort to look town through posting your thoughts, being logical, leading town etc

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Again, if A50 is town why is it that every time I try to get his wagon going it picks up a couple of votes then stalls out or focus gets redirected

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Like if he’s town why do scum not at least try to help that wagon along with a little push rather than just not letting it get any traction

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Which game?

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Also what’s your general opinion on gamestate reads?

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Also imagine a50's town here - why does this wagon keep falling apart?

If i'm pushing a mislynch, why arent scum content to just let me have it?

what were scum doing in that game when you were pushing A50?

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And there was also that weird moment back in D1 where A50 got 4 votes in the span of a single hour while the whole wagons with Wooper and Bingle was going on. So to be perfectly frank, i’d actually vote Wooper over A50 if given the choice between the two. Since A50 almost felt like a weirdly scum-motivated scapegoat people piled their votes onto.

I mean I don't think that makes sense

bc I think that wagon was something like me, bingle, teacher, wooper?

so 2 conf!town (my perspective) and a mech!town failing a CC from teacher

that's a p town-motivated wagon imo, and honestly wooper being on it there isn't even that AI for him bc I think he looks for a compromise out of him/bingle regardless of alignment

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I’m not sure if this: "If A50 is town, then why doesn’t he get easily lynched? Ho Ho Ho!" argument is all that genuine sounding.

also you're simplifying here: it's not just about lynching him, it's about the fact that there is resistance to the wagon/push every time I've gone after it

D1 that flash wagon came up then disappeared bc people wouldn't stay on/noone else joined

I know that wagon was town motivated and even fypov it should be p town motivated

so why didn't it get more traction? simplest answer is bc A50 is scum and scum didn't wanna vote him

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so do you actively think A50 is something I'm wrong on here skitt or ?

bc if you think I'm wrong beyond just being wary then I'll try and look elsewhere but like the way the game is moving around A50 slot feels off

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Kay, i’m sold.
VOTE: Almost50
Menalque, what’s your opinion on Wooper?

tbh I'm all over the place on wooper, I've gone back and forth about 5 times since D1 I think

could be scum but I don't feel as strongly on it as A50?

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like the fact that the alternative that's been proposed to A50 today seems to have consistently been wooper makes me think he could be being set for a mislynch but I'd need to check who's been pushing him

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okay so if you treat teacher as mechtown for a minute and we didn't do A50, where would you wanna go?

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okay, what specifically are you worried about re: egix? I don't think I was particularly scum reading him but I can't remember why

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My vote's on teacher in spirit.

Good job Woop

UNVOTE: volpe is indeed town
I have no idea about teacher's alignment and am still irritated we didn't get a rxn from him

It's okay, he's still scum.

Im not mech sort - see Newb 1959 (just ended, so couldnt talk before).

Im I have like 13 pasges to catchup on. Anyone want to give me the TL/DR?

Woop and I both know you're scum. Break out the lolcats.

@Egix

can you explain why you are scumreading teacher right now? You seem to be pretty confident, but these are the only posts I can find where you talk about him. It looks like you started scumreading him once Wooper posted the fake guilty, but kept the read even after Wooper retracted.

Let me put it this way:

Fmpov this game makes little sense if Teach is town.
As in, I can't really imagine a three-person maf team without him on it.

VOTE: teacher

Whether it's 3 or 4 on Woop, that's still too many.

VOTE: teacher

Whether it's 3 or 4 on Woop, that's still too many.

his alignment is confirmed via massclaim
it's an open thing

@teacher we're not lynching me because I'm town. if you are town and don't like my pk vote find a better target for me plsssssss

Fffffine

UNVOTE:

VOTE: pisskop

I mostly think this a v weird series of posts to come from scum here given that teacher is an un-CC'd doc in a setup where we know there has to be a doc from the nsg flip

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Do you think I’m scum or wrong town?

If I’m wrong town then why am I wrong instead of ignoring me

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Or fine, not ignoring, but just memeing around me instead of actually talking

Like I think you’ve barely spoken to me seriously all game?

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I have no idea what you want me to say. Go look up the game we were scum together if you want, and see if this is similar play by me. But seriously I do not rely heavily on meta (unless it's something obvious), so I still don't know what you want me to say.

Do I need to tell you exactly what I told skitter about why I would fake a guilty on DDL under the circumstances it happened? You even TR Teacher, so why would scum!me ever bring another guilty into the equation there?

Look, I don't like to be on the defence, and I don't see your case on me so I can't respond to it point by point. The fact is I am playing my regular town game and that's all for me.

1) I mean yeah maybe bc that was aimed at skitt and I haven't seen you crumb jackshit?

2) idk what your point is with this question, how do you mean bringing another guilty into the equation there and what does it have to do with teacher?

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who do you even want to lynch atm volpe?

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UNVOTE:

actually kind of having doubts about A50!scum

I did go and look at surprise again and his play was totally different there

also I kinda feel like this resignation only makes sense if he's being bussed and I don't really think anyone is bussing him rn

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Right now I think skitter/Volpe/DDL/Teacher are my TRs (in that order)

i am pocketed and no longer sus of a50

not sure if srs

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@Menalque I'm just a jumbled mess of feelings at this moment.

I could answer some consensus SRs slots but I would rather first get my clean and start from 0 again.

I did that in Hope One More Plus for example and the result was

excellent

. I got a very clear view of the game.

I kinda wanna hear where you're at now so that it's on the record

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Running the risk of making an optically scummy post because I'm kinda in awe.... A50 I'm trying to remember a time when you misread me and I can't think of one. Do you actually have a 100% read rate on me?

Obviously not counting Starcraft because you were on point but we bossed you into abandoning your read

I am not sure, but let me ask you this: How well are you familiar with Flavor Leaf's recent play style? And how about his dynamic relation with RCE in multiple games they play together?

i know they're both bloody fun but i'm pretty out of date

That's disappointing, as my main reason to TR you was because I thought you were crumbing Vig with your D3 reference.

For those who don't know: It's an ongoing joke that was started by FL, who fake claimed D3 IC as a Town Vig. From then on he has been doing it for the memes and the one who mostly responds to the joke is RCE. I thought tw was doing it his way when he said he's be useless until -say- D3 (of course this is a paraphrase as I can't be bothered to go dig the exact quote, but iirc it may have been post #47?? Anyway, I did quote it in my ISO when I called tw town)

what is micro 840 and why does everyone seem to keep talking about it

Stop asking such meaningless questions. What do you think Micro 840 is? A new mobile/cellular type? A sandwich/meal at McDonalds?? It's a bloody game. Now go read it if you want to know what they're referencing or just ignore the reference and move on.

So, Bingle is 60% likely to be the SK and if he is ten he 95% picked the 1-shot BP. It thus would be beneficial for scum to shoot him tonight and when he doesn't die they know where they ought to shoot "comes the right time". I wouldn't recommend the Vig (if exists) to shoot there though, because we don't want to waste our shots and we don't want to lose the SK's support in case scum are making an early advance on us. (That changes if we do lynch scum today though). That said, if we have a 1-shot Vig they should holster on N1 regardless (you don't want to be shooting a Cop with a guilty, nor do you wan to waste your shot on the SK). A full Vig though can use their best judgement in whether to shoot or not, and whom to shoot if we mislynch, and may consider shooting Bingle if we correctly lynch scum.

I dont want to wagon egix rn

Then who the freak do you want to wagon? And -more importantly- why should I listen to you?

Let me tell you all that I no mostly join games as a replacement as a sympathy. I see an empty slot and I figure the game is less fun when people wait for a replacement, so i check the players list and the setup, and if I'm ok with both I jump in. That doesn't mean I intend to effort in any of them games. I just play "as it happens". I sometimes feel like reading and sometime want to just skim. I mostly search for TRs to sheep.

So, if any of you wants my support they'd need to convince me they're town first. Of course, they also need to have a good record as town because what's the point of being obv!town with bad reads as your meta?

We are still on D1 and we have no flips, so I cannot even do my thing with setup spec. Not even an IC has been revealed so all I know is my own role (which is SK. Remember?). I see a case on someone and I evaluate, and in Egix case I thought it was convincing enough to sheep. If you want to block that wagon you need to come up with a more convincing case, and/or town-case Egix for me.

I'm not sure i am

I'll take a leap of faith and call skitter town here for the insecurity of her reads, but I'm still not sure if she's sheep-worthy, especially considering she doesn't even know whom she wants to vote for sure.

I will reiterate though: I am NOT going to read for details or give the game some extra effort today. I only read for jest or outright skim. I may read one or two specific posts when I feel like it, but not the whole thread.

I mean from a quick ISO skim this is some of it but like I said I'm not so sure on A50 now and I don't really get what you want to get out of asking me for clarification on something from like 1500 posts ago?

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prob should have spoilers that actually, sorry

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I mean from a quick ISO skim this is some of it but like I said I'm not so sure on A50 now and I don't really get what you want to get out of asking me for clarification on something from like 1500 posts ago?

I'm not going to drop something just because it was 1500 posts ago and you never answered. I'm realizing with the fast pace of this thread I have to ask people questions when they're around and this is like the first time we've been online together.

Your vote for A50 felt weird to me (regardless of his alignment). Because I was getting the complete opposite impression of his posts from what you described there. Even though you just unvoted him, I still wanted to understand where you were coming from. The quotes help btw - I don't agree with the conclusion you formed but now I at least get where you were coming from.

The other thing that felt kinda weird to me was how you promised a case earlier and then never did - instead you chose to push this 'wagon resistance' argument which I don't think is very concrete.

where did you even ask me about that originally?

and again, why is it inherently valuable to bring things up just because they weren't answered? bc I kinda feel like that's what you're arguing here

why did my vote feel weird to you specifically? what about his posts made you think he was just memeing and not trying to do anything?

also why is it important that I promised a case (which ftr I don't think I actually "promised" but w/e) and then didn't get around to it? game moved on, my reasons for scum reading A50 shifted in where I was weighting their importance

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don't love how you kinda seem like you're just trying to shade me here

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shading is trying to frame the conversation in such a way that it makes me look bad, while being subtle about it

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2) how is that a misrep? I said I feel like that's in line with what you're arguing, esp as you emphasised the "I'm not going to drop this just because it was 1500 posts ago" point

3) you said that you got the complete opposite impression. and I said I wanted you to specifically explain why that was. I don't think I'm being unclear here

4) when I'm gonna build a case on them, it doesn't mean that I have all of the reasons for scum!person clear in my mind. it means I've seen enough about them/enough has felt off about them that I feel my read is right and then I'll go through their ISO to try and nail down the specific instances of things seeming off/try to clarify more general senses that something is off into something explainable. that's also a bunch of effort, doesn't necessarily translate into people voting for the person, and I think gamestate reads are an equally valid form of generating reads

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what are your reads wicked

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@mena, why not the rubber ducky?

Yeah maybe, but I need to think about how scummy he is independently of A50

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Idk wicked I just kinda think you’re trying to be ~*active*~ now in a way that doesn’t really roll with how you’ve been up to here

I feel like you wanna imply that I’m scum but you’re not willing to and that’s what I mean by shading

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Just looking at his fluff is a really surface level approach. The fluff isn’t really AI — the important thing is what’s in mbetween the fluff because that’s the actual content, and whether that’s actually game advancing or just efforts to look like it is

I’m not totally sure where A50 falls in that, but he did a much better job of

looking

like he was being solve-y in surprise mafia so idk why if he’s capable of that as scum he doesn’t do that here

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But idk I might be over thinking this I’m really tired

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Yeah why is A50 so high?

Why are all of egix/drdoo/Norway at the same level?

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I mean your readslist looks p different to me

And what exactly have I done that’s moved me from your joint too TR to your SRs? Bc honestly that just feels fake

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Ughhhh I'm trying to both process everything that's happening and articulate my thoughts, but my brain has stopped working. Monday's my busy day, you guys are gonna have to wait til Tuesday, sorry.

Basically this is where I'm at:


TOWN
Menalque/skitter
Norwegian/Nibbui

everyone else
Blatant Scum

the worst
teacher/Bingle

SCUM

Like how did you go from here to where you are now and why are you saying that it’s similar when it’s pretty obviously changed a lot

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You’ve barely interacted with me all game and yet instead of seek clarification on my thought process (apart from one comment that I missed) you’re then gonna completely flip your read on me without even trying to engage with me to find out what’s going on?

Nah, I don’t think that’s how town approaches their top TR

Also your scumreads don’t really make any sense together, like in what world do you think I’m likely to be scum with wooper and pk?

VOTE: wicked

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Just looking at his fluff is a really surface level approach. The fluff isn’t really AI — the important thing is what’s in mbetween the fluff because that’s the actual content, and whether that’s actually game advancing or just efforts to look like it is

My read on him isn't just a surface level read. You commented on him trying to 'appear' like he was doing things, so I thought this was a surface level conversation.

Appearance is surface level,

trying

to appear is not

Come on then, flesh out your read

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What exactly has A50 done that’s been so towny for you to move him up to your second most confident TR after mechtown

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You know what, Menalque? I feel like you're being pretty hypocritical tonight. I've spent the last two hours talking to you about your A50 read and you literally just accused me of not trying to figure out your thought process. Yet you just posted like five questions in a row about my reads list and voted me before I even get a word in edgewise. So I feel like

you

are the one that's not seeking clarification on

my

thought process.

I feel like you're being pretty unreasonable right now.

And you were a neutral/slight scum lean before this conversation even started, btw. So yes, this is not how town approaches a top TR; you are right about that.

And you quoted my reads from page 40. When I said my reads didn't change that much, I wasn't talking about 'with respect to page 40'.

If I had known my pg 40 reads were going to be locked in for the next 120 pages then I would have put more thought into them.

yeah okay, this is fair and I was probably overreacting a lil bit, I was super tired

okay, so what is it that bugged you about my slot? what happened to make you revise me from your joint top town to your scum reads?

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also can i interest you in voting pk?

did you already make a case for this skitt?

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It's also like

really obvious what I meant by that therefore I can't understand what you meant by that

wicked if you're town have you ever considered sheeping me??

Get that A50 hard town read out of there too, at maximum he's null although in my rework I can find reasons to TR or SR his slot

you're asking people to sheep you but idek what your reads are rn

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VOTE: pk

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Sigh, I’m vig, A50 was my shot

Skitt scum

VOTE: skitt

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Need to be more paranoid of you when you TR me I guess, it’s pfup all over again

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not at all? volpe could be fake-claiming and whatnot too.
but let's the last two claim first

Three, we need wooper to claim too to try and get as much setup information as possible

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Why did you make those checks volpe?

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Oh, and I’m 1-shot

Assuming skitt didn’t say because she wanted to decide whether to claim full or not

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i'm not really sure why you think this was a good idea, but ok

I mean I don’t rly think I win a 1v1 against you but it’s not like you gave me a choice

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Wait so which way round are you claiming to have checked them?

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i mean that's patently false from my pov so uh

k

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Also I don’t really think you figured out egix otherwise I think he’d be dead

Kinda think you posted that so you could claim it whenever as a ~*realisation*~ and that’s why you refused to talk about it at the time

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No I’m saying you posted “oh I realised something” to be able to pass it off as whatever later

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Although actually maybe you did realise that egix was doc and decided to just play around him using the rb

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Although actually maybe you did realise that egix was doc and decided to just play around him using the rb

Yeah this is more likely actually

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and when did i figure out egix was the doc

I mean I was thinking you hadn’t figured it out a moment ago, but then I realised that if you knew the doc then you didn’t really have to kill him bc you could just roleblock him while you got the setup figured

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pls spell my name right

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and i kill teacher because ...

Not sure, I’d have expected you to keep him around until lylo/massclaim tbh

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I guess if the rest of the scum team didn’t agree w/ you and overruled you on it?

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I mean I’m not coming up with a plan I’m trying to figure out why you killed teacher there

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Rn I’d say that prob implies someone who believed the claim yesterday in thread rather than someone doubting it

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I mean I think this game is probably losing bc again, I really doubt that I’m winning a 1v1 vs skitt but *shrug*

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I mean I think I’ve been obviously towny to anyone familiar with me but all those people are dead apart from the conf!scum here so

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Yeah like I said I’m not really sure why you made the teacher kill

It’s weird and I’ll think about it

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p-edit: because you would know that Egix is doc and would able to claim that you wouldn't kill teach?

i don't really make wifom-y kills just to say 'why would i do that'

they usually have some purpose (i.e. they're a pr and i want them gone; i don't wnat to deal with town!them as scum; i don't think i can keep the pocket up etc)

but there's no reason to make that nk knowing that egix is the doc, and i wouldn't do it; like if you think i'm good enough to rb egix instead of killing him give me enough credit to set up teacher as today's mislynch

Although this is literally just more WIFOM

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I mean I think I’m the game ending mislynch based on how we’re going but sure

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Why would I shoot teacher? I believed the claim

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Ohhhhhh actually that makes sense I think

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If I hadn’t shot/if there was no vig then this let you move off your TR on me naturally after mislynching wooper today

Where you could then 1v1 me I think in 7p lylo

And I think prob you knew I’d be getting to a SR of you after wooper also flipped green

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yep. too late now tho, you're locked in the a50 claim so

lol nice try

i mean you could not troll me at least

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Fuck skitt, I’m actually legit disappointed in this game, I honestly felt like we were solving together earlier

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At least my norway TR was right

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um i'm p sure that just leads to you or egix dying, with the other being rb'd

This

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Lmao

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This fucking game

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UNVOTE:

Skitt might actually be town here

I’m not 1shot, I’m full

I wanted to see if skitt would try claiming full in response to me claiming 1shot

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I didn’t vig N1

After bingle flipped town I decided to take his advice on not using a shot unless I felt confident and I wasn’t really after he flipped town and I was wrong there

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Also why would I have to know there’s a 1s vig?

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Like my NK died and I had no way of knowing what setup we were in, so I thought it was more likely that it was VV and you were scum than that it was VVV and we’d both shot the same target