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Now taking bets on how long A50 lasts.In post 18, Almost50 wrote:“I see” a red door and I want it painted black.
Oh, God. Please don't let me be misunderstood.
Dead man walking, reporting.
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Fun has been outlawed on this siteIn post 27, Almost50 wrote:Are y'all having fun yet?-
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Pretty sure that'd be an instant modkill under the circumstancesIn post 29, Almost50 wrote:Actually, I am shocked nobody typed "clodpoles" and/or "fecal matter" yet.-
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Obvious scumclaim is obviousIn post 38, T3 wrote:When I type in A50, my phone suggests that I type “A50 and then my autocorrect doesn’t have a problem with your attitude and barb is going to be a good person and barb and I’m not sure if I can have a problem with your phone”-
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I feel dizzy.In post 95, Bingle wrote:Doc claims should be left alive in all circumstances. If they’re fake, the real doc will probably shoot them. If they’re real the scum won’t shoot them because of the possibility of the real doc shooting them (neither team will know if it’s a real or fakeclaim) and we should be able to work backwards from number of kills to determine whether they were real or not.-
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"better" than here? You either have much higher expectations of me than I deserve, or you've confused late-game high-effort me with early-game dunno-wtf-to-do-so-memes-for-days meIn post 113, LicketyQuickety wrote:In post 24, Pavowski wrote:A50 how does it feel to be unvotable today? What a treat it must beIn post 26, Pavowski wrote:You can get hecked for stealing the first pagetopIn post 39, Pavowski wrote:
Obvious scumclaim is obviousIn post 38, T3 wrote:When I type in A50, my phone suggests that I type “A50 and then my autocorrect doesn’t have a problem with your attitude and barb is going to be a good person and barb and I’m not sure if I can have a problem with your phone”In post 68, Pavowski wrote:Are you guys like... Seriously arguing about A50's alignment?
You're not, right?
Pav really is lacking spice in his posts. Played with them in a newbie a bit ago and their posts there were quite a bit better than here. These posts seem dry and unimaginitive. I also couldn't help but see a buddy attempt of the IC.In post 70, Pavowski wrote:The only sarcasm I understand is my own
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Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffleIn post 135, Roden wrote:It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions-
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Not ready to call it one way or the other yet but I do think it's weird to dive in hard like that.In post 137, DArby wrote:
Do you read it as TvS?In post 136, Pavowski wrote:
Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffleIn post 135, Roden wrote:It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions-
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I will add that I don't have a *ton* of experience with either Roden or GL, but GL sounds like town!GL inasmuch as I know him, which is to say, not particularly well.In post 141, Pavowski wrote:
Not ready to call it one way or the other yet but I do think it's weird to dive in hard like that.In post 137, DArby wrote:
Do you read it as TvS?In post 136, Pavowski wrote:
Nah, you and GL have moved right on out of RVS with this little kerfuffleIn post 135, Roden wrote:It's RVS, nothing I say right now has any actual meaning beyond seeing reactions-
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Salsa has exactly one analyzable post right now and nothing particularly pings me in it.In post 263, LicketyQuickety wrote:
What are your thoughts on Salsa?In post 262, Pavowski wrote:Count me among the ones glazing over at LQ/Roden right now. This is the point where if one of you *has* caught scum, you are decreasing the likelihood that any of us will join you on it.
In other news, I thought reading up this morning would take a while, but the skipping made it blessedly quick-
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Not deliberately dodging, just unable to do deep reading right now. I will say that I tend to see such conflicts early on as TvT, though I dont think it's particularly towny to be as defensive as they seem.
As for the intervening comments, I will cop to skimming/skipping them and will review later today.
This game went from memery to dead fookin serious faster than I was prepared for.-
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I love this post so much I want to quote it at everybody who ever says on d1 any variation of "I'm obviously town", and that is a lot of peopleIn post 285, GuiltyLion wrote:
Roden, I'll give you an honest, non-confrontational reach out on this pointIn post 191, Roden wrote:Honestly LQ why are you scum reading me at all when you've recently seen two of my scum games in depth? You should know this isn't it from my opening posts alone.
Can you explain why you think your opening posts are town enough that we should already conclude that this isn't your scum game? Wouldn't that be a tremendous insult to your scum game, if your town game is so apparent in contrast to it that you claim it takes just a couple opening posts to rule out the possibility of you being scum?-
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Just make like Salsa and spam eight or nine posts to gank a few pagetopsIn post 307, Almost50 wrote:I would also like to say I want both LQ & Roden executed TODAY because they're trying to prevent me from proving my supremacy in the field of quality shitposting (that's a new one) and finishing D1 as the top poster (for the first time ever, I believe)
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As promised I re-read. It wasn't much better. Have some terrible reads instead:In post 282, Pavowski wrote:Not deliberately dodging, just unable to do deep reading right now. I will say that I tend to see such conflicts early on as TvT, though I dont think it's particularly towny to be as defensive as they seem.
As for the intervening comments, I will cop to skimming/skipping them and will review later today.
This game went from memery to dead fookin serious faster than I was prepared for.
GL feels town.
Auro feels town.
T3 could be town.
Mc might be town.
Roden and LQ are prob TvT here but if I had to vote one it's probably Roden. I've seen town LQ look like this before.-
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I was going to vote roden after the VC was updated, but now I would rather VOTE: Salsa.In post 340, Almost50 wrote:In post 318, Pavowski wrote:
As promised I re-read. It wasn't much better. Have some terrible reads instead:In post 282, Pavowski wrote:Not deliberately dodging, just unable to do deep reading right now. I will say that I tend to see such conflicts early on as TvT, though I dont think it's particularly towny to be as defensive as they seem.
As for the intervening comments, I will cop to skimming/skipping them and will review later today.
This game went from memery to dead fookin serious faster than I was prepared for.
GL feels town.
Auro feels town.
T3 could be town.
Mc might be town.
Roden and LQ are prob TvT here but if I had to vote one it's probably Roden. I've seen town LQ look like this before.
I would prefer if you gave afull readlist if you're not voting on the spot.In post 319, Pavowski wrote:UNVOTE:
And I'll place a new one after I see the latest VC (not on the pagetop yet)
Salsa always seems to have a bit of chaotic energy that I find hard to read, but I was pinging after the whole "I want to vote roden but not sure I should" thing, which is scum thinking though I don't know why it was verbalized-
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Why is it scum thinking - why can't town be unsure? Is there a hidden reason scum would be unsure? Is there fault with her reasoning for not being sure?In post 351, Pavowski wrote:Salsa always seems to have a bit of chaotic energy that I find hard to read, but I was pinging after the whole "I want to vote roden but not sure I should" thing, which is scum thinking though I don't know why it was verbalized
Of course town can be unsure. Town *should* be unsure.
What's scum thinking is "I've decided I want to vote this person but I'm not going to" because...? Like imo town just votes there whereas scum is a lot more concerned about how their vote "looks".
I wouldn't consider e-3 the verge of elimination, and if scum is willing to give the game away and quick hammer from that far out, I'd say that's worth letting somebody get quick limmed.Salsabil Faria wrote:You saidRodenwasn't verge of the elimination but they're at E-3 that time and we have 4 scums.-
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I voted for Salsabil I thought, but just to make sure VOTE: SalsaIn post 414, Not_Mafia wrote:vc-
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This *is* an issue with giving you a full-throated scumread, but you'll notice I made exactly this point when I posted about you in the first place.In post 380, Salsabil Faria wrote:FYI, my play style is scummy as any alignment.
@Pav, if I'm concerned about *looking bad*, why I made the post in the 1st place?-
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If I were scum!Roden here I'm reevaluating now, wheeeIn post 416, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, if Roden is actually Scum here, I totally expect them to keep their vote on me. I think if they are Town they will reevaluate.-
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This is actually hard, the game's not deep enough for me to feel good about any of my reads yet. I'll try though. I had some last night but I want to reevaluate if the monkey king isn't gonna let me changeIn post 393, Almost50 wrote:First "Dictatorian" Declaration:
I; King of thread and ruler of both Town & Mafia alike; have decided in all my mighty grace to request order all of my subjects and minions to each provide a 3-players list of their top TRs (NOT including self).-
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This is me trying (and how dare you make me effort on d1, monkey man)In post 428, Pavowski wrote:
This is actually hard, the game's not deep enough for me to feel good about any of my reads yet. I'll try though. I had some last night but I want to reevaluate if the monkey king isn't gonna let me changeIn post 393, Almost50 wrote:First "Dictatorian" Declaration:
I; King of thread and ruler of both Town & Mafia alike; have decided in all my mighty grace to request order all of my subjects and minions to each provide a 3-players list of their top TRs (NOT including self).
GL and Mc are both being proactive and solvy and even a little bit aggressive in a way that I don't think benefits scum so I feel pretty good listing them as townreads right now.
I could also join the crew and say DArby feels town, but that'd be boring so I'll go out on a limb and trust my gut read on Auro from earlier.
There, that's my three.-
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Also also, I can't put my finger on why but I just can't see this post coming from scum.In post 438, mc esther wrote:roden's up on 48 hours btw. if it takes another two 48-hour prods to have him replaced, we won't have anyone in that slot until three days before deadline. i dont really know what to make of this information, just drawing it to the attention of someone with stronger opinions on deadline management than me.-
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I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.In post 445, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 440, Pavowski wrote: A NK'd GL would be another story.What do you mean by that?-
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I would not, at this point, vote GL, and I don't think my post suggests what you seem to suggest it suggestsIn post 453, Auro wrote:
If you townread GL and acknowledge he's pro-town, why on earth would you flip him to determine Bingle's alignment instead of flipping Bingle directly?In post 440, Pavowski wrote:I would also go as far as to say that if we should flip GL, and he turns town, that would be scum indicative on Bingle given the recent shade. But I also kinda don't think GL is likely to get flipped. A NK'd GL would be another story.
Signalling to the other scumteam, aren't ya-
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C'mon dude. Pretend you're scum (or maybe you're just scum already, but whatever, we'll complete the exercise). There's a slot out there getting town cred and you want to shut that down, so you throw some shade on that slot.In post 459, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 457, Pavowski wrote:
I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.In post 445, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 440, Pavowski wrote: A NK'd GL would be another story.What do you mean by that?Why?
Would you then turn around and NK that same slot? Wouldn't you think that's, like, incredibly obvious?
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To be fair, I didn't *want* to lay it all out, but Salsa was asking and I find failure to answer direct questions scummyIn post 473, Bingle wrote:
Why would you engage in preemptive NKA in the first place though?In post 457, Pavowski wrote:I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.
Like... This is just introducing so much WIFOM into the thread.
If GL gets shot here, did Bingle do it for towncred? Did scum do it trying to frame Bingle? Did the CPR doc do it trying to save GL from the scum shot that was trying to frame Bingle of either alignment?
Just posting that makes it completely useless.
And now that I've said that, I fully expect to garner a few more scumreads for giving you all more WIFOM to discuss (did I answer as town to prove my towniness, or did I answer as scum to fake my towniness?)
This game is neat-
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Sir yes sirIn post 494, mc esther wrote:pavowski, please let the issue drop for now
btw, I don't seem to recall playing any games with you, but you seem to know me
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My bad. I took this to mean you had knowledge outside this game of me, that's all.In post 489, mc esther wrote:i would like to add that my general memory of pav's posting is that it's often been pretty low-content, but im on mobile rn.-
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To answer your question, though, I'd say you probably lean scummy on me given your #281, but maybe less now than you did then given #489?In post 497, mc esther wrote:im flattered that you think my read on you is exceptionally informed, though. what do you think my read on you is?-
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That's probably fair. For a short while I tried posting high-effort, high-content in my games, but 1) I'm not very good at that and 2) I tend not to have the time in the day for it.In post 501, mc esther wrote:do you believe that "low-content" would be a fair assessment of your playstyle in general? do you believe it's a fair assessment of your play in this particular game?
So I play for fun and call things out when I see them and just accept the fact that it gets me scumread in the early game a fair bit.-
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Mostly because I want to confirm my understanding of mechanics. In what way does it benefit scum? Everybody on both scum teams knows what happened.In post 640, Bingle wrote:Actually… VOTE: pav
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I am an idiot possessed of the deep knowledgeIn post 645, Galron wrote:Was going to ask how he knew that Team Fire killed A50 but I figured it out.-
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Who do you want?In post 651, Enchant wrote:Sub-Zero team targeted same target as Doc. That's all.
Let's kill someone.-
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I saw that A50 was "incinerated" and assumed that was a fire team killIn post 707, GuiltyLion wrote:In post 638, Pavowski wrote:So either everyone targeted A50 or only Team Fire did, right?and somebody else got doc's and frozen
Seems more likely monkey got tripled upIn post 649, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 647, Bingle wrote:I don't think this can have a drawback for asking publicly given how obvious a question it is, so:
@mod: Are death flavors indicative of who made the kill? If they are, what are the specific flavors for a Fire Kill, an Ice Kill, a Doc Kill, and an all three kill?
NM should be able (have to actually) answer that because this is an open.Yes death flavours are indicative. Ice Mafia isFrozen, Fire Mafia isIncineratedand a CPR Doc kill isShocked. If all three were to target a player, the fire and ice mafia kills would cancel out and the CPR Doc would kill the player. I will add this to the rules section.
Pav - how did you know the Ice Team's flavor was "frozen" specifically? I don't recall seeing that anywhere prior to N_M editing the posts.-
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Maybe you should buy the mod a thesaurus.In post 731, GuiltyLion wrote:
idk, I would think the easy fire kill flavor would be "burned", I agree "frozen" is probably the most basic choice but there's synonyms, could have been "chilled", "iced", "glacierized", who knows. I just feel it's odd you used a specific word that I hadn't seen used anywhere in the set up description or flavorIn post 726, Pavowski wrote:Does that strike you as a crazy leap in logic?
If the fire team kill was "incinerated", what would you expect the ice team kill to read as?
Mildly refrigerated?
This feels like you're trying to find a reason to scumread me for something that was pretty bland.
It would be way more telling if I had in fact said "nobody got sub-zeroed" and the mod later clarified the ice team kills as getting sub-zeroed-
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You are not even close to hammer time yet, my dudeIn post 737, T3 wrote:
I'd appreciate it if I Wasn't HammeredIn post 710, Not_Mafia wrote:
esp because i've been gone for the entire day and most of yesterday
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This is the second time you've asked and I know somebody pointed it out.In post 746, LicketyQuickety wrote:
What if both Ice and Fire shot A50? I know this probably isn't a good question to ask, but I can't help thinking this is at least possible.In post 744, Bingle wrote:Actually, there's no harm in outing how I'm going to get it, so I can do that.
There is no kill flavor in the Role PMs provided on page 1. (I know, I checked a while back.) I just asked NM if he put kill flavor in the maf pts (open, so general formatting of PTs should be public information). If yes, then I think that's scum indicative for GL. If no, I think that's fairly clearing for GL.
Also, someone explain why Roden is confirmed Town because I'm not getting that.
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