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Noraa ze/zirfluffy tsunamize/zir
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bro what excuse me?In post 103, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Thread quality -400%Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I haven't read up and dont really plan to but idk what ur on. NM has some pretty sexy reads despite the fact that he doesn't post much. So get ur facts straight.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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VOTE: Norwee
If you tell me I'm the fluffiest tsunami, I'll forgive you for saying NMs opening post isn't top qualityDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Noraa ze/zirfluffy tsunamize/zir
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Hmm. Sure ok I'll just stay in your pocket for the time being. Don't do anything fishy- I'm watchingIn post 118, Deimos27 wrote:
You won't read 5 pages?In post 116, Noraa wrote:I haven't read up and dont really plan to but idk what ur on. NM has some pretty sexy reads despite the fact that he doesn't post much. So get ur facts straight.
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Woah woah woah there. Wow ok friendship with Norwee absolutely over right here right now. Read wise, EH idk. I don't see what deimos is saying but this here is simply offensive >:pIn post 135, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Did the mosquito buzzing in my ears say something?In post 117, Noraa wrote: If you tell me I'm the fluffiest tsunami, I'll forgive you for saying NMs opening post isn't top qualityDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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We can't be friends no more.In post 144, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Well i don’t see the tsunami yet.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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What do you even mean by this??In post 146, Dorsey wrote:I'm comfortable voting anyone that's not Norway - they had the first votes.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Have you done any meta? I mean I know that I liked pulling noob cards a lot when I first started out. So I see what you mean but at the same time, I also think most people actually start out with a bunch of town games so are naturally a little more lost.In post 148, Deimos27 wrote:
Because I find it easier to believe that this is scum poorly faking noobtown than town with two completed games already still making such a noobish comment.In post 73, Dorsey wrote:Is the first elimination always town? Because how are you supposed to know who's who?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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as scum typicallyIn post 151, Noraa wrote:I liked pulling noob cards a lotDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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NMMMMMMMMM I've come to sheep you :333In post 168, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm town
I will catch you up!
Currently there is scummy alarm bells on Norwee for saying im not the fluffiest tsunami.
Deimos towny
I've skipped all of redtea's posts
Kop's one post towny.
Game state kinda ded.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Don't get this logic but ok. I'll just wait for NM's input on this u-uIn post 173, Deimos27 wrote:I did no more than glance at those games to make sure it was in fact town who got eliminated D1. I'd say after Dorsey's subsequent posts the tell has further deteriorated in value because they have shown their mentality is going to remain consistent.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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ehh choosing to jump on me is the much easier route here despite the fact that Deimos has pushed you far more if you can even consider my one post pushing to begin with. Ok real time SR now. take that >:OIn post 180, Dorsey wrote:The way people jump to attack mode is weird. You literally know nothing - why so aggressive? Noraa, Deimos.
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Agreed.In post 186, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 180, Dorsey wrote:The way people jump to attack mode is weird. You literally know nothing - why so aggressive? Noraa, Deimos.
VOTE: NoraaIn post 181, Dorsey wrote:I'm probably going to ignore you some more. I have no idea what you asked me.
These posts are all scumclaimsIn post 185, Dorsey wrote:Nah, I'm goodDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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This wagon is super good except I have an issue with one vote. It's ok though. We'll figure out who's scum bussing tomorrowDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Is it? Ok this discussion is gonna go a bit off topic. And I still think Dorsey is scum but I like self meta. I know that my town game has been described as "wants to leave a strong first impression to get town reads" and my first two games ever were all scum games so I learned how to be scum first. I feel like that kind of lead to be liking the noob card even as town. But under pressure, my analysis normally does get deeper? Idk my meta is all over the place at this point.In post 203, Deimos27 wrote:I'm trying very hard not to insult Dorsey which is why I didn't want to spell it out, but the point is that if you make a super noobtown post then obviously it's very +scum to later make posts that reveal you were all along capable of coherent logical thoughtDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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UNVOTE:In post 210, Deimos27 wrote:I would greatly appreciate not hammering before Kop has more than literally 2 posts and A50 has to produce actual game-related content
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Doesn't make sense for town to vote me over you if they think the SR on them is bad. For me, it reminds me of how as scum I like to poke and prod around to see where town's weak spots are. I hate to use this other reason but oh well. The flailing came a bit early. I feel bad for saying that as someone who has literally been tunneled to hell and back for reasons like this but I do think it still applies to some extent here.In post 213, Deimos27 wrote:TA I'm lost and you're my only tr can you shed lightDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Oh geez that was hammer? I love hammering but I was not aware of this one, no.In post 229, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Noraa, were you aware that you placed the hammer vote?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Why is that reasonable? I they took issue with the SR on them, they should be voting the person they think is most likely to be scum (the pusher which now I'm confused since you dont think Dorsey is scum? since apparently the push is bad) as opposed to whoever is more likely to be elimmed. The day is still early and it doesn't make sense to already be thinking about that.In post 231, Deimos27 wrote:Ok sure, though they explained that they voted you because you already had a vote. That seems reasonable to me.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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A while ago but I didn't mean to hammer. I'm not really used to 5 to hammer on day so I thought we were far from hammering.In post 234, Deimos27 wrote:
... When did the meta on this site become D1 flashwagon elimsIn post 227, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think they’re hammered.
I’ll reserve any judgement made, until i see the flip.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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But that's straight up scum mentality.In post 239, Deimos27 wrote:They seem to believe that the pressure exerted by the vote is currently more valuable than the probability that the target of the vote is scum.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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2 votes isn't pressure though and either way it doesn't really matter. Pretty sure this is just flipping scum.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Why KopDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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He had more analysis in one post here than he did in his whole iso in some other game where he wasn't town.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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ok thats inaccurate not more analysis. But Kop asks too many questions when he isn't town. Guessing his scum meta is the im innocent and know nothing gameDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Well this is scummy. You've had a whole night to process the flip and you're saying Dorsey flipping town is surprising?In post 259, Deimos27 wrote:That is not what I was expectingDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I dont think this matters too much at this point but yesterday the person I mentioned that might be scum with Dorsey was Almost50.
The monkey's tone was pretty strange this game but being pr checks out for that.
Deimos' first two posts scream scum to me but that's also how I felt about Dorsey so we'll hold that thought for a bit.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.In post 284, Deimos27 wrote:Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Yes Norwee?In post 268, NorwegianboyEE wrote:NoraaaaaaDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Ok this is what I think about the game. You tell me what you think. We'll mesh it and solve.In post 271, Not_Mafia wrote:I refuse to believe Dorsey's town flip and will play the rest of the game believing this is a 3 scum set-up
I think Kop is town. It just doesn't feel like scum him.
I think Tamara is town. Reminds me of a town Ydrasse. A little bit of paranoia but overall, the vibes are towny.
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Kop is town.In post 274, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Kop can you tell me your reads.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Norwee got absolutely wrecked by scum me last time I think.In post 277, Deimos27 wrote:Norwee how much have you played with NoraaDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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didn't feel like itIn post 280, Deimos27 wrote:Noraa why wouldn't you read redtea's posts and can you give a read on them yetDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunatelyIn post 301, Deimos27 wrote:But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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i have hw but i'll be back later probablyDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I can't stay for long but what do you even mean dont laugh at me? You're literally the one who went from "you're my only TR" to "you're scum" and now you're pointing at me like HOW DARE YOU REVERSE YOUR READ ON ME.In post 306, Deimos27 wrote:
Please don't laugh at me. How does it apply to me? Did I TR you D1? Is my argument relying on a misinterpretation of you so blatantly uncharitable it must be confbias or scum agenda?In post 303, Noraa wrote:
hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunatelyIn post 301, Deimos27 wrote:But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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ok actually i just got home and showered. i'll hopefully be more online tomorrow.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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A50 is normally pretty chatty and openly suspicious of everyone. That's why I thought he was scum this game especially after the vote on Dorsey (who I thought would flip scum, but even as town, the argument still applies except for the fact that a50 flipped town) I played a couple yeah.In post 269, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Deimos how familiar are you with A50? Have you played games with them?
KINGIn post 271, Not_Mafia wrote:I refuse to believe Dorsey's town flip and will play the rest of the game believing this is a 3 scum set-up
Sexy roast. No it really doesn't and I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption.In post 286, Deimos27 wrote:#282 reads like it was ghostwritten by Dorsey
That's the exact same thing. I don't really want to spell out the typical behavior of prs for scum but had I not known A50's meta, I would've thought he was a pr instead of scum.In post 290, Deimos27 wrote:
I said "almost50In post 287, Noraa wrote:
almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.In post 284, Deimos27 wrote:Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?nk" how is this even being twisted into me being surprised that he's pr instead of being surprised he was the NK choice at all.
These posts look so agenda driven it's kind of mindnumbing
No yesterday I was convinced he was scum.In post 291, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
So you thought he was PR from yesterday?In post 287, Noraa wrote:
almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.In post 284, Deimos27 wrote:Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?
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Can you say what this was, now that we knot it was town?In post 208, Noraa wrote:This wagon is super good except I have an issue with one vote. It's ok though. We'll figure out who's scum bussing tomorrowDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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In post 299, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
No thanks.In post 296, Noraa wrote:
Kop is town.In post 274, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Kop can you tell me your reads.
You explain it please.In post 250, Noraa wrote:Kop asks too many questions when he isn't town. Guessing his scum meta is the im innocent and know nothing gameDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Nahhhhhhhh that was a pretty reasonable thing to assume. In hindsight, A50 is not at all a strange kill but I don't think elaborating on that is a good idea at this point in time. I actually dont believe I expressed a TR on you d1. My opinion of my read on you was that it was surface level towny. By no means a TR. Surface level towny and town towny are super different things.In post 301, Deimos27 wrote:Spoiler:
I think these posts are actually very interesting cause there's 0 chance anyone else misunderstood me; the context is super obvious. So it tells us Noraa is either confbiasing me or driving a lim on me out of scum agenda.
But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Oh actually I think it's ok to say why since one of our prs is dead. That means the scum team can just always have the one that cant be tracked kill so it doesn't even benefit them.
Actually it does benefit them since they still want the other pr dead anyways. Mmm no not worth it.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Let me sum up your argument for you. "I am town. Therefore SRs on me come from scum"In post 305, Deimos27 wrote:
I have the perception of being fairly townread at the moment and so there is scum motivation to eliminate me (or otherwise sow discord and prevent a townblock from forming that includes me). I could obviously be wrong about being townread, but in any case I also know I am town and that alone is scum motivation to eliminate me.In post 302, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Why would it be from a scum agenda?
And tbf, i didn’t really know myself whether your first comment was referring to the D1 flip, the nightkill, or both.
Furthermore the argument was that it must be scum agendabecauseit cannot be town-motivated and scum agenda is the only option that remains.
I apparently stand corrected about the level of ambiguity my first post contained but surely you find it weird that Noraaassumedone uncharitable interpretation over any other instead of asking, and then proceeded even to somehow misread my follow-up explanation and misinterpret in a different uncharitable way?
If you think that as town, thats a bit disappointing. Ftr since we're talking about yesterday, I think your positioning around the Dorsey wagon was pretty scummy. I wanted to say this earlier just felt like it'd look OMGUSy.
Yesterday, you basically started the wagon. But then somehow at the end of the day, it seemed like you were the most against the wagon.
You were looking a lot like stubborn town who needed convincing on scum dorsey.
But with a town flip, it 100% looks like scum not wanting to take any part in a town elimination.
Then you start off this day with a vote on me.
This all looks exactly like what someone who feels extremely guilty would do. Like immediately shift attention to the person who hammered on accident. Which to be honest, my scum game is really fucking good. I dont just lolhammer like that. In fact I'm willing to bet the number of times I've hammered as scum is like less than a fourth the amount I've hammered as town. I always see hammers as the person who is responsible and scum me does not want to take responsibility for shit.
I see you as extremely scummy right now and if you are town, you need to realize that you aren't towny in my eyes and that doesn't make me scum. If we dont get a scum elimination today, tomorrow is elo so if you're town, you need to work with me.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I don't see why scum Norwee defends me here. Norwee have you played any games with me where I was town? (besides the most recent gensoko or whatever it was called)In post 308, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
I don't see how it is scum motivationIn post 305, Deimos27 wrote:I have the perception of being fairly townread at the moment and so there is scum motivation to eliminate me (or otherwise sow discord and prevent a townblock from forming that includes me). I could obviously be wrong about being townread, but in any case I also know I am town and that alone is scum motivation to eliminate me.
Furthermore the argument was that it must be scum agenda because it cannot be town-motivated and scum agenda is the only option that remains.justwanting to eliminate you. Dorsey scumread you, and that clearly wasn't scum motivation.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Answered ~In post 309, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Noraa i'm waiting for answers to my questions when you get back.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I might be tunneled but bruh wtf. You sound like whiny scum like whining WHY ISNT THIS TOWN MISLIMMABLE.In post 312, Deimos27 wrote:Yesterday's "oh geez" accidental hammer needs to be held accountable and that is why I am voting Noraa. They need to be at least on the table for elimination today.
It's also a strange thing to say given only Norwee has expressed a TR on me as of today.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Your meta is probably out of date but I mean idk how you get ur reads but if I'm a tr, we can just say the method is rightIn post 313, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm not going to go too deep into it now, but i have an method of reading Noraa that i think is pretty good. But it requires some more input from them.
You should tell me what the tell is. I love self meta >.<Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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uhhhhhhh ok? how does that have to do with anythingIn post 315, redtea wrote:but also like, he clearly made that first comment BEFORE isoing aka "looking back at" almost50, sooo what's your deal exactly?Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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I dont know what PbPA is but it really doesn't so like..In post 316, redtea wrote:
this sounds ridiculous and if you want anyone to take it seriously you better do some PbPAIn post 303, Noraa wrote:
hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunatelyIn post 301, Deimos27 wrote:But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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MINDMELD NUMERO DOS!!!In post 319, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
What?In post 316, redtea wrote:
this sounds ridiculous and if you want anyone to take it seriously you better do some PbPAIn post 303, Noraa wrote:
hahahahahahah this applies to you far better than myself unfortunatelyIn post 301, Deimos27 wrote:But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.
Ok Norwee ur my soul mason starting today.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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lol if the scum team is actually deimos and redtea, they're making this too easyIn post 329, redtea wrote:Nora's post sounds baseless and omgusDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Could be but NM is an asset to town until proven scum so no I'd rather not. I'll try to poke him a bit today to get some content.
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yeah but of course this doesn't apply to noraa ..... because she's mislim bait :3In post 336, Deimos27 wrote:In my experience scum likes not to post in twilight when they haven't already established a recent presence in thread because it's just less cognitive load to wait when you know day will end soon anyway than to show up and fake more posts.
well anyways I hope you're townDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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@Norwee I think the wagon is fine. NM hasn't been doing much but he does have great reads so I'm not really interested in elimming him. I think pressure is fine and hopefully we get some content out of him.
If he is being super quiet, I'll have to think about it more because then I'll feel like it's my fault if town loses by hammering town NM in elo. But I'll also feel like it's my fault if scum NM gets hard defended by me and wins the game. So that's a kinda sucky situation to put myself in.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Why?
That was the one where I got really frustrated day 1 and self hammered wasn't it @_@In post 362, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
It is true that you’ve disproportionately have been scum in our previous games, but that should hopefully make it easier for me to recognize.In post 348, Noraa wrote:I don't see why scum Norwee defends me here. Norwee have you played any games with me where I was town? (besides the most recent gensoko or whatever it was called)
You were town in the boon game.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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His reads that I've seen in past games have all been game winning. I mean obviously we need to wait and let this day play out and see what happens. But just in general, currently I do think we should leave him be.In post 363, Tamora's Angel wrote:
I'm not seeing how NM is an asset right now. Don't get me wrong, he can be a liability as town but I feel a bit PoE on his slot.In post 356, Noraa wrote:Could be but NM is an asset to town until proven scum so no I'd rather not. I'll try to poke him a bit today to get some content.
Dont worry my slot should self resolve pretty soon.In post 364, Tamora's Angel wrote:
I agree Noraa can't live until elo.In post 312, Deimos27 wrote:Yesterday's "oh geez" accidental hammer needs to be held accountable and that is why I am voting Noraa. They need to be at least on the table for elimination today.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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All your points are null but I dont see any reason to continue this discussion unless there anyone else agrees with me on deimos scum. Whether or not I'm right, if it's not happening today, it's not happening and there's no point in this because all it does is either get town Deimos tunneled on me or give scum Deimos a good reason to tunnel me. I have no interest in a townread from deimos I just find most of his posts annoying and it makes me want to vote him out really badly. None of the logic honestly makes any sense to me but you know what, it's whatever.
VOTE: redtea
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In post 329, redtea wrote:Nora's post sounds baseless and omgusDream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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Ok actually redtea's ISO is much worse than I originally thought now having read thru some of it after looking for that quote.Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.
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