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No it wasn't. At least not beyond the trivial "all votes are to some extent serious" sense of the phrase. If I'm wrong and you have a real reason you're welcome to share it instead of inviting us to play 20 Questions.In post 24, Flea The Magician wrote:RVS Breaker: My vote was serious. Discuss.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Actually this opening salvo by Flea is soprima faciesilly that only town could think it was a good idea.
VOTE: Lemons“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I get why y'all would find Flea's case unconvincing but I don't see how it's scummy at all.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Sympathetic to this.In post 116, T3 wrote:
No clue, I've got a bunch of townreads but no scumreads.In post 106, Marky Mark wrote:Who's scum rn off the top of your head if not Flea?
TRs now are Flea, Lemons, Raya. Maybe osuka too but that's more gut than anything I've thought about.
VOTE: Enchant
Don't see any reason to care enough about the question in 42 to reiterate it in 115. This reads like fake activity to me.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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WMFMIn post 136, Major Minor wrote:There are other slots who had done less (and have still done less) and yet you're not applying the same scrutiny to them yet. Strange.
(This tell didn't actually work in my last game but I still think it has merit)“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Why Me = Fry MeIn post 140, Major Minor wrote:
I don't know what this means.In post 139, Umlaut wrote:
WMFMIn post 136, Major Minor wrote:There are other slots who had done less (and have still done less) and yet you're not applying the same scrutiny to them yet. Strange.
(This tell didn't actually work in my last game but I still think it has merit)
Responding to accusations by asking "why me and not [these other people]?" is +scum“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Lol did MM actually include the co-mod on his list of suspects? Can't believe I missed that, it's self-defensive "please yeet anyone but me" finger-pointing if ever I saw it.
VOTE: Major Minor
Let's murder us a cultist, folks.
I still think Enchant's insistence on that particular question of "how did Flea know" is weird but pretty much agree with Raya in 128. MM is way worse,
(Incidentally, having played with Raya before, I regard mindmelding with her as a significant towntell)“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Why is self-defensive "please yeet anyone but me" finger-pointing more likely to come from scum than town? Is that your question?In post 170, Major Minor wrote:
Hmmm.In post 164, Umlaut wrote:Lol did MM actually include the co-mod on his list of suspects? Can't believe I missed that, it's self-defensive "please yeet anyone but me" finger-pointing if ever I saw it.
VOTE: Major Minor
Let's murder us a cultist, folks.
Why is that more likely to come from scum than town, exactly?
Because scum just want anyone yeeted but them, and town have higher priorities.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Incidentally, my day one accuracy in catching scum has been absolutely stellar as of late so I think I'm going to finally develop that infamous MafiaScum ego and declare unilaterally that everyone with a green role PM should sheep me if they like winning.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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This is actually a good question. I would have assumed Cult Cop but I don't see anything that clearly states it one way or the other (though the lack of a sample flip PM saying 'Cult Cop' would suggest it would just be 'Cultist')In post 187, Enchant wrote:How you tell apart simple cultist from cultist-cop?
Or do converted remain their powerrole and flip as some "Cult Cop"? I think it simple "Cultist".
@mod: Can you answer as to whether a player who begins as Town Cop and then gets cult-recruited would flip as 'Cult Cop' or as 'Cultist'?“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Enchant, I'd appreciate your stating some kind of opinion on the MaMi wagon. (Is that abbreviation any better?)“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Why do you think this would sign your death warrant?In post 230, Major Minor wrote:Mmmm. I know this is probably going to sign my death warrant, but whatever.
VOTE: Enchant
I believe this slot is independently scummy.
The opening "I claim Mafia Goon" is just cheeky enough that I could see cult doing it. This is purely conjecture, yes, but I actually think opening with that kind of joke is more likely to come from scum than town. Disagree? Okay, skip this point.
So much of what Enchant does early is split into two buckets: obviously farcical joking, or trying to direct town actions.
Almost the ENTIRETY of Enchant's posting so far is sort of playing in this orbitaroundthe game rather than engaging with the game itself. What I mean is... it's all jokes, or it's talkingtheoryabout what couldhypotheticallybe the best play in any given scenario. Then we keep going with it... what is the ideal claim? Is it bad to reveal roles? Should we massclaim? All this stuff looks neat but... Enchant doesn't have to engage with the game at all when doing this.
Look at all of Enchant's posts thus far. None of them give reads or attempt to pressure anyone or press suspicious actions. But there sure are a lot of them! Because waxing poetic about theory and hypotheticals is a very neat way for scum to generate content without opening themselves up to much risk.
Enchant isn't a bad vote tbh“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Kind of think the solve is just {Major Minor, T3}“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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What sense does it make as scum though?In post 278, T3 wrote:It makes no sense why Enchant qwould pop in to a serious discussion and random.org vote someone as town.... like eiter that shows 0 motivation to play the game or they're scum.
One way or the other Enchant is doing senseless things so I don't see how they can't just as well be town doing senseless things.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Well this slowed down.
It's possible, sure. I have no meta one way or the other with Enchant so I can't say whether they find it hard to fake reads. I'm inclined to say that randing their vote is so conspicuous I wouldn't expect it from scum, but blah blah wifom who knows.In post 291, Raya36 wrote:Is it possible Enchant is struggling to come up with reads because they're scum and know who town is? I thought Enchant was better than that but I can't remember specific meta off the top of my head.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Uhhhh wtf
You had, what, two votes on you? This was completely unnecessary.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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What the...In post 312, Enchant wrote:I hope this didn't jeopardize whole game and you are not pissed.
Either way, i changed my mind. Don't claim. I think it's already good other PR know who is me.
Everyone remember this for the day we actually do massclaim because if we have too many PR claims this will come off in retrospect as "real PRs, please don't cc me"“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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VOTE: Enchant
That's L-1, I recommend you fullclaim since you are so eager to do so.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Hard agree that you fucked this game up if you're town.
UNVOTE: Enchant
I can re-vote if there's a counterclaim, otherwise I'll likely go back to Major Minor.
PSA: If you are a Rolestopper, Jailkeeper, Friendly Neighbor, or Unrecruitable Townie, you can counterclaim Enchant. If you are a Cop, Tracker, or Vanilla Townie, you cannot.
I'm looking over the setup matrix now and every possibility has at least one role who could counter a fake Rolestopper claim, so barring a cc we should believe it.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Enchant, you should commit now to telling us all your rolestop targets (the next day, not in advance). It's generally pro-town to do so and it will force future cult!you to make up plausible targets, which might still give town some information. Of course cult!you could just renege on the promise but then we can all safely assume you've been brainwashed.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I think T3 saying in effect "now I believe Enchant's claim" makes it pretty obvious he doesn't have a counterclaim (and, in case anyone is still unclear on this, neither do I). At any rate if he tries to make a counterclaim later I'm certainly not going to believe it.
I don't think T3 keeping his vote on Enchant after the "I'm a PR" claim is scum-indicative at all. I voted Enchant after that and so did others so that's an odd thing to pick on T3 specifically for.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Shoot, I was just typing up a question for Lemons too ("why are you still voting the effectively-confirmed town PR")“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Well it's better than keeping your vote on Enchant anyway, but I suppose you probably don't trust me then.
At one point I thought the team was {Major Minor, T3} but now they're voting one another and I'm not sure what to think. It could possibly be one of them with you, I kind of soured on Lemons (heh) when they just kind of did nothing including change their vote after Enchant's claim and the replace-out doesn't help either.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Sort of seems like there's no point in Major Minor making a case that I'm scum while voting his scumbuddy T3 so I think that team is likely wrong but I'm not sure which if either half is right.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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They fucked around for most of the day, then started suggesting PRs should just come out and claim on Day 1, then explicitly claimed to have a PR when they had only two votes on them (though as I recall a lot of people agreed they were weird and null at best), then immediately said they changed their mind and no other PRs should claim. This was erratic and suspect enough behavior to get them pushed to L-1 and a full claim extracted; they're a Town Rolestopper. I'm assuming this claim is true since if it weren't someone would be able to counterclaim.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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At its peak the Enchant wagon was {Major Minor, T3, InsidiousLemons, me}“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I didn't really think about who was or wasn't on the wagon with me (and if I had I hope I still wouldn't have let it sway me). I didn't really have Enchant as anything like a townread in the first place, then 312 really pinged me and made me want to resolve that slot.In post 400, Dwlee99 wrote:Umlaut you voted with your initial solve onto Enchant (major minor + t3). Why?
Having resolved it, I think there is very likely scum on the Enchant wagon. I can't make up my mind who is most likely but I sort of feel the most town about T3 out of the three now (meaning it's Major Minor and/or you).“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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They had already claimed PR in 299 after encouraging PRs to claim, and asked for other PR to claim as well, then suddenly reversed course in 312 and said "no, no one else should claim." At the time I thought this looked suspect, and specifically like trying to ward off potential counterclaims. Knowing their PR claim is legit I suppose it was just that they realized revealing themselves as a PR had been a mistake (and I agree it was!).“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I was about to say "Beetlejuice tell" but Beetlejuice is paradoxically so well-known that for someone with a 2014 join date it's effectively an anti-tell
VOTE: Dwlee
I'm suddenly more interested in this than I am in the Major or T3. Lemons' jump onto Enchant is oddly timed in that based on their posts theyshouldhave voted Enchant pages and pages prior butdidn'tvote Enchant until it was safe (look at 290 basically asking Major's permission to join the wagon??) and then were oddly resistant to jumping back off; 333 seems to acknowledge that Enchant's claim most likely comes from town but still leaves the vote there, and 364stillleaves the vote there (admittedly that was a "sorry I'm busy" post and devoid of content but it's not that hard to write the word "unvote")
Then Dwlee arrives, votes me, and immediatelyreassuresme that I can talk them out of it. Something has rubbed me the wrong way about our interactions; it doesn't feel like they're talking to me the way you talk to a scumread. They also continue Lemons' habit of picking at things that are surface-level "bad" but not really scum-indicative: how is my answer to a question like 400 possibly supposed to help anyone sort me? It's just a make-work question, the kind of thing a personthinksthey should read as scummy but in reality probably shouldn't care about if they actually care about finding scum.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Most likely unavailable today because of ~reasons~, will catch up tomorrow“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Actually I'm going to go ahead and completely change my mind about Dwlee, they're likely town based solely on the strength of 405-406 in general (or else Dwlee is excellent at faking town motivation) and their indignance at my voting them seems genuine.
I got some town vibes from osuka earlier in the game (and this is from someone who just picked him out as scum in another game) but I don't really remember why anymore
Let's just stick to plan A.
VOTE: Major Minor“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Honestly calling me lazy is fair, I've sort of lost interest in this day and I think proceeding to a flip will help. Also I actually feel pretty good about the Major wagon and don't really see the need to exert myself.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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This reaction is like +++town, scum almost certainly takes that moment to accuse me of "backpedaling" or somethingIn post 471, Dwlee99 wrote:It would have been a lot easier to know you're evil if you didn't just make that post. Now it's complicated.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I actually could do Osuka if Major is out of the question, I'd at least prefer it to Dwlee or Flea.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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How are you still breathing 7 hours after this
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I'm not saying it would necessarily have been the case here but I have definitely seen wagons disintegrate because of a VT claim.In post 567, Major Minor wrote:There was literally no value to me claiming.
I was VT.
If I claim VT, I just get wagoned anyway and I'm dead.
If I don't claim VT and get wagoned anyway, I'm dead and it doesn't matter.
If I don't claim VT and the wagon falls apart, then at least I haven't given scum more info with which to make their night choices.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I keep forgetting and reminding myself that no one dies at night
I guess we have to presume we're in lylo (let'syeet orlose) though there's an outside chance cult either no-recruited or was prevented from recruiting.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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This is another thing I keep forgettingIn post 588, Flea The Magician wrote:Sorry how is this mylo?
Cult is capped at 3, you know that right?
My first impulse today would have been T3 based on my assumption thatsomeoneon the Enchant wagon had to be cult, but the 584-586 progression is kind of town“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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So if we yeet town today then tomorrow is 3:4, and if we yeet a cultist (not leader) tomorrow is (probably)still3:4, lovely“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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In post 591, T3 wrote:Hold up, how do you know the cult leader is a him unless you know who the cult leader is?@Enchant
You can't possibly think this is a real slip. Rightly or not, it is very common to use 'him' generically like this.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Kind of agree this looks bad now that you point it out; Dwlee's response seems to be responding to the claim that it implies a strong scum read but it still seems to contradict the idea that it was just "I don't like plurality yeets" (which is kind of a weird reason in the first place)In post 617, Marky Mark wrote:I literally remember you saying you hammered because they didn't claim. That implies there was an element of SRing them“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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So you hammered them because they didn't claim which is antitownbutyou didn't actually scumread their lack of a claimandyou would have hammered anyway because you don't like plurality yeet?
Do I have that sorted correctly?“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Raya, talk to me about T3? He posted 584 asking for a claim and then immediately retracted that in 586, which struck me as towny (because I think a cultist would have no need toreallyreconsider and probably wouldn't make that post in the first place). If he's a cultist do you think this is just pure "post some stuff that looks town" faking or do you think it serves some scum agenda?“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I'm okay with either of those too. Osuka maybe scummier by play but T3 was on the Enchant wagon so idk.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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That post seriously makes me want to vote Osuka more than anything Osuka himself has posted.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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UNVOTE: osuka
Assuming this claim is true, and I do assume that, we're in B3. Cult consisted of a Leader and Rolecop as of last night, so most likely both of them targeted someone unless they were being extra sneaky. Meaning this is a flat-out clear of osuka (unless he got recruited which I also don't really believe)
It'spossibleFlea is Tracker-turned-Cultist who is just lying about results but I don't think that's what's happening here.
This is a point I hadn't thought of. It's actually better to yeet a townie than a cultist (unless CL) then, because we can at least be guaranteed to hold on to a PR in that caseIn post 690, Flea The Magician wrote:Fuck it, cult has 3 unless they held the recruit so I can't be recruited unless we hit one of them.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I threw this out here as an offhand "oh yeah I guess this is possible too" but now I'm making myself paranoid continuing to think about itIn post 693, Umlaut wrote:It'spossibleFlea is Tracker-turned-Cultist who is just lying about results but I don't think that's what's happening here.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I really don't see cult no-recruiting because it means if they lose their leader d2 they're totally screwed. Rolecop could no-investigate but Osuka is still cleared as leader in that case.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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It's not really possible, assuming that both claims are 'true' in the sense the players were assigned the roles they claim at the beginning of the game (but may have been culted last night) and that townies don't lie about their actions.In post 713, Dwlee99 wrote:If cult leader!osuka caught the crumb I guess it would make more sense to recruit flea than to no target, but then what if enchant rolestopped flea? It is implausible but certainly possible- If Enchant wasculted, they may lie about their target but Flea is town and would tell us if they got a no-result last night. Instead Flea claims a "did not go anywhere" result.
- If Enchant wasn'tculted, they're telling the truth and rolestopped Mark, not Osuka (I assume this is what you mean rather than "rolestopped Flea")
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655In post 716, osuka wrote:
what postIn post 658, Umlaut wrote:That post seriously makes me want to vote Osuka more than anything Osuka himself has posted.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Honestly I think it's about a 2000% chance that Enchant got culted anyway so any line of hypotheticals that starts with "if Flea got culted" is probably not worth thinking too hard about
Do you disagree, Dwlee?“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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It's possible Flea misread your "yes" as "yes, I disagree" (or I suppose it's possible that I misread it as agreement and Flea read it correctly)“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Major is voting from beyond the grave?In post 775, Korina wrote:Raya (2) - Major, Enchant“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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VOTE: T3
It's better than the Raya wagon anyway.
Note: Raya and T3 are both one vote from yeet“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I suck at counting is how soIn post 782, Flea The Magician wrote:
Hang on, how so?In post 779, Umlaut wrote:VOTE: T3
It's better than the Raya wagon anyway.
Note: Raya and T3 are both one vote from yeet
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I feel like if T3 is town then going on a little longer after "hammer" could have spewed him town and that makes me wonder if cult!Enchant revealed he wasn't hammered just to keep him from doing that?
UNVOTE: T3
Game is hard :/“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Hi
I still don't really believe Raya is scum but hitting town is probably the second best thing we can do after hitting CL.
That said, 805 and 845 are relatively convincing (at least on the point that the reaction doesn't clear T3)
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