Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)

[Kerset]

Draft choice is such huge source of information. With double role pick {8,9,10,11} are able to find out which roles were taken by top players. It's obv that both {9,10} are scum.
VOTE: Aaron

[Kerset]

Even if there is a town Governor, i don't believe that he would come out. You created too much pressure about this. Personally i would choose JOAT over Gov, however i would also take 1 as my second draft number. Looking at the fact that barely anyone did it, i am afraid that people here are not meta players.

[Kerset]

Also i am a little bit afraid that maybe scum got universal backup. If they do then they are setting up an intrigue to steal it.

[Kerset]

Draft choice is such huge source of information. With double role pick {8,9,10,11} are able to find out which roles were taken by top players. It's obv that both {9,10} are scum.
VOTE: Aaron

Oh? How did you reach this conclusion?

If they got 3 picks in sequence on the middle of list, then they can pick 3 different powerful roles as first choice. If they failed to get some of them, then they know, which roles were selected by #1/#2 picks. In this mode there is no riskin doing so, bc they still got second choice. The fact that we got exactly 9, 10 and 11 is odd, such perfect randomness in kind of high numbers.

[Kerset]

We had every number less than 12 except for 2 and 7. I don't think that's significant.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... /Y#History
It is rare looking at previous games. Among 15 games: 567, 518 and 732were close to it by missing one number. One game 649 got this perfectly as our game and had scum there.

[Kerset]

My main reason is still in #78, there i just wanted to proof that this set of numbers is not common.

[Kerset]

Why is Something_Smart obvious scum (The fact that I have to ask that question means it likely isn't obvious, so let's just go with "Why is Something_Smart scum")?

Because S_S doesn't like scum and is honestly not the best at it. Sure, he's decent but he's no god. The thing S_S is gonna do here is instantly go into mech talk because mech talk is the most simple thing you can do to try and appear busy when really you're not. It's not helping and something I can see scum him going for right away. He's made one townread for 'a stupid reason' but that's it and doesn't go into more detail. Really, we should drop this and force people to play. Anyone regardless of your alignment or how bad you are can talk mech. Not everyone can be decent at mafia. Let's force people to play the game

Do want to talk about Governor then? For me you want to scare him away from his thoughts without offering anything superior.

[Kerset]

VOTE: skitter30

Did Sirfetchd convince you or it was coincidence?

[Kerset]

My main issue is that you are arguing that if nom is telling the truth then they should have shut up and lurked.

Which is the completely wrong thing to do. If nom really wanted a safe way in to the game by setup speccing, that's what would have happened, no?

Once again, it wasn’t her initial comment that I found scummy. It was a comment that could have come from either alignment. She could have been lying, she could have been truthful, I don’t know. Not discussing the setup doesn’t mean she would have had to lurk unless she discussed it though, as I am myself proving.

I still don’t get why you trust her so deeply. Is she incapable of lying about such a thing as scum?

I am defending bc you have convinced me you are scum and I am calling you out for backing nom in to a corner.

Why do you scumread Luna for posting? Your main argument is that scum is more likely to lurk, so shouldn't this apply to Luna as well? The safe way for Luna would be not voting nomnomnom at all.

[Kerset]

I don't like this VC. It seems that we are clueless.

[Kerset]

Why haven't you vote?

[Kerset]

I don't know why but I'm getting strong town vibes from Sirfetchd

no

Do you disagree with every townread over here?

[Kerset]

Aaron feels weird rn

Strange thing to say after #271. Sounds like 'no u'.

[Kerset]

flubb why do you feel so different rn from like the last at least two times that i've played with you?

Because I'm not a VT?

More likely than not everyone is some kind of PR in this game, so the logic of "I'm playing different because I'm a PR" doesn't hold up as well here.

You missed the whole point. He was comparing this game with his previous games

[Kerset]

Wooper you can do better then that.

[Kerset]

Glancing through the thread I don’t feel great about Skitter either. I think frost is Town atm. Flubber seems Town as well. Null on everyone else atm.

I am suprised that someone as active as skitter skipped 144.

[Kerset]

Huh I actually kinda like this response.

Eh, it's all projecting. I don't think projecting is that towny as it's super easy to fake as scum.

Who was projecting there nomnomnom or aaron?

[Kerset]

[
How do you get this at all? No one is going to get ‘scared away’ from talking about something from a vote. That’s not how people work. (...) What I am ‘offering’ is a vote on why someone is scum.

Sure why would he stop doing this. You only called him a potential scum. No one would bother to avoid scummy behavior in this game.

[Kerset]

Let's start with voting an obvious scum Here let me start
VOTE: Something_Smart

Why is S_S obvious scum to some of you people? I overblew the read a little bit just so you guys would get off the awful mech talk. So seeing ‘obvious’ is strange. I do like nomnoms answer but the others are hmmm

Regardless for now VOTE: Aaron

LOL? She did indeed.

[Kerset]

[
How do you get this at all? No one is going to get ‘scared away’ from talking about something from a vote. That’s not how people work. (...) What I am ‘offering’ is a vote on why someone is scum.

Sure why would he stop doing this. You only called him a potential scum. No one would bother to avoid scummy behavior in this game.

So you agree with me that your question/response to me was basically pointless? Well, that was easier than I expected.

Nope, it was irony

[Kerset]

oh it finally opened

hi, backreading

Finnaly opened? We started this day after role pick.
You are so luckly to notice this few hours before your prod time.

[Kerset]

you know, i think kerset is pretty likely to be scum here

because it's like a soft accusation that i'm scum, but never actually says it. it's like, "haha oh yeah sure, you "forgot" - the natural follow-up would be to then say why they think i'm lying? or think i'm scum?

also: their only focus on all the content i've provided so far is not any of the opinions i've had about the game, but literally just the post in which i said, "i'm backreading"

this doesn't scan to me as town, whether new player or not.

VOTE: kerset

The natural follow up for you would be to either admit that you lurk or disagree arnd claim that you lack of time or really forgot about this game. If you throw away all of your reads just to counter attack, then I am satisfied with my RT.

[Kerset]

i don't feel any need to defend myself. the fact that you focus solely on the first part of my content where i simply say i'm backreading the game that took 4 days to finally open, which i forgot about in that time is much more relevant to me than any concern for your accusation.

you know why? because you didn't even attach a vote or even apply a scumread. you just said, "sure, you forgot" and left it at that

and now the only content you're providing is to _defend yourself_ where previously all you did was talk mechanics, and complain about the state of the town's game - with no effort to improve the state of the town.

Why did you assume that i disagree with anything else? You state that i provide no content. Were would you read that there was anything else that was bothering me?
Even if you somehow guessed that i disliked one of your opinions, why would i comment a statement, which is one sentence long? It was obvious that you only glanced on topic so far, because you gave no arguments to discuss about.

I won't vote people every single time i ask them a question.

you're more concerned about how you appear than in solving the game, it's obvious.

You beg Aaron and wooper to backup you with votes - you are the one concerned about your appearance. For what other reason would you need votes on me right now? Especially the one, which came out of sympathy. I am not on L-2, so all you can get here is good look.

VOTE: rb

[Kerset]

Yup. Rb's town. Fairly sure of it. We are on the exact same wavelength.

Are you?

and now the only content you're providing is to _defend yourself_

where previously all you did was talk mechanics, and complain about the state of the town's game

- with no effort to improve the state of the town.

you're more concerned about how you appear than in solving the game, it's obvious.

Picture this: someone's accusations or slight shades against people, and what they vote, can be seen as a ratio. I see it as a vote/shade ratio, where you can see what someone says in regards to people that could be seen as shading or outright accusation, and where they vote. In Kerset's case, their iso

is full to the brim with shading and accusations

, but the only vote that they've made is against rb.

So which is the case? Do I only talk about state of town and mech or maybe i throw a lot of accusations at people? That is contradiction for me.

[Kerset]

So which is the case? Do I only talk about state of town and mech or maybe i throw a lot of accusations at people? That is contradiction for me.

you're creating a fairly thin distinction that is all but irrelevant given what nom and rb are actually saying about you

@nom this is the scummiest thing i've seen kerset do thus far ^

I still don't understand, you didn't help me.

@rb do you agree with

Picture this: someone's accusations or slight shades against people, and what they vote, can be seen as a ratio. I see it as a vote/shade ratio, where you can see what someone says in regards to people that could be seen as shading or outright accusation, and where they vote. In Kerset's case, their iso

is full to the brim with shading and accusations

, but the only vote that they've made is against rb.

?

[Kerset]

Don't know how I feel about the topic just being behind the Kerset and rb slot. Kerset has really bad arguments but the approach they bring to the game feels towny. I think we should still go for Aaron here. Rb is just gonna be...well rb

Bad post. Trying to distract from the Kerset/rb discussions.

Why didn't you say this about Sirfetch?

[Kerset]

b) I don't think so. I'm a much more emotional player. I "feel" rather than analyze. These are observations with the games I've went through rather than something I applied over and over, but I do feel it holds water.

this is a fascinating theory but i'm not sure, overall, how much stock i actually put into it in practice

kerset how much mafia experience do u have

This is my 3rd game

[Kerset]

What other reads do you have, Wooper?

other than all my reads? zilch, why?

Why do I get scumvibes from Wooper?

I swear to god I wanted to townread the slot because I've played many games with ducky where I soulread him and wanted to see how it develops but I have this sinking feeling that ducky isn't town.

suspect it's absence of townvibes; I don't care about this game yet and may not until there's fewer people alive

I don't think that you will one of this 'fewer people', if you keep this anti-town behaviour. I thought you just had problems IRL.

[Kerset]

As fun fact I can say that wooper participated in my every game so far.

[Kerset]

@nom3 When you shaded s_s, skitter and flubb you compared their gameplay to their previous games. When you scumread me you compared me to yourself and your general theories. Why didn't you compare me to my previous games like you did with others?

[Kerset]

@rb you ignored my question 566

[Kerset]

@nom3 When you shaded s_s, skitter and flubb you compared their gameplay to their previous games. When you scumread me you compared me to yourself and your general theories. Why didn't you compare me to my previous games like you did with others?

First of all I didn't shade skitter I believe?

Second, I have first-hand experience with them, which is important because I am an emotional player and I need first-hand experience communicating with people to establish "how they feel like". I don't with you so even if I were to go back on your games and analyze them I'd do a very poor job of establishing a meta for you. I've tried in the past and it ended terribly so I wouldn't want to do this again.

Och sorry i misread #282. Makes sense.

[Kerset]

verified town!kerset: has thoughts, pushes in the direction of those thoughts, calls people out when they think they are being poor town members and then PUTS THEIR VOTE ON THEM

During both of my D1 i placed vote exactly 3 times. One on the beginning, second midway and third near the end of the day. You lie if you find any difference here.

[Kerset]

Kerset I don't enjoy being shaded then avoided much :c

Rb avoid my question even that gave him a reminder. Life is thought.

[Kerset]

so much town swag in previous games

you are literally a husk of your previous games in this game

Less repeating more arguments please.

[Kerset]

The fact that someone join this game later is NAI for me, i am only interested in reason behind this. I confirmed that we are only allowed to start this game, if everyone send PM to mod so i doubted that someone would reply to his 3rd PM and then omit PM about game start.

[Kerset]

@Kerset: what other reads do you have aside from rb?

I bet that as soon as Rb wakes up he will repeatedly call each of my read OMG THATS SO SCUMMYYY but whatever

aaron - I dislike the way he approach people, he is not trying to understand them. His reactions to skitter were bad but in overall, i think that his slot is overratted. He receives more blame that he deserves. SL
billy - His reads are meh but he showed some proper views. Not so bad. null
flubber - He is very protective and i don't know why. I want to see how is he going to behave, when all of suspicion moves to other people. null
luca - He gives fair reasoning for each suspicion that he makes also he focused on building his own opinions rather then sheeping them. I can totally see a town player following such progression. TR
nom - I guess that she is emotional player? I don't have the same data as she does about her relations so its really hard for me to check her thoughts. null
PMmyst - lack of posts
Sir - He appears to be have independent mind, which is quite unique perk in this game and town indicative for me. There are some flaws in his logic but i would bet that he is misguided rather then scummy. TR
skitter - He makes a lot of posts and not all of them are useful, however i think that he has good intentions. He is consequent and not opportunistic(even when you call him town). I think that I will have better read on him during D2 (either here or in dead chat). TL
s_s - He is fine. I don't have any strong feeling towards this person but others seems to vouch for him. TL
suji - I dislike his general progression. He seems to hide his real thoughts, never made use of RT. #140 was odd. SL
wooper - I don't take him serious. I just hope that vigilante won't missshot because of his recklessness.
Xayah - lack of posts

[Kerset]

@Billy what do you think about the rest of skitter content?

[Kerset]

I think that I will have better read on him during D2 (either here or in dead chat).

do u think ur getting lynched today?

I looking at the VC and rb desire to death tunnel me. There are some odds.

[Kerset]

If he disagree with this then what else do you except him to do?

[Kerset]

Kerset, I suggest voting someone other than rb, because rb isn’t being lynched today.

There are more then 4 days left. Why are you sure about this? He is not even the least voted person here.

[Kerset]

@Kerset, I only have experience with Skitt as a mod, so I dont know what I make of the rest of her play. It feels curt and snippy, but that could be NAI.

Early game is the least indicative phase but for some reason you make your SR based around that. If you have at least mediocre confidence that he is scum, you should be able to read him farther. Especially someone with 140 posts like Skitter.

*sigh* VOTE: Billy

[Kerset]

Well, given that the rules for draft numbers were never stated, it is possible that this is the case.

Rules were stated and I knew them. Before i signed for this game i searched "Venrob's PYP X/Y" in wiki search tool.

[Kerset]

Or at least they were stated from my POV and perhaps s_s. That would be more accurate.

[Kerset]

Hm, the Billy wagon isn't bad. Not my first choice from my notes but the information is good enough for me to join
VOTE: Billy

What other notes do you have?

What do you think of Kerset? It pings me how you’ve just ignored this slot considering the attention it’s received.

473 I think that she gave the most eloquent read.

[Kerset]

@Luca You voted me twice and didn't explain why do you find me scum.

[Kerset]

A lack of flailing can itself be a defensive method through reverse-psychology.

As I said, if you were to watch interrogations of guilty suspects, you'll see that every single one of them do this, it's actually kinda crazy

They think that if they show emotion or dare challenge subtle accusations they'll inevitably appear more guilty, but what they don't know is that psychologists know that the contrary is true. So what they do is shut down emotionally, feign ignorance, and side-step important questions in favor of completely irrelevant points.

I think that you actually watch witch trails. The ones were witch is drowned and called guilty no matter the outcome.

Also to note that Kerset now has completely stopped posting things that were considered scummy by other people, subconsciously or not. That adds to my point that Kerset knows they fucked up somewhere and subconsciously stopped doing that. An innocent person would have already challenged these notions, or would have continued doing these things all the same.

Point to me a single Kerset post after my initial shading accusations that can be seen as shading. Spoiler: You won't find any. That is why Kerset is a good lynch.

I am quite sure that you would call me guilty in any outcome
Kerset still looks scummy - he is a scum
Kerset doesn't look scummy - he is a scum

[Kerset]

I am quite sure that you would call me guilty in any outcome
Kerset still looks scummy - he is a scum
Kerset doesn't look scummy - he is a scum

If you do not look scummy or don't do anything I consider scummy I have no reason to think you're scum. You've done these things though and you've followed a scummy pattern afterwards. So you must be scum in my mind.

My point is that for you this 'scummy pattern' is the fact that i don't look like scum anymore, meantime if i look like a scum for you i would still be obviously called scum.

[Kerset]

Kerset - if you continue to only talk about things related to yourself then you will end up lynched, I’m pretty sure. If you are Town then try to focus on finding scum. If you don’t at least display some level of scum-hunting then you’re not giving me the chance to townread you.

The main topic of this game is previous game analysis. Its hard to deeply participate in this, when you haven't played with suspects and shallow shading is looked upon. I feel that its actually initial reason of my wagon(?). Meantime the other topics are spec/mech talk and me, so i don't think that i can artificially create a case to talk about. If there was any non PGA lead that i missed feel free to correct me.

[Kerset]

The main topic of this game is previous game analysis. Its hard to deeply participate in this, when you haven't played with suspects and shallow shading is looked upon.

Give me a definition of shading.

Posting something that could in result generate a scumlean on someone.

[Kerset]

I feel that i voted bc people force me to rather then bc i want to.

[Kerset]

Kerset - if you continue to only talk about things related to yourself then you will end up lynched, I’m pretty sure. If you are Town then try to focus on finding scum. If you don’t at least display some level of scum-hunting then you’re not giving me the chance to townread you.

The main topic of this game is previous game analysis. Its hard to deeply participate in this, when you haven't played with suspects and shallow shading is looked upon. I feel that its actually initial reason of my wagon(?). Meantime the other topics are spec/mech talk and me, so i don't think that i can artificially create a case to talk about. If there was any non PGA lead that i missed feel free to correct me.

You are free to create your own topics.

Glancing at your meta, you actually have played with your suspect, Billy, before. You were both Town in that game, how does he compare here?

He was a Mason and he was supported by a decent player, i expect him to be different here.

So you didn’t really believe in the reasoning you provided along with the vote, then?

I believe in it but Rb is the one who should be lynched today.

[Kerset]

Ok, can you summarize your reasons for why rb should be today’s Lynch?

Rb doesn't care about lynching scum, he wants pull a wagon that will finish D1. Town player would in at least some degree doubt his meta read and try to look at other people interactions. Rb only asks other people about me to push them on my wagon, he didn't even care about nom3 theories at all (604), for him his SR aaron was positive addition to wagon (372). He is trying to bias town by repeating the same read few times without adding any value, when meantime he could just face thing like 230 (reference 232, 235).
If you read between his lines you will that he gives town points for diving deep against someone so scum!rb would definitely try to emulate a town play with something like that.

[Kerset]

I feel that i voted bc people force me to rather then bc i want to.

Who forced you to vote?

verified town!kerset: has thoughts, pushes in the direction of those thoughts, calls people out when they think they are being poor town members and then PUTS THEIR VOTE ON THEM

That iso is textbook pessimistic scum having a very low vote/fos ratio. I think the key to decoding rb is actually residing in Kerset's wall.

Kerset, I suggest voting someone other than rb, because rb isn’t being lynched today.

They would kill me, if i would place suspicion without vote.

[Kerset]

Even if you forget Kerset there are a lot of people worthy of scrutiny that got off relatively easy and I think that is no coincidence.

Maybe because you are under performing? You ISO can be divided to 3 kinds of posts: argumentation of your theory about me, asking ppl why they SR billy, saying that xaya feels off. I feel that you take no effort in this game especially when i see that you ask your second SR about read that she already gave and ask me for reason of my vote on billy instead of explanation of it (like you wouldn't notice this as well). If you are concern about this then i am sure that you are capable of giving better leads, unless you think that you can't distract yourself from me.

[Kerset]

ass

Aaron/Xayah thoughts on this post?

wooper - I don't take him serious. I just hope that vigilante won't missshot because of his recklessness.

...huh?

Would you like to talk about wooper usefulness? I am curious how do you feel about having him around.

[Kerset]

Spoiler:

@Kerset - I'm admitting to you that I dont have anything from the mid game that leans me scum or town with Skitt. And where did I say I had moderate confidence that she was scum? But I think this is an unfair characterization. While I had voted Skitt early, I also invited her to pursue Suji again later. It was when Skitt caught back up and got the timeline from earlier wrong where it looked like to me she was characterizing my vote on her as an OMGUS vote when it felt much more accurate to call her vote on me that. If anything, I'm moving her closer to null at the moment. UNVOTE: Skitt
Is this a disagreement between us where you think that a D1 vote signifies a level of confidence that i dont ascribe to it? I mean I remember feeling off about you last game, and it was probably Micc that assuaged my concerns, is that what's happening again?

Thats interesting. I am quite surprised but not in wrong way. If you claim that skitt is actually near null read for you, then hmm. This indeed blend my read, which was based on impression that you scumread him. Still i am not sure if your actions/intentions match that, i don't see you doing anything else atm. This would mean that you talk about slightly irrelevant thing compared to your actual lead (don't tell me that you just null everyone). I need to reread and think about it.

[Kerset]

hey kerset if you join me on the xayah wagon you might get towncred when she flips scum (=

ask wooper you may convince him with breadcrumbs

[Kerset]

Guys what are you doing? Are we going to ignore dodgy players just like that?

I could agree to pressure Suji, if you are interested.

[Kerset]

I admit I am still confused that Billy out of all people in this playerlist is getting wagoned. It just feels so random, so much of an easy target to go after, the guy had barely any content and people went after him on day 1 with people making extremely dodgy posts. I still don't understand. I think that the wagon is extremely bad and probably has scum in it. I can't comprehend how people went to the conclusion that Billy was a good lynch. Even if you forget Kerset there are a lot of people worthy of scrutiny that got off relatively easy and I think that is no coincidence.

People vote Billy - you are mad that we ignore other potential scum.

In fact if I was to look at this wagon and point at someone who I think is scum I'd definitely vote Xayah here.

Then you suggest Xaya

Now you are mad because people vote her, even that we still got 3 days left.

[Kerset]

Xayah.

I’m not so sure it’s a town question though - it reminds me of how I used to play as scum. If you can’t logically prove that I’m scum then you have no right to vote me.

Maria doesn't focus on logic like that especially as scum. I don't think she's a good D1 lynch anyway and I don't think anything's wrong with that question for sure.

This is a really bad stance. Everyone should be lynchable every day because otherwise everyone just argues to be left alive and we get nowhere.

Everyone? *looks at cheering wooper*

[Kerset]

I am not sure why did everyone gave up on Billy. I don't think that his case was solved from other people POV.

PMyst posts should considered as prod dodge.

It is really interesting that Xaya is blamed for bad vote on billy meantime

VOTE: Xayah

choo choo

No one seems to care about thing like this. He didn't give any input to this wagon up until #1026, which are 16 posts for him and 101 globally.
I think that Xaya is policy lynch, she gave bad reactions because she couldn't control her emotions, rather then because she is inconsistent scum. There were some scummy things in her gameplay like her early opinion about s_s but atm she is just mad. When you look at her style she is logical player so It looks like her to expect fact-based reads about her from other players and i think that its natural to be annoyed for not receiving those at the beginning. I am not going to lie, i do also dislike this wagon, because of Rb presence.

Meantime i start to suspect that rb and nom3 can be paired. It feels that they are trying to cut off association by going on different people. If you look at nom3 progression its really bad 969. Now she even went for 1010. She is firm but not convincing.

I didn't speak about him for a moment but i still don't like aaron.
BRB to write about aaron and suji

[Kerset]

Aaron looks very opportunistic, from reads that he gives us i can't assign him a towny view point. His views just flow somewhere around other people options and manifest at random locations. He was probably trying to lay low but he didn't succeed in this. I don't feel obligated to suspect him bc of my vote during RVS as nom3 said, I don't think that i can utilize mech until we get some flips. Among top voted people he would be my choice.

I agree but i'm not sure this is the right time to start a wagon on him

Suji is really worthy thing to push. If this is not right time to do this then why didn't you suggest it earlier? I think that with better attitude this is still possible.
VOTE: Suji

[Kerset]

Does no-one agree that we’re better off lynching someone less likely to be a Pr on D1?

Is scum with power not threatening?

[Kerset]

I guess i am alone with this idea and single vote won't make itUNVOTE: Suji
Luca the thing that you are missing is that aaron never speak up about things outside common agreement. He always pick up things that people already stated view on and try to fit there, i bet that his ISO on billy will be another example of it. S_s, skitter, rb, siffetch, somehow billy and even xaya gave some new view on things, something that came from new perspective. Aaron is just milling already stated thoughts, which is SI for me. VOTE: Aaron

[Kerset]

There are two days left so i have to compromise. Back in time when rb voted me you did join this wagon and keep saying that we are both sus. You did say that rb is sus but only when skitter gave this idea. You faded away from rb when you saw that skitter is lonely in this and you faded away from me when ppl from my wagon were fading. When you voted her, she was already sus by others bc of her billy vote so you did fit. You even revealed this state of mind in 986

[Kerset]

Frost is maintaining his view despite the pressure. He could have gone on Billy or Kerset which would have been easier going, but he seems to genuinely want the Xayah Lynch.

I don't think that there was anything harder about it.
Sorry for no url this time i am on mobile

843 844 845 even you agreed that xaya is your second pick

Then xaya gave posts and things didn't get bettter for her
881 883 the offer to wagon comes in

885 aaron arrives
Mad xaya continues
889 reveal of his stand point

Sure he could go for billy or me but don't tell me that xaya wasn't easy thing to push. It was clearly a forming wagon and there was no difficulty atm. He did get pressure for bad execution of this plan but he would only lose by backing off at this point ( rb gives chocolates).

[Kerset]

I dont like the fact that s_s came but he did not bother to vote at all. We are <24.

For me VOTE: billy

[Kerset]

I'm the type who votes at 15 minutes, not 24 hours. It's all the same in the end.

Thats selffish. At this point we need to see other people preferences to determine majority. With several people like you and lurkers, we would end up with nolynch.

Day will end according to countdown, I don't get your question.

[Kerset]

Aaron you should say L-1, when person is one vote away from lynch.

[Kerset]

The most recent moderator vote count was on the same page, seven posts prior. What was the point of that post? To chastise?

Aaron you should say L-1, when person is one vote away from lynch.

Why do you have a problem with this, exactly?

Isn't that a rule around here?

[Kerset]

@sirfetch what do you think about xaya after billy flip?

[Kerset]

It's a courtesy, not a rule, but it's just as polite to announce intent before hammering usually

But it was also like 6 hours to deadline or whatever so at that point it was kinda inevitable

I guess i'm kinda confused why you're calling out aaron and not suji there

Pedit @kerset

Back there i still wasn't sure whenever suji was aware that it was a hammer(at the moment of post), so i didn't want to start trivial argues in which he could make various standpoints.

[Kerset]

I am still not sure about Luca role in this wagon. He was switching his votes everywhere and finished on 2nd spot. Just like he would like to be early voter. It was actually 6 votes in 40 posts.


Pedit nomnom and aaron

[Kerset]

You could say this as well in case that me or xaya get lynched.

[Kerset]

For me it the bad thing about nom3 wasn't exactly the fact that she opposed billy wagon. When wagon started nom3 was indeed negative about it but

I admit I am still confused that Billy out of all people in this playerlist is getting wagoned. It just feels so random, so much of an easy target to go after, the guy had barely any content and people went after him on day 1 with people making extremely dodgy posts. I still don't understand. I think that the wagon is extremely bad and probably has scum in it. I can't comprehend how people went to the conclusion that Billy was a good lynch. Even if you forget Kerset there are a lot of people worthy of scrutiny that got off relatively easy and I think that is no coincidence.

In fact if I was to look at this wagon and point at someone who I think is scum I'd definitely vote Xayah here.

back there she tried to point us at xaya - the natural conterwagon that billy voted. Later she turned this read by 180 from unknown reasons, so i doubt that she was genuine by leading us there.

soz but I really want this game to move forward now and I'm honestly mind boggled by this Xayah push lol

Xayah flips green please go on Aaron or Kerset.

[Kerset]

One correction: it was xaya who voted billy, not the opposite

[Kerset]

You will learn absolutely nothing about the scumteam by lynching me. You'll end up in day 3 scratching your head and stuff. I'm a bad lynch.

Who would provide us information about scumteam?

[Kerset]

Skitter why do you dislike billy-xaya interaction?

[Kerset]

so u think they could be svs?

i could maybe kinda see aaron/nom and nom/billy but i'm not sure i see aaron/nom/billy, if that makes sense

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. My 70% confidence is that one of Aaron/nomnomnom is scum. My 30% confidence level is my "tinfoil hat theory" that they both are. As I said, I like to always have a "tinfoil hat theory."

This is based on my current analysis of the game and it could change given more content from more people.

As far as i remember you SR me so do you pair me with them?

[Kerset]

Wooper did you change your opinion about s_s?

[Kerset]

I am quite surprised that fetch got so many scum leans. Is it because he was on xaya wagon up to the end?

[Kerset]

I think that rb was killed bc of draft order. Flub was inactive so i could see why he wasn't the one to die.

[Kerset]

I actually want to know why flubber didn't vote me earlier. He was still reading around 550.

[Kerset]

I am quite surprised that fetch got so many scum leans. Is it because he was on xaya wagon up to the end?

I don't have many scum leans at all.

That's my issue right now.

I think that wooper and skitter agreed with Luca about you recently. Also Suji called you null-scum priorflip.

[Kerset]

Pg 40

Billy and aaron both look like they lynch is converging on them out of apathy in absence of any solid scum cases

This is the second post I’ve seen of Flubs soft-defending Billy and Frost.

It could be wifon but I think that 1st pick scum would acutely join billy wagon to secure governor.

[Kerset]

I am quite surprised that fetch got so many scum leans. Is it because he was on xaya wagon up to the end?

I feel ommited.

[Kerset]

Now when sane cop is dead we know that there is no scum redirector.
This game contains Gunsmith, who can find scum but might confuse them with gun owners.
I think that vigi and pgo should reveal themselfs. There is no risk of redirect and it would help investigation. We don't need exact role as long as we get only 2 claims. We can ignore JOAT for now BC we know he is high.

[Kerset]

Rb wasn’t scumreading Nom, though.

rb was scumreading Kerset and Xayah and you've said both of them you think are town.

Was Luca town reading me? When? I wonder how did you came up with this compare.

[Kerset]

Luca what do you think about vigilantes reveal? 1553

[Kerset]

I still reckon the Billy flip means nothing for reads on Xayah fwiw.
@suji: same diff.

I agree. The fact that she was the counterwagon wasn't either her or billy desire. With this two flips alone i am not sure, who scumteam wanted to lynch on D1 but nom3 or flub flip would solve it.

[Kerset]

Aaron and nom are still my scumreads. Aaron really lack of universal approach his arguments, which could be applied to anyone if you try hard enough. Meantime nom3 posts look more like they would be schemed. When aaron create bad thoughts, nom3 joins other people ideas. The thing is that she also joined low quality leads like she wouldn't mind about doubting them. I would rather believe that aaron is just playing badly then in nom3 naivety.
The third person that is bothering me is S_S. He is here but he is not engaged at all. The further in game we go the less useful he becomes. At the end of D1 the only thing that he talked about was Billy. Such perfect call isn't it? He only suspected the actual scum but he had weak proofs and unvoted him near the day end. Now he placed a vote early(unlike previously) and even on his positive null. Perhaps he just lack of time to play but he smells like person who just knows alignments so he doesn't bother to find them.
VOTE: Something_Smart

[Kerset]

So basically you were only going to take Rb’s reads into account if they were convenient for you, otherwise they’re irrelevant.

i think this is a remarkably uncharitable way to understand aaron's post, i don't think this is what he was saying at all

pedit no. weren't you on the nom wagon? plz get back on it, ty

We still got 6 days left, why do you mind about it?

[Kerset]

Nope. I wonder why do you need luca on established wagon, rather then letting him push more people for info.

[Kerset]

pedit no. weren't you on the nom wagon? plz get back on it, ty

Why did you ask Luca to get back on nom wagon.

[Kerset]

Och ok. Well i would join noms wagon but i don't believe that pushing her further will develop anything new. Also i wouldn't vote her just for sake of lynch, when xaya and PMyst are still about to catch up.

[Kerset]

At the end of D1 the only thing that he talked about was Billy.

This is the only thing anyone wanted to ask me about.

I was the first person to actually case Billy (iirc). Why would I do that and then drop off just when the wagon started to get serious?

To gain town points for worst case scenario but not hurting partner too much.
I am more interested why did you vote aaron?

[Kerset]

Is that all?

[Kerset]

As I said it doesn't matter, when I flip scum you're going down lol

Is he? He is next on the line for sure but i wouldn't say that "we definitely need to lynch aaron now, because nom3 turned town and this slots are merged".

[Kerset]

If we cut the day right now then xaya and PMyst won't be prodded. We shall wait few more hours. If there is really 0 dynamics in this game then i will switch my vote to nom3 as soon as we reach this ^.
Can we get one more vote from someone?

[Kerset]

VOTE: nomnomnom

[Kerset]

VOTE: nomnomnom

L-1

You got me

[Kerset]

So i assume that you agree with skitter about waiting Suji

[Kerset]

Xaya did you come back to vote because you reached prod time or because of L-1?

[Kerset]

I'd love to see competing wagons in frost and nom rn

Dreams come true. We are 5-5 with one intent on each side, which makes us 6-6.

[Kerset]

Solving Sirftech relation is one more reason to pick nom over aaron.

[Kerset]

As I said it doesn't matter, when I flip scum you're going down lol

Do you guys think this is an actual slip from nom? I'm leaning towards yes, but even without this I still think she's scum.

Aaron pls you are not helping. Hug wooper, relax and try to look at this without bias.

[Kerset]

In my opinion 5th spot is gives him fair chance to be powerful but in negative way. I am a little bit scared that he specifically asked for one more night ("until at least tomorrow") and it's actually N2.

[Kerset]

I am more afraid that we might leave power scum for one more night, that we might lose town power.

[Kerset]

Yea lets vote the only player that is on V/A. She won't even respond to our allegations...

[Kerset]

I changed my mind about Aaron I figured this out. Lets goooo

This further reinforces my tinfoil hat theory. I will not be unvoting.

You think that aaron and nom3 are scumteam, so you are not going to unvote aaron? Why do you dislike the idea of voting nom3?

[Kerset]

Actually yeah... Hm... Xayah and Flubs could be the scumteam? Although I remember Flubs being awk as all hells in the games I played with him previously so that could just be a misconception but like the way he's feeding meaningless stuff on my wagon is suspicious.

I changed my mind about Aaron I figured this out. Lets goooo

So what do you think about aaron now?

[Kerset]

I told you that if Xayah is scum there's a really good chance that Aaron is town

That is not aaron read.

[Kerset]

Wait did you just hammer right when xaya wanted to give us summary?

[Kerset]

I am mad at you.

[Kerset]

So basically you are afraid that we would switch to aaron bc of her?

[Kerset]

you know what
VOTE: xayah

She'll be here tomorrow and the gamestate is better for this flip. There's been too much contest to a noms lynch, I'm not comfortable letting it fly until close to deadline.

Sorry if you were hungrily awaiting Xayah's catch up before d2 ended but I don't see any meaningful reason to let this phase carry on just for it

Wooper you showed concern about contest around nom but you are the one who jumped off wagon in order to vote alongside her. What did you try to accomplish?
VOTE: wooper

[Kerset]

We know that Scum/Skitter bus their partners but what about Town/Skitter? Wouldn't she do this as well?
Are your reads only based on billy flip?

[Kerset]

Something is off with this kill. Over Skitter, Luca, Flub or even me i can find target, which is superior in any given category then Xayah. I don't think that she would hold any crucial information so it wasn't reason to kill her either. So far i can think of 3 options.
1. Her killers are biased. They are people. who think that D1 counterwagon was very relevant.
2. They somehow calculated that she should be UB->sane cop.
3. The actual fractional kill was prevented. It was vigilante, who killed her.

[Kerset]

I have a soft guilty related to the above. Want everyone to check in though.

to me?

[Kerset]

So option 3 it is.

[Kerset]

So wooper you were able to kill nom3, even if she wouldn't end up being lynched. What was all of that for?

[Kerset]

Wait do you guys imply that he wanted UB? Looks for me like "I will take this weakling as second choice in case someone takes away my preferred role, it would be lame to be vanilla".

[Kerset]

He probably took his time to ask wooper in PT how to respond.

[Kerset]

How about you reveal the reason to do so?

[Kerset]

What is shotgun read?

[Kerset]

Flubbernugget wants us to think that he acted non-towny in order to secure his PR, this could be the case. His D2 was fine.
Sirfetch is top town. S_S is useless, he deserve to be scumreaded.
Aaron is trying hard to prove that he is unskilled in this game, it looks like agenda crafted by scumteam to clean him.
Skitter is fine but hard to read bc of paranoia around her.
Adorable has very very shallow reads but unharmful.
Wooper planned this whole course of action for his personal advantage. All he wanted was to shine during massclaim, which he planned for this day but some things got his way. Xayah could clarify herself, if she would get time for it.
Suji is kind of null read for me.
Luca is towny but i would take here the same approach as people do towards skitter.

[Kerset]

It is not about his selfmeta. Its about things like:

I'm really bad at picking up on crumbs and PR softs.

As I said it doesn't matter, when I flip scum you're going down lol

Do you guys think this is an actual slip from nom? I'm leaning towards yes, but even without this I still think she's scum.

Spoiler: Every single mention of nom by Billy Pilgrim (Hint: There's not that many)

Ok catching up from my absence.
@nom - in 89, what part of the setup spec was flying over your head?

Ok catching up from my absence.
@nom - in 89, what part of the setup spec was flying over your head?

not really the setup, more like the numbers discussion I'd say.

I don't buy this. Your 99 was more than competent. I dont know that I see a scum motivation for you claiming incompetence when you clearly had it, but if something starts to feel off, I'm going to revisit this.

Ok catching up from my absence.
@nom - in 89, what part of the setup spec was flying over your head?

not really the setup, more like the numbers discussion I'd say.

I don't buy this. Your 99 was more than competent. I dont know that I see a scum motivation for you claiming incompetence when you clearly had it, but if something starts to feel off, I'm going to revisit this.

my what

Your post 99.

@nom - referring to 406. given that someone (it may have been you) said S_S plays pretty passively as scum wouldnt his lack of scumread also be part of his scum!game?

If I missed something then let me know but as far as I can tell, Billy never gave an actual read on nom and every single interaction with her felt like generic filler questions made to look like they were interacting.

PEDIT: You keep telling yourself that buddy. Meanwhile I'll be focused on actually scumhunting

[Kerset]

If he proves that he is playing poorly then town will assume that his previous actions were caused by his skill level rather then scum alignment.

[Kerset]

Because sif has independent mind, he is never opportunistic. It really looks that he didn't know alignment of flipped players and he keeps his opinions open.

[Kerset]

If he proves that he is playing poorly then town will assume that his previous actions were caused by his skill level rather then scum alignment.

So do you think my actions are indicative of inexperienced town or inexperienced scum?

Regular scum who wants to look like inexperienced town.

which actions are you talking about tho kerset

The ones, which started his wagon.

[Kerset]

something_skittery where are your reads @ atm

{Luca}
{everyone}
{Aaron}

yea...

[Kerset]

on kerset...they are clearly not trying to read the game and solve alignments. i'm on the fence about whether or not they are reading the game at all.

their reads are like... i don't know if i need to go into why they concern me

go on, i want to know

[Kerset]

Aaron just scumreads every counterwagon and you are going for unpopular choices. That is a huge difference.

[Kerset]

meh aaron's realtime with you is p good @wooper

i agree; only reservation is slow responses is +coach equity but it's nabd

other thing is if i was coaching him thru that i would have like nearly always instructed him to say he went for cop first slot, then unibackup with second - max cop utility away from top 1-3 positions is like a Very Towny Draw

he didn't go for something Very Towny; he went for something i literally didn't expect and a pick that just didn't really feel coached. unibackup is ++swing for scum, maybe just +swing including the bypass but w/e

i'd be more concerned he's fakeclaiming altogether and just isn't an unibackup but all in all balance of probabilities i think his claim is just legit

Unless he was ordered to look like bad player. In this case saying that UB is better then doc makes sense

[Kerset]

I am dumb i don't understand 2264

[Kerset]

What? You know that you could just commute as JOAT?

[Kerset]

sif aren't you next to claim?

[Kerset]

ok i see

[Kerset]

S_S could you be more decisive? Staring at each other and teasing leads us nowhere. Sir made himself as direct as he could be about his standpoint.

[Kerset]

It might be disliked opinion but I kind of agree with 2315.

[Kerset]

I don't feel that we need to wait for wooper second pick, it doesn't change anything for adorable.

[Kerset]

If you check people on bottom of list you have very decent chance to be correct. Also vigi will be revealed eventually so its good enough.

[Kerset]

I know, here i come. I am Conditional-Commuter.
My first pick was UB.

[Kerset]

Flubbernugget {

pgo

, -}

rb {

cop

, ???}

Sirfetchd {???, ???}
Something_Smart {

???

, ???}
AaronFrost {

UniBackup (cop)

, doc/rb}

Xayah {???, ???} - vt

skitter30 {???, ???}
Kerset {UniBackup,

Commuter

}
Adorable {cop/redir, nei/gun} - vt
wooper {

n2 vig

, watcher}
Sujimichi {neighbouriser, watcher} - vt
Luca Blight {perfvig, n2 vig} - vt

nomnomnom {???, ???} - vt
Billy Pilgrim {???, ???} - goon

[Kerset]

How can we know that aaron won't be night killed? If there is only one death you could be framed by scum or you could fake that scum NKed aaron to frame you.

[Kerset]

I mean scum could still use fractional kill on aaron and leave us with confusing information.

[Kerset]

Aaron are you aware that you have V/LA?

[Kerset]

SKITTERTIME

why did you go for commuter and why not claim it earlier kerset?

Watcher with only one shot has such low chance to reveal anything useful, that is just a particle of tracker power, who is not even the best investigator. On other hand, I was heavily townreaded on my previous games so i decided that ability to dodge kills will be handy for me. Previously nobody was interested in lynching me, which greatly raises chance of being NK during the game.
By earlier do you mean 2349 or earlier in the game? I live in EU and I was sleeping when adorable claimed.

[Kerset]

The whole point of my role is to predict scum attack. Why would I warn them that I am commuter. With drama around me I wouldn't commute early anyway so town didn't need to know.
I haven't commute so far.
And guess what ITS A F 6 AM IN MY TIMEZONE FETCH.

[Kerset]

Isn't 4th/5th pick the likely to be vigi? I know that here this wasn't the case but in general.

[Kerset]

Fun fact: one of VT could be mafia RB because our mass claim was going from bottom to up. If evil rb knows that nobody below him tried to pick doc then we couldn't call him out.

[Kerset]

Regardless, we have no kill and a sweet block on flub.

You didn't block me FWIW, but that will be self evident on my flip

Could you explain, I don't understand

[Kerset]

I would rather VOTE: skitter. The evidence is stronger here. Anyway no Aaron on flubs next night.

[Kerset]

Actually I have another theory. It is not the best one but raises the chance of innocent flub.
In the truth wooper is vengeful not vigi. Scumteam killed xaya to clear his role and wooper is the one who performed fractional kill on n2. Skitter was the one who made n1 kill. Skitter was unlikely to be tracked but on n2 it was better for wooper to be tracked.

In any case Aaron looks to be inno. Sorry man I was wrong.

[Kerset]

You learned so much, I am proud of you.

[Kerset]

Eh I misread leaning for learning. Forget this.

[Kerset]

Yay page 100!

[Kerset]

probably not, you were not super townread yesterday

Could we state this? Was he townreaded or not? I want everyone to say what did they think about s_s after d2. That's quite relevant for solving this case.

[Kerset]

Hey! You messed up my pick.

[Kerset]

Kerset {UniBackup,

Commuter

}

I made this for you >.<

[Kerset]

I didn't commute on n2 and i am alive so i wasn't targeted.

[Kerset]

Unless someone wants to argue Xayah was scum kill ofc. but I think we all decided that was just duck's vig and not a double shot.

If Xayah was somehow actually the scum kill I'm gonna laugh in post.

ech i kind of made a theory based on that

[Kerset]

Maybe he thinks that you have to be NK soon anyway. Maybe he wanted to show that he investigated suspicious person for credibility. Maybe both or none of those. He had to reveal someone anyway.

[Kerset]

wooper what did you think about s_s after d2?

[Kerset]

I hope Luca that you liked your twilight counter.

[Kerset]

It is not here so: 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[Kerset]

Skitter was not the kill maker this time, so the other scum is less likely in {suji, ador}. They were likely to be blocked right?

[Kerset]

Puffy still not around? Whatever, i am actually a watcher. Adorable why did i saw you visiting when you claimed VT? There is more to this case so i really want to know this answer first.

[Kerset]

Yea you are fine i was bluffing.

[Kerset]

Yea you are fine i was bluffing.

Interesting

What were you trying to accomplish there?

There are some odds that he would claim RB/Doc.

[Kerset]

Aaron invested Kerset and so the scum are either Skitter, Sirfetch, or Suji? Why did Aaron not die? Normally it's always the cop that gets killed off first after a mass claim.

S_S could heal aaron.

[Kerset]

You scumread fetch for being wrong about flub but it is not like anyone beside me and maybe luca had doubts about this situation. When fetch claimed that he blocked flub yall was very convinced that he prevented factional kill. Could someone explain what was scum!fetch plan? What was his intention on N2 when he was jailing flub?

[Kerset]

I still see no reason to townread wooper.

[Kerset]

Hell no
If we lynch fetch, then we are at lynch or lose tomorrow. Skitter result will be pointless. On other hand if fetch manages to block kill then we will have double result and no lylo.

[Kerset]

Let's say that skitter give us red flip on suji. Are going to follow it on lylo?

[Kerset]

You didn't call JK scum pick yesterday and as far as I recall JK was statistically picked by town.
I can totally see the idea behind jailing skitter, he was SR and didn't expect to be jailed.
VOTE: skitter

[Kerset]

How can JK hurt us at this point? I am immune to rb and Aaron is basically deadman.

[Kerset]

This one is more accurate:

I feel like despite skit being 'wrong'. I don't see a reason for her to lie here. Keen for why there's no result seeing as SS isn't commuter. That bit is weird bc I didn't target skit.

Spoiler:

These two explanations are not compatible.

i was referring to why i put him as ~nullscum there in particular

holistically i felt like the fact i dropped the read would make it obviosu in hindsight

'

There in particular

' was D2, after your result, and the very point I'd look back to see any 'crumb' you might have left behind.

You may have not pushed Frost as much, but it is in no way obvious, looking back, that you had that result on him.

I realise 'no gun' isn't a hard inno, but considering the only way he could be scum in such a scenario is if he picked Doctor (and roleblocker is a better scum role imo) you should have at least accepted my Frost Town-lean rather than going out of your way to disagree with it. It doesn't make sense.

i disagree, but ok
again, there i was referring to his play which i was decidedly not townreading

It's irrelevant how you're reading his play when you'd just received a 'no gun' result which almost clears him, and you'd want people to know your result in case you're NK.

There's something disingenuous about all of this.

ok w/e nobody noticed

xayah wasn't the scum kill, i'm n2 vig

i thought that aaron was n2 vig

Skitter....explain this as well, please.

Also, rb was a really poor choice to investigate N1, imo.

Well, obviously in retrospect.

But I didn't think so at the time? He wasn't townread barely at all.

Well I definitely TR him, and I'm pretty sure a few others did too. He was one of the few really active players on D1 who were trying to make things happen. He was also second in the draft and always likely to be killed early on.

Players like PM, Kerset, Nom, Frost existed...Even the likes of Fetchd, Wooper etc would have been a better choice.

rb is literally the last player I would have chosen to investigate on N1.

The issue with UB is that scum are forced in to taking the useless cop bc it's a scum claim otherwise bc role cop is a trash role in this setup when you have a draft order and can generally guess who has what.

i'm not sure scum should be picking in that bracket at all tbh

i'm not sure i'm liking this claim from aaron

or, more accratley, i think he probably is the universal backup slot/pair/bracket but i'm not convinced he's a town one

This makes...no sense.

Ok yeah skit is probs scum here.

But you know who is even equally scummy? flub. We Lynch one, then the other and we win the game.

Game is over and we win, move it.

[Kerset]

Because in between S_S claimed and revealed that he did indeed commute.
"SS isn't commuter" -> SS actually commuted
skitter didn't lie about no result
luca and adorable point out solid holes in skitter claim
"Ok yeah" ^ they are right
"skit is

probs

scum here"

I have 0 idea why do you have problem here.

[Kerset]

I still don't trust Skitter. Sirfetchd gets lynched, Skitter invests Suji and either Suji gets cleared as town or comes up as guilty and if they get cleared as town then that just leaves the last remaining scum to be Skitter and I can see this as a good attempt to frame me and get me mislynched next day phase. Whoever is the third scum is either Suji or Skitter.

Honestly, it won't matter too much. Either way it goes, we'll have scum in our hands.

Suji inno leaves you/skitt as last scum (with one mislynch to spare).

Suji guilty is gg bc either it's true or skitt is lying which means skitt is scum.

I'll investigate skitt tonight in the unlikely even that I survive.

(unless Wooper or Luca have been deepwolfing us this entire time but I don't think that's the case given the Billy wagon positioning)

Your trust in wooper is fearing me.

[Kerset]

Equal tier to Suji.

[Kerset]

This day is about Fetch and he still haven't catch up. No need to derail this, especially that it will be slightly easier to talk, when we get the flip.

[Kerset]

Skiterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Kerset]

I wonder why there was no resistance towards fetch yesterday. I gave quite solid ground for scum to support. When scumteam decided to block skitter, they had some sort of plan to back it up for sure. Aaron theory seems to make the most sense. Also skitter is most likely to die tomorrow so keeping him alive to check this out would be valuable.

[Kerset]

Wooper you seems to feel extremely uncomfortable. Is it such big deal to be not main townread?

[Kerset]

Still do you think that scum would take the risk to attack commuter?

[Kerset]

Thanks skitter

[Kerset]

I am actually glad that he is town. We got to play more.

[Kerset]

rb 6, 9

Sirfetchd 8, 3

Something_Smart 9, 1

AaronFrost 10, 5

Xayah 11, 21

skitter30 42, 5

Kerset 1, 1

Adorable 1, 4

wooper 3, 2

Sujimichi 3, 4

Luca Blight 4, 5

nomnomnom 4, 7

Billy Pilgrim 4, 8

[Kerset]

Wow i just noticed that people, who got to live are on the middle of the list. Such perfection.

[Kerset]

So Luca what do you think about skitter and fetch relation? What are the odds that they are scumteam?

[Kerset]

Do you really think that town!skitter would just survive up to tomorrow? Sounds like 1% chance.

[Kerset]

Why don't we just lynch luca/wooper today and see whenever skitter survives this night?

[Kerset]

Because i am a paranoid person. If you look at his progression through this whole game, he is extremely correct about everything. He likes to wave between two subjects but in overall D2 was the only place, where he didn't knew the correct choice.

[Kerset]

Assuming that we lynch wooper and scum kills confirmed townie or skitter

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No lynch skitter dies {

Kerset

,

Suji,

Wooper, Luca, Adorable} >fail> {

Kerset

, Luca, Adorable}
skitter survives {

Kerset

, Skitter, Wooper, Luca,

Adorable

} >fail> {

Kerset

, Skitter, Luca}

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Lynch Wooper skitter dies {

Kerset

,

Suji,

Luca, Adorable}
skitter survives {

Kerset

, Skitter, Luca,

Adorable

}

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Lynch Skitter Suji dies {

Kerset

, Wooper, Luca, Adorable}

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[Kerset]

In 4th option there is also possibility of skitter scum confirming Adorable but it just confirms luca.

[Kerset]

Adorable could you give me your towncase about Luca. You seems to be quite confident there.

[Kerset]

Do you think adorable is most likely to be scum?

[Kerset]

Why do you think that fetch would jail you n1? Or maybe he lied about this? Is it a thing that you are passive during D1 when you are PR? He could block xaya or me, we were shaded and higher then you.