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GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 4:24 pm

In post 1072, JohnnyFarrar wrote:post 156 those first 3 quotes. Does one stand out?

Lol I quoted the wrong one. I actually meant to quote this. I meant to quote the two mech discussion quotes. As you can see I quoted the other one and must have wall quoted the wrong one by accident.

Post 129is the one I meant to quote.

Why do you think I would do this as scum. This is NAI. I am actually laughing if you are thinking I quoted that on purpose.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 4:36 pm

In post 1077, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I think you weren’t actually reading it, which is scum indicative for try hard newbies

NAI. That isn't what was happening. I was focused on what I was saying... because I already knew (in my perspective that I had read the Mech talk convo. And I remember it being that + one big post.

Why do you think I correctly got the first quote quoted.

Was it because I didn't read? I obviously read. Did you even read what I said in there? Because in the red, it obviously gave remarks on what Bingle said and Drap's interactions with them.

Also you are planning to respond to what I said to you right?

Since you scum read me, I still would like to understand. If you are town, it shouldn't take you time (since you will be able to come from a town mindset and drop down your thoughts) but I know we all have lives. Use that excuse as either scum/town and you would be fine. Just let me know if you are planning on to respond.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 4:37 pm

In post 1079, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1077, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I think you weren’t actually reading it, which is scum indicative for try hard newbies

NAI. That isn't what was happening. I was focused on what I was saying... because I already knew (in my perspective that I had read the Mech talk convo. And I remember it being that + one big post.

Why do you think I correctly got the first quote quoted.

Was it because I didn't read? I obviously read. Did you even read what I said in there? Because in the red, it obviously gave remarks on what Bingle said and Drap's interactions with them.

Also you are planning to respond to what I said to you right?

Since you scum read me, I still would like to understand. If you are town, it shouldn't take you time (since you will be able to come from a town mindset and drop down your thoughts) but I know we all have lives. Use that excuse as either scum/town and you would be fine. Just let me know if you are planning on to respond.

Also you use this quote to signify I was only talking to Bingle. Tell me how again!

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 4:41 pm

In post 1074, Bingle wrote:Oh, lol, I'd forgotten I made that post.

Also, which games of mine did you read, GPa?

I read open 797 - I examined you and Johnny's interactions in this game. (This was recent; read this to ISO Johnny. But examined you as well)

Micro 914 - How you were able to handle pressure / wagon on you on day 1 as town.

One mini game I had forgotten - But this is where you played on a replacement and I saw how willing you were to contribute as town as a replacement

Mini Normal 2122 - Another replaced town scenario~ This is the game where I see some like resemblance in this.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 5:15 pm

In post 1083, JohnnyFarrar wrote:It’s hard to separate the AI from the esoteric with these big posts.

You say you meant to quote a different post 50 posts away from the one you ended up posting, I don’t believe you.

Lol, and I made that post 50 + more posts till I replied to that. What are you on about?

FTR I don’t care about the rest of that post, the bungle stuff is what stood out.

Again, you made look bad like I was ONLY just talking about him which in this case that is debunked. I showed you proof that I wasn't. You say you don't care... then why make a scumcase using that only? Just to try and manipulate so it can fit your standards? What...?

You say you don’t understand how actively calling flipped scum town all the way up to their lim is scummy, I don’t believe you.

No I don't understand, and I gave reasoning on why. You seem to ignore this as well. Like I said, please read my other games to get an understanding of how I play as town. You keep saying "I don't believe you" ... how would you know if you don't know my playstyle lol.

You are either scum or aggressively wrong,

Ig I was aggressively wrong. Why would I as scum defend that hard. It being the only person who defended that hard knowing the pressure will be on me. And I even pointed it out that it was okay to scum read me this day because I defended Drap.

and defending yourself by clogging up the thread with 1000 words a post isn’t helping the game.

What? What a bullshit excuse not to read my stuff. I am literally replying to you to get to you to understand my perspective and my way of point of view. What quote is this? You are letting your emotional intelligence get to you now.

Also I called dann town because I knew he was from the start of my read. Just like I knew drap was scum. Or did you miss this

Did you not read that question? I said why DID you think he was town. He wasn't confirmed town before the flip. He was confirmed after the flip. And you said you were up to page 15 or something... Day 1 wasn't over yet I believe. So I was assuming you were reading them before the flip.

In post 1003, JohnnyFarrar wrote:ProfessorDrapion - scum.
As for Luke I’ll concede the read is weak

... If you have a narrative, then push it. Don't be afraid. You agree with me that your logic is weak. Great.

Honestly this reaction has actually really disappointed me. This could just be scum just trying to come up with any excuse to scumread me and try to pivot the BW on them to a town person. Just trying to manipulate my words, use the "I don't believe you" claim (which in itself is a weak stance), and to keep making excuses to not read my posts.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 5:16 pm

In post 1082, Bingle wrote:That's... an interesting spread. Any particular reason behind the choices? Did you read any scum games?

Lol you answered the question in your first statement. It was to get a grasp on how you act in different modes, as well as roles. One of those games, you were a vengeful neighbor as well as a VT (mason I believe) in another. And I have I think. I just need to remember it.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 5:28 pm

In post 1085, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1082, Bingle wrote:That's... an interesting spread. Any particular reason behind the choices? Did you read any scum games?
Lol you answered the question in your first statement. It was to get a grasp on how you act in different modes, as well as roles. One of those games, you were a vengeful neighbor as well as a VT (mason I believe) in another. And I have I think. I just need to remember it.

Ok! I rememebr now it was Role Call I:

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=80220

That game scared me.

Just look at at post #3234....

This gives me more opinionated views. However I do think that your Mini Normal 2122 I think resembles more there than your scum game in Rolecall I.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 5:31 pm

In post 1086, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1085, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1082, Bingle wrote:That's... an interesting spread. Any particular reason behind the choices? Did you read any scum games?
Lol you answered the question in your first statement. It was to get a grasp on how you act in different modes, as well as roles. One of those games, you were a vengeful neighbor as well as a VT (mason I believe) in another. And I have I think. I just need to remember it.
Ok! I rememebr now it was Role Call I:

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=80220

That game scared me.

Just look at at post #3234....

This gives me more opinionated views. However I do think that your Mini Normal 2122 I think resembles more there than your scum game in Rolecall I.

This is in another format with other expierenced folks including A50.

I also read up on A50 as well.

I will probably need to check other scum games as well if you want just in case there could be bias.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 6:16 pm

In post 1089, Bingle wrote:GPa, Role call is a hallmark game to point to effort being NAI (or maybe even scummy) for me and you townread me for it anyway. Thoughts?

Did you not see what I said?

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 6:18 pm

In post 1088, Lukewarm wrote:I am reaching the point where I think I am going to have to just skim over Grandpa's posts. They are so long. They are so red. They are so confusing.

Spoiler:
and they are so adamant that they won't chance any of those things even if people ask nicely

Grandpa, I am going to leave you with a town lock read unless one of my other Town reads starts making a case against you.

I don't want to be rude, or mean or anything. But like, I am on this site to have fun, and trying to parse through all of your super long/dense posts just... is not fun

Are you serious? You as well? They aren't even that dense. I have literally simplified it to the best of my ability as I know I can talk a lot from a town mindset. But if you look at my responses, they are adequate to what Johnny says... even bringing out the manipulative manner he has been so far and I am not liking it at all.

You make big dense posts as well. I don't complain though, because my job as town is to read and give thoughts.

If there is anything that is confusing please point them out and I will explain it to the best of my ability.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 6:20 pm

In post 1091, Bingle wrote:Yeah, I saw that you think I match my other game more. But the reasoning you gave for TR-ing me early D1 was that I was efforting, and I told you that was a bad reason to TR me.

"This is in another format with other expierenced folks including A50.

I also read up on A50 as well.

I will probably need to check other scum games as well if you want just in case there could be bias."

I said this was in another format and it could have bias due to that nature of that format hence why I said I will probably need to check your other scum games.

I gave input regarding your towniness of your approach in Mini Normal 2122 not RoleCall.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 6:26 pm

In post 1094, Bingle wrote:
In post 195, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 185, Bingle wrote:
Exactly wrong. Scum loves to hide in mechspeak.

Eh this early? I doubt that. I still townread you. You wouldn't be risking that as scum.

Oh you are talking about this. Sorry I thought you were talking about the games specifically.

I see now.

I guess it could be a bad reason. However, the problem is that you came in as a replacement I think in rolecall and that you gave effort towards the end.

Bringing mechspeak discussion on how I see it is more like "hey I think this is what we should do as town etc." more of discussion? and not like supplifying a case (including logic + reasoning) like you did in role call if that makes sense.

The quote you had was more of not that but more of discussion like I said. I still do townread you sorta for that; it is NAI and weak logic but my townread on you Day 1 grew stronger towards mid day with specific quotes and posts that I pointed out.

Honestly, I don't know where to put you right now especially with Pine's replacement coming at right now. I am still evaluating some things. However I do still have you a null to town lean for you as well following my approach I made.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 11:08 pm

In post 1096, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Reply to gpa and this'll be the last one because now I'm an accessory to the thread clogging

Again more excuses to not read.

1. I don't know how to make it more clear

I provided you with a reasoning that contradicts your statement. It's clear enough.

2. I never said "look at this post where they ONLY go after Bingle", you're putting words in my mouth

No. You are now flipping the narrative. If you look at what you said about me you say.

GrandpaMo - never seen. Aggressively skims Bingle which seems like a scum move. Also they're just hard to follow, logically. Not partners with Luke.
You use this post (the post where I am talking about everyone) to blanetly manipulate the situation into thinking oh I was just only talking about Bingle and how that was scummy. You used that whole narrative until now where you say "you're putting words in my mouth." I have been saying this for a while now and you never replied till now.

3. You can give me reasons til your face is blue, they're not believable.

Again, you haven't explained why nor have answered any questions but decided to ignore/deflect. I gave you advice onto read my playstyle so you can make your own judgement so you can get YOUR unbiased input and not personal reasons. Refer to A50's post 176 where they give an example of meta to make understand Pooky's playstyle / interaction with themselves.

4. "Why would I, as scum, defend the fucker that lets us talk during the day?" is a silly question

If you read what I had said, you would know I didn't even pay attention to the PRs at all. I never even knew this was a option for scum day chat and I thought it was clear enough... If you read the full context, it's more like "Why would I, as scum, defend someone who was already getting bandwagoned by everything and not take that advantage to bus? especially considering there if i was scum, then my partner would have to be either someone that was bussing or not; either you, mena, dann, and a50 + all the bussers. If I was scum then the most likely situation would that I would have been defending and the other person would be bussing... which wouldn't make sense for me. If I was scum there then I would push to vote not defend especially considering that would be the less risky option for scum to do. I outlined this in my approach analytical post.

5. I've been reading your posts though??? You're just not liking the conclusions I draw

You haven't. This is the first time you formally reply to me LOL. And honestly if you read what I actually had said, you would know I asked you some questions but you never answered them. Not liking the conclusion I draw? Really? I even complimented you and I even thought you were town at first then I gave a plausible scenario that you are probably scum reading me because you know I am the towniest person. And so in regards of Mena (which you left of to day 2 either because you are their partner and don't want to bus day or you don't want to get called out by town for easy BW.), or prehaps T3 (who is possibly your scum partner hence why you aren't bussing here as well as town calling you out for possible scum BW), you choose me. I explained this. This is how I know you aren't reading. You even admitted that to yourself. So stop changing narratives please.

6. Bruh I knew he was town because he died and flipped and the mod confirmed it. Before I even joined the game.

Never mind, because you obviously don't understand my question lol. It is so obvious what I am asking but you are just deflecting because you can't come from a town mindset to actually answer this shit and find ways where you could have townread them.

Imagine a hypothetical situation where you weren't replaced. Now tell me would you have scumread or townread Dann.

Anyone who is smart nd reading this should know why exactly I am asking this.

7. My narrative, in simple logic, is that you're scum and you're a newbie that tries hard. Those two things together explain your defense of the encryptor. Those two things together explain quoting some Bingle bullshit before reading it to try to look engaged. And those two things together explain your continued desire to belabor every point anyone has against you til they give up. If you wanna call it weak, so be it. If you have a better explanation, state it and let the people judge. But what you've posted so far? I've read it and I don't believe it. And if my own personal judgement is "weak" to you, then I'm not sure what game you think we're playing

Surface level logic as A50 would say lol. Again you are referring to bingle BS, PLS IF YOU ACTUALLY READ YOU WOULD KNOW THAT ISN'T THE ONLY THING. You are just proving my point even more on how you are using that one bit out of that whole entire post to take my words out of context and try to manipulate in a way where I am scum. "If you wanna call it weak, so be it. If you have a better explanation, state it and let the people judge." What a hypocrite. I gave you multiple reads, reasonings, and logic and counter rebuttal to what you said. I even thought you were town at first. You are the one who haven't gave any of that till now in which you still don't provide any explanations for. You keep calling my posts a clutter or just keep using negative insult to injury on my playstyle because you know you aren't reading any of the logic and explanations I have gave you.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 14, 2021 11:23 pm

In post 1097, Not_Mafia wrote:Johnny's catch-up was terrible and 1002 is a scumpost

Eliminate swiftly and with prejudice

just saw this... im glad you agree wit me.

honestly, hopefully im not wrong again but there is no way this fucking flips town.

im tryna think of a way where this flips town and its hard because there hasnt been ANY interactions other then me? pooky?, Bingle, Luke, and maybe NM?

Like I can put this in this hypothetical situation... and pine flips scum. Who is their scum partner? It's very highly unlikely to bus here now I think. I want to say T3 but T3 is no where to be seen.

Speaking of that. @T3 can give your stance on Johny?

Would mafia bus twice in a row? There will be some heavy analysis if this flips scum.

However, if this flips town... I think it narrows the PoE better to maybe T3 (it gives T3 a better chance that they are town), Mena, and maybe NM / Pooky? (one of those). I probably will need to review again and see whats up.

@Bingle Also No I am not finished reading your other scum games. So I don't have an opinion on you right now.

I think this is manipulative scum tho. I addressed my reasons through out posts they haven't even read.

pedit: I will trust me and you.

VOTE: Johnny

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:48 am

In post 1139, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Oh I gave up a minute ago but i'm hoping whoever among the animals is NOT scum will see the light

is this a scum claim...?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:49 am

In post 1134, T3 wrote:Really not liking the replacement. VOTE: Johnny
If this is town the VFP is scum.

In post 1142, VFP wrote:I think I want T3 eliminated tomorrow regardless of the flip.

I'm guessing Johnny isn't claiming a Mason or ir macho at least very least.

I think this is worrisome.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:51 am

In post 1161, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:but real talk your theory about me and grandpa being scum together does kind of fit with me bussing my encryptor out of the game

because imagine if I had to share day talk with gramps I would literally gouge my eyes out.

Me and you being alligned as scum? Holy shit.

I want to play scum with you so baddddd wtf. You really think I will be playing the same as scum

I will most likely either be tryhard as Johnny says but Idk, I think perosnally I will be more of the lazy type.
But idk, never been scum

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:52 am

In post 1164, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1139, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Oh I gave up a minute ago but i'm hoping whoever among the animals is NOT scum will see the light
is this a scum claim...?
It is not. We just communicate differently, huh?

"Communicate differently"

You just ignore/deflect my posts differently, huh?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:52 am

In post 1151, JohnnyFarrar wrote:What's the pagetop counter? I'm feeling sexy?

i think i have most lol

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:54 am

In post 1141, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Nah Ima make everybody give their shifty reasons for killing me so you can all pretend it didn't happen come tomorrow

Regardless of your flip. I think you are flipping scum

And I gave pretty good reasons.

If this flips town, then you were just shitty town that didn't try enough especially when you were already in a bad spot.

But that chance is only like what 5%?

Only some claim of you claiming Lovers with someone such as Mena ... which would be a weird plot twist then you are scum.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 6:06 am

In post 1169, JohnnyFarrar wrote:You could make your avi a chihuahua and join the animal squad

I don't particularly regret any play I've made so far. If you legitimately think I've made some mistake I'd love to hear it post game. I'll have notes for you if you're town

Notes? What? Are you gonna coach me on how to play the game? On my OWN playstyle? xD

Please-

You come into the game with low effort thinking I am a tryhard newb. When you don't read upon my questions, deflect, become hypocritical, and cause yourself to be confused on what I say. You should see people like this... you have been playing since 2012, if not with an alt, you should have seen many playstyles from both town and scum and I know it is hard to remember some of them. But once you conclude on a playstyle read instead of reading past games and knowing their personally playstyle, then a type of psychological tendency including confirmation bias increases your chances to scumread me. You didn't scum read A50 that much because you knew their playstyle etc--

I gave you specific advice onto read my older games to see how I play as town because that would give you input on what I could be if I was town in YOUR eyes.

I even referred you to post 176 on how A50 was able to use that same meta analysis to read upon pooky's playstyle.

I think you are playing more of a newb than me this game lol and I had high expectations for you unfort, you didn't meet those standards and now I can see that town sees the same thing as well. So if you are going to call me out, call the whole town out.

It's okay bud, just concede at this point.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 6:14 am

In post 1171, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Post-game baby. That way others (and you, probably) can ignore me

The problem is... I don't want to ignore you.

This is the problem with how you play; you just always find reasons never to respond and that's why you are probably scum in many of town's eyes including my eyes.

Because if you are scum, you are most likely just to ignore since you have no reason to talk anymore and you don't want to get away TMI. Unless you are known for having a specific playstyle to keep talking just to throw off town etc with wifom. But you have not shown any of that so far.

If you are town, you are most likely to give more thought out reasoning and more constructed legacy reads- And this is coming from experience on HERE. I have seen this done 100% of the time as town (sampling bias though.)

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 7:45 am

In post 1173, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1134, T3 wrote:Really not liking the replacement. VOTE: Johnny
If this is town the VFP is scum.
Okay, so I am gonna be busy for a lot of today, but will be back for a closer look this evening. Just doing a quick skim during my break, and this posts stood out to me. Feels like scum trying to link miselims, and honestly not sure how he came to this conclusion. Like VFP is not the loudest pusher on Jonny, and Johnny has been pushing Grandpa over VFP. Over all, confused by this post if coming from town.

Still not sure how I feel about Jonny atm. Will need to give the thread a closer look later, before I can vote.

Yea... I was thinking about if Johnny flips town, then there HAS to be mafia between VFP and T3 and I linked that earlier.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 7:46 am

In post 1181, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1112, Not_Mafia wrote:A50 vote Johnny the instant you see this
I don't think this flips red, my fellow animal-police-detective

Why not? Can you explain why?

I mean everything he really has done is anti town-- to my standards. (to me specifically)

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 7:52 am

In post 1186, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1142, VFP wrote:I think I want T3 eliminated tomorrow regardless of the flip.
I think I want that today, if you don't really mind.

I am down for a T3 or Johnny vote.

I was thinking about possible scum in T3 - Johnny.

But is there a world where they are aligned?

Because if Johnny flips town, and I said there is scum within VFP and T3 because of that previous interaction.

Then T3 flipping scum could be highly plausable.

Scum between T3 - Johnny >>> Johnny Flips town >>> Scum between T3 - VFP >>> T3 flips scum.

or

Scum between T3 - Johnny >>> Johnny Flips scum >>> Scum between T3 - VFP >>> VFP flips scum.

Unless A50 is clearly trying to pivot onto T3 as a miselim because they don't want let's say someone as Johnny being the scum RB to be dead.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 7:53 am

In post 1188, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1175, VFP wrote:The longer this takes the more I feel Johnny is flipping town.
He is.

In post 1175, VFP wrote:Someone just
UN
vote!
Fixed that for you

Can you answer me?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 8:01 am

In post 1191, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1185, GrandpaMo wrote:I mean everything he really has done is anti town-- to my standards. (to me specifically)
Don't take thing too personal. You have a play/post style that is confusing to most tbh.

Hopefully I get better at that... Johnny could just be misunderstanding what I say; hence why they scumread me. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and I even called them out for me to give them a chance... But its like they aren't listening and that is what frustrates me.

Now, aside from that, would you say T3's hop (and lining up VPN yeet next) was done in good faith? Cuz I don't think it was.

Yea, I was the first one to point that out. Quoting VFP and T3's weird quote interaction. I was thinking about that. And my scumread was initially T3 but Pine's replacement came in with the bad reaction/follow up which made Johnny worse than T3; so I ignored T3 for some time.

You said there has to be one scum between VPN & T3 if Johnny flips green, right? Well, I'm telling you he's flipping green. Now which of VPN/T3 is scum to you??

I explained this earlier idk if you saw but. But if Johnny flips green then it is most likely T3 as scum.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 8:02 am

In post 1191, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1185, GrandpaMo wrote:I mean everything he really has done is anti town-- to my standards. (to me specifically)
Don't take thing too personal. You have a play/post style that is confusing to most tbh.

Hopefully I get better at that... Johnny could just be misunderstanding what I say; hence why they scumread me. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and I even called them out for me to give them a chance... But its like they aren't listening and that is what frustrates me.

Now, aside from that, would you say T3's hop (and lining up VPN yeet next) was done in good faith? Cuz I don't think it was.

Yea, I was the first one to point that out. Quoting VFP and T3's weird quote interaction. I was thinking about that. And my scumread was initially T3 but Pine's replacement came in with the bad reaction/follow up which made Johnny worse than T3; so I ignored T3 for some time.

You said there has to be one scum between VPN & T3 if Johnny flips green, right? Well, I'm telling you he's flipping green. Now which of VPN/T3 is scum to you??

I explained this earlier idk if you saw but. But if Johnny flips green then it is most likely T3 as scum.

sorry i messed up quote tags. this is the corrected post.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 8:05 am

In post 1196, Almost50 wrote:REMINDER:

In post 450, T3 wrote:I really don't see why prof is scum. I'm going to UNVOTE: for now.

ALSO, how you you go from

In post 69, T3 wrote:WTF VOTE: pooky

In post 75, T3 wrote:My soul is telling me the bear is scum.

In post 119, T3 wrote:The pooky read was half guess half gut. Lukewarm leantown right now.
To sheeping precisely Pooky on Johnny?? Not sheeping me, Bingle or Grandpa... sheepi9ng Pooky.

i hate how you agree with me now.

where were you when i built this scum case on t3 now???

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 8:07 am

In post 1199, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Okay yeah. T3 defended drap, votes my townreads OR me exclusively (with a weird pooky exception?) and put me at what they thought to be e-1 without asking for a claim KNOWING cow is here and what cow do.

VOTE: t3

Pedit: welp

... This should make me town in your eyes then.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 8:10 am

In post 1202, VFP wrote:T3 scum means that Johnny is town, but it also locks Lukewarm as town for me.
As scum, Lukewarm just votes with us as uses the excuse of town wagon.

This flipping scum, should also make me locked town in your eyes as well.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 8:12 am

In post 1203, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 1201, GrandpaMo wrote:... This should make me town in your eyes then.
I don't follow

VFP wrote:T3 scum means that Johnny is town, but it also locks Lukewarm as town for me.
As scum, Lukewarm just votes with us as uses the excuse of town wagon.
Agreed

Look if you read anything day one, you would know I defended Drap wanting an elim on T3?? Why would I defend scum to bus another scum if I was scum? What??

everyone is ltierally starting to listen to me and I have been wanting the T3 vote since forever. And did going into Day 2. So if you think I hard defend mafia day 1 then hard bus mafia day 2 then idk what to tell u..

do u understand???

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 8:13 am

In post 1205, Almost50 wrote:
In post 514, T3 wrote:VOTE: VFP
Thin ISO, Drapion tunneling (who is a mild tr).

In post 590, T3 wrote:I see where the Drap wagon is coming from but at this point I'm just not feeling it.... I didn't like his defense that much though.

In post 591, T3 wrote:I just reread Drap ISO. VOTE: Drapion. It almost felt like he tried to make himself look way too godod after RVS and there was the:I'm town defense.
T3 accused VPN of tunneling Drap, yet admitted (later) he had yet to ISO Drap. What was the Town Lean based on then? And just before he decided to bus he had tried to defuse the wagon because he "wasn't feeling it". So, not feeling the wagon you voted in your very next post?? Why? Was it because you didn't read Drap's posts before? Then how come you accused VPN of tunneling? Tunneling = clinging to strawsd and pushing narratives that fit your own predetermined outcome, so you can't accuse someone of tunneling unless you did read the target's posts and decided they didn't mean what the accuser had made them look to mean.

In short, T3 is the scum ON Drap's wagon

LOL u are just now stealing every scumcase on me.

i literally pointed all this shit out in my analysis.

I FINALLY FEEL APPERCIATED OMG THAT I AM ACTUALLY BEING LISTENED TO

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 8:14 am

THIS IS THE BW I HAVE BEEN WANTING ALL FUCKING GAME AND ITS FINALLY HAPPEN.

REGARDLESS OF FLIP; THIS IS A HEAVY INFO VOTE.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 8:23 am

In post 1210, Almost50 wrote:@Grandpa: As I said, you have a "non-standard" way of posting which doesn't make it easy for anyone to just trust you from the get go. One has to readjust their system to be able to scan your ideas without being thrown off by the posting style. (Don't worry, this will probably be a minor problem if we meet again, because I now -at least- know what to expect)

my first game there was someone like this (but in a WAY more confusing town talking about stuff that never even happened in the game and everyone just ignored it and thought they were town until late game where we caught the scumslip); and they scumslipped in their analysis. they quit MS after their first game as well... it was so sad because their fucking scum pt was filled wit so much analysis that i probably won't do that much fucking effort in holyy

i like doing this playstyle as town idk it feels "right" to give this much info as town and much logical reasoning.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 8:24 am

In post 1210, Almost50 wrote:@Grandpa: As I said, you have a "non-standard" way of posting which doesn't make it easy for anyone to just trust you from the get go. One has to readjust their system to be able to scan your ideas without being thrown off by the posting style. (Don't worry, this will probably be a minor problem if we meet again, because I now -at least- know what to expect)

i see that you are more into making associative reads based on meta analysis which is fine and honestly that's probably why i came into this game confused on the drap bw.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 4:39 pm

In post 1220, Lukewarm wrote:Okay, I think that there is exactly 1 scum between T3 and Johnny.

If I had to choose an elim today, I think I am leaning T3. Mainly because I had a scum read on T3 for most of Day 1 and because of 1134, but to a lesser extent, because a50 is pushing it, and he is my strongest TR at the moment.

Spoiler:
Also, would feel bad about eliming the replace in so quickly

VOTE: T3

BRUH R U KIDDING ME. pls give me credit ;-;

i literally said this !!!

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 4:39 pm

In post 1221, Menalque wrote:@bingle who should I be voting for

bad enterance.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 4:40 pm

In post 1215, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 115, Dannflor wrote:Drapion, I think T3 is town

In post 293, Dannflor wrote:@ProfDrapion, I just think T3's entrance was genuine emotionally

it's very simple and straightforward but also like the type of slightly scummy posting scum tends to want to avoid

when I look for scum entrances I look for the posters who are trying to make themselves look good

kinda doubt scum t3 shoots Dann

didnt u want t3 out??

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 4:45 pm

In post 1218, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also T3 has been like scummy limbait in every game ive ever played with him so its not even alignment indicative behavior when it happens lol

this is sorta true lol...

but i scumread them day 1. was the ONLY one who brought a scumcase on them. wanted to vote them EoD day 1. wanted to vote them early day 2 before pine comes in. idk bout others. idk why everyone is giving a50 the credit lol.

even tho pooky... i think this is an info flip..

if this flips town, dont u think johnny is scum?

or what r ur thoughts pooh <3

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:16 pm

In post 1231, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1227, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1220, Lukewarm wrote:Okay, I think that there is exactly 1 scum between T3 and Johnny.

If I had to choose an elim today, I think I am leaning T3. Mainly because I had a scum read on T3 for most of Day 1 and because of 1134, but to a lesser extent, because a50 is pushing it, and he is my strongest TR at the moment.

Spoiler:
Also, would feel bad about eliming the replace in so quickly

VOTE: T3
BRUH R U KIDDING ME. pls give me credit ;-;

i literally said this !!!
Give you credit?

Bruh. Your comments had nothing to do with my read? If anything, you said a lot of things that contradict my own position

Spoiler:
In post 1108, GrandpaMo wrote:honestly, hopefully im not wrong again but there is no way this fucking flips town.
I am not this convinced. I actually think T3 is more likely to flip scum, and therefore I think it is more likely that Johnny is Town
In post 1182, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1173, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1134, T3 wrote:Really not liking the replacement. VOTE: Johnny
If this is town the VFP is scum.
Okay, so I am gonna be busy for a lot of today, but will be back for a closer look this evening. Just doing a quick skim during my break, and this posts stood out to me. Feels like scum trying to link miselims, and honestly not sure how he came to this conclusion. Like VFP is not the loudest pusher on Jonny, and Johnny has been pushing Grandpa over VFP. Over all, confused by this post if coming from town.

Still not sure how I feel about Jonny atm. Will need to give the thread a closer look later, before I can vote.

Yea... I was thinking about if Johnny flips town, then there HAS to be mafia between VFP and T3 and I linked that earlier.
Again, we are approaching this differently. You are starting with Johnny. I am starting with 1134 is super fucking scummy, and so much so that it stood out to me on a brief scan

And like, even if some of our thoughts are aligned, that does not mean I thought them because you happened to get to the thread faster then me, because, like, we are reading the same thread???

i was referring to me bout the scum between t3 and johnny lol.

we aren't approaching this differently.. because u are still willing to vote either or.

sorry im just a LITTLE frustrated...

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:17 pm

In post 1233, GrandpaMo wrote:but to a lesser extent, because a50 is pushing it, and he is my strongest TR at the moment.

"but to a lesser extent, because a50 is pushing it, and he is my strongest TR at the moment."

((

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:18 pm

In post 1232, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1230, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1218, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also T3 has been like scummy limbait in every game ive ever played with him so its not even alignment indicative behavior when it happens lol
this is sorta true lol...

but i scumread them day 1. was the ONLY one who brought a scumcase on them. wanted to vote them EoD day 1. wanted to vote them early day 2 before pine comes in. idk bout others. idk why everyone is giving a50 the credit lol.
And why you out here lying?
I
convinced
you
that T3 was scummy Day 1 lmao

Spoiler: This post probably won't help the town solve, so if you are not Grandpa you can skip this spoiler :lol:
The only read you posted on T3 before I listed him as scummy:
In post 156, GrandpaMo wrote:Okay. So the only real townread I agree with you here is T3.
and then I come in with my read list
In post 259, Lukewarm wrote:My current reads are

Scum Lean

T3
Professor Drapion
Oh, and look, its
me making a case against T3
- 290 and
me pointing out suspicious things from T3 again
373

And look. Here
you are QUOTING ME,
the first time you seems even the slightest bit suspicious of T3
In post 373, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 372, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 258, T3 wrote:VOTE: Lukewarm. His tone feels forced , and I'm not liking th defense.

In post 328, T3 wrote:I do think Lukewarm had a good defense I'll have to think on it.
??

I am pretty sure my defense was the same before and after post 258. What changed your mind?

Well from my perspective you had a fair assessment in your quote which in my definition different than defense. I don't know what T3 is talking about here honestly.
And look, me again, responding to you trying to convince you that it was scummy - 375 and even a vote from me 383

And AFTER I posted that case / vote

In post 384, GrandpaMo wrote:ok im actually thinking there might be scum between luke and t3
Huhhh. Looks like I convinced you of something here. Like your entire scum read on T3 came from me pointing things out to you.

pls give me credit ;-;

But not really. I don't want credit for your reads. Just realize that we are all reading the same things, and all working together to find the scum team anyways. So it doesn't matter who made any given read first lmao. And not everyone is constantly thinking of where certain things originated. Like here. Where you forgot that I am the one who convinced you that T3 was scum. But it really shouldn't matter imo

WAIT LMFAO I COMPLETELY FORGOT .

i dont think i used ur thing tho...

i provided my own scumcase however ig i looked at it more of like hey i was the one who wanted t3 out but since u vote drap it doesnt count

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:20 pm

In post 1235, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1232, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1230, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1218, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also T3 has been like scummy limbait in every game ive ever played with him so its not even alignment indicative behavior when it happens lol
this is sorta true lol...

but i scumread them day 1. was the ONLY one who brought a scumcase on them. wanted to vote them EoD day 1. wanted to vote them early day 2 before pine comes in. idk bout others. idk why everyone is giving a50 the credit lol.
And why you out here lying?
I
convinced
you
that T3 was scummy Day 1 lmao

Spoiler: This post probably won't help the town solve, so if you are not Grandpa you can skip this spoiler :lol:
The only read you posted on T3 before I listed him as scummy:
In post 156, GrandpaMo wrote:Okay. So the only real townread I agree with you here is T3.
and then I come in with my read list
In post 259, Lukewarm wrote:My current reads are

Scum Lean

T3
Professor Drapion
Oh, and look, its
me making a case against T3
- 290 and
me pointing out suspicious things from T3 again
373

And look. Here
you are QUOTING ME,
the first time you seems even the slightest bit suspicious of T3
In post 373, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 372, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 258, T3 wrote:VOTE: Lukewarm. His tone feels forced , and I'm not liking th defense.

In post 328, T3 wrote:I do think Lukewarm had a good defense I'll have to think on it.
??

I am pretty sure my defense was the same before and after post 258. What changed your mind?

Well from my perspective you had a fair assessment in your quote which in my definition different than defense. I don't know what T3 is talking about here honestly.
And look, me again, responding to you trying to convince you that it was scummy - 375 and even a vote from me 383

And AFTER I posted that case / vote

In post 384, GrandpaMo wrote:ok im actually thinking there might be scum between luke and t3
Huhhh. Looks like I convinced you of something here. Like your entire scum read on T3 came from me pointing things out to you.

pls give me credit ;-;

But not really. I don't want credit for your reads. Just realize that we are all reading the same things, and all working together to find the scum team anyways. So it doesn't matter who made any given read first lmao. And not everyone is constantly thinking of where certain things originated. Like here. Where you forgot that I am the one who convinced you that T3 was scum. But it really shouldn't matter imo
WAIT LMFAO I COMPLETELY FORGOT .

i dont think i used ur thing tho...

i provided my own scumcase however ig i looked at it more of like hey i was the one who wanted t3 out but since u vote drap it doesnt count

yea... when i was reading ur case... i realized that you might have been town hence why i backed off at you and looked at someone other than u . then t3 post stood out in which you made a comment on -- and that's on intuitive thought.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 5:23 pm

In post 1232, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 1230, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1218, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:also T3 has been like scummy limbait in every game ive ever played with him so its not even alignment indicative behavior when it happens lol
this is sorta true lol...

but i scumread them day 1. was the ONLY one who brought a scumcase on them. wanted to vote them EoD day 1. wanted to vote them early day 2 before pine comes in. idk bout others. idk why everyone is giving a50 the credit lol.
And why you out here lying?
I
convinced
you
that T3 was scummy Day 1 lmao

Spoiler: This post probably won't help the town solve, so if you are not Grandpa you can skip this spoiler :lol:
The only read you posted on T3 before I listed him as scummy:
In post 156, GrandpaMo wrote:Okay. So the only real townread I agree with you here is T3.
and then I come in with my read list
In post 259, Lukewarm wrote:My current reads are

Scum Lean

T3
Professor Drapion
Oh, and look, its
me making a case against T3
- 290 and
me pointing out suspicious things from T3 again
373

And look. Here
you are QUOTING ME,
the first time you seems even the slightest bit suspicious of T3
In post 373, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 372, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 258, T3 wrote:VOTE: Lukewarm. His tone feels forced , and I'm not liking th defense.

In post 328, T3 wrote:I do think Lukewarm had a good defense I'll have to think on it.
??

I am pretty sure my defense was the same before and after post 258. What changed your mind?

Well from my perspective you had a fair assessment in your quote which in my definition different than defense. I don't know what T3 is talking about here honestly.
And look, me again, responding to you trying to convince you that it was scummy - 375 and even a vote from me 383

And AFTER I posted that case / vote

In post 384, GrandpaMo wrote:ok im actually thinking there might be scum between luke and t3
Huhhh. Looks like I convinced you of something here. Like your entire scum read on T3 came from me pointing things out to you.

pls give me credit ;-;

But not really. I don't want credit for your reads. Just realize that we are all reading the same things, and all working together to find the scum team anyways. So it doesn't matter who made any given read first lmao. And not everyone is constantly thinking of where certain things originated. Like here. Where you forgot that I am the one who convinced you that T3 was scum. But it really shouldn't matter imo

sorry for spam posting

but also yea, you are right-- i think we are all on the same page. well at least me and you.

i just thought Pine was scum gave reasoning >>> A50 comes out and says to pivot to T3 (in which I scumread day 1 and never retracted) >>> We vote T3 >>> Solve's Johnny's allignment imo.

Or we stick to johnny vote >>> T3's allignment gets solved day 3.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 6:39 pm

In post 1249, Lukewarm wrote:[Professor, T3, Pooky] scum team?

I HATE how you are like me. And it's honestly scaring me....

You're actually funny, and I am over here laughing.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 6:40 pm

In post 1253, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:for NM to vote before hammer

this must be a serious scumread

LMAO. What has this game going to...

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 6:41 pm

Also I am going to defend Pooky here for one second.

I disagree with Lukewarm...

And I honestly I doubt that T3 + Pooky are aligned here.

If pooky flips scum, the only other person could be their partner is A50 not T3.

Pooky would bus T3 here 100%.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 15, 2021 7:30 pm

In post 1260, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i dont really bus as scum, its something that almost never shows up in my scum game

i cant even remember the last time I bussed a scum partner without some kind of mech guilty or lylo thing in play

ok nvm then...

GrandpaMo · Sun May 16, 2021 4:26 am

In post 1304, Menalque wrote:
In post 1302, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1299, Menalque wrote:
In post 1296, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:have you actually read what grandpa's been typing?
kind of? some of it has been turning my brain to mush especially when it's longer but I pretty much got through a couple of the longer posts while I was catching up

it just feels very ~written to be read~ if u get what I mean
more like written to be unreadable to me
and you see this as.. town?

...what.

i wrote everything to make sense. its really not that hard imo to understand; i gave logic thru associates tried to make u understand. and when i need to amek a defense; i point out every point u make and counter rebuke that to make you understand whats so hard about understanding... this is the first time this group of players have a hard time understanding my posts?? last game wasn't like this and i played the same exact way lol

GrandpaMo · Sun May 16, 2021 4:28 am

pooky is known for not comprehedning big things~ so using his info doesn't really help.

but mena if you actually read and still find yourself confused... please point them out!! i am willing to explain in depth for you. since you claim i wrote all the shit on purpose to make it unreadable? what?

how come lukewarm understands it and a50 sorta understands what i have been saying. and there is proof that lukewarm understands what i am saying lol.

GrandpaMo · Sun May 16, 2021 4:30 am

In post 1289, Menalque wrote:I think atp it's like

Luke
bingle
gypyx

pooky
A50
N_M

T3
johnny

grandpa
VFP

lol u have the same reads as me and decide to me as scum wit vfp

GrandpaMo · Sun May 16, 2021 4:30 am

In post 1303, Menalque wrote:
In post 1300, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
In post 1298, Menalque wrote:
In post 1295, JohnnyFarrar wrote:ou might be wrong on Bingle, I think you are wrong on vfp.
y on both
I think vfp is the towniest on my wagon for actually being worried about my flip. He asked for a claim. He almost backed down. He's waffly in a way I think scum would avoid.

Bingle is coasting.
VFP looks really bad on D1 tho and I think that they have good equity with Drap. like especially as drap is coming under pressure in the first like 10-12 pages or so

Bingle coasting doesn't worry me that much because (1) I've been not doing much either this game and (2) he can be allowed to coast for a day even if he's scum after hard bussing his buddy

like without knowing if we're in the world where scum did hardbus or not, I think the safer assumption is they *probably* didn't (which is not to say they didn't bus at all but more just that they probably didn't lead the wagon on their buddy) and it's okay to let the slots heavily involved in that get by for a day or two before reconsidering if you don't hit more scum within that timeframe

wait can u provide me a scumcase on vfp? i wanna read ur thoughts when i come back home

GrandpaMo · Sun May 16, 2021 4:36 am

sorry for spam posting... but this is because i haven't really pay attention to vfp this day. and that's because i had a townread on them day 1.

and thats just thru meta. they are playing the same way they are playing in another game as town and its funny.

i still think the vote pool should be johnny, mena, t3.

i want to give mena the benefit of the doubt, and give them to day 3 as well (if they don't die) to actually comprehend what i am saying; because it could just be a matter of misunderstanding.

i have a question.

is it scum indicitave if you list your townreads and you explain why they are town in depth but you post your scumreads and you only give weak reasoning or no reasoning at all?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 7:18 am

Wait? Lovers love someone else? or because I thought there was two babysitters, two aliens etc.

Like if baby sitter loves someone they convert them to a lover babysitter as well. How does this lover mechanic work?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 7:19 am

Does this now mean psychologist can never get a false guilty?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 7:19 am

In post 1357, T3 wrote:That explains why Lukewarm pushed me.

Elaborate?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 7:50 am

In post 1364, Gypyx wrote:
In post 1361, GrandpaMo wrote:Wait? Lovers love someone else? or because I thought there was two babysitters, two aliens etc.

Like if baby sitter loves someone they convert them to a lover babysitter as well. How does this lover mechanic work?
ffs did you even read the setup

lovers are two guys who share a PT and if one dies the other dies

yea but how does it work? isn't there...

oh wait is this passive lover?

where they already are lovers?

im used to the mechanic in mafia.gg

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 8:48 am

In post 1367, Gypyx wrote:
In post 1366, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1364, Gypyx wrote:
In post 1361, GrandpaMo wrote:Wait? Lovers love someone else? or because I thought there was two babysitters, two aliens etc.

Like if baby sitter loves someone they convert them to a lover babysitter as well. How does this lover mechanic work?
ffs did you even read the setup

lovers are two guys who share a PT and if one dies the other dies
yea but how does it work? isn't there...

oh wait is this passive lover?

where they already are lovers?

im used to the mechanic in mafia.gg
just read the setup, like it's right fucking there

yes already lovers

why are you so aggressive for? it's not listed in the setup.

in the setup it states they are just lovers. calm down-- i just didn't understand the lover mechanic.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 9:05 am

In post 1374, Bingle wrote:
In post 1356, Gypyx wrote:why no lim? like yeah we're on evens but better keep as many voices as possible alive
Actually mathematically suboptimal. No lim is better earlier in this case because we have the additional flip info earlier and scum has less to work on to narrow down the psychologist kill, when outing the psychologist is disproportionately more powerful the later it happens.

Also, I don't think there's an obvious NK right now and I want to know who scum would choose, which I can do without losing any potential town utility.

i dont like what u said in bolded...

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 9:54 am

In post 1377, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1371, Gypyx wrote:i got like a lotta exams, that i didn't study for, but normally tommorw afternoon will be good for a decent while

wbu?
im killing people left and right

wtf pooky u can meme anymore like this in day 3 ffs

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 9:54 am

cant*

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 3:27 pm

In post 1381, Bingle wrote:
In post 1376, GrandpaMo wrote:i dont like what u said in bolded...
? What do you not like about it?

8 alive with 2 scum. That's two mislims to lose.
If we no lim, we have 7 alive with 2 scum. That's two mislims to lose.

There is no opportunity in the setup at this point to net a mislim.

There is no lost utility to the setup if we no elim, as opposed to a closed where we might have a hidden doc or a previous day phase where we could still have a successful protect that nets us an extra miselimination.

The counter argument of course is "More town voices" but I think "Who would scum kill here?" is more valuable than any individual POV solve wise. I don't think there's a single universal townread that scum would simply always kill here.

i was really talking bout the subjective part of what you said and not objective. like how you said "which i can do without losing any potential town utility."

can u elaborate on that?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 3:29 pm

In post 1382, Almost50 wrote:Nice bloody play. I concede the game to the scum team.

i hate ppl like this.

i want to always try no matter what happens.

and i agree with bingle says objectively; even tho i have an idea on who scum might kill-- and won't reveal that info yet (due to wifom kill etc)

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 3:32 pm

In post 1380, T3 wrote:All my experience comes from chat mafia (Em, mafia.gg) so any posts longer than 5 lines I subconsciously don't analyze. I have no idearight now.

i came from mafia.gg... what is ur excuse?

especially coming from someone who posts wall posts and analytical posts and doesnt usually do that on mafia.gg

so again, whats ur excuse?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 3:33 pm

i think johnny flipping town >>> then the most likely kill which can be both VFP and lukewarm >>> t3 is probably still scum :/

@a50 why did u back down from pushing t3?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 3:56 pm

In post 1387, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1386, GrandpaMo wrote:@a50 why did u back down from pushing t3?
Where did I do that? I kept pushing T3 all day and I said Johnny was Town and still people piled on Johnny and then Bingle hammered. I can't even tell which is more scummy, Bingle or Pooky!

so y not keep pushing t3 then? instead of giving up?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 7:52 pm

In post 1390, Almost50 wrote:They are going for a no lim. I did my best (reached my peak) yesterday. I am not going to consume more of my energy on a lost cause. If you feel strong enough, you can push T3 and I'll follow (i.e. I will vote him), but I am telling you right now that they are going to NO LIM today, and then I hopefully will get shot at night and you can do whatever you all wanna do.

P.S. Weren't you one of the people who voted Johnny?? Now -if you are town- take responsibility and try to make up for your own mistake. I don't like talking and listening to my own echo while people do just whatever they want to do and hand scum the win. This isn't something that relates to this particular game. The whole site is now turning into a circus and people have been stubbornly doing their own thing (or to be precise what the MAFIA tells them to do). I am obviously overly upset so it's better not to discuss this anymore. You have the same vote-weight as mine.

VOTE: No Elim

i dont think i voted johnny.

i wanted them both out. i thought that johnny flipping town will make t3 scum vice versa.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 7:55 pm

In post 1390, Almost50 wrote:They are going for a no lim. I did my best (reached my peak) yesterday. I am not going to consume more of my energy on a lost cause. If you feel strong enough, you can push T3 and I'll follow (i.e. I will vote him), but I am telling you right now that they are going to NO LIM today, and then I hopefully will get shot at night and you can do whatever you all wanna do.

P.S. Weren't you one of the people who voted Johnny?? Now -if you are town- take responsibility and try to make up for your own mistake. I don't like talking and listening to my own echo while people do just whatever they want to do and hand scum the win. This isn't something that relates to this particular game. The whole site is now turning into a circus and people have been stubbornly doing their own thing (or to be precise what the MAFIA tells them to do). I am obviously overly upset so it's better not to discuss this anymore. You have the same vote-weight as mine.

VOTE: No Elim

also sorry for the passive aggressive questioning-- im just confused atp... and tryna figure out where everyone is out before we waste this day wit a no elim...

i just wanna hear from t3 first mainly + mena

GrandpaMo · Tue May 18, 2021 8:14 pm

also @bingle isnt it better to see who mafia kills during night 4? think about it...

the likelehood of t3 flipping scum here is high..

ELIM SCUM: we assume t3 flips scum >>> it becomes 1:5 during day 4 >>> 1:3 during day 5 >>> (NO ELIM) >>> 1:2 during day 6.

ELIM TOWN: we assume t3 flips town >>> it becomes 2:4 during day 4 >>> (NO ELIM) >>> 2:3 during day 5

NO ELIM: (NO ELIM) >>> it becomes 2:5 during day 4 >>> 2:3 during day 5

no eliming and eliming a town this day is practically the same. however the difference is that there is a possibility for t3 to roll scum and that goes for any elim we do today since we can't no elim already having doing so today or mafia would win. it also gives us better insight on the night 4 kill, questioning who would mafia kill here.

i think i rather have the mafia figure out to kill between towncore players that have been townread all this game (and this would make the kill now based on associates and question why did they make that kill) not ppl like pooky/mena/t3 who have had sum doubts bout other ppl.

GrandpaMo · Wed May 19, 2021 4:50 am

In post 1401, T3 wrote:I think a no elim works for now. There's no obvious nightkill and it would narrow down my paranoaia pool. VOTE: no one

u can figure that out day 4 tho ;-;

GrandpaMo · Wed May 19, 2021 4:52 am

In post 1397, Menalque wrote:The hammer + the accurate NK + the retreat into mechtalk today all makes bingle a scumboi I think

i actually like this from mena even tho maybe i dont agree wit it

GrandpaMo · Wed May 19, 2021 6:16 am

In post 1409, Not_Mafia wrote:As a mod I would not accept a vote for “no one” as a vote for a no elimination.

VOTE: Pooky

why not t3?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 4:27 am

VOTE: T3

i rather go t3

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 4:29 am

this is so stupid i have no idea why we fucking did not con demn the day before. it gives a better chance. now you think about who mafia is gonna kill this game....

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 6:22 am

In post 1498, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grandpa Mo

interesting vote, how come?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 6:23 am

i wont be active much of the day today because im gonna go out wit my fam..

but i think scum is between pooky/t3 - leaning t3.

and considering this kill - maybe scum between bingle/nm

i can elaborate on why exactly those associations when i come back.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 12:17 pm

i cc.

now you have three things you can do with this CC.

either decide to believe me and vote pooky.

or you don't believe me or vote me.

OR you don't vote anyone-- and see how this plays out thinking I am trying to reaction test pooky.

All three are WIFOM scenerios that can backfire.

Do NOT however, assume something so suddenly.

Just let it play out for a couple of times. We have much time, and we NEED to actually win this game. I am sick and tired of my other game-- thank god I died in that game, that I feel so much comfortable this game because people actually understood what I was saying.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 12:19 pm

In post 1501, T3 wrote:Pooky/Grandpa scumteam anyone? VOTE: Pooky
Mena is town.

Shit reads.

Can you explain why mena is town?

How can me and pooky be ever paired here?

Just because i townleaned pooky more than pooky/t3.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 12:20 pm

In post 1507, Bingle wrote:
In post 1496, GrandpaMo wrote:this is so stupid i have no idea why we fucking did not con demn the day before. it gives a better chance. now you think about who mafia is gonna kill this game....
Objectively wrong. We now have a 2/6 as opposed to a 2/7 of liming scum. Empirically, odd numbers benefit towns and even numbers benefit scum.

Today is the correct day for the psychologist to fullclaim as we still have a day to test it if the mafia choose to cc. I am VT.

NM efforting as much as he has this game is heavily town indicative.

You think NM put effort?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 12:23 pm

In post 1514, Not_Mafia wrote:I still refuse to believe Johnny's flip

doesnt this make t3 scum?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 12:25 pm

In post 1393, GrandpaMo wrote:also @bingle isnt it better to see who mafia kills during night 4? think about it...

the likelehood of t3 flipping scum here is high..

ELIM SCUM: we assume t3 flips scum >>> it becomes 1:5 during day 4 >>> 1:3 during day 5 >>> (NO ELIM) >>> 1:2 during day 6.

ELIM TOWN: we assume t3 flips town >>> it becomes 2:4 during day 4 >>> (NO ELIM) >>> 2:3 during day 5

NO ELIM: (NO ELIM) >>> it becomes 2:5 during day 4 >>> 2:3 during day 5

no eliming and eliming a town this day is practically the same. however the difference is that there is a possibility for t3 to roll scum and that goes for any elim we do today since we can't no elim already having doing so today or mafia would win. it also gives us better insight on the night 4 kill, questioning who would mafia kill here.

i think i rather have the mafia figure out to kill between towncore players that have been townread all this game (and this would make the kill now based on associates and question why did they make that kill) not ppl like pooky/mena/t3 who have had sum doubts bout other ppl.

@bingle

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 12:31 pm

In post 1485, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1391, GrandpaMo wrote:i dont think i voted johnny.
You mean you don't even know where your vote was at the end of the day??

In post 1347, lendunistus wrote:
Open 810 Official Vote Count - Day 2 Hammer

JohnnyFarrar
(6): PookyTheMagicalBear,
GrandpaMo
, T3, Not_Mafia, VFP, Bingle

T3
(3): Almost50, JohnnyFarrar, Lukewarm

VFP
(2): Gypyx, Menalque

With 11 alive, it took 6 to shove someone's head into an energy core.

Deadline
: Was the 20th of May, Thursday, 2021, 8am EDT

also sorry @a50 i thought i had pivoted to t3 since everyone was already to-- me being anticapted of being happy

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 9:46 pm

okay i just came back from my nap, its 4 in the morning.

i of course retract. no reason for scum (if i was scum, it would make me more liable for elim) or town (if i was town, i would be basically throwing) to cc here; its more NAI for me imo (i explain below). i only cced as to what pooky would say just in case that pooky is NOT the psych as well as to bait just in case pooky is actual psych. my pr reads were actually pooky/nm/nd mena and i am waiting on what mena would say regarding this. i pr read pooky i think around day 2 - 3 after having no associate reads (same with Mena but DIFFERENT with NM). nd so i thought pooky was just pr/maf and that's why im inclined to believe this claim especially considering since i think there is mafia between pooky/T3 .

ps: i love claiming pr as VT. i use to do all the time in voice mafia / mafia.gg especially considering the fact that i could throw mafia off. and i have gained a habit of doing so as town/scum (that's why you shouldn't really focus on my claim being AI) all the time in a game. and yes sometimes, I do uh throw by accident and don't realize I get actual town pr condemned lol. but its more of in closed games i do it and this isn't a closed game which is like eh i guess i could do it but i would need to adapt dynamic playstyle where specific town knows what I am doing and scum doesn't just to throw scum off.

anyways, i think we really elim T3 today. Mafia will just kill psych at night no?

There is no reason for psych to fake claim on Day 4 with 7-8 ppl alive?

Because if that is fake and real psych does come out, and let's say we elim pooky today and they flip psych, then we get the other CC. I guess you could say, it wastes us a day.

A Mena CC will be the highlight of the game if this happens especially considering the interaction they had. That means pooky would have kept mena alive for the sole purpose to CC them omg

that is fucking amazing if ur scum lmao

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 9:52 pm

In post 1503, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 12, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ego
crumbed it in my first post ^

holy shit. im taking psychology rn, and that is an amazing soft. I actually read back at your ISO one time I think during day 1 (when I didn't think you were psych)

and I actually thought why did pooky say ego out of anywhere, was it like a thing they do on MS as they do with twitter, ratio? or sum shit.

Ego for y'all don't know is one of three layers of the unconscious outlined as a iceberg by Sigmund Freud, a psychologist. Ego is the middle one, superego being the highest one, and ID being completely submerged underneath the water.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 22, 2021 9:55 pm

In post 14, GrandpaMo wrote:you forgot me smh. im voting you for not looking into the future

VOTE: VFP

btw hey t3 and pooky!! nice playing again with you all

wow didn't think i would be saying hi to scum

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 1:52 am

In post 1536, T3 wrote:l o l ^ 2

Nah this is scum Grandpa who thought NM had a guilty on him ccs, then realizes NM is vt.
Pooky, what were your results?

what????

first please reread what you said.

then second analyze what you said.

"scum grandpa who thought nm had a guilty" so i CC after pooky comes out as psych?

please rephrase.

if i think i get what ur saying, then why would i cc to nm claiming vt???

when i mentioned pooky in my CC that implies i obviously knew that pooky was the one claiming psych.

wtf type psedoscience bs r u coming up wit

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 1:53 am

In post 1537, T3 wrote:Wait nvm I'm bad I missed NM vt claim.
Still keeping my vote on gm for the pooky cc.

just saw this. LOL

ur a weird chad.

PLSSSS HOW IS THIS NOT FUCKING SCUM OMG.

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 2:08 am

t3 has been the only one in this game since day 1, that has been so obvious scum and no one just wants to care about him..

even a50 fucking tried, and somehow a50 is no longer with us:(

im not bout to lose to t3!scum

when half of town wasn't listening to a50 or me in day 1 . well at least we did get a vote onto drap scum but honestly i was blinded by t3 / lukewarm in the beginnning and had a consensus that lukewarm could be scum in the back of my head. but honestly seeing what/how t3 developed thru this game, is actually mindboggling. the tendencay to keep pivoting votes and blantaly sheeping. everyone here is scared to push for a t3 elim becasue they bring up a question of hey "does t3 really do this as obvious scum" this whole shit could be a wifom shit show for all we know. pls elim me tmr if im fucking wrong, but 100 percent this flips scum nd u need to trust. because t3 has been ignorning me till NOW which he finally can find a reason to omgus because he has no one other to push to but me.

that actually brings me to another point.

@t3 you call me scum, but you have been voting wit me and agreeing wit my logic for the past days.

so pls explain to me, why the all sudden change. oh i bet you wont answer this question too like all the other questions you have ignorned or deflected. that has cause the anti town behavior in you to shine.

honestly we got a jonny flip and that flipped town. lukewarm says if johnny flipped town >> t3 would be scum which i also said before him and i do agree with that statement as well.

im bout to go iso drap.

Spoiler:

In post 70, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 69, T3 wrote:WTF VOTE: pooky
Nice entrance.

In post 103, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 99, Bingle wrote:
In post 96, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Now Bingle, got any other early reads?
Mena slightly scummy, pooky low priority, your slot has tells but I need to wait for the psych evaluation result to determine if they’re scummy or towny. Dann strongest townread. I’d be voting lukewarm if I weren’t voting gypyx, but I think the gypyx wagon is more likely to be spicy atm.

You?
I liked the way Mena went about my slot when they voted me. It doesn’t seem to be “faked” per say. So I would slightly TR Mena there.

I personally like the way VFP has handled the thread. Not much content but it felt genuine. More of a gut read then anything but I trust it at least for now.

T3’s entrance wasn’t entirely bad but it was definitely not a great entrance. I’ll probably watch this slot and it’s progression towards Pooky.

As for Pooky themselves, well. I’m not really sure where to put them. From the majority of what I seen, their agenda is just Sheeping Mena.

I think your first big post (the one with the Psyc Check thing) felt towny. I want to vote with you for now and see where it goes and see further progression towards your slot.

As for Gypyx, I don’t know.
His first post seemed like jealous of me taken his spotlight.
His other posts haven’t really done much.
I believe 3 were Filler and the other was a turn down towards your Psych Plan Bingle. (If I remember correctly.)

In post 150, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 147, Bingle wrote:
In post 143, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Explain your VFP read.
Entrance was aggressively meh, seems to be moderately around and yet is only addressing topics that don't really have substance.

I officially endorse A50 poking this with a stick.
I think their entrance was fine.
Their reaction towards A50 talking about it was also fine and not panicky as scum may be in that scenario.
Like with T3’s entrance, he added “wtf” then votes.
I mean I guess it makes sense if it’s regarding the sheeping but that’s borderline NAI, but I mean it’s not really wolfy, I also believe VFP had a better entrance but I suppose that’s a personal opinion.

In post 245, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 197, Lukewarm wrote:As for why I scumlean Professor, it was a combination of a bunch of posts.

Spoiler:
30 / 31 - he joins a joke wagon after the joke played out

35 - he blindly accepted the bingle plan that I still think is bad for town

70 - calls someone out for their rvs vote

96 - jumps on a new gypyx wagon, saying "I can get behind this" without any other information as to why he agreed with it, plus that was the first time he had mentioned gypyx

105 - still harping over T3's rvs vote

113 - this was the thing that made me iso him tbh. Blindly accepts Almost50's (I think) joke post about vfp.

Once I iso'ed him, I saw a lot of evidence that he was just following whatever other people were saying. Jumping on wagons without reason, blindly agreeing with other people when they made posts that I automatically questioned, and harping on someone's rsv vote.

None of them would have stood out individually, but when I iso'ed him there was a bunch of little things that pinged me, and no posts that made me townlean him, so I am happy with that vote for now.
1) I joined it due to Gypyx derailing when Bingle was top wagon.
2) Blindly accepting? I’ve seen that kind of thing done before and I personally have no issues with it.
3) Called them out? I was just making a sarcastic response towards their entrance post.
4) Yeah I wanted to see where it leads and and have no issues voting there as I have no reason to TR Gypyx at all, I explained why I Scum Lean them if you want to go back and read it.
5)I just think worse then Dann’s entrance. I also don’t even think Dann’s entrance is even that bad. T3’s isn’t entirely wolfy but it just isn’t a good entrance I feel.
6) When did I ever say I accept it? Let alone blindly. I just didn’t notice it can be looked that way until he pointed it out.

7)I hope I answered your concerns regarding my “little things”.

In post 253, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 250, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 245, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 197, Lukewarm wrote:As for why I scumlean Professor, it was a combination of a bunch of posts.

Spoiler:
30 / 31 - he joins a joke wagon after the joke played out

35 - he blindly accepted the bingle plan that I still think is bad for town

70 - calls someone out for their rvs vote

96 - jumps on a new gypyx wagon, saying "I can get behind this" without any other information as to why he agreed with it, plus that was the first time he had mentioned gypyx

105 - still harping over T3's rvs vote

113 - this was the thing that made me iso him tbh. Blindly accepts Almost50's (I think) joke post about vfp.

Once I iso'ed him, I saw a lot of evidence that he was just following whatever other people were saying. Jumping on wagons without reason, blindly agreeing with other people when they made posts that I automatically questioned, and harping on someone's rsv vote.

None of them would have stood out individually, but when I iso'ed him there was a bunch of little things that pinged me, and no posts that made me townlean him, so I am happy with that vote for now.
1) I joined it due to Gypyx derailing when Bingle was top wagon.
2) Blindly accepting? I’ve seen that kind of thing done before and I personally have no issues with it.
3) Called them out? I was just making a sarcastic response towards their entrance post.
4) Yeah I wanted to see where it leads and and have no issues voting there as I have no reason to TR Gypyx at all, I explained why I Scum Lean them if you want to go back and read it.
5)I just think worse then Dann’s entrance. I also don’t even think Dann’s entrance is even that bad. T3’s isn’t entirely wolfy but it just isn’t a good entrance I feel.
6) When did I ever say I accept it? Let alone blindly. I just didn’t notice it can be looked that way until he pointed it out.

7)I hope I answered your concerns regarding my “little things”.
Well are there any players that you are currently suspicious of?
Gypyx. The person I’m voting for and stated I have a Scum Lean on?
Null on you but depending on your upcoming content and opinions regarding the main focused slots (such as myself) I should have more of a solid read on you that could or could not be a type of scum read.
Still observing Pooky and T3 carefully.

In post 265, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Actually, I’m gonna change my vote to this.
He calls me out when I call out T3’s entrance as not that great and comparing it with Dann.
Then when T3 votes then he throws T3 in his SR’s.

VOTE: Lukewarm

In post 380, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Professor’s Reads

ProfessorDrapion

Bingle

Menalque

Dannflor

GrandpaMo

VFP

Almost50

PookyTheMagicalBear

T3

ManWithNoName
Pine

Gypyx

Lukewarm

In post 431, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 382, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 380, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Professor’s Reads

ProfessorDrapion

Bingle

Menalque

Dannflor

GrandpaMo

VFP

Almost50

PookyTheMagicalBear

T3

ManWithNoName
Pine

Gypyx

Lukewarm
Is this ordered? If so, what has you putting Bingle at the very top of you town reads?
Bingle has been exceptionally Townie this game. (Or at least I think so)
They come in with a big post that had lots of production of interacting with.
They seem to be coming in looking for solves rather then coming in looking for agenda.
I like Bingle’s responses he’s been giving as they feel genuine.
Here’s some posts I like:
Post #129 I liked the fact here that Bingle gave a basic rundown of what him “Bingle” would do.
Although I’ve seen Bingle play before and despite me knowing how capable he is to do this as either alignment I feel like it’s still a good look to point him towards receiving that green Rolecard.

Although I do like how he handled Grandpa Mo’s slot on Post #185 while I disagree with the opinion of dislike (as I felt Grandpa was genuine with their analysis) the response Bingle gave to Grandpa didn’t feel like scum agenda but rather Town generally disliking Grandpa’s opinion.

In case you also ask, As for Mena I was concerned with Mena’s early day 1 Bingle thing as despite it technically being a null thing It could also be considered Town motivated or be Scum agenda depending on how they go about it.
And well judging from what I’ve been seeing and how they have treated Bingle I think it comes more from a Town mindset then that off a Scum’s.
Mena’s push towards me and their vote on me felt as a genuine TvT rather then agenda SvT.
They’ve shared solid takes while some I may disagree on (Bingle/Dann) it comes from a Town PoV from how I see it.

In post 502, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I’m still thinking T3 is Town but I’m also not entirely confident in that.

this all just shows how drap felt about you t3. and honestly looking back at how u townread drap then quickly TOWARDS EOD you decide to pivot onto drap saying drap is scum.

looking at his reads, most of drap reads.. the ones that flipped town except for lukewarm are all in the green / null area.

... drap has just been focused on t3's enternace on howhe hasn't been to sure on shit while t3 just hasn't been contributing anything

honestly im confused atp.

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 2:09 am

t3 has been the only one in this game since day 1, that has been so obvious scum and no one just wants to care about him..

even a50 fucking tried, and somehow a50 is no longer with us:(

im not bout to lose to t3!scum

when half of town wasn't listening to a50 or me in day 1 . well at least we did get a vote onto drap scum but honestly i was blinded by t3 / lukewarm in the beginnning and had a consensus that lukewarm could be scum in the back of my head. but honestly seeing what/how t3 developed thru this game, is actually mindboggling. the tendencay to keep pivoting votes and blantaly sheeping. everyone here is scared to push for a t3 elim becasue they bring up a question of hey "does t3 really do this as obvious scum" this whole shit could be a wifom shit show for all we know. pls elim me tmr if im fucking wrong, but 100 percent this flips scum nd u need to trust. because t3 has been ignorning me till NOW which he finally can find a reason to omgus because he has no one other to push to but me.

that actually brings me to another point.

@t3 you call me scum, but you have been voting wit me and agreeing wit my logic for the past days.

so pls explain to me, why the all sudden change. oh i bet you wont answer this question too like all the other questions you have ignorned or deflected. that has cause the anti town behavior in you to shine.

honestly we got a jonny flip and that flipped town. lukewarm says if johnny flipped town >> t3 would be scum which i also said before him and i do agree with that statement as well.

im bout to go iso drap.

Spoiler:

In post 70, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 69, T3 wrote:WTF VOTE: pooky
Nice entrance.

In post 103, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 99, Bingle wrote:
In post 96, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Now Bingle, got any other early reads?
Mena slightly scummy, pooky low priority, your slot has tells but I need to wait for the psych evaluation result to determine if they’re scummy or towny. Dann strongest townread. I’d be voting lukewarm if I weren’t voting gypyx, but I think the gypyx wagon is more likely to be spicy atm.

You?
I liked the way Mena went about my slot when they voted me. It doesn’t seem to be “faked” per say. So I would slightly TR Mena there.

I personally like the way VFP has handled the thread. Not much content but it felt genuine. More of a gut read then anything but I trust it at least for now.

T3’s entrance wasn’t entirely bad but it was definitely not a great entrance. I’ll probably watch this slot and it’s progression towards Pooky.

As for Pooky themselves, well. I’m not really sure where to put them. From the majority of what I seen, their agenda is just Sheeping Mena.

I think your first big post (the one with the Psyc Check thing) felt towny. I want to vote with you for now and see where it goes and see further progression towards your slot.

As for Gypyx, I don’t know.
His first post seemed like jealous of me taken his spotlight.
His other posts haven’t really done much.
I believe 3 were Filler and the other was a turn down towards your Psych Plan Bingle. (If I remember correctly.)

In post 150, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 147, Bingle wrote:
In post 143, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Explain your VFP read.
Entrance was aggressively meh, seems to be moderately around and yet is only addressing topics that don't really have substance.

I officially endorse A50 poking this with a stick.
I think their entrance was fine.
Their reaction towards A50 talking about it was also fine and not panicky as scum may be in that scenario.
Like with T3’s entrance, he added “wtf” then votes.
I mean I guess it makes sense if it’s regarding the sheeping but that’s borderline NAI, but I mean it’s not really wolfy, I also believe VFP had a better entrance but I suppose that’s a personal opinion.

In post 245, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 197, Lukewarm wrote:As for why I scumlean Professor, it was a combination of a bunch of posts.

Spoiler:
30 / 31 - he joins a joke wagon after the joke played out

35 - he blindly accepted the bingle plan that I still think is bad for town

70 - calls someone out for their rvs vote

96 - jumps on a new gypyx wagon, saying "I can get behind this" without any other information as to why he agreed with it, plus that was the first time he had mentioned gypyx

105 - still harping over T3's rvs vote

113 - this was the thing that made me iso him tbh. Blindly accepts Almost50's (I think) joke post about vfp.

Once I iso'ed him, I saw a lot of evidence that he was just following whatever other people were saying. Jumping on wagons without reason, blindly agreeing with other people when they made posts that I automatically questioned, and harping on someone's rsv vote.

None of them would have stood out individually, but when I iso'ed him there was a bunch of little things that pinged me, and no posts that made me townlean him, so I am happy with that vote for now.
1) I joined it due to Gypyx derailing when Bingle was top wagon.
2) Blindly accepting? I’ve seen that kind of thing done before and I personally have no issues with it.
3) Called them out? I was just making a sarcastic response towards their entrance post.
4) Yeah I wanted to see where it leads and and have no issues voting there as I have no reason to TR Gypyx at all, I explained why I Scum Lean them if you want to go back and read it.
5)I just think worse then Dann’s entrance. I also don’t even think Dann’s entrance is even that bad. T3’s isn’t entirely wolfy but it just isn’t a good entrance I feel.
6) When did I ever say I accept it? Let alone blindly. I just didn’t notice it can be looked that way until he pointed it out.

7)I hope I answered your concerns regarding my “little things”.

In post 253, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 250, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 245, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 197, Lukewarm wrote:As for why I scumlean Professor, it was a combination of a bunch of posts.

Spoiler:
30 / 31 - he joins a joke wagon after the joke played out

35 - he blindly accepted the bingle plan that I still think is bad for town

70 - calls someone out for their rvs vote

96 - jumps on a new gypyx wagon, saying "I can get behind this" without any other information as to why he agreed with it, plus that was the first time he had mentioned gypyx

105 - still harping over T3's rvs vote

113 - this was the thing that made me iso him tbh. Blindly accepts Almost50's (I think) joke post about vfp.

Once I iso'ed him, I saw a lot of evidence that he was just following whatever other people were saying. Jumping on wagons without reason, blindly agreeing with other people when they made posts that I automatically questioned, and harping on someone's rsv vote.

None of them would have stood out individually, but when I iso'ed him there was a bunch of little things that pinged me, and no posts that made me townlean him, so I am happy with that vote for now.
1) I joined it due to Gypyx derailing when Bingle was top wagon.
2) Blindly accepting? I’ve seen that kind of thing done before and I personally have no issues with it.
3) Called them out? I was just making a sarcastic response towards their entrance post.
4) Yeah I wanted to see where it leads and and have no issues voting there as I have no reason to TR Gypyx at all, I explained why I Scum Lean them if you want to go back and read it.
5)I just think worse then Dann’s entrance. I also don’t even think Dann’s entrance is even that bad. T3’s isn’t entirely wolfy but it just isn’t a good entrance I feel.
6) When did I ever say I accept it? Let alone blindly. I just didn’t notice it can be looked that way until he pointed it out.

7)I hope I answered your concerns regarding my “little things”.
Well are there any players that you are currently suspicious of?
Gypyx. The person I’m voting for and stated I have a Scum Lean on?
Null on you but depending on your upcoming content and opinions regarding the main focused slots (such as myself) I should have more of a solid read on you that could or could not be a type of scum read.
Still observing Pooky and T3 carefully.

In post 265, ProfessorDrapion wrote:Actually, I’m gonna change my vote to this.
He calls me out when I call out T3’s entrance as not that great and comparing it with Dann.
Then when T3 votes then he throws T3 in his SR’s.

VOTE: Lukewarm

In post 380, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Professor’s Reads

ProfessorDrapion

Bingle

Menalque

Dannflor

GrandpaMo

VFP

Almost50

PookyTheMagicalBear

T3

ManWithNoName
Pine

Gypyx

Lukewarm

In post 431, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 382, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 380, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
Professor’s Reads

ProfessorDrapion

Bingle

Menalque

Dannflor

GrandpaMo

VFP

Almost50

PookyTheMagicalBear

T3

ManWithNoName
Pine

Gypyx

Lukewarm
Is this ordered? If so, what has you putting Bingle at the very top of you town reads?
Bingle has been exceptionally Townie this game. (Or at least I think so)
They come in with a big post that had lots of production of interacting with.
They seem to be coming in looking for solves rather then coming in looking for agenda.
I like Bingle’s responses he’s been giving as they feel genuine.
Here’s some posts I like:
Post #129 I liked the fact here that Bingle gave a basic rundown of what him “Bingle” would do.
Although I’ve seen Bingle play before and despite me knowing how capable he is to do this as either alignment I feel like it’s still a good look to point him towards receiving that green Rolecard.

Although I do like how he handled Grandpa Mo’s slot on Post #185 while I disagree with the opinion of dislike (as I felt Grandpa was genuine with their analysis) the response Bingle gave to Grandpa didn’t feel like scum agenda but rather Town generally disliking Grandpa’s opinion.

In case you also ask, As for Mena I was concerned with Mena’s early day 1 Bingle thing as despite it technically being a null thing It could also be considered Town motivated or be Scum agenda depending on how they go about it.
And well judging from what I’ve been seeing and how they have treated Bingle I think it comes more from a Town mindset then that off a Scum’s.
Mena’s push towards me and their vote on me felt as a genuine TvT rather then agenda SvT.
They’ve shared solid takes while some I may disagree on (Bingle/Dann) it comes from a Town PoV from how I see it.

In post 502, ProfessorDrapion wrote:I’m still thinking T3 is Town but I’m also not entirely confident in that.

this all just shows how drap felt about you t3. and honestly looking back at how u townread drap then quickly TOWARDS EOD you decide to pivot onto drap saying drap is scum.

looking at his reads, most of drap reads.. the ones that flipped town except for lukewarm are all in the green / null area.

... drap has just been focused on t3's enternace on howhe hasn't been to sure on shit while t3 just hasn't been contributing anything

honestly im confused atp.

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 2:09 am

sorry double post; lag.

also broken spoiler tag, so sorry

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:13 am

In post 1544, T3 wrote:The sudden change was the strange cc. I think what you're saying about the pr vt claiming makes sense, actually. I guess I had some bias because you've been pushing me the entire game. And actually now that I think about it, the fact that you weren't voting Drap D1 is towny. Because at that point if you were scum then you would have voted Drap. About the eod vote by me at this point you'll just have to take my word for it that I thought he was null and then reread. Also, Dannflor was one of my biggest defenders Day 1. Dannflor then dies. I have no reason to kill Dannflor, it only hurts me.

In post 1546, T3 wrote:Mena didn't do anything because of rl stuff, then comes back and pushes someone who is now confirmed town.

In post 1548, T3 wrote:Gypyx Drap interactions are towny.

THANK U T3 HOLY SHIT I FUCKING LOVE U.

I HAVENT ACTUALLY ANAYLYZED ANYTHING YET BUT THANK U

THIS MADE MY DAY

like u just now contributed ur reads to this game, ur 3 days late !!! its okay tho i will excuse the tardiness IF AND ONLY IF they are good reads

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:34 am

so reading this thoroughly, you actually have some of same thoughts as me.

honestly, this is what i was waiting from you t3. because yes i do agree i have been blindly tunneling you; and it could just have been the same sitatuion with lukewarm where i tunneled them for a first bit.

but this whole thing could have been focused to set it up to get you condemned. and that is what i was scared about on day 3. HOWEVER, everyone pivoted on to Johnny. And so now I have paranoia on the back of my head, hey do I push this here ( in which i ultimately decided to do in the earlier post where u responed to ) or do i just sit back again another day (which is what i did on day 3).

So I am in a mixed spot about you, like I really want to get you right that you are scum because everything just points to you-- but again this whole thing could have been set up in a way where you look bad.

I have the same exact thoughts on Bingle and Mena.

but i do have some questions if you are willing to answer.

In post 1544, T3 wrote:The sudden change was the strange cc. I think what you're saying about the pr vt claiming makes sense, actually. I guess I had some bias because you've been pushing me the entire game.

so then why did you call me scum? or did you just think about it now?

And actually now that I think about it, the fact that you weren't voting Drap D1 is towny. Because at that point if you were scum then you would have voted Drap.
yea i want to make that claim as well, and im like if i was mafia, why would i defend scum so hard here especially considering when i could have gotten towncred-- but i tried to ignore saying that claim just because it can be used as wifom against me.

About the eod vote by me at this point you'll just have to take my word for it that I thought he was null and then reread.
that's one of reasons why i thought u were scum, because of that pivot. do you think i would have been scum if all of a sudden i defend drap then be like oh drap is scum then proceed to vote them?

Also, Dannflor was one of my biggest defenders Day 1. Dannflor then dies. I have no reason to kill Dannflor, it only hurts me.
i actually hate this quote here. as scum you would want to kill the people who townread you. and now you saying that and actually pointing that out --- because i never pointed that out until now, but now you saying that actually makes you look bad.

In post 1545, T3 wrote:Bingle's mechtalk was towny but that's it.
i agree with this; this is why i have a STRONG null read on bingle, however im town leaning them for right now since i have a solve.

NM claimed vt, other than that idk but he hammered Drap.
same thing with bingle, but this is more a stronger rtownlean on nm, but there is actually something to scumread them of. if i am believing what bingle says about NM then this would make NM town; however there is a possibility scumpair could be Bingle and NM hence why the game has been hard to read since those two have been backing each other up and everyone just tagged along townreading both -- deep wolf type game as VFP would say:(

In post 1546, T3 wrote:Mena didn't do anything because of rl stuff, then comes back and pushes someone who is now confirmed town.
i was thinking the scumpair could be you + mena atp. wait, do you scumread mena?

because thru these reads, you townread me, gypyx, nm. and null read (sorta townlean?) bingle and scumread mena? is that correct?

In post 1548, T3 wrote:Gypyx Drap interactions are towny.

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:36 am

forgot to add that i agree with post 1548^^

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:40 am

In post 1552, GrandpaMo wrote:forgot to add that i agree with post 1548^^

regarding drap being towny--

i think you meant gypyx. but in that interaction i thought gypyx was way more scummier.

i let go of gypyx because since i had everyone who was town townreading them.

but when it gets in mylo sitatuions like this or whatever it is .

then im down to put everyone back on null and view them again from another perception

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 7:04 am

In post 1554, T3 wrote:I think I would have scumread you for that.
Yeah, those are my reads.

what do you think bout nm + bingle?

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 7:05 am

im not used to this t3; im too privileged for u

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 8:14 am

In post 1557, T3 wrote:
In post 1555, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1554, T3 wrote:I think I would have scumread you for that.
Yeah, those are my reads.
what do you think bout nm + bingle?
It's definitely a viable scumteam. Bingle was reallyonly town for mechtalk, then there was Bingle's hammer on johnny. The real question is does scum NM do this much effort.

i believed bingle's talk on how nm is town because of the effort they gave.

what effort? im confused

and i think @bingle you never answered this question, idk if u missed it or ur not here.

but can u explain specifically wym

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 8:16 am

In post 1559, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1557, T3 wrote:
In post 1555, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1554, T3 wrote:I think I would have scumread you for that.
Yeah, those are my reads.
what do you think bout nm + bingle?
It's definitely a viable scumteam. Bingle was reallyonly town for mechtalk, then there was Bingle's hammer on johnny. The real question is does scum NM do this much effort.
i believed bingle's talk on how nm is town because of the effort they gave.

what effort? im confused

and i think @bingle you never answered this question, idk if u missed it or ur not here.

but can u explain specifically wym

i meant to say "but looking back at it, and truly analyzing what bingle said, what effort...***

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 3:50 pm

In post 1561, Bingle wrote:
In post 1528, Bingle wrote:
In post 1521, GrandpaMo wrote:You think NM put effort?
On a scale adjusted for meta, NM is unironically the highest effort slot in the game and effort is actually town indicative for him ime.

still dont get what this means. it makes no sense. you can't compare effort to everyone in the game to just to show how "towny" he is. everyone has their own playstyle of effort. see like you could be scum putting in this effort. i would argue that at this point lukewarm has put in more effort than nm. you would probably dissent and argue that you were comparing to NM's meta >>> but then you saying "highest effort slot in the game" contradicts that. do you understand? can you help me make me understand unless ur spitting out weird fake bs.

In post 1563, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1557, T3 wrote:The real question is does scum NM do this much effort.
NM is at IC levels of effort

what does ic mean

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 4:24 pm

In post 1566, Bingle wrote:IC is innocent child = confirmed town.

I'm also not comparing N_M to anyone in this game. I'm comparing Not Mafia to Not Mafia in other games. He's town, and I'd bet the game on it. And at least one other town player has the experience to be able to say that.

Anyone who says N_M could be scum here either has never played with N_M or is themselves scum.

well jeez i just wanted to know what u mean. u still kinda didnt answer my question; it leads me to ask, then why say that in the first place yk? like if you say you aren't comparing to meta when you clearly said "to meta" that you know he is town because (it implies) that this how he plays in other games.

forget NM's allignment here in the question.

i just want to know what you are saying because now you are saying a completely different thing than what you had at first? unless i misunderstood.

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 5:49 pm

In post 1568, Bingle wrote:Adjusting N_M's amount of effort this game to the amount of effort N_M usually puts into games, he has comparatively put more effort into the game than any two other slots combined. This is not at all a joke. Remember, Mena wanted to PL him and asked if he was going to actually play this game when he repped in.

1st what is ur definition of effort, because we have 2 different defintions here

2nd; again, it looks like u are comparing him to from your past perception of NM (usually from past games) so why r u saying u weren't?

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 5:52 pm

In post 1564, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im just waiting for mena to find the inner wolf inside him to come at me with a cc and really big balls it

In post 1569, Menalque wrote:*sigh*

VOTE: mena

Release me from this mortal coil

Best guess? T3 + NM but honestly I’m not super sure

My exceedingly lazy logic is:

Pooky clear

Grandpamo I’m just effort clearing basically

Gypyx something something D1 stuff seemed like he wasn’t scum so let’s just stick with that but the way he’s dropped off the face of the earth is ~worrying~

Bingle could easily be scum and is where I think I’m most likely wrong

T3 seems like obvscum at this point and if he and I are both town I think we’re doomed anyway

NM I’m thinking is scum for the way that he’s been targeting people who want T3 like with his vote on grandpa today, reminds me of what he did in PyP when I was calling him scum and trying to get him limmed and his response was to just naked vote the skitt/me hydra day after day

mena doesn't cc -- and finds t3 and bingle as scum and probably NM as an associate read ( u can correct me if im wrong mena; im just assuming that since u voted bingle) >> how do you feel now?

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 5:54 pm

In post 1572, Menalque wrote:My logic is that bingle + NM is also very viable here and if by some miracle T3 is town and I don’t get misyeeted today this might be the route to a win

Alternatively if T3!scum I reckon I have better odds of beating him in 3p lylo than I do NM or bingle, whichever is his partner

honestly im stuck. everyoen is just at everyone.

i paired you + t3.

the fact that you aren't voting t3; concerns me.

you could possilby have t3 in ur scumread, just to get towncred if we do end up bwing t3

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:00 pm

In post 1575, Menalque wrote:
In post 1573, GrandpaMo wrote:and finds t3 and bingle as scum and probably NM as an associate read
My solve is actually slightly more NM + T3 than T3 + bingle, but i find bingle’s insistence that NM must be town here and to suggest otherwise is scumclaiming bizarreovich and I’d rather bet the game on NM + Bingle atp

confirmed town pooky townread nm as well no?

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:02 pm

In post 1576, Menalque wrote:Like here’s my perspective on T3, mo:

T3 v likely scum, if I vote T3 and he flips scum, cool — I prob get flipped tomorrow and bingleboi/NM faceoff in 3p

But if T3 town, and this is reasonably plausible given that he seems to be incredibly mislim baity from a quick meta glance, then voting T3 here is a guaranteed loss bc there’s basically no way for me to not be limmed tomorrow

So I’d rather roll the dice on one of the other two I think is likely to be scum — if I’m right, that maybe let’s us win tomo. Or if I’m wrong tomo, at least I have a chance of not insta losing the 3p lylo

that's literally what me, a50, and lukewarm have been saying for the whole game (mostly me)

if he was considered lim bait then why did the vote pivot on day 3?????

T3 was gonna get hammered / bwed then we all of a sudden pivoted on to johnny including me. and i voted johnny for the sole reason of info and i thought taht if johnny flips scum, t3 is clear.

if johnny flips town, t3 is scum.

i tried to push that narrative this early day however, no one wanted to bring it to attention.

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:05 pm

i gave t3 a chance mid day 2 and actually right now-- because they seem to actually conform when asked politely.

i have gotten the info i need from t3; and hoenstly im just confused... and i really just want a lim from either you or t3.

because i believe there is one hard strong scum in between that.

and one hard strong deep scumread in bingle, nm

hey it could just be u and t3 but idk atp

i just want my fellow monkies back

what happened to the animal squad im scared and lost now

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:08 pm

In post 1582, Menalque wrote:If you’re scum kudos because you clearly care more than anyone else about winning this game, I had u p much cleared apart from that CC but honestly that’s just WIFOM anyway and was prob unnecessary for scum!you

i do that shit all the time; its nai, scumread it for me idc.

i retracted nd explained why i did it.

i will continue to cc prs now, its fun and stimulates the game.

you see how t3 finally contributed when i cced?

lmfao honestly atp, if i was scum, i would just let town win here because its sad and depressing here

and yes ur first point is valid and that's why im questioning bingle's flawed ass logic that is frustrating me and more more that either a. i dont understand it or b. bingle's logic is actually just bs

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:09 pm

In post 1583, Menalque wrote:
In post 1580, GrandpaMo wrote:if he was considered lim bait then why did the vote pivot on day 3?????
Put simply — to conserve the slot for an easy lylo win, I can find an example where I did this as scum in the past if you like, give me 2 mins

Basically, if you can swing the mislim from one town to another then it dooms the first one even more if they’re still around in lylo. This worked so effectlvely in the game I’m gonna link that that player (who was mechcleared) still got voted over me in 3p lylo

gosh ur acting like bingle and i hate it

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:10 pm

In post 1584, Menalque wrote:Of course, T3 can also just be scum, the problem is lack of lims left

If you wanna go T3 today + me tomo if he does flip scum that’s fine

The only thing I want is that if it’s T3!town today that we roll one of bingle/NM tomo instead

r we in cylo/ mylo /lylo/ xulo whatever that shit is called

like how many elims we got

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:12 pm

i genuinely love this conversation; because it actually feeels like idk how to epxlain it but we are on the same page tryna figure shit out? well at least thtats how im feeling idk im weird

this interaction feels too towny to be true and im paranoid again

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:15 pm

In post 1589, Menalque wrote:Look at D2 of this game, mo:

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=82048

Emps/micc slot looks doomed going in

Then I switch to pushing pine instead while my buddy(bji) largely stays on him, before switching at the EoD

Then for other reasons there always seemed to be a slightly better flip than micc each following day and I took him all the way to lylo for the win. Still one of my prouder moments tbh

fuck now ur reminding me of jv in my first newbie game -- did the same exact thing and phrasing. holy shit u might be town.

giv me 1 sec to check it out

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:19 pm

In post 1589, Menalque wrote:Look at D2 of this game, mo:

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=82048

Emps/micc slot looks doomed going in

Then I switch to pushing pine instead while my buddy(bji) largely stays on him, before switching at the EoD

Then for other reasons there always seemed to be a slightly better flip than micc each following day and I took him all the way to lylo for the win. Still one of my prouder moments tbh

Post #4123 -- just read that.

wtf mena, where is that energy this game??

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:20 pm

In post 1594, Menalque wrote:Also, by JV do you mean jacksonvirgo lmao?

yea lmao

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:22 pm

In post 1592, Menalque wrote:
In post 1585, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1582, Menalque wrote:If you’re scum kudos because you clearly care more than anyone else about winning this game, I had u p much cleared apart from that CC but honestly that’s just WIFOM anyway and was prob unnecessary for scum!you
i do that shit all the time; its nai, scumread it for me idc.

i retracted nd explained why i did it.

i will continue to cc prs now, its fun and stimulates the game.

you see how t3 finally contributed when i cced?

lmfao honestly atp, if i was scum, i would just let town win here because its sad and depressing here

and yes ur first point is valid and that's why im questioning bingle's flawed ass logic that is frustrating me and more more that either a. i dont understand it or b. bingle's logic is actually just bs
I’m still quite ill and I don’t have the mental energy to try to go through however many levels of WIFOM I’d need to to decide if it’s more likely from scum!you or town!you so I’m just townbinning you because with the numbers whittled down this much you seem like you genuinely want to solve the game?

But also, and don’t take this the wrong way, but also that you kinda express yourself weirdly/wordily enough that it’s hard for you to really build momentum on people which makes you probably not so threatening that you should be dead by now if you were town

honestly i think thats why im kept alive x.x

and yea take as much time as u need cuz honestly, i think as a top poster, ive done a lot.

nd gave my perspective/ input as town. it is up to the rest of the town to figure out if im bsing or not bsing / geninune.

scumread me but scumread me with good logic / reasoning as i always say

GrandpaMo · Sun May 23, 2021 6:23 pm

wait i just realized sum, u can answer this at ur time ; but how is my cc wifom? when i state out the options already?

im gts now, goodnight why does this feel like a discord talk now

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:00 am

In post 1664, Menalque wrote:Rn I’m at

T3 > gypyx > you/NM > mo

im assuming that once t3 flips scum you think its gypyx?

because u told me u think its t3 + nd u/nm or sum shit

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:00 am

In post 1673, Not_Mafia wrote:Menalque why the Grandpa Mo townread?

u still havent answered my question rip

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:07 am

In post 1672, Bingle wrote:
In post 1523, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1393, GrandpaMo wrote:also @bingle isnt it better to see who mafia kills during night 4? think about it...

the likelehood of t3 flipping scum here is high..

ELIM SCUM: we assume t3 flips scum >>> it becomes 1:5 during day 4 >>> 1:3 during day 5 >>> (NO ELIM) >>> 1:2 during day 6.

ELIM TOWN: we assume t3 flips town >>> it becomes 2:4 during day 4 >>> (NO ELIM) >>> 2:3 during day 5

NO ELIM: (NO ELIM) >>> it becomes 2:5 during day 4 >>> 2:3 during day 5

no eliming and eliming a town this day is practically the same. however the difference is that there is a possibility for t3 to roll scum and that goes for any elim we do today since we can't no elim already having doing so today or mafia would win. it also gives us better insight on the night 4 kill, questioning who would mafia kill here.

i think i rather have the mafia figure out to kill between towncore players that have been townread all this game (and this would make the kill now based on associates and question why did they make that kill) not ppl like pooky/mena/t3 who have had sum doubts bout other ppl.
@bingle
Theory cap time, then I'm going to bed.

No. The point of no limming into odds is this: There are fewer suspects to be considered.
It has been shown empirically that the number of suspects to be considered is far more impactful on a game of mafia than the number of town voices available
. This is the reason that games with arsonist scum tend to be far more scumsided than normal, even with the possibility of accidentally netting an extra mislim via limming primed town players. It is very rarely the case that a town voice is worth premature burnination.

The presumption that T3 was clearly the lim yesterday is utterly meaningless, because the odds T3 was the lim yesterday are objectively lower than the odds T3 is the lim today. If T3 is the scummiest player, T3 probably gets yeeted regardless of which day it is. What happened with the no lim is that the odds of an A50 lim were split between the remaining living players.

With a vast oversimplification of subjective reads, we went from 2/7 to hit scum to 2/6 to hit scum, still with a projected 0 ICs in XLO.

i disagree... because everyone was ignorning t3 -- and that's come from subjective like you said. the vote was split ; and half of the town today either now wants mena, me, t3 or idk atp but someone that isn't really majorly focused on t3 if that makes sense. what u said in bolded is i agree but i ask u this then why was a50 killed at night? did it effect the game right now? would you have considered a50!scum - etc. questions like that on figuring the outcome of the game; it really doesn't matter till make today where i proposed a no lim if we condemnned yesterday. we get t3 out yesterday, who do you think mafia kills now? psych just outs day 5 assuming they aren't dead -- we have a WAY better chance on finding scum imo since now we got a confirmed in lylo .

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:08 am

In post 1499, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1498, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Grandpa Mo
interesting vote, how come?

@nm this :/

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:08 am

im just curious from ur pov thats all ...

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:11 am

In post 1528, Bingle wrote:
In post 1521, GrandpaMo wrote:You think NM put effort?

On a scale adjusted for meta
, NM is unironically the highest effort slot in the game and effort is actually town indicative for him ime.

In post 1566, Bingle wrote:IC is innocent child = confirmed town.

I'm also not comparing N_M to anyone in this game.
I'm comparing Not Mafia to Not Mafia in other games.
He's town, and I'd bet the game on it. And at least one other town player has the experience to be able to say that.

Anyone who says N_M could be scum here either has never played with N_M or is themselves scum.

In post 1610, Bingle wrote:
In post 1571, GrandpaMo wrote:2nd; again, it looks like u are comparing him to from your past perception of NM (usually from past games) so why r u saying u weren't?

I am 100% comparing N_M to past games.
That's literally what I said. I am saying anyone with any amount of experience with N_M can tell you N_M has put more effort into this game than any scumgame he's played. Look at Mena's characterization of N_M's scumgame. Naked voting random townies (not a hyperbolic statement). Compare that to N_M aggressively (by the standard of N_M) pushing flipped scum.

this what got me confused in bolded

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:12 am

omg... this whole time i thought it said im not comparing not mafia

holy fuck @nm ur name got me fucked up xD

im so sorry bingle, i was misunderstanding u this whole time

ok ok that makes so much sense -- it confused so much more when u said post 1566, i thought u were saying a different thing

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 7:15 am

In post 1685, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1684, Menalque wrote:
In post 1673, Not_Mafia wrote:Menalque why the Grandpa Mo townread?
idk bro he feels like he's solving or he did the other page when he was talking to me

y u disagree

although I guess we could compromise and kill gypyx
Is he though? He’s certainly asking a lot of questions

have u seen my town game i did in my first newbie game, as well as open 809 oh and also the microgame i was in -- all flipped town -- all played the same style of asking questions of tryna solve. im honestly confused and trying now to see how people see other people in their perception. i focused on MY own perception through out day 1 - 2, backed off day 3 and now is conforming with other people on day 4. so far it has been working because now I finally got T3 to contribute as well now others finally giving their input.

ik u didnt like johnny but ur acting like him and its a contrast to A50's playstyle.

I think by far, I have to say A50 is the most enjoyable person to play with including pooky + mena who are also likeable. I know this is random but it brought me to a point I had to make.

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 7:17 am

Now pertaining to my logic propose on day 2, major revisions have to made and I will finally have come up with a conclusion on where I am at. This is due to the nature that A50 flipped town and Pooky is now confirmed.

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 7:19 am

I will be posting an analytical post soon giving my own perception once again. I think I have gotten enough info to make a judgment call.

@NM You will see why I asked the specific questions I asked. Even towards T3 - the person who I scumread. As well as Mena - The person who I paired scum with.

Also @Bingle I never forgot about the analysis on your past games.

Yes I read upon some recent games -- And I will have a post soon regarding that (maybe in the same post).

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 7:23 am

In post 1684, Menalque wrote:
In post 1673, Not_Mafia wrote:Menalque why the Grandpa Mo townread?
idk bro he feels like he's solving or he did the other page when he was talking to me

y u disagree

although I guess we could compromise and kill gypyx

I don't like what you said in bolded. Tone feels off-

Also when has NM said they scumread gypyx? I thought I was just being scumread based on individuality.

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 7:24 am

In post 1689, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1688, GrandpaMo wrote:I think I have gotten enough info to make a judgment call.
I'm town

Yea you are.

But there is a way to find that out that you are town that no one has mentioned yet.

Not anything that has been said by anyone so far.

And it's really fascinating because its get so complex and confusing especially regarding POVs and how the game works.

I will explain more in the post.

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 7:25 am

Sorry spoiler alert ^^^

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GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:51 pm

holy shit... wtf did i come back to

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:52 pm

honestly i have not pay attentioned to Gypyx AT ALL and that was because i found other ppl scummy in that instance ... but since gypyx is a point of interest now (i was going to focus on him tmr) then i can evaluate my stance on him

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:55 pm

In post 1726, Bingle wrote:I definitely want to see what gypyx has to say here more than Mo's analysis, tbh.

Mo, can you save your analysis as a draft and post it after gypyx posts?

uh... i was gonna do it during the night if im still alive by then

because i actually wanted to hear from gypyx

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 12:58 pm

In post 1705, T3 wrote:I skimmed through Gypyxs ISO in electocollege mafia and this is a hard VOTE: gypyx

In post 1722, Menalque wrote:NM fits as scum with basically anyone other than mo

T3 fits as scum with basically anyone other than mo

Mo can only be scum with gypyx I think?

Bingle only scum with NM

i sorta agree wit this.

i disagree with the last part. bingle only scum with nm.

i can see how i could be possible scum with gypyx since lack of internations but i explained why

but once gpyyx comes back -- you can decipher this.

i still want to solve t3 / you mena honestly.

t3 starting to townread you is honestly tripping me up.

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 1:00 pm

In post 1701, Bingle wrote:I found the gypyx town case I thought had merit. Johnny said him not realizing drap was not a newbie was town indicative.

oh yea this was also another reason why i didnt focus on gypyx; i just trusted conftown after flip

GrandpaMo · Mon May 24, 2021 1:49 pm

there is a specific interaction from bingle/ mena that i want to talk about

i will respond to it later tonight

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 3:04 am

omg so who wants to give them the tea

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 3:16 am

In post 1742, Ydrasse wrote:yes sisters!

i’m at work atm so have minimal expectations until tonight

i also expect for you to respond to everything that has happened against you + the scumcase against you.

also react to you being paired with me || im looking for a specific reaction.

also to read your iso.

as well as look at early interactions day 1 - day 2.

you can skip day 3 imo, but that can give the sense and pivot onto johnny.

then follow up on day 4.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 4:14 am

In post 1635, Bingle wrote:Like, objectively, if he's scum he's played a solid ass game, no doubt. On the other hand there's a bunch of little things that ping. I find it hard to believe he doesn't understand why his style of rhetoric is ineffective. His response to "Your townread on me is for bad reasons" was "I'm townreading you for pointing out that my townread on you is for bad reasons." When I noped the fuck out of the thread and refused to help, he didn't get frustrated or try to convince me to help or push me he just kind of... let it happen and then quietly pivoted into "Maybe Bingle scum?" He hard defended Drap for really bad reasons.

Nothing in there is lockscum. I can see exactly why town GPa might have done it. But there's enough substance that I'm not going to assume he's town and call it a day.

"hard to believe he doesn't understand why his style of rhetoric is ineffective." uh I thought I provided much info / input as town. And will continue to do so through analytical posts/wall posts and this is because if scum decided to scumcase me and guess what they haven't read, I can go ahead and tell them I said it in here somewhere. It is your job to read; if you don't read oh well -- just don't scumcase me for something I already addressed in the post or now that is deemed NAI. Also that second part; there is two scenarios; your either town that didn't understand me and needed to understand what I was doing or guided or scum actually coming up with BS things. At that time, I townread you for the first scenario. Also wasn't it obvious I was a tad bit mad? I had a whole post ranting about you not even here lol -- but I don't know what has to do with anyone's alignment. I hard defended Drap because of my reasonings -- I gave proof on why/what happened and explained more how that could have came from a town mindset. I am not going to change my mind on this. I was wrong, I admit and that was probably for the sole reason I really wanted a T3 elim. My reasonings still stand.

In post 1638, Menalque wrote:Ugh I’m really gonna have to go back and read the second half of D1 aren’t I

I thought you already did. No reason to skip that especially considering since you said you were gonna try and catch up.

My impression has been, from the way things worked out, that scum were p okay with drap going down. It doesn’t seem worth it to hard defend him really if you’re scum vs to just bus and get cred and then sus anyone off wagon for a good couple of days?

That was my whole rhetoric on day 2. I never vocally expressed this because like I said to T3, it would demonize my credibility as town. But yes this is true. As scum, I could have and would have easily bussed there to get town cred -- too bad I can't show you any scum games where I did this but in my old platform, I bus all the time for easy towncred since half of the time I usually am lazy as scum.

I don’t find the “ur tr on me is for bad reasons” being met by “well u pointed that out which is towny” to be particularly egregious— in fact, I have clear memories of doing this (foolishly) with skitter in some of our first games together. Of course, she was right (the tr was for bad reasons) and it was pure chance that she was scum that first game (as I learned to my chagrin when she hard pocketed me in another game by calling out my tr on her as being for bad reasons when she was scum) but the broader point I’m trying to get across is that when you’re a newbie to the site I think this is a very common cognitive slip to make

I don't think I cognitively slipped. It's more like I didn't provided enough information -- and that's partly my fault for you not to understand why. However, I do believe I have stated why in one post but probably not in depth.

In post 1639, Menalque wrote:
In post 1636, Bingle wrote:
In post 1633, Menalque wrote:The only options are (T3, NM, gypyx) and none of those seem particularly likely
I agree that it's probably not T3/Mo. I don't think it's you or N_M either. That leaves Mo as only scum with gypyx. Why isn't Gypyx/Mo a possibility to you?
I mean, as I said, the (mo, gypyx) one is the only one I think is possible but it’s less about possible and more about probable — I think this game feels a lot like a double bus game. It reminds me of 2119, and there’s a reason I linked that to mo. But mostly I just... really am not seeing mo as scum rn? I don’t feel like he needs to bother engaging with me at all really, I’m not particularly scary this game and I’m an easy miselim (I think). With pooky probably wanting me dead regardless, what’s the incentive for a gypyx/mo team to not just support me dying today, then kill pooky, and then probably have a p easy final day limming T3? (But where you and NM would also be viable possibilities)

Scum me would have done either two things -- CC pooky and never retract, and let my scum partner carry since I get lazy doing work towards xylo

OR scumcase you, get a perhaps elim on you, townread T3 day 5 and push the narrative of bingle / NM and this is because T3 is very very viable to getting pocketed. I have noticed that T3 changes a lot and sheeps a lot after being talked to 1v1. So you use him as a pocket vote w/ scum partner and win.

But I am not doing any of those-- yes that's a lot of wifom you can debate. But oh well, I still want to get a flip on T3 because I have been pushing this since day 1 -- Luke has pushed it -- A50 has pushed it -- And I am not going to lose to T3!scum. This flip gives a lot of info regardless of alignment in my opinion.

Also stop using my secondary solve like you made it up (bingle + nm) -- half of this game people were sheeping me yet I am scum

In post 1637, Bingle wrote:Also, for the sake of optimization, I'd like to know how you ruled out me/Mo.
If the scumteam plan for today is “let’s both pocket mena for shits and gigs even tho we don’t need to” then uh, okay

Mo feels like he’s solving. You sort of do too but I put less stock in it from you because I have more trust that you’re able to simulate solviness as scum

So basically what you are saying is that you ruled me / bingle out because you townread me and you think Bingle could be doing this as scum?

I feel like FYPOV, you should have ruled out on the basis of the interactions we had day 2. Or even not rule us out -- as those interactions could have been act as well as Bingle could be hard carrying me right now.

Also, where did you get the idea I am hard pocketing / townreading you or even Bingle or were you just implying this.

In post 1642, Bingle wrote:
In post 1638, Menalque wrote:I don’t find the “ur tr on me is for bad reasons” being met by “well u pointed that out which is towny” to be particularly egregious— in fact, I have clear memories of doing this (foolishly) with skitter in some of our first games together. Of course, she was right (the tr was for bad reasons) and it was pure chance that she was scum that first game (as I learned to my chagrin when she hard pocketed me in another game by calling out my tr on her as being for bad reasons when she was scum) but the broader point I’m trying to get across is that when you’re a newbie to the site I think this is a very common cognitive slip to make
Fair. The point I was making though is that I can 100% see this as being Mo who is leaning into the "I'm a newbie and don't know any better" to get away with it. It's very tinfoily, but that's exactly how I won my first 3-4 scumgames before people started recognizing that I knew more than I was letting on about how mafia worked.

Eh, too bad I can't show you any scum games I have played neither you can get a precedent after this however that goes with the game of Mafia where half of the reads/reasonings is based in game and half of the other reads is based on meta. However, if you meet someone you met before, 2/3 of the reads on them will be on game and 1/3 of the reads will be hypotheticals or let's say comparisons. You play different than me-- way different, I don't know if you play the same way you did when your first game happened as scum. Playstyles do adapt and change with new perceptions coming to view and new realizations coming into play.

In post 1644, Bingle wrote:
In post 1639, Menalque wrote:I mean, as I said, the (mo, gypyx) one is the only one I think is possible but it’s less about possible and more about probable — I think this game feels a lot like a double bus game. It reminds me of 2119, and there’s a reason I linked that to mo. But mostly I just... really am not seeing mo as scum rn? I don’t feel like he needs to bother engaging with me at all really, I’m not particularly scary this game and I’m an easy miselim (I think). With pooky probably wanting me dead regardless, what’s the incentive for a gypyx/mo team to not just support me dying today, then kill pooky, and then probably have a p easy final day limming T3? (But where you and NM would also be viable possibilities)
FMPOV I'm 100% willing to just say If GypTown -> MoTown

and consider Mo off the table for today, if that helps any. I can see the same being fine for you.

I'm also struggling to see a pairing for you, although I doubt anyone else would take us as a pair off the table.

Is the pairing with Gypyx, because of POE? Just curious.

And also I see a possible pair with T3 -- only if T3 flips scum.

I am thinking about this scenerio of like, Mena could be spitting all this WIFOM talk on how they want T3 dead and you get more towncred as bussing. I think if Mena was bussing, they would bus T3 here. Because now you will be probably never looked at again, and most probable town. Especially considering the game you showed me Mena, after reviewing it haha, you have very high possibility of doing the same thing as you did where it starts to get intense in solo scum.

And if T3 allignment is town -- Mena could be possibly paired with Gypyx.

This scenario happens if Mena continues to push for the vote on T3 and T3 flips town -- they have said they will reconsider everything on me if T3 flips town -- this could be a possible setup. Think about it, Mena listed this voting pattern "T3 > Gypyx > Nm/Bingle > Me I think" But after knowing T3 is town, instead of pushing Gypyx, they push me and get an elim on me and win the game. and avoid elimming Gypyx at all cost on day 4 - day 5 because it would be the easiest way to win.

Just my two cents I thought I put out there.

In post 1647, Menalque wrote:I think this is bizarre theatre for us to do and to then be like self-referential about it

What about if T3!scum -> mo!town?

What do you feel about Day 3... with Johnny and T3.

I thought it was Johnny!scum > T3!town vice versa

Which will lead onto day 4 -- VFP!town > T3!scum -- Me and Lukewarm has stated this idea in different approaches. I think if me and T3 were different allignments, I would have just voted T3 on day 3 when T3 was already in hot hands instead of just staying my vote on Johnny especially considering the sudden push that came from A50 -- As scum I think I would have took the chance to vote that out then push another narrative the day after -- especially considering T3 was going to get elimmed and flip as town.

In post 1648, Menalque wrote:
In post 1646, Bingle wrote:Dann was trying to fly under the radar (which is why you were scumreading him, I think)
Nah fam, I’d already dipped by the time that dann was starting to be under the radar-y

I disliked his opening because it felt way too confident for him and also overly flippant — like he was trying too hard to be light-hearted

I forgot the reason why I didn't like Dann but I think it was about Dann just coming in and then leaving after having a weird question opening.

In post 1655, Bingle wrote:
In post 96, ProfessorDrapion wrote:
In post 91, Bingle wrote:
In post 83, Dannflor wrote:VOTE: gypx
For reel reels though VOTE: gypyx
I can get behind this.
VOTE: gypyx

Now Bingle, got any other early reads?
I never plan to be the endgame scum. Sometimes it happens, but it's never the plan.

Looking at the VC above, doesn't this make Gypyx town? Because from the games I have played; an instant BW especially not started by scum first, usually tends to be town? But don't worry once post game happens; I think everyone is gonna be suprised and fucking scum flips NM + pooky and psych was just throwing. sorry but i think u would do sum shit like that where u wait till day 5 to claim psych

In post 1698, T3 wrote:If you want you can look at my scum meta, I have one game which I was eliminated day 1.

i hate this quote from t3 because once you posted that in the chain of quotes you had -- it sounded way out of place especially considering for what tho? you in post 1697 talk about how you townread gypyx then follow up with that post lol

honestly if t3 is scum, then gypyx is scum.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 4:14 am

i didnt mean to post that lmao

but what i was gonna say is that if t3 is scum, then gypyx is probably scum partner or one of the other high ended townread ppl

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 4:21 am

In post 1744, Ydrasse wrote:okay well i wasn’t expecting so much homework, but

just guiding you thru the game -- a short tldr of the important stuff that happened, i do this wit every replacement because im nice

why ask for me to react to being paired to you?

because i want to see your initial reaction in contrast or comparison to mine as well as what i said down below. a lot can be told

In post 1745, Ydrasse wrote:like what sort of reaction do i give as either alignment other as “wrong” or “‘nope not a thing at all” in that situation?

that's not what im looking for but its mainly of -- well i cant say because it you as possible scum could replicate it now.

i don’t know what answer you’d expect and it feels uhhh. kinda weird in how it’s worded

its not weirdly worded. its blantant - you don't have to answer it. but i just wanted to see how you take in influential pressure from others.

In post 1746, Ydrasse wrote:like maybe because it’s super specific and related to you (and implicitly you’re being accused in that too) so it’s like, “go look at these people accusing us! they’re so wrong right and i’m right”

its more about me but its also for other town ppl tryna solve the game on how you are able to take pairings and interactions (pressure) with scum!you in them if you were scum.

so while reading ur catch up -- i want to see your reaction with being paired with anyone. i was just using me and you as an example because it was the one that was talked premoneitly.

that’s my instinctual reply but i’ll read it later but. weirdchamp

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:10 am

In post 1764, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1696, T3 wrote:I think I like the content coming out from mena. I'm honestly not sure.

In post 1697, T3 wrote:The main reason I townread gypyx is because of the early day 1 lolpush on Drap.

In post 1705, T3 wrote:I skimmed through Gypyxs ISO in electocollege mafia and this is a hard VOTE: gypyx
lol

lmfao i pointed this out --

just a weird transition imo

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:12 am

In post 1757, Ydrasse wrote:the tinfoil is that mena was voting a townie who was competing w a scum wagon but when nm reps in he’s basically forced to change his vote because he’s at the time pushing nm as a policy in perpetual mylo and while people aren’t supposed to use ongoing games they do and it’s a balancing act especially with people who are also in those games. so he’s basically forced to abandon what he wants to do to keep up that charade

this was my two theories that acculate to this--

"And also I see a possible pair with T3 -- only if T3 flips scum.

I am thinking about this scenerio of like, Mena could be spitting all this WIFOM talk on how they want T3 dead and you get more towncred as bussing. I think if Mena was bussing, they would bus T3 here. Because now you will be probably never looked at again, and most probable town. Especially considering the game you showed me Mena, after reviewing it haha, you have very high possibility of doing the same thing as you did where it starts to get intense in solo scum.

And if T3 allignment is town -- Mena could be possibly paired with Gypyx.

This scenario happens if Mena continues to push for the vote on T3 and T3 flips town -- they have said they will reconsider everything on me if T3 flips town -- this could be a possible setup. Think about it, Mena listed this voting pattern "T3 > Gypyx > Nm/Bingle > Me I think" But after knowing T3 is town, instead of pushing Gypyx, they push me and get an elim on me and win the game. and avoid elimming Gypyx at all cost on day 4 - day 5 because it would be the easiest way to win.
"

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:13 am

In post 1768, Ydrasse wrote:when this flips scum i’m going to look so cute and sexy in front of everyone for repping in and solving the game

hmm... gypyx's replacement has a way better reactio than what i expected. i probably need to hear more about ur d2/d3 reads as you said you will by tmr.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:23 am

In post 1784, Menalque wrote:that’s not what I’m worried about, I’m worried bc you’re like one of the least readable people to me on site

what does this mean

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:35 am

In post 1788, Menalque wrote:
In post 1747, Ydrasse wrote:also looking at the vc, why would i wanna skip d3 when i’m catching up? there’s people voting despite a no elim going through which is like. there are definitely things to be gained from seeing who wants to kill vs skip especially if it’s like, the mechanically ~rigjt~ decision
This is
Hmmm

yea ... i forgot to respond to this. you always remind me mena, thank you.

anyways; what was the point of pointing out the vc of elim vs no elim? i don't think it really mattered because it would have been practilly the same other than the pool of players. what would scum benefit from the pool of players? well i argued that scum would be more troubled in day4 town!pool vs day 3 as what bingle argued.

i don't think it's a matter of mechanics -- but more of subjectivity on how would scum do in a particular situation and how that can progress the game for town or even scum as a matter of fact.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:35 am

now answer me, what info did u gain from that vc?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:37 am

In post 1800, Menalque wrote:Ugh I feel like we flipped too early given the rep in

wdym?

is there hammer?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:40 am

In post 1765, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: T3

oh was this hammer

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:43 am

yea im like yea its good that we finally hammered someone who i wanted to hammer and who i know for sure is going to flip scum nd i rather discuss more on who t3's partner could be but at the same time i dont wanna give info for scum to figure out more scenarios for day 5.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:44 am

eh well actually the more i think about it -- i think they would just talk about it during the night.

no reason to risk that as scum i believe .

so ig yea i would have def opted more time to discuss further

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:44 am

In post 1804, Ydrasse wrote:i can’t believe menalque hates me now

can u answer me already?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:45 am

it shouldnt take you that long considering you specified much info -- so the recap shouldn't a struggle.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:48 am

In post 1809, Ydrasse wrote:i’m at my desk at work and all my content was coming from me on my break chill

excuses.

i have been working all day too -- i guess you have a slower pace of gathering info.

again; it shouldn't be hard to answer considering you said there was a lot of info and you were talking about earlier regarding it. so i just wanted to know if you ignorned on purpose, unintentionally, or an excuse like this.

that's fine though, i expect you to answer it when you are done.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 am

In post 1814, Ydrasse wrote:Guys i think grandpa wants to kill me

i don't want to kill you....

it's just i hate when people talk about something, then go rant about it then when asked one question regarding that info -- they act anti town and deflect so many times until it gets to day 8 or whatever then finally talk about it.

that's what you are doing right now -- talking with mena instead when you could just have been recapping the info and it really shouldn't be that difficult especially considering you said you gained A LOT.

idk why that's hard for you.

but i am giving you the benefit of the doubt just like i fucking gave t3 half of this game and that now finally town listens to me -- im also feeling a mix of emotions of happiness and content that we are finally on the right path making the greatest comeback in MS to win.

so pls tyt <3

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:54 am

In post 1747, Ydrasse wrote:also looking at the vc, why would i wanna skip d3 when i’m catching up? there’s people voting despite a no elim going through which is like. there are definitely things to be gained from seeing who wants to kill vs skip especially if it’s like, the mechanically ~rigjt~ decision

i said this multiple times @mena

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:54 am

i asked what info r u gaining from this.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:55 am

In post 1796, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1788, Menalque wrote:
In post 1747, Ydrasse wrote:also looking at the vc, why would i wanna skip d3 when i’m catching up? there’s people voting despite a no elim going through which is like. there are definitely things to be gained from seeing who wants to kill vs skip especially if it’s like, the mechanically ~rigjt~ decision
This is
Hmmm
yea ... i forgot to respond to this. you always remind me mena, thank you.

anyways; what was the point of pointing out the vc of elim vs no elim? i don't think it really mattered because it would have been practilly the same other than the pool of players. what would scum benefit from the pool of players? well i argued that scum would be more troubled in day4 town!pool vs day 3 as what bingle argued.

i don't think it's a matter of mechanics -- but more of subjectivity on how would scum do in a particular situation and how that can progress the game for town or even scum as a matter of fact.

In post 1797, GrandpaMo wrote:now answer me, what info did u gain from that vc?

i asked it here

In post 1799, Menalque wrote:
In post 1796, GrandpaMo wrote:you always remind me mena, thank you.
You’re welcome my dude

u even acknowledged my post -- so i thought u already knew??

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:56 am

In post 1832, Ydrasse wrote:500 word written essay solve when i need the equivalent of two tweets to nail the team

imagine boomer

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:58 am

In post 1838, Menalque wrote:I couldn’t remember bc your belabouring of the point was distracting from what the original Q was

you could easily just read back and see what the question was...?

this isn't even pertaining to you- idk why you are trying to get involved in here when its obvious ydrase knows what I am talking about lmao

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 6:58 am

In post 1839, Menalque wrote:yeh I’ll be honest mo 90% of what I do when I’m skim reading is look for my own name

does everyone do this shit??

am i the only one who actually looks at interactions from anyone?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 am

In post 1806, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1804, Ydrasse wrote:i can’t believe menalque hates me now
can u answer me already?

In post 1809, Ydrasse wrote:i’m at my desk at work and all my content was coming from me on my break chill

In post 1813, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1809, Ydrasse wrote:i’m at my desk at work and all my content was coming from me on my break chill
excuses.

i have been working all day too -- i guess you have a slower pace of gathering info.

again; it shouldn't be hard to answer considering you said there was a lot of info and you were talking about earlier regarding it. so i just wanted to know if you ignorned on purpose, unintentionally, or an excuse like this.

that's fine though, i expect you to answer it when you are done.

In post 1814, Ydrasse wrote:Guys i think grandpa wants to kill me

what??? why tf is the narrative changing now??? this CLEARLY implies ydrase knew....

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 am

In post 1843, Menalque wrote:bc you’re doing it at a time where it’s p clearly not getting answered and getting in the way of us getting acquainted and maybe getting to a more solid read on each other

wit memes, yes lmao

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 7:04 am

In post 1850, Ydrasse wrote:grandpa how does that imply i knew and wasn’t just to tell u i was busy

because that means you acknowledged the question and gave the excuse that hey you are busy right now --- and that you will be answering the acknowledged question later after you are done.

hence why i gave the specified info from me that u can take ur time -- and you seemeed not to reply

so yes i assumed that... just like i think everyone would.

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 7:07 am

In post 1858, Ydrasse wrote:grandpa pls i acknowledged you wanted me to answer something not what it is

ok?? how was i suppose to know that?? what do u think

im gonna assume that u didnt read my question?

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 7:09 am

now you know so

there isn't any assumptions to be made. hopefully u answer it once ur done with whatever....

the point is that u could have answered my question while the time u were in here -- smh.

and now you are probably gonna have to go again and won't hear from u until day 5-and that is what frustrates me

GrandpaMo · Tue May 25, 2021 7:10 am

In post 1861, Ydrasse wrote:how were u supposed to know that i knew specifically and was thinking about it when i’m posting memes

because you gave a general acklowdment duh! i pointed this out multiple times!!!!

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 7:32 am

Fuck, uh... This is stressful.

Okay I think these are the only pairs I can really see.

Mena + Ydrasse
Bingle + NM

Mena you said it could be possibly Ydra? Didn't you townread them?

I'm still curious on Bingle's stance.

And honestly, there is something I caught on with... I feel like your diminished acitvity was just an excuse of balantant ass WIFOM. THINK ABOUT IT.

You come in to the game all optimistic on finding scum, you even give out guidelines and all this mech talk and hence why I townread you.

Then later into day 2 or (3 I forgot), you back down because you want to see people talk and take it more a passive approach.

Then you start questioning me based on me townreading you for your high levels of activity in the beginning.

Then you back down again.

And you never reach that effort level again becuase you know that if you do AS YOU SAID BEFORE THAT IN YOUR PREVIOUS GAMES THAT UR EFFORT LEVEL MAKES YOU MORE LIKELY TO BE SCUM. HENCE WHY YOU QUESTIONED ME AND TRIED TO GET MY PEWRSEPCTIVE TO SEE IF I WOULD CONTINUE TO TOWNREAD YOU.

now look at where you at rn. doing unhelpful stuff for town and completely changed your playstyle from first day 1 till now.

and yes thi sgame has been mountainous but i feel like this isn't the true bingle i am talking.

so now tell me, what happened?

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 7:37 am

In post 1912, Menalque wrote:
In post 1905, Ydrasse wrote:do you genuinely think that i would think you're someone that won't be listened to or easy to miselim? (in theory i guess "viable" isn't the same as easy but given i don't have a lot of momentum as scum they're two things that go hand in hand for me, and i very much would not come into a game as scum like, off the bat trying to pick at you)

and you're ignoring the point, you gave me that advice, /but do you think i put it into use against you/

knowing that we could also have this same exact conversation in front of everyone?
I think my position is much weaker this game than it is in most lylo situations. why? because I was (1) largely absent for the first couple of days (2) drap specifically tried to create linkages between our slots with his posts and to make me look like a buddy, something which really makes me look worse in conjunction with my soft-defending the slot (3) a number of flipped dead town have been susp of me (4) I was again on the wrong wagon EoD yesterday

yeah, I'm never gonna make it *easy* for scum to mislim me if I can help it, but I've been wrong a lot this game and people the to perceive that as scummy even when they shouldn't (look at what happened to infinity in p-mylo)

and whether I'm listened to or not is directly related to whether scum think I can be miselimmed here. if they think I can, they don't need to worry about people listening to me, the only case they need to worry about that is if they think I *can't* be miselimmed (when I think I clearly can be) bc then there's a risk that if I successfully lim scum today, I might be cheeped tomorrow (I'm assuming the only cases where I'm not limmed today are cases where I lead a lim on scum, which in turn makes me very town after a scumflip)

and uh, yes, I think it's v plausible that you would lol

so are you saying that you being alive could be wifom?

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 7:38 am

i feel like someone is bullshitting in the ydra / mena interaction

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 7:38 am

In post 1929, Menalque wrote:hopefully, I have all my faith in u to win in 3p after u bus me here

???

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 2:34 pm

In post 1942, Bingle wrote:
In post 1934, GrandpaMo wrote:so now tell me, what happened?
Well, on D1 I led the town and we ended up limming scum.

is this sentence really necessary???

And then on D2 I wanted to be able to see what other people would do without me and got very disengaged because there was no thread motion.

this is true

And then on D3 we no limmed because it was optimal play.

still disagree on its optimal level. i still feel like a no lim on day 4 is way better. do you see how you used lol wagon in the sentence below? and u thought a no lim was better on d3? smh.

On D4 there was a lolwagon the day before limlo and the person I suspected the strongest put a vote down to allow N_M to hammer while I was in fact being active and solvey.

u say lolwagon but push for no lim for d3 -- when that no lim could have been used in day 4, psych will probably not have been killed and we would have been gotten a way better precentage on findign skill because we would use that night kill from mafia as an advantage for us on to scumhunt based on the kill that was made

And today is a holiday weekend where most if not all of my mafia energy is going to be elsewhere.

I'll be happy to solve the game on Tuesday, because it's XLO and I need to read again before committing to anything, but yeah, if it was deadline it would be Ydrasse vote.

excuses excuses. smh.

honestly i

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 2:38 pm

In post 1942, Bingle wrote:
In post 1934, GrandpaMo wrote:so now tell me, what happened?
Well, on D1 I led the town and we ended up limming scum.

is this sentence really necessary???

And then on D2 I wanted to be able to see what other people would do without me and got very disengaged because there was no thread motion.

this is true

And then on D3 we no limmed because it was optimal play.

still disagree on its optimal level. i still feel like a no lim on day 4 is way better. do you see how you used lol wagon in the sentence below? and u thought a no lim was better on d3? smh.

On D4 there was a lolwagon the day before limlo and the person I suspected the strongest put a vote down to allow N_M to hammer while I was in fact being active and solvey.

u say lolwagon but push for no lim for d3 -- when that no lim could have been used in day 4, psych will probably not have been killed and we would have been gotten a way better precentage on findign skill because we would use that night kill from mafia as an advantage for us on to scumhunt based on the kill that was made

And today is a holiday weekend where most if not all of my mafia energy is going to be elsewhere.

I'll be happy to solve the game on Tuesday, because it's XLO and I need to read again before committing to anything, but yeah, if it was deadline it would be Ydrasse vote.

excuses excuses. smh.

honestly i expected a better reaction...

yes you did explain it but i feel like town would have more need for motiviation to actually and try to solve this game.

johnny was right. you got greedy and cockey with ur day 1 scumsolve and started acting lazy thru out the game because it felt like the game was going to get easier.

but now we are at a mountanious spot where the only true scumhunting can be dervied from scum themselves and what drap says or there interactions.

honestly i lost all hope in town on this day and it seems like town isn't trying anymore or just gave up. if mena is the only one here actually trying to solve and figure shit out, i might as well townread you. if you are scum, oh well, you played a good game and escaped an elim on the previous day. i rather lose to scum!mena atp just because town isn't even acting town anymore.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 2:39 pm

sorry for the double post.

also @bingle im just joking bout the last quote where i said excuses excuses. i understand you have priorities, i am just upset that's all.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 2:39 pm

and when i meant you, i mean the whole town got greedy and cocky*

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 2:40 pm

In post 1939, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 1934, GrandpaMo wrote:

Okay I think these are the only pairs I can really see.

Mena + Ydrasse

Bingle + NM
we did it team

to elaborate, i mean its probably 1 scum in between.

and im probably looking at you ydrasse and bingle as the scumteam here.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 2:48 pm

also nm is hard town.

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 3:02 pm

i forgot to explain this but there is 1 reason that no one has gave yet on why nm is town, and no it aint no meta bs.

the only time nm is scum is if they are scum with me. (i think?)

everyone here has townread nm at one point and i feel like mafia has an advantage when they townread NM. there is no reason for scum to keep questioning NM's allignment. all ppl who scumread nm early days, all died. this would make mena probable town for this -- and this could just stem from worried town. i even felt like this and now i understand mena but instead of worrying bout it now i worried about beginning of day 4 hence why i questioned you nm.

now i have seen this happen so many times and most of the time it is true, they have this one standalone character that everyone in the back of the head collectly townread nd (kinda scared to push either as scum or town) and most of the time it happens to be scum.

for example, if bingle is scum >>> you can see this happening. Bingle has upmostly defended NM multiple times on why he is town due to meta again if Bingle was town then i feel like bingle!town would have been more weary in xlo especially considering the fact this happened to be true for most of the other players bingle has scum read / townread ... the only read i got out after a50 died was that he townread bingle. scum is playing passive this game and im now figuring out why... i was thinking about this during the night and wasn't going to say anything because i thought it was dumb but i realized that playing passive in a mountainous game is actually the most optimal thing here for scum. think about it, town ppl have been driving this game into the wrong direction... jonny did and died (me, because im town) and flipped town. nm did (johnny) and is probable town. pooky has (t3 i think?) and flipped town. lukewarm has (t3) and flipped town. a50 even got to the point of giving up... and vfp ? vfp notes are actually really good and i will need to find it again to see what is up with that. also if vfp was the kill during that lover kill then they scumread nm and johnny (who one was town and nm is probably town) and flipped town. scum has been consitent with voting patterns >>> kills because WE town set them up like that.

scum is just winning by this ; hence why the optimal play for them is just to play passive and start pocketing ppl . you can see this happening with bingle + ydrasse where bingle townread nm + (and i think townread mena) , and ydrasse who i dont know yet (i do wanna hear from ur reads)

but if this theory is true .

there HAS to be one scum between ydrasse + bingle , and if not both.

thank u for coming to my tedtalk

does any one agree wit this???

GrandpaMo · Fri May 28, 2021 3:03 pm

i do agree there is one flaw wit my theory but that would only attribute to who ydrasse reads etc.

so yes, i wanna hear from u ydrasse since u have acaught up

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:11 am

In post 1952, Not_Mafia wrote:Gun to my head, Grandpa and Ysrasse?

u cant put scum to ur head

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:11 am

wait i phrased that wrong, you cant kill urself as scum **

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:12 am

In post 1955, Menalque wrote:oh wait I got that wrong lmao

Mena: fucked if I know, leaning ydra/bingle
Bingle: ydra + 1 of mena/mo
Mo: one of ydra/mena, one of bingle/nm, leaning ydra/bingle
ydra: mena/mo
NM: grandpa/ydra

lol so we are on the same page?

do uactually agree wit my theory.

im just poeing ydra with bingle since i townread everyone else

and i solely scumread bingle

im just waiting bingle's "comeback" on tuesday which i really dont wanna wqait for that long

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:13 am

In post 1956, Menalque wrote:it seems apparent that ydrasse is either being bussed or is town

needs further thought. my suspicion is still that it is just ydra!scum but scum don't wanna vote first just in case there's a misvote

why would u bus in mylo as scum?

like would that real benefit scum here? eh idk

unless scum is doing like sum fucking 200 iq wizardy

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:16 am

In post 1955, Menalque wrote:oh wait I got that wrong lmao

Mena: fucked if I know, leaning ydra/bingle
Bingle: ydra + 1 of mena/mo
Mo: one of ydra/mena, one of bingle/nm, leaning ydra/bingle
ydra: mena/mo
NM: grandpa/ydra

also ydra thinks its me and u mena -- thats actually reasonable

but idk where they said that

and alos im just reading this and i understand why u said ydras could be bussed or tonw here and im like wtf scum wouldn't bus here??? does this make ydra town???

like im not sure on the solve with bingle, like ik bingle is probable scum and im just poeing ydra, but im starting to like eh see how ydra could be town, i really really doubt scum would bus here ESPECAILLLY consdiering the game has been in favor of them

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:26 am

In post 1967, Menalque wrote:You bus in lylo if you think your partner is busted and you don’t wanna stand out for defending them

Like, if your goose is cooked

You have a much better chance of winning overall by being the one to lead on your partner and then going into 3p looking good

Than trying and failing to defend them and going into 3p like that

It’s only worth going for a win in 5p if you’re both reasonably TR or you have someone who looks like an insanely scummy patsy to vote off

The question is: is ydrasse an insanely scummy patsy who’s been brought to lylo to lose the game for town? Or is ydrasse just scum?

That’s the only question I’m particularly interested in rn given that everyone has her in their PoE

yea i agree but its like if they defend / scumread i dont think there is really much of a chance? like why would they risk that?

that question is the one im literally thinking bout right now, like i need to see how the progression moved towards ydrasse being scum because think bout it

NM literally is just rando poeing me and ydrasse -- this could be wrong as well
you nd bingle are poeing ydrase because of gypyx? (u can correct me on this) -- this is probably the best reason for scumreads?
and im just poeing ydrase because i townread you -- this could be wrong

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:28 am

In post 1970, Menalque wrote:So the entire T3 wagon was town, it’s just that town was totally wrong lmao

Question is, were both scum on or was gypyx avoiding the wagon?

Does it makes sense for both gypyx and bingle to avoid the two main wagons when they’re both town wagons being pushed by town?

i actually said this in my theory bout bingle but i generalized it -- talking bout the consistency etc

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:28 am

like everyone had gotten wrong and benefitted from it -- and i feel like the most probably thing for scum is to follow along with town "to blend in"

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:29 am

scum benefitted*

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:30 am

In post 1978, Menalque wrote:Mo can u point me st anything you’ve done that you think would make sense for you to have done if you were scum?

If I could get to a point where I could feel really confident on you that would help a lot

wdym like something as scum i would have done?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:45 am

In post 1983, Menalque wrote:
In post 1980, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1978, Menalque wrote:Mo can u point me st anything you’ve done that you think would make sense for you to have done if you were scum?

If I could get to a point where I could feel really confident on you that would help a lot
wdym like something as scum i would have done?
No, like, something you did that hurts you if you’re scum or just doesn’t give you any tangible benefit

Don’t overthink it, it was just that sometimes there’s a clear moment people can point to and go “well it made no sense for me to also push X and look bad when they flipped town because everyone wanted X dead anyway — if I were scum it would have made more sense for me to stay away from that wagon”

Or equivalent

lol i said this on day 2.

if everyone literally everyone (even the ppl who never voted [who eventually flipped town]) voted drap and scumread them, why would i defend them atp as scum? no reason to put my self in a spot where it could have been very obvious that i was defending my scum partner instead the alternate option which was very optmil for scum to do is to bus there. especially considering i didn't townread in the beginning, i townread them thru midway where everyone was still calling out drap and scumreading them so i had time to bus if i was scum. does that make sense?

also it wouldn't have made sense for me as scum to say there was a scum between drap and gypyx and then side with drap, (who flipped scum), and gypyx who i thought scum (which thru that theory implies gypyx is town). remember that whole ass interaction day 1 with gypyx and drap? you should probably read back upon that.

im starting to realize a lot of interactions are starting to get unnoticed here. and i advise that the only way we are gonna win this game is to read the interaction from drap to others.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:46 am

In post 1997, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1987, Menalque wrote:
In post 1985, Not_Mafia wrote:Not me!
Can u give me anything you’ve done that makes you not scum here?
Drove the drap elim

also what GeniusGamer said in ur quote really defines you lmfao

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:47 am

In post 2000, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1999, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1997, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1987, Menalque wrote:
In post 1985, Not_Mafia wrote:Not me!
Can u give me anything you’ve done that makes you not scum here?
Drove the drap elim
also what GeniusGamer said in ur quote really defines you lmfao
Guess what. Genius was scum in that game and I was town

damn what a cow

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:48 am

In post 1998, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1995, Menalque wrote:Why is it mo + ydra ?
I think it's maybe Ydra and Bingle now

hmm.....

why the pivot?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:48 am

is it because you know that bingle is starting to get scumread, and so the onky way u advantage by is to bus here jsut like mena said?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 5:51 am

does nm get any towncredit by bussing bingle here?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 6:09 am

In post 1949, GrandpaMo wrote:i forgot to explain this but there is 1 reason that no one has gave yet on why nm is town, and no it aint no meta bs.

the only time nm is scum is if they are scum with me. (i think?)

everyone here has townread nm at one point and i feel like mafia has an advantage when they townread NM. there is no reason for scum to keep questioning NM's allignment. all ppl who scumread nm early days, all died. this would make mena probable town for this -- and this could just stem from worried town. i even felt like this and now i understand mena but instead of worrying bout it now i worried about beginning of day 4 hence why i questioned you nm.

now i have seen this happen so many times and most of the time it is true, they have this one standalone character that everyone in the back of the head collectly townread nd (kinda scared to push either as scum or town) and most of the time it happens to be scum.

for example, if bingle is scum >>> you can see this happening. Bingle has upmostly defended NM multiple times on why he is town due to meta again if Bingle was town then i feel like bingle!town would have been more weary in xlo especially considering the fact this happened to be true for most of the other players bingle has scum read / townread ... the only read i got out after a50 died was that he townread bingle. scum is playing passive this game and im now figuring out why... i was thinking about this during the night and wasn't going to say anything because i thought it was dumb but i realized that playing passive in a mountainous game is actually the most optimal thing here for scum. think about it, town ppl have been driving this game into the wrong direction... jonny did and died (me, because im town) and flipped town. nm did (johnny) and is probable town. pooky has (t3 i think?) and flipped town. lukewarm has (t3) and flipped town. a50 even got to the point of giving up... and vfp ? vfp notes are actually really good and i will need to find it again to see what is up with that. also if vfp was the kill during that lover kill then they scumread nm and johnny (who one was town and nm is probably town) and flipped town. scum has been consitent with voting patterns >>> kills because WE town set them up like that.

scum is just winning by this ; hence why the optimal play for them is just to play passive and start pocketing ppl . you can see this happening with bingle + ydrasse where bingle townread nm + (and i think townread mena) , and ydrasse who i dont know yet (i do wanna hear from ur reads)

but if this theory is true .

there HAS to be one scum between ydrasse + bingle , and if not both.

thank u for coming to my tedtalk

does any one agree wit this???

mena, doesnt nm become town if bingle is scum tho?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 7:59 am

In post 2017, Bingle wrote:
In post 2016, Menalque wrote:I mean I’ll let you say your piece but I’ll also re-iterate what I said to ydra, which is that I’ll be voting today much less based on what anyone does/says today and much more based on all the play that led us to this lylo in the first place
Okay, sure, but tell me when N_M has played this hard as scum. Because the answer afaik is never. And he's actually been pretty high effort as town recently.

again you keep fucking reading NM always to meta like holy shit, thats all u have done this game, is meta read and its honestly frustrating lmao

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 8:11 am

In post 2013, Bingle wrote:@Mena:

In post 1941, Bingle wrote:Mena, have you ever seen N_M give this many fucks in a scumgame? If so, lynx?

In post 1944, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 1942, Bingle wrote:
In post 1934, GrandpaMo wrote:so now tell me, what happened?
Well, on D1 I led the town and we ended up limming scum.

is this sentence really necessary???

And then on D2 I wanted to be able to see what other people would do without me and got very disengaged because there was no thread motion.

this is true

And then on D3 we no limmed because it was optimal play.

still disagree on its optimal level. i still feel like a no lim on day 4 is way better. do you see how you used lol wagon in the sentence below? and u thought a no lim was better on d3? smh.

On D4 there was a lolwagon the day before limlo and the person I suspected the strongest put a vote down to allow N_M to hammer while I was in fact being active and solvey.

u say lolwagon but push for no lim for d3 -- when that no lim could have been used in day 4, psych will probably not have been killed and we would have been gotten a way better precentage on findign skill because we would use that night kill from mafia as an advantage for us on to scumhunt based on the kill that was made

And today is a holiday weekend where most if not all of my mafia energy is going to be elsewhere.

I'll be happy to solve the game on Tuesday, because it's XLO and I need to read again before committing to anything, but yeah, if it was deadline it would be Ydrasse vote.

excuses excuses. smh.
honestly i expected a better reaction...

yes you did explain it but i feel like town would have more need for motiviation to actually and try to solve this game.

johnny was right. you got greedy and cockey with ur day 1 scumsolve and started acting lazy thru out the game because it felt like the game was going to get easier.

but now we are at a mountanious spot where the only true scumhunting can be dervied from scum themselves and what drap says or there interactions.

honestly i lost all hope in town on this day and it seems like town isn't trying anymore or just gave up. if mena is the only one here actually trying to solve and figure shit out, i might as well townread you. if you are scum, oh well, you played a good game and escaped an elim on the previous day. i rather lose to scum!mena atp just because town isn't even acting town anymore.
This post

This post is fucking awful, btw, mena.

Mo is blaming everyone else for getting cocky with a D1 solve when he was literally the person trying to make D1 solves and being outright told that that's a bad plan.

That isn't what I am saying. I am talking about the flip? Why would I escort cockiness to D1 reads??? I was specifically saying how us after Drap FLIPPED SCUM >>> we resulted in more lazy town behavior. You even said this! I was just reiterating and reaffirming what Johnny had said.

He's trying to paint my absence from the thread as scummy, and simultaneously arguing that we're in bad shape because town was disengaged from the thread.

I have told you multiple times before in earlier days that I do NOT scumread you for being absent -- but it has gotten to the point where you keep relying on this point and the WAY you did it that was more scummy. I do not care if you leave or what -- I even told to mena that I was willing to wait to hear what you have on tuesday!

He asked for a summation of my play on the various days, and then asked why I mentioned my play on D1.

Again, you are portraying me in a bad light through manipulating the context of what I was talking about. Where have I said anything bad about what you said earlier regarding your play??? Read the post again and you will see that I even said "true" to the sentence where you said that you were being disengaged. I never even had a problem with that in the first place. It is now xylo -- we all now have to be up on your front seat expecting every possible situation.

He's also trying real hard to end the game before I have the time to devote to it.

Again, this is completely not true. Look at what I said to Mena, I feel like I have been the most patient with everyone here especially considering with what I told Ydrasse yesterday on how I was willing to wait for what Ydrasse had to say in response to my question. And same for you. Where half of this town was deflecting/ignoring my questions in which acquainted to my frustration but no I don't bring this up because that is me, and my playstyle.

Also, it's really interesting that he's pushing the angle of psych wouldn't have been killed last night when the only way we wouldn't have had the psychiatrist killed before today is if the psychiatrist wasn't able to conftown themselves on claim. Note: aborted attempt to cc the psych and demonstrated clear understanding on his part of why psych claims before XLO yesterday.

Again this is completely manipulative. This has nothing to do what I said on what I said regarding my "fake" cc, + what I said about pooky dying? This was all TALKING about NO LIMMING and how it could have been a benefit (HINT HINT: IN A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION) where we no limmed Day 4 -- and psych comes out on day 5. What does this have anything to what you said? I don't even understand what you said. Again if I was scum, why would I retract? I had all the odds in my favor for a pooky lim regardless?? The most likely situation was going to get pooky killed regardless because we had half of the town scumread them? So again, if I were scum there was no point of me retracting there.

If you vote before I get the chance to try hard I'm going to beat you upside the head with the stupid stick.

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 8:13 am

In post 2021, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2020, GrandpaMo wrote:
In post 2017, Bingle wrote:
In post 2016, Menalque wrote:I mean I’ll let you say your piece but I’ll also re-iterate what I said to ydra, which is that I’ll be voting today much less based on what anyone does/says today and much more based on all the play that led us to this lylo in the first place
Okay, sure, but tell me when N_M has played this hard as scum. Because the answer afaik is never. And he's actually been pretty high effort as town recently.
again you keep fucking reading NM always to meta like holy shit, thats all u have done this game, is meta read and its honestly frustrating lmao
This is a scum post

ive always said this shit?? why point it out now???

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 8:15 am

is it not true??? is it not true that bingle always escorted to reading YOU NM TO META. READ THE ISO!!! Its all there on how he townread based on ur effort level --

do you not see how i could see that frustrating especially considering there is 2 scum ppl alive and we are using metaanalysis to garner reads?

GrandpaMo · Sat May 29, 2021 8:15 am