Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Bridgeburners]

I feel as if I have reiterated that point as a yes multiple times

Although in fairness what I’ve said to skitt in pt vs what I’ve said here may have blended into one another

But like skitt isn’t that interested in going there today so I’m leaving it alone. I just got optimistic briefly that she’d changed her mind

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

If Isis is a serial killer I feel like that would explain a lot

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I was just making a joke in reference to recent events and the dream of this being a nice chilled out and relaxing game being taken out back behind the chemical shed and shot in the head

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

But hi, nice to see you also

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I feel as if I have reiterated that point as a yes multiple times

Although in fairness what I’ve said to skitt in pt vs what I’ve said here may have blended into one another

But like skitt isn’t that interested in going there today so I’m leaving it alone. I just got optimistic briefly that she’d changed her mind

-QB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo
I believe in Us.

So close and yet so far, if only you’d linked the Bon Iver cover

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I feel as if I have reiterated that point as a yes multiple times

Although in fairness what I’ve said to skitt in pt vs what I’ve said here may have blended into one another

But like skitt isn’t that interested in going there today so I’m leaving it alone. I just got optimistic briefly that she’d changed her mind

-QB

man you two really aren't agreeing on anything this game lol

I wouldn’t say that’s true, or at least not more than normal

We see things in different ways but I think we’re doing quite a good job of being cohesive in the actual positions we’re taking even if we’re also explaining our own perspectives when it comes up

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Oh, S_S

Oh, buddy

Three times in a row, really?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

a haiku should have
five, then seven, then five beats

Only strictly true when writing in Japanese, in English it’s just convention

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

No lol and I’m also immediately leaving again bc I wanna play RDR2

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I’ll be around tomorrow probably, maybe tonight

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

heya i'm around for a bit but am not caught up,so gonna try to read through now

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

schiavetto is fairly obvtown (in case what wasn't obvious), 1085 is what's prompting this thought

i wanna say i lightly townread shirou's opening but like it's nearly entirely gut and it's not strong at all

i'm still reading but i wanna ask: is it known if this game has daytalk? i think my willingness to flip ben's slot (ss?) is dependant on that

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

@skitt, implo: is there anything you actually actively scumread about sechyd?

not really, no, it was more of a: don't townread them yet vibe

and i'm actually really liking ico's back and forth with shirou here, so i maybe want to retract the above

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

hi shirou!!

@skitt, implo: is there anything you actually actively scumread about sechyd?

also i don't remember if i said this or not but implo feels like a viable ben partner

interesting, why?

@QB, is there a reason why you seem allergic to talking to me this game?

this line alone is extremely town!indicative for datisi

hm?

room temperature take: ico going after shirou wasn't scummy and it's lowkey what i'd expect of him regardless of alignment

@shirou, i know you're not a fan of putting slots in a list, but i still gotta ask, why am i so low? like the only thing you said about me so far is that i'm in the "too many townreads", which... eeeh.

gosh sorry i should have read the rest of the post first

implo calling mena +town for him wanting to flip the pr claim felt a bit partner-y to me in that i could imagine a ben partner saying something similar to subtly promote the 'anti-flipping-ben' sentiment in thread without *overtly* doing so

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

It didn't in 781.

is that the one where lilith was scum? i'm kinda imagining a similar situation to where she fake-claimed, but didn't do it *well* since there was no daytalk
not quite the same thing, but i feel like he'd be more likely to claim tracker as scum (maybe) if there wasnt

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

lilith

[Bridgeburners]

I'm not particularly impressed by skitter's scumgame. Sorry

>:(

~ skitter

(in jest)

[Bridgeburners]

i had planned on taking a break but i saw this playerlist and thought, what a fine group of people to make myself miserable with over the next month, so naturally i requested to replace in


unfortunately i am

scum

and as such will be putting in absolutely no effort to help anyone

hello!!!

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

the more i think abt the claim, the more i want to flip ben, but i actually kinda like ss's entrance tbh

i feel like this is a game where scum is in the consensus townreads, the game doesn't make much sense otherwise

on a related note, i would like to mention that i explicitly do not townread dats

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

is it known if this game has daytalk?

OP doesn't say anything, which I guess means we go by the wiki, so no?

I am suddenly very happy I rolled town.

hmmmmm why?

and the wiki doesn't say either

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

oh i missed that, whoops

ok if we're going with that i think your slot's claim is scummy unfortunately :/

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

ss can you show me where you think ben exhibited confidence in claiming?
also how much have you read already?

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

i mean he was in the hot seat for a while, why couldn't have scum-him come up with the claim like the day prior when he realized where the gamestate was going

shirou i am trying not to spam post, i want to be kinda chill tbh

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

i don't know who to vote rn
i kinda want another vc and i'll maybe switch to implo idk yet

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

VOTE: Bridgeburners

go on

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

i perhaps kidna mispoke, what i was trying to say was: many, many people have been expressing the vibes that they dont' really have any scumreads, and they townread everyone except like ben/nm and like a couple of other names.

i don't think the game is that easy, and that we're all right, which means we're going wroing somewhere

[Bridgeburners]

i perhaps kidna mispoke, what i was trying to say was: many, many people have been expressing the vibes that they dont' really have any scumreads, and they townread everyone except like ben/nm and like a couple of other names.

i don't think the game is that easy, and that we're all right, which means we're going wroing somewhere

~ skitteR, sorry

[Bridgeburners]

nope everything tonight was me, in case i missed signing something else

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

i'm waiting for a vc (for i am Lazy) but i'm probably switching to implo

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

so you're saying intelectually there's likely scum in the nullish/negleted slots? because there's not many consensus town reads and I don't think people are "town reading everyone except some names"

not really
i'm more making an observation that i don't think scum is in the places everyone is kinda settling on

i don't necessarily have a solution fwiw

~ skitteR

@penguin, you're forgetting your Ponglin nickname

[Bridgeburners]

that's a townie post from isis- 1401 to clarify

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

ok let's do it then

VOTE: nm

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

i actually maybe don't tr shirou

between shirou and sec-hyd i think sec-hyd is always townier

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

Does it, tho?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

For fuck’s sake ico, now that question is weirdly placed

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Idk if town u would feel particularly worried about being insta-executed vs just writing it off

Whereas I think scum u would

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I’m ngl I haven’t read anything since shirou repped in pretty much, apart from things which have been on the same page when I’ve checked on the thread

But my thing is that it’s quite easy as town to be like “ah shit, guess the slot is p irredeemable, guess I’ll give some reads and hopefully they re-eval tomorrow”

And like, you generally don’t come across as someone who I think is /that/ fussed about not being elimmed in a bad slot?

So if u were worried about it, I think that’s scum indicative for you

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

i don't feel a desire to vote the bridgeburners at this moment, but i'd like to hear someone try to sell me on it.

Y would u like someone to try and sell u on us?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

That’s lowkey a kinda weird thing to say

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Also, hi peta

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Who r the votes floating on us other than shirou?

Also, I guess that makes sense but ur phrasing struck me as weird. As in, if you have no desire to vote us (don’t really think we’re scum) then why would u want someone to sell u us? Sounds like it’s looking for an excuse to make a vote or to change tack

But ur reasons make sense

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I suppose it’s the “sell me on it” vs “I’d like to hear why X is voting bb”

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I logged in mafiascum.net with coffee on hand to look at the game and Mena isn't OMGUS'ing me, neither said much of anything to me at all

There’s like, not a lot to say? Skitt has been busy the last couple of days and so at a minimum I wanna discuss it with her, but we were reasonably happy with notsci!town + I haven’t actually read you since the day you arrived so I don’t know if your vote on us was bad faith/meme/made sense for how you were seeing the game

It was like mild pings for the simple fact that I think scum would want to elim me/skitt + it feeling like a vanity but those two things are actually contradictory in a way that feels like maybe it’s slightly more likely to come from town?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

petapan probtown also

y

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I thought it was Mena

I’ve never been so [flattered]/[offended] (pick one)

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

S_S if we murderise you today where would you want us to look tomorrow?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

VOTE: S_S

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

And it was on this day, this blessed day, that S_S was yeeteth’d from the thread with great prejudice

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I logged in mafiascum.net with coffee on hand to look at the game and Mena isn't OMGUS'ing me, neither said much of anything to me at all

There’s like, not a lot to say? Skitt has been busy the last couple of days and so at a minimum I wanna discuss it with her, but we were reasonably happy with notsci!town + I haven’t actually read you since the day you arrived so I don’t know if your vote on us was bad faith/meme/made sense for how you were seeing the game

Hm

I think scum would want to elim me/skitt

If you're town I would agree with this to an extent, but I want you to think about this game so far/how slots treated you and think whether from your PoV scum is trying to eliminate you on dayphase in a world where Isis is town.

we think scum were probably trying to play around us or pocket us in the early day but we're not sure exactly where that leads

I actually uh, forgot about that but your comment reminded me

I think quite strongly that isis is SK, but I'm not sure if skitt agrees, but I think that explains her play from a "doesn't really make sense as scum, but also broadly inexplicable and p lazy if town" pov

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

the gamestate feels v flaccid, and I sort of agree that there's prob scum in the wagons being competed over which I think scum are maybe trying to stall out? I think possibly more than 1 scum (like is there any reason why 2 of S_S/Aaron/implo couldn't be partnered?) where scum feel that trying to hard shift the wagon gives too many associatives, and they're maybe counting on the "oh, I guess X was the scum in X, Y, Z, therefore Y and Z are town and we can look elsewhere" argument

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

oh, also N_M being scum makes a lot of sense in any world where 2/3 of the current wagons are scum

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I'm not really interested in SK hunting, but there's a 50/50 chance we have one and isis is the person who's play makes the least sense to me as coming from either main alignment. like if there was guaranteed no SK I would probably town bin it, but as it stands that just makes sense to me

I agree that finding and eliminating the SK is prob not priority, I also think there's a ~reasonable~ chance that SK would no-kill for a night or two

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

this all sounds generally cohesive with my worldview

pedit: @menalque

if we hit scum today, I think that if we have a vig they should actually not shoot N_M (make it harder for scum to predict where to bus drive for an extra kill if they have one) but just shoot their top SR or someone else who's generally a scummy null slot, and we use the fact that we didn't burn a miselim today to kill N_M tomorrow

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I am probably spiralling a little bit too far in my mind tho

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I wouldn't say I'm hunting for SK behaviour in the first place? the point is more -> looking for scum behaviour -> isis making very weird moves -> is isis scum? -> discuss with skitt in pt -> okay, isis prob not scum bc what would she be trying to achieve -> isis continues to just have bizarre takes that don't relate to the game as far as I see it -> this doesn't seem like town behaviour? but also she's not scum? what's going on? -> remember there's a possible 3rd party role that fits this not!scum not!town behaviour pattern

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

If there's a vig they should act at least a little unpredictably for sure. That doesn't necessarily mean just not-shooting N_M if they want to. Scum bus driver if it exists is 1-shot, so they could just holster in which case shooting suboptimally would be worse.

what's suboptimal about a vig shooting a nully-scum slot or just their top SR?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I don't really care enough to get into it but I think isis is a strong enough player to know that attention early is not necessarily a bad thing if it fades by the time serious wagons are going

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

SkitteR is probably the only active player rn that can accurately read me tbh.

what am I, chopped liver?!

[Bridgeburners]

-QB, obviously

[Bridgeburners]

Haha - it worked.

Also mena is pretty good at reading me.

some would say I have a 76.923% accuracy rate on reading you

Mena your take on SS vote?

my feelings, and I say this with every ounce of conviction that I can muster, are "meh"

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

probably +equity for one of implo/Aaron in the case that S_S is scum, as iirc he's resistant to bussing his buddies/distancing even when he reaaaaally should

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

although, saying that, I feel like S_S still has a net positive record against me from when he's been scum vs me as town, so maybe I should shut the hell up and let scum!him dig holes that are apparently not holes at all

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I am inclined to say I would also lim peta today

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I am inclined to say I would also lim peta today

-QB

this still because of scipio's early game or?

no, I would very much like peta to die for his entire approach since he's repped in, scipio's play is more or less immaterial to the read at this point

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

like if this was a high key or stressy game and not a lowkey and breezy one I would be generally yelling at/cajoling everyone into a peta lim for today

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

that

the general lack of anything from him since he arrived but the like very weak throwaway comments, and now using content from before he knew his alignment that looks solvey but then contrasts even harder with his lack of actual solving since arrival

the fact that he seems radically different from play I've seen from him elsewhere + experienced with him

the scum entrance also... not great tbh

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

oh, and also generalising from the last time I played with him where I think I correctly townread him from fairly early on even when there was a lot of generalised suspicion around his slot

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

oh word?

sorry bud, was happy to see u rep in but this doesn't look like ur towngame at all

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

iirc he's resistant to bussing his buddies/distancing even when he reaaaaally should

I'm not sure that's a totally fair characterization (though I know exactly why you're saying it). It's more just that I'm resistant to taking stances in general as scum.

I also feel like your whole approach here is more in line with what you do as scum, which is like pick at little niggles in arguments but sidestep the broader issue

and I feel like your answer to this will be along the lines of "ahh, yes, but see, I do that as town too so really it should be considered NAI for me" which just feels like more of the same tbh

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

it's like, you focus on a *technical* flaw with the argument in a minor sense while avoiding the thing that made it compelling in the first place (generalising from my experiences with you even if you don't play the same way in all games, which is a truism)

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

hate to copy mena, but "shrug".

lies

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

the fact that he seems radically different from play I've seen from him elsewhere + experienced with him

where did you see peta play previously?

I have played with peta and would prefer not to expand on the "where I've seen him play" bit at this time

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I also feel like your whole approach here is more in line with what you do as scum, which is like pick at little niggles in arguments but sidestep the broader issue

and I feel like your answer to this will be along the lines of "ahh, yes, but see, I do that as town too so really it should be considered NAI for me" which just feels like more of the same tbh

Actually, no, my initial response was "what broader issue am I sidestepping?"

(Why did you post that second line anyway? Why not wait for me to respond first?)

because I feel like that's an argument I've seen you give before in conversations similar to this one

and anyway, I think I addressed that (what you would be sidestepping) in my immediate follow up post

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

as such, my first move is to suggest you all help me bus my teammate, ben

VOTE: datwistid1

saying hi to him, but not to me? unforgivable

but peta, i said hi to you in the scum pt!!

oh shit, i misread, now who am i supposed to kill night 2

mr. smart is there a mechanical reason we should not kill you

UNVOTE:

just in case (look ma, i'm fishing for towncred)

isis u seem very salty this game

are you saying you want someone to sell you a bridge

@shirou "problems with his iso" -- u mean like, all of the above posts yeh? which is like 40% of his total posting or something

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

fwiw I don't think marathon play is that generalisable to longform play

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

moi? oui

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

some would say it's like rain on your wedding day

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

and anyway, I think I addressed that (what you would be sidestepping) in my immediate follow up post

Sure. Can you point to any specific examples of what you're talking about?

maybe if I can be bothered to go through our meta at some point but whether that happens before deadline is a big fat '?'

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

it's like, you focus on a *technical* flaw with the argument in a minor sense while avoiding the thing that made it compelling in the first place (generalising from my experiences with you even if you don't play the same way in all games, which is a truism)

-QB

@S_S, this

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

moi? oui

-QB

i feel like that is actually a town trait for me! in fact the last person who called me scum for ball-busting was scum

mais non! sacre bleu!

you think my case on SS being disingenuous about his comment towards NM's meta was on point in that case Mena?

I have no idea bc that would require me to have read your case about S_S being disingenuous about his comment towards NM's meta

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

who would be down for a CFD on peta?

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

it feels mixed

accurate from me

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I have no idea bc that

would require me to have read your case about S_S being disingenuous about his comment towards NM's meta

I like the energy of your posting but intelectually you/skitter are kinda underwhelming me to be fair

skitter is busy with IRL things and has been for a few days so we haven't spoken about it

I just am not caught up bc the thread did 16 pages on a day when I was comforting someone else irl on a really shitty day and haven't felt like sitting down to read them yet

we'll get to the point where we're intellectually whelming, but you're just gonna have to wait

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

UNVOTE:

E-2 is E-1 given that NM is in this game

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

and idk if skitt will be able to be around before eod1 but if she does end up being able to I'd like to give her a chance to have input before we finish

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

oh

VOTE: S_S

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

you stay so damn on brand Mena

Not really sure what this means but like I don’t think I’m being unreasonable given that you’ve been pushing a scum!us angle since the start of the game and since your original reasons were proven to be bad have just shifted your reasoning or completely failed to justify it

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

heya i'm around for a bit and catching up

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

i'm feeling a little detached from the game, and don't feel liek i have suepr great reads atm

a couple of 'important' reads that i feel p strongly on are that i think isis is town and that i don't want to flip ss today

[Bridgeburners]

Hmm yeah

intellectually speaking this has decent odds of being scum or at least shaking things a bit if my town leans are roughly right

VOTE: Bridges

I think I can read Mena better than skitter here so I do wonder what color of OMGUS they are gonna come up with tomorrow. I think that's what they do regardless of alignment.

The important part being the color.

hello

do u want to talk to me?
~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

yeah i'm working on that sorry

we can all be very proud that i at least didn't change whatever vote mena did last

i would also like to say that i explicitly do not townread peta

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

i actualy have no idea where i'm voting atm
(i'm guessing ss from that comment)

i'd prefer either over ss (and probably AFF over implo( i think but let me like actualy sync with mena + read the last 10 pages first

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

No screaming here, I’ve turned over a new leaf and I’m now one of the chill bros who’s limiting himself to making vaguely sarcastic and/or passive aggressive comments

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

VOTE: AFF

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

i actually just looked at the setup again and saw that it's possible for there to be a 2man scumteam, and i think that the current ~weirdness~ of the gamestate is quite possibly congruent with that

peta if you want to engage with me we can probably bypass the screaming match (i wasn't aware that that was really a thing tbh)

pedit hi mena
pedit2 ty

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

Hi skitt!

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I'm not committed to this, but it seems the best lead I have at present.

VOTE: PenguinPower

no i think he's townie

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

ty Ponglin

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

SkitteR is probably the only active player rn that can accurately read me tbh.

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

my lack of WIM actually directly correlates to me being town lmao

this is, uh, not a sentence that i would use to characterize your townplay

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

I mostly disagree with skitter's assessment that there's scum in the consensus TRs (shirou, peta, me, schiavetto, maybe penguin/isis?) I feel like there's at most 1 scum in there. I wonder who she thinks is the most likely to be scum in that group (or if she agrees with who I put in the group).

upon reconsidering why the gamestate is feeling weird i think a better explanation is that it's a 2man scumteam, more than this ^
something is weird and i was trying to figure out what it is

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

Names within tiers are not necessarily sorted, but this is an agreed shared readslist for our hydra as a whole:

Pingu - town

Schiav - town I guess?
Sechyd
Isis*

Infinity — sorta town I guess?

Dats - maybe town?
Implo
S_S

N_M - true null but easily can be scum

Peta - scum?
AFF

*if not SK

[Bridgeburners]

-QB and skitter

[Bridgeburners]

-QB and skitter

I'm actually not in your read list?

Oh, I fucked up there when I was making adjustments from the original one I posted in our pt to take into account skitt’s thoughts

You should be in the datisi tier

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I'm too tired to attempt solving mena/skitt at the moment to be truthful to you as well

At least from me this is mutual

I get like a vaguely town vibe I think (plus u being in notsci!slot is a decent point) but I can’t be bothered to try to figure out what is AI for you so far and whether whatever you’re doing is trying to help towards a scum or town wincon

I do think you toning down the posting quantity a bit would probably be good though

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

But are you actually town leaning me or are you just noping out of reading me until Day X if I'm still alive by there and this is a political stance?

Yes

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

if you want to talk about something go ahead, but i'm not sure i have any burning questions to ask you right now

ig i'm a little concerned by ur slot rn - i think in the three prior games i played with u i was able to get a p decent bead on town!you fairly fast but here i'm just not getting those vibes; you feel very underwhelming and like mechanical almost rn, and i don't really like your takes

i also want you to explain the WIM post a bit more, if you can

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

i'm reasonably confident ss is town and don't want to flip him today

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

I'm interested in your reasons for the vote though.

PP has felt more useless than he usually does, to the point where I was pretty surprised to see that he had 144 posts.

Very roughly, my impression of his towngame is that he makes snarky comments that are sometimes productive or good points, and as scum he fades into the background more. He's been present, but not really doing much that feels like it will advance the game, aside from voting/campaigning for votes which is pretty easy for scum to do.

i think you have this like half-right, in that he does tend to fade into the background more as scum.
but (and this is a big but), he doesn't do the voting/campaigning for votes really as scum (or at the very least, doesn't have his heart in it and it's very going-through-the-motions-y). the fact that he is now is very +town imo

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

he feels more confident and stubborn than he does as scum really
and more, like, ~into the game~ than i've seen him as scum

i'll try to articulate it better
~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

In a vacuum him voting is +town tbh

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

It’s p uncommon for him on D1 as either alignment

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

<3

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

i would like to say that if it weren't so close to eod i would probably be voting peta rn

~ skitteR

[Bridgeburners]

Peta ig my response to your response is hmmmmm. Like i dont have much to say on you going on abt the difference between town and scum you

There's a few different things i dont like abt your takes:
1. Your reads seem to be skewed towards scumreading people more than townreading people, which is odd because i feel like most people in this game dont have nearly as many scumreads as you do
2. Related: but i almost feel like you're trying to nudge peple towards either the ss or aff wagons, but like, without prejudice and not overtly? You write something like you'd vote ss 10/10 times, but also pull a bunch of aff posts, say you dont like them, and dont mind voting there. (You also pulled a bunchnof schiavetto's posts and similarly made a 1-liner abt how this is bad). This latter method doesnt really feel like solving to me, but rather that you're pulling a bunch of posts out that are easy to push, which feels like a scum mentality (especially given that you labeled such a method as scummy when talking abt how people might push penguin here, and i think scum are subconsciously hyper-attuned to the tactics theu're using as scum). And going back to ss/aaron, doesnt feel to me like you particularly care which goes (interestingly, i dont see you having a similarly cavalier attitude towards implo, which may point to partners)
3. For someone who's following along for several days before repping in, your posting is underwhelming. Ig i wouldnt mind underwhelming from a repin in a vaccum per se, but you were boasting abt following well before that, so where are the reads that i might expect that reading to produde?

~
also, how are you reading my alot btw?

Also: i liked theor response to shirou's rep-in, their confusion and pushback felt townie to me

~ skitteR

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1. ig this kinda ties into a what i was saying in one of the later points - you've done this thing a few times, where you just pull out a bunch of posts from somebody's iso, label them bad, and ig it feels to me like a lot of shade that isn't going anywhere (AFF, schiavetto, complaining abt votes on the implo wagon), and it feels discordant with the fact that so many other people are struggling to find townreads, and you're just, like, shading a lot of people. i'm not sure you're like explicitly going: i scumread players A, b, c, d, and e. that's kinda why i'm calling it more subtle, and why i kinda agree with you that you ahven't produced that many scumreads. however, despite few *explicit* scumreads, there's a lot of shade coming from your slot, which is sort of having the overall effect of like weakening other players' positions in the game by adding to a chorus of people stating scumreads/not-townreads on a particular player. the thing is that yours don't feel like you actually have those reads, but rather that you're contributing to the noise and confusion if that makes sense

2. (ig the above point bleeds into this one as well). and i have a few comments here: a) why are you townreading implo so strongly that the rest of your positioning this eod seems to revolve around him? b) this is kinda ignoring my point r.e. penguin, and casting people as scummy, in general c) i may have misread what you were saying r.e. voting ss, so ok sure i retract that point in particular. d) but you just, like, idk feel like you're trying to position yourself this eod more than i feel like you're trying to flip scum this eod, and i do feel like you're trying to justify votes and shade people and like idk it feels a little manipulative and slimy to me (in the sense that i think you may be scum trying to like make a good gamestate for your team and firm up your positioning by weakening that of many of the weaker-positioned players, not in the sense that i feel like you're playing underhandedly or in a way that i find distasteful, to be clear)

3. also this seems kinda incongruent to me: you were following along enough to know you want to be in this game and were tracking things for several days before repping in, but you have no real reads from that experience? that doesn't, like, fully 'gel' to me

4. you're talking to me like you're townreading me, and like you want me to not be scumreading you
5. what didn't you like from sechyd in the shirou rep-in? right around there is where townreading them sort of 'clicked' for me

~ skitteR

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i agree that this day needs to end
i would just like to say that i'm not aprticularly confident that aff is gonna flip scum; and if it weren't for deadline and this day dragging i would be pushing peta rn, and i would like that to be kept in mind tomorrow in case we die plz
(not sure how likely that is but i'm hoping that in case that does happen me saying this will be remembered tom just in case)

actually i will UNVOTE: as we're at nm-quickhammer territory and we should do this properly and get a claim first, but my vote is on in spirit otherwise, and will probably put it back on afterwards

so like aaron consider my vote on you for claiming purposes please

~ skitter

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i'm not sure there is one, beyond feeling like 'underwhelmed', which is why i'm not super confident he's gonna flip scum

~ skitteR

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i'm feeling increasingly like this is gonna end with a misflip :/

~ skitteR

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ig i feel marginally better abt voting implo, but not really :/

~ skitter

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peta am i understanding this right:
- you're staying off of implo because while you're not solidly townreading him you don't like his wagon
- you're voting for aff for essentially being underwhelming?

like it doesn't 100% make sense to me that you're basically avoiding implo because you disagree with the wagon while voting aff for fairly weak reasons / piggy-backing off of dats post as he's being wagoned for kinda meh reasons ....

~ skitteR

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also before i forget - peta's posting on this page is kinda anti-partner-y with dats and sechyd

~ skitteR

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sigh, last page to clarify

why is he town isis?

~ skitteR

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I don't want to talk too much but last two things I want to note are:

1) I'll be trying to use a Katsuki-style in this game after I'm done reading it. Optimally I want to only spend a few minutes each couple of days here, until I feel there's content enough for me to read, or even re:read the whole game and come to a solve. I'm not going to be using capslock

or claiming masons

though, I mean Katsuki-style because I want to learn to lurk more, and scream less. This game is an attempt of me trying to play mafia and be productive elsewhere at the same time.


2) My first thought in the few pages/ posts I did read was that regardless of his actual alignment, Ben would be wagoned, so it's a bit funny to me that he's the top wagon now that I'm replacing-in. For what it's worth, I don't think this fact is related to his alignment at all, it's just easy to see what the common suspects in a game are gonna be, regardless of their actual alignment.

soooo in your first post of content you

-establish you will basicly not be playing this game outside of a couple minutes

every couple of days

-admit to be actively lurking this game, before you even caught up (why did you rep in then? is that even a question i'm allowed to ask?)
-discredit the ben wagon before supposedly not being caught up, while solidly fence-sitting the wagon itself

yeah i'm not exactly impressed by your opening

-seCret

also peta i liked the tone of htis post actually
i can see your critiques but i'm not sure they're *scum-indicative* if that makes sense

~ skitteR

pedit you're basically voting aff for being underhwelming and not townie enuf, no? was there another part of it that i'm missing?

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preflips are Very Bad >:(

~ skitteR

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i'm sure you could, like, case better if you wanted to (or if i, like, demanded it) as either alignment, so i'm not sure going through the motions of actually writing the case is going to prove much tbh

but like again the current stated reasons in thread basically boil down too: being wishy-washy, not townie enuf, some amt of iioa, piggy-backing off of dats's criticism and it's just, like, very lazy and feels like a sort of read scum might make to hasten a looming misflip on that one townie that is just posting badly. and it doesn't 100% gel with the way you're playing around implo who's functionally getting run up in a very similar manner

like sure you *can* write up a scumcase on aff using the reasoning you're giving but i'm not sure they actually make him scum?

(and i'm sure you can do the dats post thing you did on the previous page as scum! in fact i think that's a minor scumtell - not just for you, but like in general!)

~ skitteR

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also what do u think of my 2man scumteam theory?

~ skitteR

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well the reasons aren't the same per se but functionally how the wagons are playing out in the gamestate are kinda similar

~ skitteR

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sorry peta :/

VOTE: peta
i'm not sure this is gonna, like, get traction here but i think this is a better use of my vote than not-voting aff

~ skitteR

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Scipio read as pretty towny to me.

maybe i'm tunneled? i don't think i am? peta's reading kinda scummy to me in this interaction tbh.
i did kinda like scipio tbf

skitter you will have to NK me you won't be able to play around me

i will bear that in mind!

~ skitteR

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that's ok! this is the vote i've felt the best abt all game tho, so i think i'm going to keep it for now

~ skitteR

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ok we can still do the bit tho

i say: about what
cue penguin:

~ skitteR
(i'm kinda assuming you were talking abt my peta read)

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Oh ita like 100% a vanity vote until aff comes back, i thought i made that fairly obvious.

I actually do like some of the posts u pulled out tbf. But i also kinda hate peta's eod so here we are, in this purgatory waiting for the leading wagon to claim

~ skitteR

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yo im town dont elim me pls

ive been waiting like 3 months to play with isis again

-QB

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*


*cause a broom *skitters* across the floor, right?

-QB

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-QB

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-QB

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*

*the broom is waving, i.e. skitter says hi

-QB

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did you manually edit that gif

-QB

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^at implo, but i guess it works for both

-QB

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UNVOTE:

-QB

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Pooky! Hello!!!

Technically you did just misflip me >:(

Also i think this entry is +scummy

Also i wanted to say that i disliked ico's flury of posts from last night
(Technically the head doing an inpression of ico .... i'm using the above as shorthand ^)
Dats i think i saw u mention u thought it was townie, can you say why?

~ skitteR

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Also i still really dont want to flip ss

Also maybe ask sircakez for like an extra 24 hours? I wouldnt be opposed

~ skitteR

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thats not fair skitts and you knows it

I know <3
Hence technically

Also technically i'm not sure its accurate to say i want to 'kill peta atm', i def sr him but i'm not sure that'a where my vote will be ending up to end the day

~ skitteR

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Sooooo immediately posting here upon repin is +town

But u feel super similar to tenet when u flipped timelines. That is -town

Pedit from my convo with him ~8 pages back. I can elaborate when i'm at a pc a little later

~ skitteR

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nah in tenet i had a plan

i have no plan here :3

You have a similar vibe tho
And you're kinda like blatantly survivalistic
(Which tbf may not be super ai)

~ skitteR

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probably the simplest way to resolve pooky is to outsource the read to isis tbh

pooky i disliked peta's reasons for being on your (aff's) wagon, and for avoiding the implo wagon, and i feel like he's subtly shading a lot of people and being like a manipulative scumz

~ skitteR

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oh gosh adn apparently the simplest way for ss to resolve ponglin is to outsource the read to me

~ skitteR

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because ...

~ skitteR

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ok
that feels like a 'shade my biggest cw who incidentally voted for my slot' post

~ skitteR

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i kinda think u would tbh
but that's not particularly why i'm scumreading u

~ skitteR

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a) that was directed at peta, not you lol

b) that's my line! but ok what do you think you're right about here?

~ skitteR

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fair enuf!

i'm still not loving your entrance tho

despite this i was telling mena earlier that i think the stalled cws on aff + implo kinda loosely point to them being tvt - scum have no motivation to switch or force either wagon in particular through, and are fairly content to passively watch either play out

i think this explains the sluggishness of the past few irl days

this is wholly a gamestate read, i still dislike ur slot on play to be clear

~ skitteR

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mena said that too but like ... idk. don't see them being partnered really, doesn't super feel right to me
and there isn't really a flash attempt happening that i see (or really much wagon movement at all other than, like, myself and i'm obviously not arguing that i'm scum)

~ skitteR

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i'm talking abt the aff and implo wagons tho?

also i stole ur pagetop!

~ skitteR

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what part don't u understand?

we've been stagnating on aff/implo for at least 2-3 irl days now, if not longer

~ skitteR

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ok but if he were scum i imagine that scum would be trying to divert the wagon off despite that, no?

~ skitteR

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ig that's fair. they didn't feel as stagnating-y to me tho

(which i'm aware is not like a useful piece of data for like anyone else, but eh)

~ skitteR

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you never like my entrances unless I'm scum tho :3

i'm also not sure this is true lol

~ skitteR

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ok but if he were scum i imagine that scum would be trying to divert the wagon off despite that, no?

~ skitteR

possibly by...trying to push a wagon on implosion? or maybe they don't want to cause a ruckus. i don't know. people don't often act in a deliberate, overt way, else the game would be easy. this is dumb.

but who's trying to push a wagon on implosion? nobody really except maybe like sechyd. there isn't really momentum towards him, that's kinda my point. unless ss and now aff/pooky are *his* cw's

i'm also not sure i like how you're framing this? scum don't need to be acting in a 'deliberate overt way' to be like 'i don't really want my partner run up let me try to do something else!!!!'

like the way you're characterizing it is kinda at odds with how scum kinda tend to react in that sort of situation

~ skitteR

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well there's the people pushing on implosion

i still like my peta vote tbh
at eod when that inevitably fails to be a thing i'll probably switch back to pooky (sorry!!!!)

~ skitteR

ugh sorry

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so much gloating indeed!
if you're scum do i get to gloat this time?

~ skitteR

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eh i think that point is fine, he literally joined the game like six hours ago
i think all the greens could be green, yes

~ skitteR

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uhhhhhhhhhh i'm getting major tenet vibes rn ....

like, you know, that time you just entered a game and rammed through a wagon on someone ....

i'm gonna see if i can count up the votes on u
~ skitteR

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ok he's at 4 since infinity unvoted.
i'm gonna double check with mena in an attempt to Minimize Hydra Dissonance (tm) but will prob switch to pooky

pedit i literally have seen scum-pooky do exactly the sort of thing he's doing here, being hyper and aggresive out of the gate (tbf there i don't think he was actually the leading wagon but very easily could have been in that shitty gamestate). like he's doing the same thing again in exactly the same way.

pedit2 ok but here you're acting like you need to ram something through before town decides to do something silly like flip scum-pooky

~ skitteR

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um i had like 1 vote on me in tenet lol

ok but that's not my point and you know it

implo i can vibe with ur current mood

~ skitteR

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pooky do u actually, like, have a scumread on implo or ... ?

also do u have a read on me?

pedit true but that also does not mitigate my point

~ skitteR

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I'm fine with going for Aaron if it has the votes. Also petapan's 1712 is a very good post.

Unvote

VOTE: Aaron

this feels like a scum post

is there anything more to the implo read than this?

i need to bounce so please y'all don't do something silly like let pooky force through an implo wagon

~ skitteR

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VOTE: pooky

-QB and skitter

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N_M actually raises a good point. Why did you NM-1 before the claim @bridges?

Because it tickled my jollies

-QB

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I would think someone actually looking up scip meta would be reading both isos and comparing them to scip iso this game - rather he just says scip is inexperienced and unlikely to be able to make such plays as mafia - which is silly considering the only completed game scip has on site as mafia he won as sole survivor at the end - implying he does have the chops to go the distance.

i think this from implo is a fairly reasonable read/conclusion tho

~ skitteR

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ok skimming it again, i'm just feeling... a sense of genuineness i didn't feel last game. like idek how to describe it anymore. the annoyance over his scumread and the fact he never got the chance to actually engage with ben just ring true. and the threat of self-voting after supposedly being called out as faking is also p town!indicative, i'm p sure scum!ico just blindly continues to tunnel that

what do you dislike about them? also has mena weighed in on this read?

ig i'm not really seeing the sense of genuineness that you're seeing? ico's been feeling like a little fake and overdramatic (?) almost in his rhetoric ... like he kinda mimicked a rhetorical thing that i did and copied it a few pages later and it felt like he was dramatizing the point for rhetorical effect more than he actually believed it, if that makes sense

i didn't like his focus on going back to implo/ss over aff either

~ skitteR

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N_M actually raises a good point. Why did you NM-1 before the claim @bridges?

i told mena before i went to bed last night that i was ok with voting him (would have been nm-2) and ig he just voted when he saw that but didn't check if the vc had changed in between

i can't give a *why* for why he did that but that's what happened i'm assuming

~ skitteR

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pooky i hope i am not misflipping u here, i would be sad if i did :/
but u feel very survivalistic and like very interested in shifting your wagon to any ye old wagon that you think might get more votes than you in the timeframe available

i can see *how* that might come from town but i associate such blatant survivalism with scum + it makes me feel like your current reads (ico, implo, ico/implo as a team) are not really real but rather expedient in that you think you might be able to get viable wagons on them

and that is why i scumread you

~ skitteR

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the ico read came after me and a couple of other slots expressed suspicion tho

~ skitteR

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i'll be perfectly honest here

I am quite disappointed that mena, skitter, peta, isis are all simultaneously mis-reading my alignment here, while someone like NM is correctly TRing me.

skitter/mena/peta I can chalk up to having been snowed in Tenet.

Isis not so much.

As Nancy would say. I am bleedingly obvious town here.

i mean what am i missing ?
~ skitteR

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VOTE: pooky

oh it's hammer already
i'm not good with the ate :/

~ skitteR

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it's like ate to me :/
if you flip town i will take your reads into acct

i can't really tell if any of this is real tho, i'm sorry

~ skitteR

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Can we get a thread lock

-QB

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Can we all just stop until cakez gets here to lock because honestly the last couple of pages have been deeply unpleasant reading

-QB

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I know that it’s probably somewhat rich coming from me but I think it may actually be even more unpleasant spectating this sort of thing than being party to it

-QB

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I still like y’all

Thanks, peta

-QB

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Okay, well, I’m going and not coming back until D2 and I would strongly encourage everyone else to do the same

-QB

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flip skitter - she is faking this scumread.

i don't have super much to add/say to this during this twilight

~ skitteR

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good shot (here's for hoping it's a vig tho, but my gut is saying no)

VOTE: peta

offhand i think the flip is somewhat +town for sechyd and i'll need to look at shirou to see if anything else jumps out. i think that peta actually had an icky interaction saying that sechyd's pushback on shirou when he first repped in was bad when i thought it was p good. (i'm like p sure it was peta who said that, at least)

~ skitteR

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huh i actually remember liking notsci

~ skitteR

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i think (?) notscience's iso is +town for schiavetto

also ss result?

~ skitteR

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do go on

~ skitteR

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5. the specific attacks he was making didn't sit right with me. like 1140 feels like it's trying to put everything about that post in the worst possible light - shirou says he's going to try to restrain his activity and gets attacked for this, somehow he is attacked for actively lurking the game before replacing in (which makes no sense), and shirou makes an offhanded comment about expecting ben to be a person who gets wagoned, and this gets called "discrediting the ben wagon while fence-sitting it", when really it is neither

ya know that take given this is not super great

~ skitteR

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ok i really hope if there's a jk they didn't block you so assumiing ss is town and telling the truth we have:

tracker

goon
joat

vig or sk

---

joat + sk is exactly TTT or T

these are my notes to self i'm not saying this is the setup or anything

~ skitteR

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do go on

~ skitteR

you found ways to keep calling me scum yesterday while also moving toward voting my scumreads (secret wasn't really a full scumread but did suspect them) and it didn't feel intellectually honest

literally in the argument where i called you scum i had the take you're having right now ....

like coming to the conclusion of me-scum + sechyd town off of shirou flip is very discordant and doesn't make sense to me as a coherent worldview

i also don't understand what you mean by 'moving towards voting your scumreads' . can you like give an example

~ skitteR

also p.s. mena is busy irl so it might be mostly me for the next bit, i forgot to say that

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oh actually good point nm
although i'm not sure you're scum's nk in that gamestate

~ skitteR

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ss u wanna guess what paranoid thought just entered my head ? :/

~ skitteR

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given how the eod timecrunch + pooky's ate happened i don't think its entirely reasonable of you to ding me for voting pooky in that context

i can also dislike part of sechyd's posting while thinking they came off significantly better in their argument against shirou at the same time. i'm not sure why you think i can't feel both ways.

i also don't understand why all of these things are leading you to scumread me, or why you think i wouldn't have these positions as town.

~ skitteR

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bcause even if aaron is town this is a v real scumcase

And petapan looks so bad here if this flips town if peta is scum

isis does this read still hold?

~ skitteR

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if there's a jk ig i agree with that last post but i think you being jk'd last night is kinda unlikely to begin with

~ skitteR

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i don't think you're the scum nk in most universes
and i don't think you're a potential jk target in most universes (you're literally the one investigative we likely have, the jk would be blocking the result and you're not that likely to die anyways)

and i think the universe where you're the scum nk *and* the jk chooses to target you is p significantly unlikely

i haven't thought through yet the implications of the a potential bus driver and how that might impact this analysis tho

also sorry what are the three possibilities: jk, rb via joat, and ?

~ skitteR

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i just think that if you actually cared about sorting people you're not going to fos both me and my scumreads at the same time, like if you were actually coming around to fosing the same people as me i would expect you to reconsider me but that doesn't happen and then i start to feel like you're keeping your options open

it was day1 and i don't have a problem fos'ing both a slot and their scumreads at the same time preflip, esp. given that the pooky scumread developed later after the slot got replaced; it wasn't like i was sititng there, while actively pushing and scumreading you, actively pushing and scumreaing aaron at the same time.

the change in slot changed the context, and yes i scumread pooky later but i don't think this contradicts anything or connotes intellectual dishonesty, and i think it's scummy of you to be pushign me for this

~

i was saying that i think ss's explanation for what happened last night is incredibly unlikely

that does not mean that i want to flip him today because of that tho, but i am paranoid that he's like scum engineering this given c9++ etc

~ skitteR

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Oh the JK. I can read.

What do you think of my theory that Shirou planned to hard push me?

uh i don't really have any thoughts on it, sorry

like i could see it being a thing, i could see it not being a thing, like i don't have strong feelings either way

~

okay well cool my mood is fuck you, i'm town, i don't care to argue with you over this anymore, 1v1 me

sounds good

~ skitteR

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bcause even if aaron is town this is a v real scumcase

And petapan looks so bad here if this flips town if peta is scum

isis does this read still hold?

~ skitteR

yes this is true

i haven't found anything about peta scummy this game. I don't even have a little bit of kindling for being paranoid of his skill at mafia

i don't really get it. you agree with me that his push on aaron was bad, no?

~ skitteR