Open 775: Hard-Boiled Eggs [Game Over]

[Aloratom]

Hello.

[Aloratom]

Hello again.

[Aloratom]

Hello, this is my first non newbie game.

I'm going to go ahead and VOTE: Aloratom[/vpte]

That's what you get for calling me bad in the last game we played together in >:(

I don't have a good history with a few on this roster.

[Aloratom]

Who have you previously played with?

Looker
ejji
Dk
72
clidd

[Aloratom]

FoS Alora and Allomancer because now if i want to use the abbreviation Alo it will be confusing

One "l" vs two "l"s. Alo and Allo.

Yeah, this'll be fun.

[Aloratom]

FoS Alora and Allomancer because now if i want to use the abbreviation Alo it will be confusing

One "l" vs two "l"s. Alo and Allo.

Yeah, this'll be fun.

Would the real Alo / slim shady pls stand up.

Wdym by stand up?
And who is slim shady? :/

Don't tell me that I'm that old. And even older than that.

[Aloratom]

Mmk so while hypo is a nice idea it's not necessary. Best chance for town is mathdinos strat in 487.

-hider claims late d1 without dropping reads/does not claim who they are hiding behind.

-tracker/vig chooses tracker and tracks hider.

-det/psych holds claim till late game if at all possible

This changes if tracker/vig is going to be lynched d1. In that case they take vig and shoot the scummiest target, hider moves freely.

Why

late

D1? I don’t see how it’d change anything :/

I agree with that the rest tho

I'm guessing to deal with a counter situation, but I can see problems with that.

[Aloratom]

How much experience do you have with open setups and strategy?

I have played on Epicamafia for the past 4 years and they exclusively use open setups on there thus having a preset strategy/strategy set for each setup is common.

What do you think of Tet's strategy?

[Aloratom]

How much experience do you have with open setups and strategy?

I have played on Epicamafia for the past 4 years and they exclusively use open setups on there thus having a preset strategy/strategy set for each setup is common.

What do you think of Tet's strategy?

Did you not read 54?

Oof. Glossed over the first sentence.

[Aloratom]

The strategy in 45 makes sense. That's what we go with.

[Aloratom]

The strategy in 45 makes sense. That's what we go with.

That came off a little more authoritarian than intended. I think 45 is the winning strategy.

[Aloratom]

This changes if tracker/vig is going to be lynched d1. In that case they take vig and shoot the scummiest target, hider moves freely.

This doesn't make sense. If they're lynched d1, they don't get a night action.

If I understand it correctly, if the TV is going to be lynched, the TV claims. Town doesn't lynch. If there's a counter, the TV shoots the counter.

[Aloratom]

In my experience with DkKoba, this is normal for them so I don't have a scum read there.

I don't understand the Allomancer wagon. 72offsuit, why do you go after It for "all information, no reads" when that's pretty much what everyone had been doing to that point? And Dolittle slides a vote in on Allomancer too without even a how ya doin'.

[Aloratom]

Don't tell me that I'm that old. And even older than that.

You're ancient and so is Marshall Matthers, lol

---

• I know nothing of setup spec, so I stay out of it.
  
• We need to lynch everyone without an avatar
  
• @72: Hiraki's avatar is 9S from NieR:Automata. It's a really fun game.

VOTE: Madoka Hey!

I've got my eye on you.

[Aloratom]

Don't tell me that I'm that old. And even older than that.

You're ancient and so is Marshall Matthers, lol

---

• I know nothing of setup spec, so I stay out of it.
  
• We need to lynch everyone without an avatar
  
• @72: Hiraki's avatar is 9S from NieR:Automata. It's a really fun game.

VOTE: Madoka Hey!

I've got my eye on you.

Would prefer a better explanation here.

Joking around.

[Aloratom]

Oh, I didn't know that. I'm behind the Mafia game jargon learning curve.

[Aloratom]

I'm not sold on allomancer scum, but I think a wagon there can do good things

Convince me.

[Aloratom]

I'm not sold on allomancer scum, but I think a wagon there can do good things

Convince me.

Are you saying you weren't convinced by the Allo vs Alo argument on Page 1!?

Ha. It certainly would trim any potential confusion.

[Aloratom]

@alo ill tell you in a bit

Please do. I really don't like 181 and hope some further explanation from Allomancer is forthcoming, but I'd like to hear your thoughts in light of this being the first thing you've committed to.

[Aloratom]

allo wanna explain why you're defending orange so hard btw?

I wouldn't call one post questioning a reason for scumreading him "defending so hard".

considering you're attempting to counterwagon onto me, yeah, I'd say that's a hardcore defense.

It's strange that there isn't a counter-wagon at all at this point in the game, isn't it?

[Aloratom]

VOTE: happyorange

I see no value added by orange. The hiraki v battle mage drama reads a bit Jerry Springer to me, and I can't find a side to take. I'm not even sure there is a side to take, so that may be indicative of TvT. I'm concerned about Allomancer because of the vote in 181, but I don't want to take it to L-1 in light of the 45 strategy. I think more scum hunting by everyone, including myself, is critical so the hider has a decent pool of information to work with.

[Aloratom]

I really don't see any town reasoning behind Dkkoba's recent posts.
VOTE: DkKoba

What, specifically, do you mean here? Without explanation, this comes off as OMGUS.

[Aloratom]

Orange vs DK feels more like

TvT

to me

Uh, what? I don't remember doing anything other than ignoring DKK, not sure how you're imagining that as a TvT.

If it's not TvT, I take it you think DkKoba is scummy?

[Aloratom]

Orange vs DK feels more like

TvT

to me

Uh, what? I don't remember doing anything other than ignoring DKK, not sure how you're imagining that as a TvT.

If it's not TvT, I take it you think DkKoba is scummy?

No.
I townlean DK.
Where did you get thia impression from?

If you look at the quotes, that question was for happyorange.

[Aloratom]

allo wanna explain why you're defending orange so hard btw?

I wouldn't call one post questioning a reason for scumreading him "defending so hard".

considering you're attempting to counterwagon onto me, yeah, I'd say that's a hardcore defense.

It's strange that there isn't a counter-wagon at all at this point in the game, isn't it?

No. The wagon hasnt existed for that long and there are still six and a half days to deadline.

Im feeling pretty good about all the players on the wagon.

I'm concerned about upsetting the game plan, but if people want to go off book, I guess we can deal with it.

[Aloratom]

Orange vs DK feels more like

TvT

to me

Uh, what? I don't remember doing anything other than ignoring DKK, not sure how you're imagining that as a TvT.

If it's not TvT, I take it you think DkKoba is scummy?

No.
I townlean DK.
Where did you get thia impression from?

If you look at the quotes, that question was for happyorange.

Huh?

Im saying orange vd DK felt TvT.

And you are asking orange, which of orange and DK are scum?

Huh?

Happyorange, in response to your question said, "Uh, what? I don't remember doing anything other than ignoring DKK, not sure how you're imagining that as a TvT."

I then asked Happyorange, "If it's not TvT, I take it you think DkKoba is scummy?"

You, I believe, thought I was asking you the question. I was asking Happyorange, who said that they had been ignoring DkKoba. I know your read on DkKoba from your original statement. There was really no reason for you to interject.

I feel like we're falling down a well with no bottom.

[Aloratom]

Hello.

Hello again.

Yes! Someone actually got it!

[Aloratom]

I'm not interested in voting orange.

What's the scoop on Allomancer? I don't hate that wagon, but it concerns me.

[Aloratom]

Orange vs DK feels more like

TvT

to me

Uh, what? I don't remember doing anything other than ignoring DKK, not sure how you're imagining that as a TvT.

If it's not TvT, I take it you think DkKoba is scummy?

Does that mean something other than I think it does? I assumed it meant town versus town, aka two villagers fighting.

I think you've been calling Village what I would call Town (the good guys). I would call the Village the set of everyone who is playing and Town (the good guys) a subset and scum (the bad guys or werewolves) a subset.

[Aloratom]

Is there any merit to suggesting that the hider not give out reads? From my way of looking at it, it just narrows down the field for the mafia to target for a double kill.

[Aloratom]

Although I do think that commenting on specific posts or actions can be helpful.

[Aloratom]

Is there any merit to suggesting that the hider not give out reads? From my way of looking at it, it just narrows down the field for the mafia to target for a double kill.

If I go on my scumread, it eliminates a scummy player so I don't think it's too bad. But I'm going to go more hands off rn to let others lead now. I just wanted to let people push on me and let them explain themselves why and then drop it on them that I'm clear so that they stop wasting time if they are town, and can be crossexamined to determine if they were scum pushing it.

That makes sense.

[Aloratom]

I'm not sure I like sharing a wagon with 72offsuit, but I'd really like to see an answer to Ico's 358 from Allomancer.

VOTE: Allomancer

[Aloratom]

@Looker -- Why are you moving your vote around so much? Do you have that many scum reads?

[Aloratom]

I didn't out prematurely. The deadline was 40% done and the discussion was not going in a productive direction(i.e. too focused on me who would be confirmed clear).

Honestly, do you not see that the value of having you cleared is greatly diminished if you then don't do or say anything. You should be helping to lynch scum today, and worry about whether/where you're hiding later.

This is a bad post.

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Aloratom]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

[Aloratom]

VOTE: 72offsuit

He's had a few posts where he's seemed really confused. I've not seen that from him before. I'm getting bad vibes there.

[Aloratom]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

Because you realized it's actually a good post, or because you realized it has zero bearing on mage's alignment?

Neither. I read 423 out of context, so it didn't say what I thought it said initially. I'm not sure where I'm placing Battle Mage yet.

[Aloratom]

I don't think it's that simple, and please don't answer questions I've directed at other people.

I'll have 12 orders of Streisand effect, please.

[Aloratom]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

416 and 418, not 418 and 423. It's just a bad idea for the hider to give reads, but that doesn't mean he can't scum hunt.

[Aloratom]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

This is beautiful. Knew I wasn't wrong here.

Explain please.

[Aloratom]

Orange vs DK feels more like

TvT

to me

Uh, what? I don't remember doing anything other than ignoring DKK, not sure how you're imagining that as a TvT.

If it's not TvT, I take it you think DkKoba is scummy?

Does that mean something other than I think it does? I assumed it meant town versus town, aka two villagers fighting.

I think you've been calling Village what I would call Town (the good guys). I would call the Village the set of everyone who is playing and Town (the good guys) a subset and scum (the bad guys or werewolves) a subset.

Yeah, I use them interchangeably but tend to default to village. Village/town, villager/townie, wolves/mafia.

My confusion was that you called it TvT when you can't really have a shouting match if only one person is shouting.

I don't think you answered my question, or if you did, I didn't understand it. Did you think at that time that DkKoba was scummy?

[Aloratom]

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

416 and 418, not 418 and 423. It's just a bad idea for the hider to give reads, but that doesn't mean he can't scum hunt.

Well, he gets a free check at night. Dkkoba dropping pressure on a slot signals to scum that there was a check there and that takes away a mislynch avenue but scum are privy to it. Then they axe that slot the following night.

The more clears that the hider has, or potential clears floating around, the more scum needs to panic.

I think I understand you. My point is that if the hider has a pool of Town reads, that's the pool scum shoot at, increasing their chances for a double kill.

[Aloratom]

Alora

Overall lots of dry questions that arent really probing or authentic-scumhunting feeling
Not only feels like pretend scumhunting but also liek scum trying to interact with several slots for distancing purposes, just something fake scum tend to do.

238 Townie vibe - Feels like an authentic read on the hiraki v battle mage

339 Basically pushing for the non clear not to out reads for the benefit of town if the hider dies - non pro-town AT ALL.

340 Backpedals, knowing he has been scummy in his previous post.

OVerall probably a scumlean rather than scumread.

Think about it. Assume DkKoba says their 3 strongest Town reads and the reads are correct. That leaves 6 people left for the hider to hide behind, and 6 people for the mafia to shoot in order to double kill. Next night it leaves less if DkKoba keeps saying essentially who they're not going to target.

This is not an original thought of mine, by the way. Mathdino deserves the credit.

[Aloratom]

Who have you previously played with?

Looker
ejji
Dk
72
clidd

Oof, I didn’t recognize you cuz of the avatar change. Hi!

Actually, this may be a partner slip. Aloratom hadn't posted until then so Ejj wouldn't have seen his avatar unless they were posting in PT.

Nice thought. But last time ejji saw me was in that 2121 mini normal that 72offsuit cited in his breakdown of ejji. I'm not sure why he commented on ejji's meta from that game and not mine.

[Aloratom]

Ejji or DDL for lynch today

But you're voting Allomancer?

[Aloratom]

Nice thought. But last time ejji saw me was in that 2121 mini normal that 72offsuit cited in his breakdown of ejji. I'm not sure why he commented on ejji's meta from that game and not mine.

Or the two games he's played with me in the last two months for that matter.

[Aloratom]

Who have you previously played with?

Looker
ejji
Dk
72
clidd

Oof, I didn’t recognize you cuz of the avatar change. Hi!

Actually, this may be a partner slip. Aloratom hadn't posted until then so Ejj wouldn't have seen his avatar unless they were posting in PT.

Nice thought. But last time ejji saw me was in that 2121 mini normal that 72offsuit cited in his breakdown of ejji. I'm not sure why he commented on ejji's meta from that game and not mine.

That's what I mean. You had the clown avatar then. But Ejj said he didn't recognize you despite the fact that you hadn't posted yet.

Gotcha.

[Aloratom]

The fact DDL never responded to Alora regarding why Alomancer is scummy, AND Alora doesnt even follow up his questioning of DDL prior to voting Alomancer makes zero sense.

What? You posted the follow-up, 270. That's pretty easy to track.

[Aloratom]

I didn't out prematurely. The deadline was 40% done and the discussion was not going in a productive direction(i.e. too focused on me who would be confirmed clear).

Honestly, do you not see that the value of having you cleared is greatly diminished if you then don't do or say anything. You should be helping to lynch scum today, and worry about whether/where you're hiding later.

This is a bad post.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Actually, re-reading 418 and 423, I'll retract.

UNVOTE: Battle Mage

72, I read your thoughts on this, but I think the thoughtlessness around this sort of double take tends to be a villager thing more often than not. What's making you read it as aloram as a wolf realizing they said something that could be perceived badly and backpedalling to avoid the heat rather than a moment where their lack of agenda as a villager shines through? I think I have more issues with aloram than not but if they're a villager then this bit is probably an indicator of that, talk to me about it a little?

Can you point me to where 72 talked about these posts? He talked about 339 and 340, but I don't recall him mentioning the posts you quoted. Or was that in a different thread?

Alora

Overall lots of dry questions that arent really probing or authentic-scumhunting feeling
Not only feels like pretend scumhunting but also liek scum trying to interact with several slots for distancing purposes, just something fake scum tend to do.

238 Townie vibe - Feels like an authentic read on the hiraki v battle mage

339 Basically pushing for the non clear not to out reads for the benefit of town if the hider dies - non pro-town AT ALL.

340 Backpedals, knowing he has been scummy in his previous post.

OVerall probably a scumlean rather than scumread.

[Aloratom]

I would expect you to scumread DDL who looks like he is dodging your questions

Keep managing damage control, my friend.

[Aloratom]

These two were in the same from Ejj. Anyone not scum reading this should state why:

"This is a bad read imo. If you think that [Orange] is town for that, why not openly say it? It kinda sounds like you want to give a hint that you disagree with the wagon without openly stating your stance on the matter."

"Ngl, the wagon on orange is starting to get weird. Being wrong is not always AI and is definitely not townie so so many players yelling at each other because of it feels slightly off."

Aloratom please state why you do or do not disagree with this.

Please point me to the original quotes so that I can read them in context.

[Aloratom]

These two were in the same from Ejj. Anyone not scum reading this should state why:

"This is a bad read imo. If you think that [Orange] is town for that, why not openly say it? It kinda sounds like you want to give a hint that you disagree with the wagon without openly stating your stance on the matter."

"Ngl, the wagon on orange is starting to get weird. Being wrong is not always AI and is definitely not townie so so many players yelling at each other because of it feels slightly off."

Aloratom please state why you do or do not disagree with this.

This is the second or third gotcha post you've tried with me. Is this your normal play style?

[Aloratom]

So...you did call your vote part of the town???

I don't know what you're asking here.

These two were in the same from Ejj. Anyone not scum reading this should state why:

"This is a bad read imo. If you think that [Orange] is town for that, why not openly say it? It kinda sounds like you want to give a hint that you disagree with the wagon without openly stating your stance on the matter."

"Ngl, the wagon on orange is starting to get weird. Being wrong is not always AI and is definitely not townie so so many players yelling at each other because of it feels slightly off."

Aloratom please state why you do or do not disagree with this.

Please point me to the original quotes so that I can read them in context.

164

These two were in the same from Ejj. Anyone not scum reading this should state why:

"This is a bad read imo. If you think that [Orange] is town for that, why not openly say it? It kinda sounds like you want to give a hint that you disagree with the wagon without openly stating your stance on the matter."

"Ngl, the wagon on orange is starting to get weird. Being wrong is not always AI and is definitely not townie so so many players yelling at each other because of it feels slightly off."

Aloratom please state why you do or do not disagree with this.

This is the second or third gotcha post you've tried with me. Is this your normal play style?

I'm trying to read you since you're not providing enough to be read on your own. Please answer 596 as well.

I find that entire block from ejji more objectionable as to form than as to substance. I'm not sure what's so scummy about the two quotes you pulled in particular. Please enlighten me.

As for the DrDolittle thing. I don't think he ever answered, and I don't think I hounded him about it. I don't know why or why not or if there was a reason at all.

[Aloratom]

I find that entire block from ejji more objectionable as to form than as to substance. I'm not sure what's so scummy about the two quotes you pulled in particular. Please enlighten me.

544 is newbie scum calling someone out for something they think is scummy and then doing the very thing in the same post.

We all scum read people based on different things, some are legitimate tells and some aren't. Regardless of whether they are good tells are not, we basically tend to scum read people for things we

personally

do as scum. The first line shows the type of thing Ejj finds suspicious, and the second line shows him doing that very thing.

Furthermore, it's a complete contradiction in mindstate. He was getting on BM for defending the orange wagon, but he himself felt it needed defending against.

Looking at it from that point of view, I can see where you're coming from. Thank you for making it more clear. What does 544 have to do with this?

[Aloratom]

VOTE: allo

Why allomancer? If we want scum today, we lynch 72offsuit.

[Aloratom]

we're not lynching 72, they're my hardest TR, I don't see what u read as scum at all in them

Did you read Hiraki's 691? That's a good start.

[Aloratom]

we're not lynching 72, they're my hardest TR, I don't see what u read as scum at all in them

Did you read Hiraki's 691? That's a good start.

Along with 678, 679 and 680.

[Aloratom]

Any1 wanna flashwagon allomancer? I do

You were parked on 72offsuit. Now you want a flashwagon on allomancer, who 72offsuit was trying to wagon earlier. Please explain.

[Aloratom]

Townread
DK

Townlean
Tet
Madoka

Null
Ico
Looker
HO

Null-scum
Hiraki

Scumlean
Allom

Scumread
DDL
Alora
Ejji

What has changed with Happyorange to cause you to vote him?

[Aloratom]

Townread
DK

Townlean
Tet
Madoka

Null
Ico
Looker
HO

Null-scum
Hiraki

Scumlean
Allom

Scumread
DDL
Alora
Ejji

What has changed with Happyorange to cause you to vote him?

That should say what had changed with Happyorange before his claim to cause you to vote him.

[Aloratom]

I never said I had a wolf read of you. I said I would sheep DK. I asked DK to vote for DDL or A50. He didnt and chose you instead.

I see.

[Aloratom]

HO
171 Scummy vibe -Fence sitting - 0 reads.

223 Townie - vibe - Feel townie attitude saying he is leaning towards lynching Hiraki and his theories of 'gaslighting' BM and setting up a mislynch of BM
Agree with his difficulty reading into BM.
It took me ages to come to a conclusion as to where my thoughts were at Regarding the slot.

312 Townie - vibe - Agree with the thoughts on DDL and his odd responses to Madoka's read and questioning. Feels like genuine scumhunting.

455 Scummy vibe Feels like garbage reasoning to place a vote on me after several players have expressed sentiment for voting for me.
The timing seems awfully convenient for !scumHO, given my TvT read/post occured way back in post 114.

@happyorange, if you were Town reading you at this point, would this hold water?

[Aloratom]

Each of those individual reads by 72offsuit from 489 to 507, each person, are those good reads on you?

[Aloratom]

Wtf happened to the DDL lynch. Zzzzz

Terrible end of day by madoka

We lynch this with fire tomorrow.

Ico/72 aren't a team.

[Aloratom]

Look at ico's first two posts and several in his ISO. He's need critical of 72 all day. Can't link, but they're easy to find.

[Aloratom]

*been

[Aloratom]

Wtf happened to the DDL lynch. Zzzzz

Terrible end of day by madoka

We lynch this with fire tomorrow.

Ico/72 aren't a team.

Elaborate.

Spoiler:

Hider claims don't cross target. The tracker can figure out the hider between the two via night actions and the hider knows the counterclaim is scum.

The way hider + tracker work in this setup is essentially a cop in combination.

Hider doesn't have to out their targets. Tracker follows the hider and if the hider lives the person they visited is a green check. If the hider dies and there is a nightkill then it's a red check.

Scum can't counterclaim hider in the setup. They can CC tracker but only if they successfully lynch the hider since he can corroborate the targets.

Now this sounds like you are encouraging scum to CC hider -_-

and you think that's a scummy thing to do? you think he's telling his buddies to CC when the time comes? why do that public and not in PT?

also why are you pushing allomancer based on setup spec when

literally the entire game so far has been exactly that

?

@72, if you think allomancer looks bad because of that, why aren't you pushing other players for the same reason? I'm sure there are others here who have done nothing but talk about mech or even not that

Why is this odd?I agreed with your post 150 that Allomancer responded immediately after I pressured him. Though looking back its probs obvious I'm going to agree with you following up on my own questioning of AllomI agreed with Hira in disliking your voting post on Allom.It feels like you are casting shade on me here. Scummy post vibe.

why is it odd?

in 1 post you are agreeing with me on pushing allo

and in the next you are shading me for my push on allo

???

It feels like you are casting shade on me here.

i'm calling you out on an obvious confliction in your posting, it's not shading

how the fuck am i shading when i'm talking directly to you lol

i'm so offended by that

I agreed with Hira in disliking your voting post on Allom.

ok let's go

what exactly are you disliking in my follow up questioning and vote on allomancer

These are not partner equity posts.

[Aloratom]

Each of those individual reads by 72offsuit from 489 to 507, each person, are those good reads on you?

Feel like you didn't read any of the post where I talk about how I don't read into people's reads on me.

I don't think that I was clear as to the point of the exercise.

[Aloratom]

Someone bullet point DrDolittle please.

[Aloratom]

16 hours. Anyone off ddl that doesn't vote him in their next post is advocating for a no lynch.

And you almost had me.

I'll give you another chance.

[Aloratom]

Scum reside here:

Madoka ???
Looker ???
Amost50 ???
BattleMage ???

allomancer
72offsuit

[Aloratom]

If orange is PR.

[Aloratom]

VOTE: Allomancer

[Aloratom]

@Looker Allomancer wagon today since that's where the momentum is.

[Aloratom]

@Looker Allomancer wagon today since that's where the momentum is.

And I believe he is scum btw. It's not just a wild hair.

[Aloratom]

I think the tags on the above got messed up.

I'm going to table my 72 read because it seems like no one actually really fundamentally agrees with it. I think I know how to end today with an easy scumlynch.

Vote: Looker

72offsuit is scum; I agree. Why not Allomancer though?

[Aloratom]

Umm...

[Aloratom]

I don't know what to do about that.

[Aloratom]

72offsuit is still my #1 SR

[Aloratom]

I was holding off on the Allomancer wagon because of, well, what happened.

[Aloratom]

Do you think BM is VI or scum?

[Aloratom]

I'll lay out a case on 72 Day 3.

[Aloratom]

72offsuit is still my #1 SR

I'm still thinking it could be somewhere in Tet-Hiraki-Iconeum.

Can't do anything about that now, can we?

[Aloratom]

BM was the hammer, wasn't he?

[Aloratom]

Post 1140 was L-1. Almost voted Allomancer.

[Aloratom]

I'm fine was with the Allomancer lynch by the way. I was just waiting for DKKoba.

[Aloratom]

You're right actually. I don't mind it. DkKoba can out his clear if he wants but the clear likely just dies tonight. I think it's better to wait until tomorrow with two clears or one and a guilty. That basically makes any CC a 2 for 1.

He's better off playing it close to the vest.

[Aloratom]

Spoiler:

Subject: Open 775: Hard-Boiled Eggs [Night 2]

Vote count 1.5

72offsuit (1)

- Hiraki

happyorange (1)

- ejjinami

DkKoba (1)

- Allomancer

Allomancer (5)

- Tet, 72offsuit, DrDolittle, Iconeum, DkKoba

ejjinami (1)

- Looker

Hiraki(1)

- Battle Mage

not voting (3) -

Madoka, Aloratom, happyorange

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-04-11 09:00:00)

mod notes:

searching for ejjinami replacement

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Subject: Open 775: Hard-Boiled Eggs [Night 2]

Vote count 1.10

happyorange (5)

- Almost50, Hiraki, DkKoba, Iconeum, 72offsuit

72offsuit (4)

- Aloratom, happyorange, DrDolittle, Madoka

Hiraki (1)

- Battle Mage

Allomancer (1)

- Tet

Tet (1)

- Looker

not voting (1) -

Allomancer

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-04-11 09:00:00)

mod notes:

The D1 deadline will fall on Easter weekend so I may extend N1 past the 48 hours until the holidays are over.

Subject: Open 775: Hard-Boiled Eggs [Night 2]

Vote count 1.14

DrDolittle (7)

- Allomancer, Hiraki, Madoka, 72offsuit, happyorange, Looker, DkKoba

----LYNCHED

Allomancer (3)

- Tet, DrDolittle, Aloratom

Iconeum (1)

- Battle Mage

Madoka (1)

- Iconeum

not voting (1) -

Almost50

with 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch

mod notes:

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Subject: Open 775: Hard-Boiled Eggs [Night 2]

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Vote count 2.2

Battle Mage (1)

- Allomancer

Allomancer (6)

- Tet, Madoka, Looker, Iconeum, Almost50, Battle Mage

----LYNCHED

Iconeum (1)

- 72offsuit

Looker(1)

- Hiraki

not voting (2) ~

Aloratom, DkKoba

with 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2020-04-25 12:00:00)

mod notes:

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Day 1 happyorange main wagon/72offsuit counter wagon. The 72offsuit counter wagon is fully Town from my POV. Tet, help me out -- does that have signifcance?

The lynch wagon on Dr Dolittle. Would all three mafia be on the wagon?

If 72offsuit is Town, was there scum on the Day 1 wagon on Allomancer?

[Aloratom]

Aloratom I need your opinion on all of: A50, Ico, and Looker

I will catch up Saturday sometime, but I think 1282 and 1283 may have cleared a lot up.

[Aloratom]

Aloratom I need your opinion on all of: A50, Ico, and Looker

This is kind of free-form thought:

My Day 2 post-flip solve was Allomancer/72offsuit/[Madoka/Hiraki]. Looker's 1283 has Allomancer/72offsuit/Hiraki. This may be it. BUT this means that all three scum were on the DrDolittle wagon, which I'm leery of, and it supposes a 72offsuit/Hiraki team, which as 72 pointed out is tough given their interactions this game. Hiraki, though, has never pushed their 72offsuit scumread to lead a lynch and now is giving into "maybe I was wrong about 72offsuit all along."

Looker, Ico, Almost50 -- all were on the Allomancer wagon. 72offsuit and Hiraki both stayed off the Allomancer wagon.

Ico looks good to me, being on both Allomancer wagons (and pushing that Day 1 Allomancer wagon harder than anyone even after it fell apart). And going through his ISO, Ico is Town.

With Looker, look at this post of yours again (last 3 lines -- not real sure what you meant by the first of the three but think you were onto something):

Also, @Tet: You left out the person you're actually voting - Allomancer. Why is he in your lynch pool?

He's prob scum. Hasn't contributed anything to flip that read. Did literally nothing and his wagon still managed to disappear.

Orange was the shiny toy that got dangled in front of town. If he's the psych then I don't know why ANYONE is buying that scum bailed on town!Allo's wagon that had traction for another town wagon without a claim. Especially now knowing scum don't have daytalk.

Now that I've said that out loud the dichotomy that makes more sense than a50/looker is Ico/Hiraki having at least 1 scum.

Ico being the catalyst for the orange wagon despite a scumread on Allo.

Hiraki for the weird scumleaning but unwillingness to throw a vote in that direction if they didn't have to (classic partner interaction).

Ico I'm sure is Town. Looker I'm not sure, even though I reached the same conclusion as he.

Almost50 I'm meh about. I need to look at yet. And I need to challenge my tunnel on 72 before I post what I want on him.

[Aloratom]

So are we lynching today or voting no lynch?
We have an even number of players which usually suggests a no lynch, pls correct me if im derping.

I could probably live with a no-lynch actually, if we are intending to end the day fairly quick, to avoid accidentally outing the tracker.

We're lynching someone today. We've got plenty of time to figure it out.

[Aloratom]

My Day 2 post-flip solve was Allomancer/72offsuit/[Madoka/Hiraki]. Looker's 1283 has Allomancer/72offsuit/Hiraki. This may be it. BUT this means that all three scum were on the DrDolittle wagon, which I'm leery of, and it supposes a 72offsuit/Hiraki team, which as 72 pointed out is tough given their interactions this game. Hiraki, though, has never pushed their 72offsuit scumread to lead a lynch and now is giving into "maybe I was wrong about 72offsuit all along."

When I said Hiraki and 72 can be together but Hiraki can still be scum without 72 that's what I was getting at.

72 was Hirakis top scumread but was unwilling to vote there at any point. Even when the 72 wagon was at it's height and getting a lynch there was a possibility.

Given that the logic held up for the Allo wagon (same interactions exist here) it's safe to draw a comparison there.

I think Almost50 is likely Town. Ejji was a bit questionable early but pushed orange on mechanics, which was warranted. When A50 repped in, he also questioned orange on mechanics. He got into it with Madoka, which looks like TvT (when that was going on I was thinking Madoka was flaky). Despite conflict with Madoka Day 1, his plan was to sheep her Day 2.

Off of Allomancer Day 1 wagon (ejji was idle and A50 hadn't repped in yet it looks like). Orange wagon -- ejji had voted orange RVS, A50 left it there and was scumreading orange and unvoted after orange claimed. Not on the Dolittle lynch wagon. Sheeped Tet on Day 2 Allomancer lynch wagon.

Ico says Town A50 in 720, 736, 761.

[Aloratom]

@Aloratom: I feel your thinking is why bussing is so effective. Of course 72 is going to argue that he can't be scum because of what he did; I don't see how that's alignment-indicative.

What do you think about Ico's read on BattleMage?

[Aloratom]

Right now I've got Tet, Ico, Almost50 as Town.

Battle Mage, Looker, Hiraki, 72offsuit not sure yet, but that's where both mafia are. Battle Mage could be the missing link.

[Aloratom]

why battle mage is allomancer partner:

in 131 it really feels like BM is calling out to his partner to put out some better posts, and maybe get into an early 1v1 with him.

208 first attempt at destabilizing allo wagon 'surely there's scum on'

336 soft townreading and defending allo

In reality, I think it's hard to read too much into this yet - probably worth picking this up tomorrow, or at least when we know what Allomancer is -

who knows, maybe Dkkoba can confirm him as town

?

trying to bait the hider onto allomancer

The very fact that this shenanigans has resulted in wagons on me (town) and

Allomancer (based on evidence so far, could easily be town

), when presumably nobody has any intent on lynching, and so the wagons are completely meaningless, achieves what exactly?

defending allomancer who's town 'because evidence'
also really downplaying the wagon and push on him

In terms of the actual comment - yes I'm quite OBVIOUSLY trying to get Dk to reveal who he visited, which is 100% in the town's interest

remember this intent from BM, you probably know where i'm going with this

I've broken my own rule and

done an ISO of Allomancer. He could be scum

. Not a cert, but a good possibility. Plus he surely can't be confirmed town, otherwise even Dkkoba would have said.Vote: Allomancer

this quickhammer happened at a time where dkkoba started pushing into battle mage, and also shut down any chance dkkoba had of clearing his target
the way he went around his townpushing of allomancer: 'oh but now i've actually read his posts, yeah this can be scum' is just faked imo

if someone is genuinely townreading battle mage, talk to me and either convince me of town!BM or join me in lynching this

I don't like the Battle Mage vs DkKoba conflict. Both feel like egotistical players not willing to back down from a challenge. Either could be scum or town from what I've seen. I really don't understand battle mage's argument that because dkkoba said he's new but is also aggressive that means he's scum, though.

That wasn't my argument. The argument is basically:

Dkkoba very aggressive/emotional language and very confident about reads.
Dkkoba has little reason to be that confident in reads, so I'm not convinced it's legit.
The fact Dkkoba started the game passive and became aggressive very quickly is also odd. Although that could be a personality trait perhaps.

Does it mean he's

definitely

scum? Of course not, but at this stage it's a good enough reason for a vote.

I think there's some merit to the suggestion that Allomancer has been pretty non-committal so far, and playing very safe.

Allomancer, care to share some early insights?

And I echo post 118 - Hiraki, what are you talking about?

Allomancer - do you still not have any reads? I got the sense you might have a scumread on me, as I'm the only person you've come close to indicating suspicion of.

Dkkoba - Apologies on the pronoun thing - It's not something I've ever really paid attention to, but will try to remember if it bothers you.

This questioning of Allom gives me a fake/forced/pre-prepared vibe. Getting a scum-scum vibe from this interaction.
Allom already outed some superficial reads after i pressed him.

I think that's because I'm having fun! It was pre-prepared in the sense that I thought about it before I posted it (as is the case surprisingly often!).

The second time I asked was sort of a rhetorical question - hence the winky face emoji! His "superficial reads" did not really indicate much suspicion of anyone, which is why I tried to prompt him a bit, whilst also pointing out that he had been pretty non-committal.

In better news, you might be half-right if Allom is scum!

If BM is scum, does that cut 72 out, or could this be SvSvS?

[Aloratom]

Intent.

[Aloratom]

24 hrs

[Aloratom]

BM may be one of the two scum, but I'm more confident in a Hiraki lynch today. Ico, you say that you see Hiraki getting lynched tomorrow regardless of BM's flip today, right? So why not flip Hiraki today?

[Aloratom]

However we do it, whoever is flipped today, if we hit green, then we start tomorrow 4-2, hopefully not down a TR. If we flip red, we start tomorrow 5-1. I think there's a stronger case for Hiraki, but I could go Battle Mage because I think we have the room to do it.

We've got a solid town core of 4. 7-8/10 times we lose Tet tonight unless scum have a bead on the TR.

[Aloratom]

Tet, what is your take on Looker?

[Aloratom]

I'm good with that.

[Aloratom]

I don't want to go off on a tangent tomorrow though if we lose Tet tonight.

[Aloratom]

VOTE: 72offsuit

[Aloratom]

Damn. Nicely played.

[Aloratom]

Thanks for the game, BEF.