White flag #824 game over

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Datisi

First poster scum > 90%

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Implosion
I'm trusting the cow

[Dwlee99]

Okay flea gets to be town

[Dwlee99]

actually i think i'm gonna VOTE: bugspray

i don't think gamma provided any *great* rebuttals to bugspray, so the fact that they unvoted him anyway, and then voted implo (who just so happened to be the leading wagon) without any actual thoughts written out for why they did that? and with seeming a lot of confidence?

I feel like this has more reason to think gamma is scum but then you voted bugspray?

[Dwlee99]

Oh, I thought you were saying gamma unvoted bugs, not the other way around.

[Dwlee99]

Ahhh okay I'll play the game

[Dwlee99]

Reread in progress

[Dwlee99]

Okay I got three pages in

GuiltyLion
Gamma Emerald
Not_Mafia
Flea the Magician
Infinity 324
MURDERCAT
Dwlee99

goats
bugspray
implosion
Klick
Datisi
PookyTheMagicalBear

My top is who I feel good about. They are town I think. Bottom people are the PoE, maybe if I ordered them in vibe of null to scummy it'd be like??

goats
PookyTheMagicalBear
Datisi
Klick
bugspray
implosion

[Dwlee99]

People voting me (infinity and guilty) are probably town for kicking my butt into action.

I also just liked their posting before that too

NM made a good start calling reads and stuff. I don't know how to read him but also he just seems uninformed.

I liked Gamma's entrance, it was good.

Flea also had a good entrance.

Last time Murdercat was evil I caught him very quick which is a pseudo-meta tell and also my scumdar is broken BUT I think he is town here because I don't think he is evil.

[Dwlee99]

Okay I got three pages in

...?

why would you make a readslist three pages in when the whole game is 6 pages long?

I stopped wanting to read, sorry

[Dwlee99]

I liked Gamma's entrance, it was good.

:/
you liked my entrance but didn't think to interact with it?

This is more on reread

[Dwlee99]

I thought it lost effectiveness after a certain point in the game but uhh but I'll pick you and flea.

[Dwlee99]

Yes, yes, nope

[Dwlee99]

Goats why don't you like Gamma's entrance?

[Dwlee99]

Gamma wants to actually do something with his opening and use it to solve. It wasn't just the entrance specifically but also how he built off of it and showed how he wanted to use it to solve in a genuine way

[Dwlee99]

Gamma wants to actually do something with his opening and use it to solve. It wasn't just the entrance specifically but also how he built off of it and showed how he wanted to use it to solve in a genuine way

What solving did Gamma do with his opening exercise? I didn't see him make many reads off it, he moved on really quick.

Gamma talks about how the info gleaned from it can be used later for associatives and to get people a core group to discuss things with.

[Dwlee99]

Think that goats and lion is TvT

[Dwlee99]

GuiltyLion
Gamma Emerald
Not_Mafia
Flea the Magician
Infinity 324
Dwlee99
PookyTheMagicalBear
goats

MURDERCAT

bugspray
implosion
Klick
Datisi

Putting murder in the middle cause I want more ~stuff~ from him. Hopefully killing everyone below and including murder would win the game.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: BUGS

[Dwlee99]

Gamma wants to actually do something with his opening and use it to solve. It wasn't just the entrance specifically but also how he built off of it and showed how he wanted to use it to solve in a genuine way

What solving did Gamma do with his opening exercise? I didn't see him make many reads off it, he moved on really quick.

Gamma talks about how the info gleaned from it can be used later for associatives and to get people a core group to discuss things with.

has gamma actually done any of that?

and if it's something that bears fruit d2 - shouldn't you be waiting until he actually comes through on it to townread him? otherwise he can easily make a bunch of promises and never actually follow through

it's strange to me that you're townreading him for essentially saying "i have this strategy that will produce good solves, but it will only come true later on", and you're townread him now for it, rather than when he actually produces results

I think he has cause I've seen hints of it but Gamma wants to hold that info for now so that the reactions don't get muddied so I'm not going to elaborate.

[Dwlee99]

sigh. VOTE: guiltylion

dwlee, why is guiltylion your top townread?

It's not ordered

[Dwlee99]

is the bottom ordered? and you're still free to explain why you townread him

Nope

I don't see scummy things. The weirdest thing has been his reaction to goats claiming we could be partnered which might be a caught for the wrong reasons kind of thing but also could just be frustrated town.

[Dwlee99]

Is the case caught for wrong reasons or something else?

[Dwlee99]

The frustration seems genuine. Whether the scumread is is the more alignment indicative thing so I need to look at that more

[Dwlee99]

@dats, I'm gonna reeval cause I'm realizing my top list is too big right now. I was kind of doing a reverse mafia thing where I find town and then the bottom list ends up being PoE but implosion's emotional thing should maybe move him to the top list? And then I'd be silly to think I PoE'd the three scum on day one so I need to reeval the top people to figure out who shouldn't be there anymore.

[Dwlee99]

You're a ninja

[Dwlee99]

The reeval you have all been waiting for

Gamma Emerald
PookyTheMagicalBear
Infinity 324
Dwlee99
implosion
Not_Mafia

Flea The Magician
GuiltyLion
Datisi
Klick
goats

bugspray
MURDERCAT

I now have a middle row for people that confuse me. Bask in the innovation I have created.

[Dwlee99]

Bugs did a weird hop onto gamma then justified it badly and then did another weird hop onto implosion.

People that confuse me seem townieish but give me reservations.

Flea - they did something that pinged me as townie but have been ??? sometimes

GuiltyLion - duh

Datisi - you seem different from before? but also not? Is this meta?

Klick - posts okay but also not enough to make me think good good

Goats - aggression is townie sort of maybe but also sometimes scum powerwolf there and it makes me nervous especially if GuiltyLion is town

[Dwlee99]

dwlee gives me the same too-reasonable vibes they gave me in draft mafia

Meta BAD

why is guiltylion a "duh"? i don't think you actually said anything about him, other than you liked he kicked your ass into high gear, and then later on that you don't see anything scummy from him. did i miss you talking more in depth about him somewhere?

also uh, do you wanna talk about anything wrt me?

GuiltyLion is a duh because his whole thing with goats is confusing to understand

Idk my reservations on you aren't super rational

You're supposed to obvtown but I didn't feel that way in to tell the truth so

[Dwlee99]

why is guiltylion a "duh"? i don't think you actually said anything about him, other than you liked he kicked your ass into high gear, and then later on that you don't see anything scummy from him. did i miss you talking more in depth about him somewhere?

also uh, do you wanna talk about anything wrt me?

GuiltyLion is a duh because

his whole thing with goats is confusing to understand

what's confusing about it?

Genuine frustration but as I said before it could be a caught for the wrong reasons thing and if he is town I kinda get what he is saying about your push on him? Which is why you're also in my confused pile.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Murdercat

[Dwlee99]

i *want* to say that dwlee's play around murdercat strikes me as odd in a bad way, but that would probably be more my own confbias than anything.

But why

[Dwlee99]

I don't have to poke and prod in every single direction at once jfc

[Dwlee99]

because the "haha guys i can read murdercat and he's not obvious scum so he's probtown" is like, a lazy read that i've done as scum before (tbf it was towards a townie), but coupled with then weirdly shifting him in the middle because he's obviously being a non-entity, then dropping him down completely but not voting him until someone else did just strikes me as weird - like partner not wanting to scumread a buddy, but realizing the buddy is giving them literally nothing to work with (and knowing there's me/pooky here who would probably see you in a bad light if you flubbed a townread on murdercat) and voting them when others are but still like, not saying anything about him or whatever

i don't wanna get tunneled/confbiased on the above because i am aware that i rarely make early s/s reads that end up making sense, and i'm aware it's possible you were just at a wrong place at a wrong time so to speak, so idk lol

thoughts on recent murdercat posting?

IDK he is just posting things but not really towntelling

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee can you walk me through how Pooky went from a SR to a TR for you, I don't think you explained that progression

Pooky hadn't done anything when I had them in the PoE pile but the first wall was good posting and I read all the reactions to my posts and they felt legit. Since then, I think his reaction to implo emote telling was good.

[Dwlee99]

Also regarding you and goats it just isn't a priority for me to figure out right now. Neither of you are up for lim today and there's no point in me putting in effort with less information when I can do it with more later

[Dwlee99]

I guess technically you're up for lim but gamestate-wise it isn't going through here.

[Dwlee99]

I don't want him up for lim.

[Dwlee99]

More info will help us read him later in the game. Right now I think we hit scum limming in bugs/murdercat

[Dwlee99]

Goats can you reread my post!

[Dwlee99]

Oops, ! -> ?

[Dwlee99]

I'm not gonna get nightkilled. I have bigger scumreads. It's a waste of time

[Dwlee99]

To add on to my above post: if we hit scum, living associatives are much stronger due to the setup. This will help us sort slots.

[Dwlee99]

What game do you think I'm similar to rn infinity?

[Dwlee99]

Answer: open draft where I didn't play anything like this

So you're wrong

[Dwlee99]

If you're gonna use meta at least either townread me or be correct thanks

[Dwlee99]

Similar vibes objective ok

[Dwlee99]

Fair enough

[Dwlee99]

Infinity did you know I was actually a post-game miller there? I was actually town.

[Dwlee99]

Bugs caught like a ... you know the rest

[Dwlee99]

It's a rhetorical question

Or maybe not idk

[Dwlee99]

I'm at the point where I think maybe bugs/MC lims just win so let's do it. Which one are we murdering first?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: bugs

[Dwlee99]

How about bug wagon?

[Dwlee99]

Epic

[Dwlee99]

Goats seems desperate to stop the bugs wagon so maybe we are on the right track?

[Dwlee99]

Pooky, I think you are onto something so I'll do MC or bugs today and I think both just flip red so whatever. Feel like maybe goats is third and he was okay bussing MC but realizes that if bugs dies here it's over cause MC follows? Idk.

[Dwlee99]

all the votes are naked

VOTE: dwlee99

[Dwlee99]

Nothing, that's the problem

[Dwlee99]

Nothing, that's the problem

you know bugspray's meta as town is to afk quit right?

You modded a game where they were my only townread to the point I faked a confirmation on them, and they were the only one that didn't think they were evil. And... They didn't play afk like they are now.

[Dwlee99]

Goats seems desperate to stop the bugs wagon so maybe we are on the right track?

yeah one person thinking a wagon is bad means they're partners and the wagon is good actually

excellent logic dwlee

Yes

[Dwlee99]

Pooky, I think you are onto something so I'll do MC or bugs today and I think both just flip red so whatever. Feel like maybe goats is third and he was okay bussing MC but realizes that if bugs dies here it's over cause MC follows? Idk.

I will say, this post is just a little bit buck wild. 12 choose 3 = 220, etc.

This why the last three letters of my post exist

[Dwlee99]

I didn't make that meta argument

[Dwlee99]

dwlee is pooky mafia too?

No that's you

[Dwlee99]

but pooky also said bugspray wasn't scum for much the same reasons i did

and you just said that I was scum for trying to derail the bugspray wagon

But Pooky is a bear and you're a gun

[Dwlee99]

Oh not mafia is in the game.

[Dwlee99]

i think dwlee immediately seeing me as scum trying to derail the bugspray wagon but then being apathetic towards pooky having a similar line of thought is suggestive that they have a specific agenda and only care about those reasons when it's convenient to push that agenda

i would like a wagon that isn't bugspray or murdercat and if you guys don't want to do GL I think dwlee is a good alternative

Dude

[Dwlee99]

I'm gunna lock in {Pooky, Dwlee, Bugs} as my hero solve actually, I'll go with my early gut on Flea.

Would prefer the others to bugs obviously, but happy to compromise there later.

Scum hunt better

[Dwlee99]

What if we just policy limmed not mafia.

[Dwlee99]

i think dwlee immediately seeing me as scum trying to derail the bugspray wagon but then being apathetic towards pooky having a similar line of thought is suggestive that they have a specific agenda and only care about those reasons when it's convenient to push that agenda

i would like a wagon that isn't bugspray or murdercat and if you guys don't want to do GL I think dwlee is a good alternative

Dude

Also to expand on this dude: I was following a random train of thought I was having in the moment and included "idk" after it because it doesn't completely make sense but you took it as like my diehard solve of you, bugs, and MC and not just a thought I had.

[Dwlee99]

I mean we have 4 days

[Dwlee99]

Hi north

[Dwlee99]

I'm responding to goats there why would RC care?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Murdercat
Maybe NM if this is town.

[Dwlee99]

Gladiator battle let's a go

[Dwlee99]

Is goats a secret hydra ...?

[Dwlee99]

Murdercat do you pinky promise that there is one scum between us?

[Dwlee99]

Infinity was in my top reads but also her meta argument on me was bad and hasn't really done anything since earlier when I thought she was town which is part recency bias part you should do stuff other than push town if you're town.

[Dwlee99]

Murdercat do you pinky promise that there is one scum between us?

I promise there's not 2

That makes two of us

[Dwlee99]

Infinity was in my top reads but also her meta argument on me was bad and hasn't really done anything since earlier when I thought she was town which is part recency bias part you should do stuff other than push town if you're town.

fair except no one's posting except the people i've already sorted

besides murdercat who i've been talking about

But you can update those sorts shruggers

[Dwlee99]

I think there is a ton of content for you to update reads on

[Dwlee99]

I think NSG's entrance actually isn't that good on reflection cause I feel like she sort of just said some consensusy stuff and then didn't scumread my posts but said other people would so she would?

[Dwlee99]

for some reason this post pings me as scum. can't explain it, just being upfront about it.

let me quote myself here – i think that if i were RC i would kill you for this post alone.

These post don't actually advance anything other than subtly bringing "dwlee is scum" vibes into the thread.

[Dwlee99]

{nsg}
{infinity, datisi}
{klick}
{goats, pooky, gamma, guilty}
{implosion, NM} - null
{MURDERCAT, dwlee, flea}

And then these reads are just weird.

Feel like implosion should be higher, klick lower. Relative placements feel weird from how I've thought about the game, and I also don't like the scumread on flea.

Unless this reads list isn't from after the implosion reaction to Pooky I'm scratching my head here.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: NSG
I'm gonna go back here

[Dwlee99]

are you asserting that i knew what the consensus was before reading the thread?

You could have looked at people's reads or talked in the scum PT or something. But your reads are like consensus but then not in weird places imo. Like you townread mainly the people that have no pressure on them or built up thread sentiment against them.

also, it's a little inaccurate (and possibly a little dishonest) to say that that's all i've said about you. there were a few posts that gut pinged me as scum, i thought that your readslist was fairly strange, and i think that my point regarding 236 has a little more nuance than you're giving it credit for (actually you seem to just outright be misinterpreting what i meant, intentionally or unintentionally).

I'm not sure what more you can be saying other than what I've interpreted it as. You said RC would think I'm scum for that post and so you're going to because you think RC has a certain way of playing to listen to, but I don't think RC commented on it anyway? And there were some other things but there still isn't anything concrete (and I'm saying this myself as normally a more vibe-based player).

[Dwlee99]

{infinity, datisi} -

No one has pushed them that I recall

{klick} -

Hardly pushed

{goats, pooky, gamma, guilty} -

been pushed/shaded moderately

{implosion, NM} - null -

implosion has been pushed more than the above. NM kind of sticks out here

{MURDERCAT, dwlee, flea} -

Me and MC have been pushed a lot and flea is not posting much.

[Dwlee99]

That your reads are very consensusy relative to how hard people have been pushed which is a very easy position to put yourself in if you're scum. As for you and MC... Idk, there aren't a ton of not!partner interactions between you and MC and MC's thunderdoming is kind of giving me cold feet because I don't know why scum!MC picks a fight I think he knows he loses there.

[Dwlee99]

Well sure, there is a relation, but that your reads list conforms to it very closely is extremely strange if you're not just going along with thread vibes.

[Dwlee99]

Goats is in my unsorted pile

[Dwlee99]

Pooky do you think anything about what I said regarding North's reads list?

[Dwlee99]

But it is very go with the flow. It isn't even that it was just like agreeing with people's reads, it agreed with how much people had been pushed, which I think are different.

[Dwlee99]

Maybe. His thunderdome threw me off.

[Dwlee99]

That'd be cool but no

[Dwlee99]

MC needs thoughts on northside

[Dwlee99]

I think goats is scum now

[Dwlee99]

The most manufactured scumread I think I've seen. Scumreads me for post size when they do the same sort of posts as me.

[Dwlee99]

The most manufactured scumread I think I've seen. Scumreads me for post size when they do the same sort of posts as me.

Yeah I'm about to churn out buckets of content you're hanging back and lightly poking at things. Considering how briefly I've been in thread I don't believe this is real at all.

You said you read two pages lmfao

[Dwlee99]

And in those were my thoughts on northside which I thought were nuanced so uh :monocle:

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Goats
Someone explain flea wagon to me

[Dwlee99]

MC read on Pooky reminds me of MC read on LLD in Yggdrasil so that is tempting.

[Dwlee99]

MC read on Pooky reminds me of MC read on LLD in Yggdrasil so that is tempting.

So you think I'm town?

Maybe

[Dwlee99]

That I'm finding this a similar vibe in combination with your thunderdome makes me think you might be town p much.

[Dwlee99]

Every hydra keeps up the appearance of internal disagreements always.

[Dwlee99]

Yes... it's been seen as a towntell since I joined. I mean here is a quote from a game I played in 2016:
Subject: Cyberpunk Mafia [Game Over!]

Full disclosure: I told Titus we should push players I know will crack under pressure like Beeboy, Dwlee, and Rylai. She argued with me before our first post and then started shit with Diamond to mess up my game plan. I disavow her posts.

Bad

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler:

Subject: Cyberpunk Mafia [Game Over!]

ABR did not go ham and has not been going on the warpath he promised me. BadGirls voted and unvoted Tammy, which shows some hydra dissonance on reading the slot, or perhaps coaching between the two players, but I really haven't seen the fist-first aggression that I expected from an aware-of-his-own-death-immunity ABR.

So, y'know, there's that.

And here is someone talking about the dissonance between the head's reads in a positive way.

[Dwlee99]

MC read on Pooky reminds me of MC read on LLD in Yggdrasil so that is tempting.

Okay this doesn’t really vibe well, this reminds me of how scum!me twists anecdotal meta to my ends
And I’ve never really seen anyone even practice my brand of anecdotal meta on ANY level so it’s doubly skeevy

I make these kinds of references a lot I think?

[Dwlee99]

How do you know if it was deliberate before the flip my guy?

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee do you have a read on my posts that isn't "they wolf read me!"

I don't think you've said anything that is really worth responding to

[Dwlee99]

I think this hydra dissonance is probably legit and town-indicative

if scum!goats then I doubt a head comes in here and starts posting takes without reading their own ISO or consulting with them about the gamestate, especially one that contradicts a primary scumread
and I also think if scum!goats then whichever head was hard-pushing me would have been talking about it

so either this head is lying about not knowing the game or they're town

See GL is saying the exact things I am

And you're both extremely wrong to locktown a hydra for dissonance in the year of 2021

[Dwlee99]

Okay well you're a wolf

Proving my point

[Dwlee99]

ggs, my team played well. Sorry if I wasn't very useful, I can't really wolf on MS lol I always just can't be assed to post after a bit

When I looked at Esooa's account this was the first post I saw

[Dwlee99]

You avoided the game for multiple RL days how is that town indicative for you here

[Dwlee99]

You said I was evil because my posts weren't big enough. Fuck off

[Dwlee99]

You said I was evil because my posts weren't big enough. [Cyrus] off

corrected

[Dwlee99]

Completely unrelated and cause I'm bored of this discussion kinda, are you allowed to have hydras without heads revealed? I've actually never seen that before

[Dwlee99]

Pooky what is your take on the Murdercat thunderdome thing beyond lol s/s?

[Dwlee99]

Okay

I was wondering if you thought he might do it as an audacity play

[Dwlee99]

I'm confused on MC cause I've overall agreed with a lot of your case but I also kinda see where MC is coming from if he is town cause your push gives me the Yggdrasil flashbacks and I think his thunderdome thing is weird because at least at the time there I don't think he was going to win that.

[Dwlee99]

Dats you're lying if you have no reason to townread me.

[Dwlee99]

GuiltyLion
Gamma Emerald
Dwlee99
implosion

Datisi
Flea the Magician
PookyTheMagicalBear
Infinity 324
MURDERCAT
Klick

northsidegal
Not_Mafia
goats

This is where I'm at when I just put everyone into what my head associates with their slot and I'm annoyed I have much less solid townreads than before. If I'm wrong on Esooa I am probably wrong on northside cause I'm bad at this game.

[Dwlee99]

none that i can remember right now. i'm listening to why you're thinking i should be townreading you?

I think I'm clearly doing solving and having nuanced thoughts about stuff happening in the game.

[Dwlee99]

Why not

[Dwlee99]

@dwlee, from a skim of the later part of your iso, i see you call your thoughts on nsg nuanced, but the main thing i see is that you dislike that her reads are consensus-y?

Specifically that they consensus with how much people have been pushed in thread, meaning NSG is going along with thread vibe when making reads

[Dwlee99]

{infinity, datisi} -

No one has pushed them that I recall

{klick} -

Hardly pushed

{goats, pooky, gamma, guilty} -

been pushed/shaded moderately

{implosion, NM} - null -

implosion has been pushed more than the above. NM kind of sticks out here

{MURDERCAT, dwlee, flea} -

Me and MC have been pushed a lot and flea is not posting much.

I also think if NSG flips scum it implicates NM and maybe flea now that I think about it. Cause they're the two slots that buck the trend of going along with thread health. So hero solve is just {NSG, NM, Flea} but only if NSG is scum.

[Dwlee99]

@dwlee, from a skim of the later part of your iso, i see you call your thoughts on nsg nuanced, but the main thing i see is that you dislike that her reads are consensus-y?

Specifically that they consensus with how much people have been pushed in thread, meaning NSG is going along with thread vibe when making reads

and the reason they are scum going along with the flow, as opposed to town who has similar reads to the rest of the playerlist is...?

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying or something else. I'm specifically drawing a distinction between "agrees with other people about general scumminess, etc." and "reads list lines up with how much people have been pushed in thread."

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Northside
I return

[Dwlee99]

Agreeing with consensus reads is fine because they're consensus that means people agree with them. Having a reads list that coincides extremely closely to "how much has this player been pushed" shows that someone is trying to go with the flow of the thread.

[Dwlee99]

If I'm right we can call it dwleetell.

[Dwlee99]

I will say that agreeing too much with consensus is also scummy but that's way harder to actually happen in isolation cause there is hardly a quantifiable consensus on every slot.

[Dwlee99]

Flea you've posted zero readable content after I thought you slightly towntold on page like 3. How am I supposed to read you?

[Dwlee99]

oh, i see. i can agree that that thought process sounds somewhat like a townie train of thought. however, that just means that my reads are in an even bigger mess than before.

Same

[Dwlee99]

My list is not taking into account any associatives. The NSG thing is. I think you're less implicated than NM in that list if NSG is scum if that makes you feel better.

[Dwlee99]

So you agree I don't have anything to read you by and you deserve to be in the null/confused pile?

[Dwlee99]

Because I didn't make one up?

[Dwlee99]

I'm more interested in how other people are getting any read of you unless it's an activity tell (which I think is what people are using)

[Dwlee99]

What are don't push it don't dew it moments?

[Dwlee99]

Gamma do you believe in meta

[Dwlee99]

In advance so you don't have to wait for when you respond: I don't believe in meta BUT if you do then I think my play here is similar to Chrono trigger including getting wagoned for dumb reasons. And my goats read is in part motivated by my experience with Guillotina who seemed very assertive in a way you don't expect scum to be but was scum and pushing me in a similar way the more aggressive goats head has been.

[Dwlee99]

What is the iconeum tell? Is it that we are both sort of unsure of the other's wagon?

[Dwlee99]

I'm willing to go NSG (this one probably won't happen today whatever), goats (also probably won't :I), NM, or just maybe Flea if it comes down to it.

[Dwlee99]

In my experience those sorts of wagons tend to be T/T cause survivalism is more likely to dictate that it's easy to just say you'd be okay with the other wagon. Although I've definitely tried to do something similar as scum before resisting hopping onto a counterwagon on myself

[Dwlee99]

Last time this happened to me though as town the counterwagon was scum so maybe. I'll look through other games to see if this pattern holds up.

How do you think white flag changes the wagon stuff? @north

[Dwlee99]

Oh you said that you thought there was a scum in flea and me. I was thinking you were saying it was an T/S tell.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: NM

[Dwlee99]

why dwlee is scum here

It's gut, I don't feel like dwlee's opinions have been genuine/I haven't followed the progression

I'm kinda with this
the reaction to the goats push was just completely gross imo

Goats saying I'm scum for short posts while doing the same thing is what's actually gross

[Dwlee99]

People talked about how the hydra is townie for dissonance when one of the first things the new head said was making up a reason to scumread me.

[Dwlee99]

Your first post was saying I'm scum for short posts, and then you scumread me for saying that was bullshit. That's your entire progression.

[Dwlee99]

MC gets negative points for not even considering revealing me btw

[Dwlee99]

And meta bad but the reasons I'm being scumread are eerily similar to what happened in the mini that just completed (won final 3 subtle flex) and Chrono trigger like I said earlier.

[Dwlee99]

I think I did exactly what you're talking about as a scum hydra in 2016/7 but I'd have to double check

[Dwlee99]

That's a trash progression

[Dwlee99]

Whatever, either you're scum and you are full of shit and I'm correct, or you have egg on your face when I flip.

[Dwlee99]

Also the dissonance wasn't even against scum agenda because goats was moving to pushing me before this head came in, and one of the first things this head did was push me

[Dwlee99]

Also also, I think I've gotten called scum in basically every game I've been in since I came back to playing mafia for scumreading someone who scumread me for bad reasons. Which again, you'd think Gamma might know from being in a game with me where this happened.

[Dwlee99]

viewtopic.php?p=12909587#p12909587

Here's a link to what I'm talking about with me being accused of OMGUS

[Dwlee99]

I said gamma's name and he didn't respond wtf

[Dwlee99]

I mean not that I said anything that needed a response but c'mon you could Beetlejuice a little.

[Dwlee99]

Or like ~interact~ with what I said about similarities between Chrono and here.

[Dwlee99]

I said gamma's name and he didn't respond wtf

That’s because I didn’t get why you directed that at me, I’m not actively pushing you

You're shading me though

[Dwlee99]

i'm shocked nobody cares that i'm voting with my top 2 scumreads to yeet dlee

wild

I thought about it and stopped caring cause you self voted just a bit ago and figured it was another random AtE thing.

[Dwlee99]

MC gets negative points for not even considering revealing me btw

I'm not sure what this means

I feel like you should be revealing me if you're town

[Dwlee99]

yeet nsg

Now we're talking...

[Dwlee99]

revealing

reevaluating?

Oh, my phone keeps autocorrecting reevaling.

[Dwlee99]

I mean that's what scum! Pooky would want you to think

Pedit: horse mouth

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Murdercat

[Dwlee99]

Some day I'll both remember to take my Adderall and want to document all of my games.

[Dwlee99]

Enchant are you a mystic

[Dwlee99]

Infinity did you stop reading TTTT when you died? Pooky used a ton of AtE there, even when the game was effectively decided.

[Dwlee99]

cause he was pissed that clidd replaced out and they were likely to win if he didn't (correct me if i'm wrong pooky)

i'm not saying the ate has to serve a game purpose he just has to be mad about

something

Scum!Pooky here could be annoyed his mislim was falling through. I just think it's weird you think the ate here is beyond scum!Pooky.

[Dwlee99]

But if MC is town, Pooky actually has a ton of reason to want him specifically gone because he will probably be able to get a good solve later. From what was linked earlier, scum!pooky pushed MC in their last game with scum! pooky and town!MC

[Dwlee99]

@pooky see above

[Dwlee99]

And I mean you also did vote me...

[Dwlee99]

cause he was pissed that clidd replaced out and they were likely to win if he didn't (correct me if i'm wrong pooky)

i'm not saying the ate has to serve a game purpose he just has to be mad about

something

Scum!Pooky here could be annoyed his mislim was falling through. I just think it's weird you think the ate here is beyond scum!Pooky.

do you think this could be scum!Infinity TMI townreading a town!Pooky or do you think scum!Pooky or what? I'm not understanding why the sudden pushback here or how it fits into your read of the game

Scum!infinity doing something is my guess? I've had some head scratching moments from infinity here and I think she isn't thinking like I think town would with her experiences.

And I mean you also did vote me...

yea after throwing a tantrum

if i was just scum i'd just yeet you without throwing a tantrum cuz i dont give a f which townie i kill

I just explained why I think you would give a [Cyrus].

But if MC is town, Pooky actually has a ton of reason to want him specifically gone because he will probably be able to get a good solve later. From what was linked earlier, scum!pooky pushed MC in their last game with scum! pooky and town!MC

i guess, my read is just that he wouldn't get THAT mad

he was really upset

Ehh

[Dwlee99]

This is a pretty weird series of posts to make while you're voting for Murdercat lol

The initial conversation was about if Murdercat is town and I'm trying to get in infinity's headspace.

[Dwlee99]

Aye, i am here.

Do something homie

[Dwlee99]

Why no reveal

[Dwlee99]

Well I have no idea. Anyway we are at < 24 hours and E-2 so let's follow through me thinks.

[Dwlee99]

Can we get this elim through?

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: For NM

[Dwlee99]

N I C E

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Pooky ?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: NM

[Dwlee99]

I had a dream Pooky was mafia.

[Dwlee99]

But he was blue mafia

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Goats

[Dwlee99]

NM/Goats/Northside lims should win us the game imo

[Dwlee99]

Pooky could maybe replace Northside there.

[Dwlee99]

Claim?

[Dwlee99]

Claim?

you're mom

No I am not

[Dwlee99]

You should claim though

[Dwlee99]

Ah you've read the setup. Impressive

[Dwlee99]

fuck it my cat can't be wrong on everything

VOTE: dwlee

Pooky are you partnered with goats lol

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Pooky
This or goats because pooky ateing and then implicitly chainsawing needs a yeet

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: bloodhail

[Dwlee99]

Goats slot scum

[Dwlee99]

Why?

[Dwlee99]

Why?

[Dwlee99]

im pretty susp of dwlee/enchant

why?
I kinda feel like enchant is town, somewhat by virtue of klick's play

im susp of enchant cuz our eod convo where he pulled out some random crap about sheeping me becuz im good felt like something enchant didnt come up with on his own cuz im pretty sure he's never played with me in a game where i like kill lots of baddies?

in fact he's played in a game with me where I'm like hilariously wrong on literally every read so I'm not sure town!him comes up with that line of thought where it's let's sheep Poooooooky!

im susp of dwlee cuz he was at 4 votes yesterday with me/murdercat/infy all voting him and nobody really pushed his wagon to 7 and that feels kind of weird if he's town and theres no scum on the wagon with him.

also murdercat said me/dwlee r scum and i know im town so i dunno if mr paragon completely whiffed but I'd like to think my cat caught at least like one baddie ya know?

plus the way their votes move this game don't feel like they are geniunenly considering things, feels like openwolfy bullshit to me.

but i was like totally wrong yesterday so im down to sheep and be a good baaaaaaaaaaaaaa vote

Was the fourth vote goats? If you want to play the hypothetical where everyone voting me is town, I think scum are more than happy to let that be the focus without pushing me through because it would mean town were just fighting each other.

If you're town the cat whiffed ig

What don't you like about my votes? I've been pretty clear I'm okay with flipping you, NM, goats, or northside today. I've moved to which ones have been biggest sure but what don't you like about that?

[Dwlee99]

Ayyyy let's go