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[Tigerente]

it is a good point yeah, and those posts are townie i agree
i just didn't remember him doing anything this morning when i voted him

fwiw we are actively reconsidering voting elsewhere but are kinda sorting out where >.>

pedit @infinity

~ skitteR

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I feel like this is more of a playstyle thing than an alignment indicative one. Kerset's returning posts were bad.

i mean yes they're bad but i still have a hard time seeing them be scummy

This reasoning doesn't make sense unless you can point to scum that are hopping on kerset to avoid cakez. This kind of wagon speed tell is kinda short-sighted imo because if a lot of townies agree on a scumread the wagon will go fast. The game is mostly town, remember.

i mean i can tell that scum are doing something without necessarily knowing exactly who the scum invovled are
like just because i can't point out the source rn doesn't mean it isn't happening
and doesn't mean i shouldn't read into it

[Tigerente]

Why have you spent so much time talking about me this game if you're not even sure I'm town?

probably because you're a leading wagon and as such you're high on our priority list?

Frankly I think your tantrum earlier looked pretty town

-b

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i'm not sure most poeple are saying this and i kinda dislike that you're sort of piggybacking off of my reasoning to lump both yourself and kerset in the same pool and call yourselves town

I don't understand what this means
Obv not everyone is pooling us but I feel like it's a more common team suggestion than anything else

you're taking my reasoning of 'maybe the stalled cakez wagon means cakez is town'
and applying it to both yourself and kerset (when i only said it about you)
and are using it to call yourself both town

and the way you're going about it feels kinda ~to me

and i was thinking tht gamma is a viable you-partner

and i'm talking abt you cuz you're the leading wagon? not sure why i need to think you're town to talk abt u

pedit i do think dwlee is townie ya

~ skitter

[Tigerente]

I'm not interested in Kerset. Feels like limbait and also the game has stalled around the two wagons on him and I which makes me think he's also town and scum are just happy with this gamestate.

Cakez can you go into this a little more? Why is the game "stalling on kerset" (i'm even not super sure that's really what happened here) make them more likely to be town and why are they necessarily limbait instead of just ineffective scum?

-b

[Tigerente]

I mean you're a person who is on the hotseat atm yes or no? that question seems pedantic to me (I even said "a", not "the")

-b

[Tigerente]

fair enough (on both posts)

I dunno i'm still not really wanting to vote here

-b

[Tigerente]

Also I think a50 and gamma are both very towny

I think it's important to separate this from whether or not cakez believes what he is saying

-b

[Tigerente]

Ok but I was using that logic before you even brought it up Tig

cakez did you really read the pages that happened in your absence?
ok if the answer is no i'm trying to understand something

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

do you dislike anything about gamma other than the kerset vote?

-b

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Yes and I don't understand why that seems to be a point of confusion? I literally said I was catching up and responded to posts from over those 10 pages

ok can you just summarize in your own words how you think the kerset wagoned happened
i promise i'm going somewhere with this and this isn't pointless i'm just trying to understand something

~ skitteR

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Infinity what are you thinking right now? I need some grounding and you're both a fresh set of eyes and a town fresh set of eyes

outside of these two (cakez/kerset) are you looking anywhere?

(I know you mentioned us earlier but please give me a goddamn fairer shake than dwlee "but so defensive!")

-b

[Tigerente]

Is your townread on kerset contingent on 1+ scum in (gamma/a50) ?

-b

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ok thanks cakez, i appreciate it

i'm kinda settling on cakez is town because he doesn't really know how the kerset wagoned unfolded or why the leading wagon isn't him anymore
i'm p sure that if he were scum and were in a scum pt he would have been getting posts from teammates about him being the leading wagon, and about how he no longer wasn't (i.e. about how i made the kerset wagon a thing last night) but he's kinda unaware about all fo these happenings that i feel like he would know about as scum here given that he *was* the leading wagon

like he thinks kerset's wagon was just humdrumming along and also stalled and got a couple of more votes cuz kerset came in and psoted badly but that's not what happened, and i think scum-him would probably know the game events better given that they sort of directly concern him

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

I mean if they both flipped town I'd probably reconsider but it's not solely based on them

what else? at this point this is less about you and more about kerset; what are you seeing?

-b

[Tigerente]

well you and skitter probably agree atm. i'm not really feeling it but eh

-b

[Tigerente]

I can't reread 50 pages how did it happen then?

yesterday i decided to vote kerset and a couple of votes joined
and then last night i was like: man this cakez wagon has stalled since like p2, why is that, and why is the game dead. let's see what happens if we try to vote soemeone else and cajoled a bunch of people into voting kerset and it got to e1 overnight, and so i'm now trying to puzzle over what that means

like the whole wagon happened in less than an irl day if iirc

~ skitteR

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I was telling skitter that I don't like the level of confidence that heaven has about your flip and she feels the exact opposite. I liked heaven early but has really fallen off for me.

-b

[Tigerente]

not sure what to do w/ you pooky

sometimes you seem super trying to sort and other times you look like you're just trying to see what happens under a guise of fluff

-b

[Tigerente]

i mean i realize the fluff is part of what makes you so darn loveable but

-b

[Tigerente]

Okay scratch that you were on dwlee before
But I also think the way you asked me about my vote reeks of being partnered with kerset

Gamma i feep like you're avoiding answering the question: why were you townreading cakez

And can u explain in ur own words why that makes us partners with kerset?
~ skitter

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so i still prefer gamma and i'm not a huge fan of cakez's ~salt posts~ and cakez/skitt paranoia is not doing good things to my mental health and gamma/umlaut being on this wagon is not giving me good feels either

but all that said, with 3 days to deadline, it's probably time to see something happen (and i'm still not a fan of his posts either so)

VOTE: kerset

I'm worried that you have a ton of hedges on your vote here and a ton of scumspects in that list and aren't trying to figure out what's what in (us/cakez/umlaut/gamma/kerset) outside of vague suspicion

-b

p-edit: super

[Tigerente]

XD

scum?

-b

[Tigerente]

not sure what you were going for here if you didn't think that

p-edit: i mean you could've claimed intent that'd have been fine

-b

[Tigerente]

that said i'm actually a little optimistic about this flip due to stuff since
-b

[Tigerente]

kerset was i feel like prepared to be helpful in last posts before hammer in a resigned townie kinda way and i would've expected that to continue if town and now we're getting kinda lolposts so here's to hoping

-b

[Tigerente]

If Kerset is scum then my read on Cakez is unjustified, because I don't think Cakez tries to be all shock and awe at my hammer?

I don't think it's that AI. I've seen it from both alignments on people who flip both alignments

-b

[Tigerente]

better to be lucky than good sometimes

take it from someone who is generally neither

-b

[Tigerente]

I think the right play here is to claim:

I can 100% confirm the existence of an SK - we're a vig and we did NOT shoot a50 (we shot cakez)

it's possible we were roleblocked as one has just flipped, but it lends potential credence for cakez SK too and I think i just shoot him tonight again?

-b

[Tigerente]

Wait the vig claim has to be fake right? Role pm confirms one 2 person mafia.
VOTE: Tigerente [/post]

the fuck?

-b

[Tigerente]

i'm just really want to hear what you're arguing

we're the third scum because it says there are two scum?

lol?

-b

[Tigerente]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... domization

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)


we're in one of those two

-b

[Tigerente]

MCVVTTT seems likely, but we're definitely looking for two more anti-town either way

-b

[Tigerente]

skitter was fairly convinced a50 was town overnight

-b

[Tigerente]

i wish i could gauge the likelihood of us getting RBed. I don't think we softed or anything yesterday so it's an unfortunate coincidence if that's what happened

-b

[Tigerente]

Yeah you got me xD xD

was this serious?

-b

[Tigerente]

well if that's the case cool but we still have a kerset/a50 buddy to find

-b

[Tigerente]

i think i agree w/ yeet cakez over whoever we think that might be and then i just pop that person

-b

[Tigerente]

i mean i think that was destined to go nowhere

-b

[Tigerente]

Okay so sorry to Cake and Tiger. I was going to push Tiger today for associatives but the other mafia is dead. Now this is basically a mountainous game given the roles we know are available and I almost want to random elim but meh

Pedit: Datisi there is no third mafia.

Wait the vig claim has to be fake right? Role pm confirms one 2 person mafia.
VOTE: Tigerente [/post]

honestly i think because of this progression (the first post happened before i claimed) I'm all but certain dwlee is not groupscum

-b

[Tigerente]

(1281 can't possibly be used as a prep to do 1286 because they had no idea i was about to claim)

-b

[Tigerente]

if SK isn't cakez i'm looking for people who are like just not really rocking any boats like penguin or umlaut but i have no idea how to SK hunt and actively avoid setups w/ more than 1 anti-town faction

-b

[Tigerente]

i think lilith slot dying (primary push on cakez) and my lack of shot going through (on cakez) puts scum equity on two different factions for cakez and he's just gotta go, but would like to see what else happens today before we get to that

-b

[Tigerente]

it is literally the only other thing that could've happened besides you being an SK and i'm just not willing to go into endgame worrying about it

-b

[Tigerente]

actually if we're in MCVVBXT and a town rb blocked me they should probably claim that and i'll reassess but otherwise yeah

-b

[Tigerente]

wow what a comedy of errors lol

-b

[Tigerente]

i actually do think we massclaim now.

-b

[Tigerente]

yes

-b

[Tigerente]

i'm for massclaiming; infinity can set order

-b

[Tigerente]

yeah because i wanna spend tonight drinking instead of scumhunting

-b

[Tigerente]

=/

that decision seems pretty -EV town but i don't think there's any good way out of this for the mod

whatever. yeah, halt massclaim.

-b

[Tigerente]

Oh I was thinking the scum realized they should've been a godfather if Umlaut is roleblocker and Tiger is vigilante, and so one of those two or the scum got the wrong pm

it's possible it's the scum role but it's very possible that it's my role (my hypothesis is that we were supposed to be 1x), and if that's true i think massclaim is considerably weaker because i am contributing what would normally be misinformation about the setup

anyway the umlaut block takes away some (not all) of my reasoning to dunk cakez today so i'm in agreement that we should just let stuff play out normally for now and reread based on the two red flips we have

-b

[Tigerente]

I want Cakez to be scum because last night's actions are way funnier if he is.

honestly i think your night action ended up being moderately pro-town if cakez is scum and very protown if he's town just because it corroborates across our slots and we literally can't be scum together

-b

[Tigerente]

Pooky whats good

[Tigerente]

Whats your take here

[Tigerente]

chilled at the beach all day and missed all the drama

Jealous btw we just got the fuckin sprinkler

[Tigerente]

i mean nothing is gonna be better than just going back and taking it in as it happened

[Tigerente]

I'm at

Town

Infinity

[Umlaut]

[Tigerente]

Datisi

Pooky

Dwlee

Gamma

Penguin

Cakez

Scum

Then.

i need reasoning basically for any read list at this point because we are looking for two different scum who are scum for very different reasons and a spectrum readlist only works in very specific circumstances

-b

[Tigerente]

heya all
we're probably interested in flipping cakez or penguin today

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

this is entirely possible, i've had p bad reads this game
but as of rn i still don't townread you and this worries me

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

Does penguin just not post content as scum?

^

[Tigerente]

Does penguin just not post content as scum?

^

That’s a very base and incorrect way to read me and you know it.

this is literally how i always read you and you've told me this is the right way to read you before >.>

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

who is at the top of your list?

[Tigerente]

Absolutely not. There is a ratio, and it is dependent on the PL and the game which is why quoting that statement as fact is base and inaccurate. Hell - the last Mena game I rolled scum in it was the inverse and I posted more content than I did fluff.

right, saying you're nto really posting content is another way of saying that your fluff:content ratio is absurdly high right now, which is what i find scummy

heaven i think ur town! and i hope everything is ok!
~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

Cakez and Heaven...I just said that.

there's 2 scum left and i dunno who is on what list

[Tigerente]

(or why)

[Tigerente]

i'd like to circumvent the semantics about what content means and more just figure out where you stand on everything and why

[Tigerente]

Wait how is there 2 scum left there's no setup that has 4 groupscum and two are dead.

i'm using the term scum as "anyone who is not town" a scenario that we are literally guaranteed to be in fmpov

[Tigerente]

I’ve stated where I stand. Not really inclined to say why further atm.

[Tigerente]

I’ve stated where I stand. Not really inclined to say why further atm.

i mean i basically said i don't have enough info and you're like "well i guess that's your problem" and i mean it didn't have to be like this but ok

[Tigerente]

At least could have used the gif version, smh

it's the etsy pillow version which is top tier imo

[Tigerente]

VOTE: penguin

[Tigerente]

can you just throw me a bone and point me at something to talk about? i don't know how to be more accommodating than i've tried to be

[Tigerente]

i mean my next question is going to be why

why

i'm asking why

please tell me why you think that

maybe w/ prior art or some sort of conversation about something

whatever

[Tigerente]

Penguin said it like last page homie.

said what?

[Tigerente]

See - now you aren’t even trying to engage in good faith.

yes me trying to get something out of you 60 times is not engaging in good faith

can you talk about history w/ a50?

[Tigerente]

penguin i don't think that bork is asking for anything unreasonable and that you're being kinda really hard to pull meaningful answers out of

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

i mean i didn't post anything in that interaction so i can't really 'correct' anything but like i also think you're like not being very cooperative
can u like explain why cakez and heaven are at the top of your list?

and fwiw i do think that a50 is an odd shot for you as sk, i think it's more likely you're groupscum tbh

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

tbf i am still very puzzled by the incredibly odd interaction i had with you where you were so hesitant vote kerset
or why a50 voted kerset
or why you know offhand that a50 was the first slot on kerset

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

why are you voting cakez, and do you have any interest in joining my hip new kerset wagon? related, do you think scum are in the inactive slots?

Thought I was fairly clear on wanting a votecount. I also think that your hip new kerset wagon is still somewhat vanity but could be inclined to join just to see what happens. Still want the vc first.

this convo

[Tigerente]

ugh sorry i'm not trying to make you irritated
from my pov there you were being weirdly hesistant to vote kerset for reasons that i don't fully get and he did flip scum so it looks a bit odd to me

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

i think we want to vote penguin or cakez today
i think i have decent reasons to townread everyone else

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

I’m pretty disappointed in you given you are likely town tbf skit. Like - beyond just a bad read disappointed.

i'm sorry
i'm having a really hard time seeing town-you here but if i'm wrong could u help me see it a bit more?
right now i just don't and i wouldn't want to misflip you cuz i couldn't get over a bad read

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

I don't mind the self meta here even I just want to have something I can sink my teeth into and I don't feel like that's a lot to ask

I didn't really ask "why am are you not scum" I asked "why do you think x is groupscum or sk" (because we need to discern between those right now) and you basically didn't want to talk to me or claimed it was self evident and I had to vote you first and then it became "this is why i'm not scum" instead of "this is why i think who is what" which is all i ever wanted
-b

[Tigerente]

i don’t feel that you really want to re-eval me at this poin

i am straight up telling you i want to reeval you

that was the whole point of this conversation

-b

[Tigerente]

Idk - i don’t feel that you really want to re-eval me at this point - whether that be due to your partner or some other reason - so I’m going to bow out for a bit because I don’t think it’s going to be productive.

i would, if you'd want to try again tomorrow i'm down

~ skitter

[Tigerente]

UNVOTE:

start over?

-b

[Tigerente]

if you like just want to talk to her and have me leave you alone i can totally do that too i guess

-b

[Tigerente]

maybe not i just feel like any time i try to ask for anything i get an inordinate amount of pushback

-b

[Tigerente]

imo scum penguin just gives up here >.>

so does scum everyone give up here then? why penguin in particular

-b

[Tigerente]

I’m being flippant and antagonistic to the claimed vig

this point isn't lost on me so infinity i see where you're coming from

-b

[Tigerente]

yeah ok. i will try to reset just trying to figure out where else to look here

-b

[Tigerente]

like you gotta be thinking with a claimed vig/roleblocker/IC and only 2 scum left and they're not even aligned that they're a bit demoralized and not really gonna believe they could win at this point?

so who does that point to in your opinion?

-b

[Tigerente]

(or away from, whatever's clever)

-b

[Tigerente]

appreciate you putting something out there even if i don't agree w/ the datisi take (concur w/ infinity here)

-b

[Tigerente]

defer to skitter because her readstreak on pengy is ridiculous.

she's worried, i'm frustrated at the communication breakdown more than anything, and we're just trying to make sense of it all

-b

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i don't give a single flying fuck about your entrance pushing a50 on some utter nonsense of meta. you gave up on that very quickly, called it a ~reaction test~, and kept lowkey townreading a50 throughout all of day 1. like i don't get why you're saying "datisi didn't take into account my relations with a50" lmfao they're, as one could say... not good???

i actually think this is lowkey townie for gamma

~ skitter

[Tigerente]

dats is townie imo

[Tigerente]

cakez and/or penguin
not really sure what the 'then' is supposed to mean

~ skitteR

[Tigerente]

i have a hard time seeing the hammer come from scum
like it's not impossible but i think it's overwhelmingly +town

[Tigerente]

I'm around need to read up

cakez u still around?

[Tigerente]

What the fuck was that Heaven

Okay nevermind Kerset flips town.

i think the whole sequence is +town - he thinks there's enuf content for the day so wants to move on
it's not *good* per se but i think unlikely to come from scum

also this post is really ????? unlikely to come from a partner here

[Tigerente]

With the knowledge of SK i don't think the hammer clears Heaven

ok but we agree he isn't groupscum tho, right?

[Tigerente]

I'm trying to figure out why kerset was voteparked on A50 for so long and I can't really figure it out, I think it might point towards a weaker 3rd partner

i'm more confused why a50 was parked on kerset tbh

~ skitter

[Tigerente]

honestly i still don't get why the kerset wagon took off at all ....
maybe cakez realy is scum pr (gf) and a goon going down was better than a pr going down

~ skitteR

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honestly i still don't get why the kerset wagon took off at all ....
maybe cakez realy is scum pr (gf) and a goon going down was better than a pr going down

~ skitteR

Are you kidding me? Literally....

????

[Tigerente]

Uhhhh i'm not entirely sure what i did or why you're so pissed off at me or why me saying a similar thought is evidence that i dont care abt what you're saying ....

~ skitter

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It’s the whole - “you’re scum because no content” but then regurgitating the same content I’ve said.

Ok fair enuf

Like - I’ve never played a game with you where you have acted like this toward me - scum or town - and it’s infuriating.

I'm not entirely sure what i'm doing or how you think i'm acting towards you. I'm certainly not trying to piss you off and i apologize if that's what i'm coming off of as
I want to get.to a point where i have a decent read on you. I still dont super feel it but like if u want me to stop engaging with u i will
I'm not entirely sure what the issue is but yeah

[Tigerente]

I don't know who our target should be >.>
I do want to flip cakez tho

[Tigerente]

We flipping sircakez y/n?
If no i'd want to vig him

[Tigerente]

Ok fine, give me + bork a bit to sync on a target
I would advise keeping cakez off of e1 sp that he doesnt self hammwr prior to those things being decided

[Tigerente]

I think gamma's interactions with a50 upon a50's entrance (in particular calling him out for the M slip) + the timing of his kerset vote are anti-partnery

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Ok fine, give me + bork a bit to sync on a target
I would advise keeping cakez off of e1 sp that he doesnt self hammwr prior to those things being decided

Self-hammering would be playing against win condition, no?

Oh fair point

[Tigerente]

Should we make targets conditional on the flip? Roleblock I guess not, but maybe the vig target should be?

Not sure its a coditional decision for us

[Tigerente]

Eh maybe it is for bork actually, i think he wanta to flip you on a town-cakes flip

[Tigerente]

I don't like that plan

I mean i'm sure u dont but i'll leave it to bork to discuss because this is what he wants

From my pov there's only so many slots to vig
Infinity is conftown
Umlait is all but conftown from our pov assuming he isnt like the last scum claiming a50's action or something

Pooky is apparently gonna be the rb target

Leaving dats heaven gamma dwlee penguin if we flip cakez

Fwiw i still dont really townread pooky either

[Tigerente]

dwlee what's your cakez experience to the point you feel you can make this BoP argument

also just didn't expect that kind of thing from you considering how ardently anti-meta you were earlier in the game

-b

[Tigerente]

i'm going to try to eliminate some potential candidates. I think I've warmed up enough to penguin on this gameday that i'd like to leave him alone, for starters.

-b

[Tigerente]

Infinity I'm going to go through your meta stuff on gamma but like 83 -> 89 -> 287 -> 355 seems completely plausible as the third red here

-b

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honestly don't see why heaven can't be red either. Distancing from a50 most of the day and I think the kerset hammer makes a ton of sense as S-S. That's not the only way it could've gone down, but I'm trying to rule out potential reds here and I'm not inclined to rule this one out

-b

[Tigerente]

dwlee just i really don't think is mafia. possible SK but lower equity here for a shot and i'd be inclined to shoot elsewhere.

-b

[Tigerente]

datisi i just think is town

-b

[Tigerente]

(kinda wondering why pooky doesn't at this point tho)

-b

[Tigerente]

Question for the monkey: Who's mafia in the case of a 2 mafia team?

Although I generally assume 3-members team until proven otherwise, but "gun-to-my-head" I'd say Kerset for the sneaking in, followed by Heaven for hopping on after you backed off. I mean, you'd still get the blame for it if I was to flip today, so -from a 2-members team of Kerset/Heaven- it's still a good push.

eh man that'd take some stones though to make this post in a heaven-mafia world

-b

[Tigerente]

Q: Am I allowed to live in my own world under my own dome for a few seconds?? Cuz if I was I'd bet the game on the Mafia being of 3 members, and my solve would be precisely Gamma/Kerset/Heaven

Gamma comes in pushing a very "strange" meta-driven case on me (forgive me for calling it a case), and Kerset hops on it. Gamma backs off, Kerset falls back into the shadows, and Heaven takes on the spearhead position with yet another inexplicable "case".

My point is SCUM!GAMMA would be afraid of me. He tries to push me in hopes I'd react in a way that could be taken advantage of. Kerset sneaks in to aid him (knowing the reason behind this behaviour from their PT), but since I didn't react in a way that would justify Gamma's push on me he walks it back, but still wants me out so Heaven now can lead the campaign under the guise they don't know me (or anyone else) so cannot be blamed for taking this stance.

Well, I've got news for you: I ain't going down today, so lay off and try another approach.

Now I can go out of my dome and realize the whole world doesn't actually revolve around me, but not before I posted this to refer to in post-game.

i don't think a50 lists more than one scum in this gamma/kerset/heaven group, and we know that kerset is scum
and given that a50 is electing to push gamma out of the three of them i think it's +town/not-group-scum for gamma

i kinda think cakez is the last groupscum tbh

~ skitteR

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Q: Am I allowed to live in my own world under my own dome for a few seconds?? Cuz if I was I'd bet the game on the Mafia being of 3 members, and my solve would be precisely Gamma/Kerset/Heaven

yeah i mean this gets to the question: does a50 have that double-bus energy going on? i don't know him basically at all

-b

[Tigerente]

pooky >:(

[Tigerente]

why do u think a50 got shot

[Tigerente]

ok but it happened already and i think we're gonna flip the last groupscum today so i want to talk about this
not sure how or why last night's kills would inform what's gonna happen tonight

pedit ok let's say i accept that ... who *does* make that kill tho

[Tigerente]

hey you know if you think i'm scum it means im town!

(i lowkey think you're sk ...)

[Tigerente]

that middle universe tho >.>

idk did you think a50 was town eod?

[Tigerente]

(and nice chart!)

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ok so i'm currently pondering who shoots a50 there
i would imagine that sk was shooting for town and unexpectedly hit scum

out of you/gamma/dwlee/heaven/dats/penguin idk i feel like you'd have most likely taken taht shot

i don't think anybody else was townreading a50 eod unless i'm mistaken (which may be very possible)

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I do not shoot my friends skitter :<

>.>

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I voiced a townread on A50, didn't someone else respond to me that they were townreading A50 as well?

It's still weird because the SK wants to shoot someone they perceive as being widely townread and not necessarily someone that they townread

Why not shoot datisi or smth

i'm p sure that was us and given that i'm p darn confident neither of us made that shot we have to look elsewhere

idk why a50 was the shot, it was a weird one idk

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It's still weird because the SK wants to shoot someone they perceive as being widely townread and not necessarily someone that they townread

could potentially be trying to remove people that were suspecting them is the other potentiality; this points more to gamma or heaven to me. don't really have any way to test the likelihood of that. i think it's more important they begin to set up the endgame they want than to necessarily hit town on n1

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that's why i'm interested in being sufficiently sold on gamma town (vs just not mafia) FYPOV; if i could get to that point i'd be ok just blasting heaven (i think i have good reasons not to go after dwlee, penguin, datisi; pooky is being dealt with)

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i dunno i'm kinda down to blast gamma after re-reading ISO from today, dude fell off hard which is more what i'd expect from what's happening right now for a scum slot than other slots (heaven in particular is pretty tryhard when here)

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gamma isn't my first choice but i'm ok with it

i want to make it very, very, very clear that i'm suspicous of pooky being sk and don't want him to endgame
i don't want the day to end before people acknowledge that given that we probably die tonight

i think it's suspcious that he's actively looking to be rb'd (i.e. over vigged)
and i think he's most likely out of everyone to have killed a50
~ skitteR

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skitter's got some stuff to post otherwise unless anyone else has anything to add?

p-edit: boop

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I town-read a50 and I think a couple of other people did too. A bunch of people who did said so at the beginning of day 2 iirc.

ok but i think you're unlikely to be any flavor of scum

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Yet another thing we agree on.

indeed

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Yet another thing we agree on.

I was talking to skitter about this earlier and I want to be very clear we remember you saying it (and is something that is making me feel a little better about your slot overall)

We're trying to live and let live here.

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i think it's suspcious that he's actively looking to be rb'd (i.e. over vigged)

honestly this is bothering me a lot actually, that he kinda volunteered himself to be rb'd

pedit i know that infinity didn't make the shot
and i don't really think dats is scum (or makes that shot)

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@skitt Why are you TRing dwlee exactly? They've been very confident and flippant but those aren't towntells for everyone

(i am not-mafia-reading him only, personally)

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(i am not-mafia-reading them only, personally)

fixed pronoun, sorry.

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I definitely agree that pooky should not reach endgame and if it was up to me we might be limming them here.

@skitt Why are you TRing dwlee exactly? They've been very confident and flippant but those aren't towntells for everyone

well at the very least i'm p confident they're not groupscum given that they thougth that there were only two ...

here:

Wait the vig claim has to be fake right? Role pm confirms one 2 person mafia.
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i don't have a great reason for not-sk other than 'i think they've generally been kinda townie'
like it's not impossible but there's people ahead of them on my list if that makes sense

~ skitteR

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i mean im ok with switching the rb/vig thing so I can be like "remember that time you murdered me and I was town" to skitter the next time she suspects me ^_^

>.>
ugh i dont' want to be wrong >.>

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ok but when you decide you should let us know in case its the SK.

I will happily volunteer to be blocked because its better than being voted off the island tho my preference is for umlaut to have a chance at actually hitting the actual killa :3

this is what I actually said ^

I'd rather you/umlaut hit the real bad guy so we can win but obv i'd prefer being blocked to being elimmed.

i know this is the post i'm thinking of ... but why'd you volunteer in the first place???

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otherwise like we could do a conditional shoot based on cakez flip i dunno

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fair enuf
i'm also not sure we need to be super stubborn about the order, i think that while it's not *quite* on auto it's p close
i do think we die over you tongith (if not both if we don't hit scum today????) so i feel like i need to get all my thoughts out there

~ skitter

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(i basically don't want to shoot dwlee in a world where we have a red left to find after cakez flips)

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i know this is the post i'm thinking of ... but why'd you volunteer in the first place???

because our odds improve significantly if we elim a bad guy here since there will be one fewer bad guy nightkill.

me being roleblocked/vigged would mean I would have no chance of winning this game if I were a bad guy.

i mean yes but the part i'm confused abt is why town-you volunteers and isn't like 'oh i think i scumread X the most lets vig/rb them'

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infinity would you prefer some sort of contingency shot based on cakez' flip i just am getting decision paralysis at this point

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the interactions between cakez/dwlee have looked a little goofy today but i obviously can't dig into that as much as i'd like to based on recent posts about each other

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I mean sure but from my pov it looks like you're looking for the least-bad outcome

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I wouldn't worry about it too much

have you me me tho

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met*

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I actually wasnt paranoid of that one

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If cakez flips mafia shoot gamma

If cakez flips town or SK I'd prefer dwlee, but gamma is ok too

feel like you'd want this backward from this assuming we don't think dwlee is red

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infinity would you prefer some sort of contingency shot based on cakez' flip i just am getting decision paralysis at this point

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If cakez flips mafia shoot gamma

If cakez flips town or SK I'd prefer dwlee, but gamma is ok too

I wouldn't worry about it too much

Ok but like pooky tomorrow?

Also if cakez is sk dwlee is cleared imo i would be shocked if they were groupscum

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I don't think I've seen him even consider the possibility of me being town this entire game

ngl this is lowkey kinda how i felt about you w/ us earlier (and maybe how penguin feels w/ us on him)

circle of life

p-edit: fucking :eyeroll: lol

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Sorry, if cakez is mafia or town I'd prefer dwlee

i'd be willing to do that (and gamma if sk) if that's how you want to play it

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skitter and i talked and i think we're gonna

unconditionally shoot gamma

just so it is crystal clear what happened.

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i think it's suspcious that [Pooky]'s actively looking to be rb'd (i.e. over vigged)

Pooky is sort of a waste of good suspicion at this point. I'm blocking him, if we come up short a kill he's the presumptive yeet tomorrow, so regardless of his motives for accepting the RB it's not as if it can win him the game if he's scum.

Fair enuf

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penguin do the thing

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skitter and i talked and i think we're gonna

unconditionally shoot gamma

just so it is crystal clear what happened.

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^

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VOTE: cakez

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Something like: dats > dwlee > heaven > penguin > gamma > pooky for the unsorted slots for me

Happy scum day penguin!

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i think that 234 group moves around a bit for me depending on how the mood strikes me but meh

gl all

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UNVOTE:

Its not technically i think and i'm ok with that

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Pooky
We were the gamma shot obvs

I think we can get p close to auto given that we can shoot ans umlaut can block.

We only need to go through pooky/dats/penguin/dwlee

Fwiw i think sk, whether its pooky or not, is incentivezed to not kill last night

But i think we should try to sorr out the mechanics prior to flipping pooky

~ skitter

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Ya

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I think we should massclaim at this point, i dont thinj there's anything else out there anyways

I think if we coordinare this right we can get to auto yeah i jusy havent actually planned it out yet

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Pooky first idc otherwise

Pedit: i think we would prefer if we target heaven and you block penguin

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Our lost shot n1 was corroborated by umlaut when there were already 2 kills

Like we could technically be sk but the there's no claimed source for the a50 kill since we were blocked n1

We might not be literally conftown but we lolclaimed a missing third kill prior to knowing that there was a rb, and no vig has cc'd us

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You're literally conftown if there's no other vig yeah?

I think so since there's no other source for the a50 kill and we were blocked that night so it coulsnt have been us

So like we cant be sk from your pov i think (?)

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We think we may have supposed to have been 1s and only 1 v was rolled

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Just in case this isnt a win can we fast night plz

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Also can we wait a couple more hours, hqvent heard from bork yet and just want to make sure he's said everything he wants to prior to hammer?

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Or not

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Tigerente vigs Heaven tonight, I block PenguinPower.

But we're doing this ^

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We shot heaven, so i think thats gg

VOTE: heaven

Still want to say i'm baffled by the a50 shot n1