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Whooo boy.In post 1722, GuiltyLion wrote:yall need to sheep me on Bell whether it's today or D3 after you chop me-
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Thread exploded let me look.In post 1843, Gamma Emerald wrote:Bell can you answer my question? Even a simple “I don’t remember” is fine.-
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Okay. Ydrasse didn’t vote you and town read you when presented the opportunity to do the opposite in a precarious position. when I thought from a survivalist perspective she wouldn’t do that. Other than that, good ol’ paranoia and lack of confidence in my own reads and ideas.In post 1833, Gamma Emerald wrote:Bell can you expand on your paranoia around the time you voted me? I want to understand some of the inner mechanisms of how those votes moved.-
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In post 1820, tea leaves wrote:This vote is also super strange. It comes after Ydrasse did that scummy L-1 vote on Hobbes, and we all discuss how scummy that is and momentum starts to shift back to Ydrasse from Hobbes. Queue Morning coming in putting Hobbes right back on L-1.
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Thinking.
Ydrasse buddied up to isis.
She tried to kill tealeaves. I think she was taking the lead on that push.
Yesterday she got behind the guiltylion wagon.
Guilty voted her back after initial agitation.
Farren pressed pretty hard on the eject ydrasse button. Very townie today imo.
Morning tweet’s writing style is all wrong for scum her.
But on the other hand, we just learned that ydrasse can either fake her chill or just had a good game.
Mmmm. I guess I don’t know how ydrasse would interact with her scum partner-
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In post 179, Ydrasse wrote:i've come out of the last page or two townreading clidd + menalque. mt to a lesser degree but still in my townreads. i think that the back and forth between the former was maneuvered in a way that settled some of the weird feelings i had towards the line of question from mena, of which mt voiced. also this is because i am tired and only really looking over the last few pages now. :>
i liked gamma's opening (it made me feel special... and also it was super bold) and i don't remember anything about farren right now or much of the others right now but that is an issue for after i sleep.
while it's hypocritical to say that like... activity =/= alignment it does feel like the towniest people right now are the people posting the most right now?In post 283, Ydrasse wrote:i think that morning tweet is town!In post 285, Ydrasse wrote:the reason for that townread in particular is that i think her open-mindedness this game thus far feels townier than not? like, i don't think she's hedging when she says she doesn't know something and isn't looking for someone to supply her the answers so much as wanting to collaborate with everyone if that makes sense?In post 377, Ydrasse wrote:
i haven't moved my vote since i arrived in this game so that point is moot imo. i explained already why the cliddslot was my choice.In post 375, GuiltyLion wrote:^this is a good question, I didn't mind tea's comments on it in the catchup but repeating it in 370 doesn't really feel like a meaningful or useful push
also @Dunn, the main thing that stood out to me re:Ydrasse was she came in and answered a question about MT, gave justification for it that suggests she's current with the game, but didn't share any thoughts on Clidd, the main wagon and the person she's voting.
i also think that implying that i'm not trying to solve is unfair, because i am trying to sort people! i'm not being stingy with my reads but i simply didn't have the energy nor time to sit down and properly wrangle anything to do with this game; it was easy to answer the question directed at me because i already had a read on mt from conversation prior.
now though, i am actually going to give my thoughts and try to see if the tentative poe i was toying around with makes any sense. :>In post 379, Ydrasse wrote:i like farren quite a bit. :> am adding him to my townpile.In post 380, Ydrasse wrote:
piggybacking off of this to say that i agree wrt to the state of the game; it feels that only in the last few pages have people really started to try and push harder to form wagons and talk things out;In post 364, GuiltyLion wrote:
yeah I was just about to address this when I saw your latest postIn post 269, Morning Tweet wrote:@Guilty, i'll add this on to my other question in 232, who were you referring to as the "more active posters" when you said one is very likely to be scum?
I think you're seeing that comment as something meant to vaguely shade slots like Mena without doing so by name, but my intent was more to push clidd on what I saw as a really reachy assertion about scumreads. I can see how I maybe got slightly carried away making my point in the abstract with the 'foothold' comment rather than focusing on specific players here, probably because I don't have a solid grip on how I feel about the game myself. It doesn't feel like anyone has really pushed to do anything yet
^ to the last post too: i feel that farren's energy throughout the game so far though has sort of strayed away from the... laziness??? not laziness but low-key energy fmpov and been more proactive without it becoming more of a driving force in a Bad Way. it's more probing to figure out how people are gonna reply and i am a fan of that.In post 387, Ydrasse wrote:my townread on clidd was mainly based on the way that he maneuvered that discussion about meta with mena; i thought that the resolution it came to was Pleasant which boded well? it felt like a good discussion that didn't end up with anyone coming out of it like... looking bad.
my qualms with your case against him are sort of nitpicky i think.
p-edit: why is it scum indicative?In post 395, Ydrasse wrote:i think this is probably a self-centered view regarding guiltylion because he voted me, but it feels as if he's hyperfocused on a few small things that are at odds with being as cognizant of the game state as he is?In post 474, Ydrasse wrote:will not be around to Properly talk/etc but @tea, what about guilty feels off to you? i remember your slot's predecessor saying the exact same thing and i'm wondering if you can verbalize it a bit better?In post 523, Ydrasse wrote:
going back to this b4 i visit the Tea Points but i was saying you WERE cognizant of it, which was why the zoom in felt... jarring i guess? but like i said that is by virtue of it being on me i think. also again i think that the voting point is kinda pointless because... clidd was my rvs vote and not something i was actively pushing. i consider you to be my first i guess meaningful vote?In post 445, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 395, Ydrasse wrote:i think this is probably a self-centered view regarding guiltylion because he voted me, but it feels as if he's hyperfocused on a few small things that are at odds with being as cognizant of the game state as he is?
how am I not being cognizant of the game state?In post 396, Ydrasse wrote:like, i guess it seems like a macro assessment of things (that i agreed with, no one pushing anything with vengeance) that zooms in onto me for reasons that don't hold much weight fmpov (the vote and me not trying to find the baddies) which seems... contradictory? in how to view the game as a whole.
like from my view - I'm re-evaluating clidd slot and pressuring a slot that has been voting him the whole game yet not seemingly updating that read based on the content he's given. That leads me to decide to vote/pressure you. Why can you not imagine this coming from a town!GL perspective?
i can see it coming from a town perspective but admittedly i don't feel like... bad for voting you either/leaving it? i had other townreads which you weren't living up to personally. i am curious to see who else you have in your poe currently though because we seem to agree on the progression of things thus far.
also, what do you think of tea's points against you? (i'm about to respond to them but i wanna know your take.)In post 524, Ydrasse wrote:@tea: i'm unsure if i'm biased or not in this tbh because i townread your slot's predecessor by virtue of the things that guiltylion is calling clidd/your slot out for. the main points about it that really stick with me are guiltylion coming in strong with the vote on clidd in 210 and the very last point in 221 where guilty hadn't asked why clidd had that poe.
the former point, though... do you think it makes sense for a town!gl to see that the game is kind of slow-moving and take it upon himself to try and start something or not? he does say he got carried away but i'm unsure if that's him backing down from something after people challenge it. s:
if not, i think that a scum!gl might see that quite a few people are being towny and exchanging trs with each other and want to try and disrupt/challenge that?
also as an addendum for my previous post @gl: i wanna clarify, was there any reason why you didn't ask clidd about his reads in more depth?In post 546, Ydrasse wrote:
because i'm not announcing every change in my reads.In post 541, GuiltyLion wrote:like "tea, give your reasons on why Guilty may be scum"
"Guilty, what do you think of tea's reasons"
If this is somehow influencing Ydrasse's reads on either of us, I haven't seen it yet
but i do find it helpful to see what you guys mutually think of one another. :> i'm not framing you as against tea leaves so much as just trying to see what thoughts you have on each other's slots. i'm not acting like, with complete sureness in my scumreads right now so much as having a few townreads i'm working with and going from there.In post 582, Ydrasse wrote:
...why?In post 560, tea leaves wrote:
Farren asks a weird question over here because he's asking about this townread saying he doesn't understand it despite saying he liked and agreed with mentions of it precious.In post 550, Farren wrote:Those positions make sense for Dunnstral and Pine.
I do not understand your townread on Gamma Emerald. I liked 70 and 77. You initially mentioned your read of Gamma in 99; I can see a townread at that point. Has anything since then influenced it?
GuiltyLion posts recently looked better to me so now I'll go for Dunnstral or Farren. To make things interesting I'll vote Farren.
VOTE: Farren
like, between the two of those why wouldn't you join a wagon on dunn? i don't understand what interesting means or what it's supposed to accomplish right now.In post 594, Ydrasse wrote:*raises eyebrow*In post 601, Ydrasse wrote:tea, can you tell me which posts made you start scumreading farren more than dunn? is it because of 550?In post 607, Ydrasse wrote:do you know how in the sims when you say something and you see the little negative sign come up and you lose relationship points with the other sim? that was what that vote was for me.-
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I’ll listen.In post 1984, Morning Tweet wrote:Should i towncase Isis? or not bother
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More positioning.In post 1997, Morning Tweet wrote:Damn now im worried i could possibly towncase both scum in one game
it'll be a pretty unbiased read through of isis i think because now im nervous about being wrong-
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You’re doing such a good job if you’re scum Farren.In post 2016, Farren wrote:Entertaining?-
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To summarize:
1.“Town morningtweet posts like this, while scum morning tweet posts like this”
2.Head is pretty on board wherever I’m looking and thinking.
1. Tealeaves respond to ydrasse scum reading them in an odd way for a scum player.
2. She voted him first. I don’t think she was avoiding or protecting him in anyway.
3. Mentioned Clidd reasons in opening post.
4. He kinda grabbed me when he said why he wasn’t scum this game.-
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This was offset to some extent because ydrasse probably wouldn’t interact with her partner the least out of all the players. Though perhaps because of how Dunnstral flipped it made her stand out more.
The wording she uses to address ydrasse feels fairly condescending. Or perhaps better put, like they’re on opposite sides of the aisle.-
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It’s you.In post 2051, Isis wrote:i don't like this game i don't like having a poe that poes everyone and then i have nowhere to believe-
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No.In post 2075, Morning Tweet wrote:Bell solve the game-
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It won’t burn you this time. But yeah, I can be a sucker for them too.In post 2081, Morning Tweet wrote:Tea do like, a tiny lil self meta case
Like when Bell said "I would never go out of my way to give my scum partner a hard time upon entering the game where they're not even under any pressure. I'm just not that kind of player"
im a sucker for that kind of defence despite it burning me at least once or twice
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This reasoning isn’t within my wheel house. I’m not sure how likely that is versus L1 vote.In post 2082, tea leaves wrote:Let's talk about this vote again.
It puts Hobbes on L-1 and Ydrasse hasn't posted content in a while. It looks very opportunistic and scummy.
As scum, this is pretty unideal for Ydrasse.
BUT, if Hobbes is also scum. Then scum!Ydrasse is in the mindset of "oh one of us is getting launched today anyway, who cares" or could be thinking "how could they think I'm scummy for this vote? It's on scum."