open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pooky
Not moving my vote the bear is evil

[SirCakez]

think of how much money it took to build the thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons across the world.

and how much more money it will cost to "disarm" them.

it's all going straight into the pockets of the scammers who are selling us this "nuclear deterrence theory nonsense"

and there's no way they would ever get caught.

because if someone actually presses the button, the world will be more happy the nukes are a giant hoax then angry that they spent billions on weapons that don't actually work.

U need a defcon game

[SirCakez]

think of how much money it took to build the thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons across the world.

and how much more money it will cost to "disarm" them.

it's all going straight into the pockets of the scammers who are selling us this "nuclear deterrence theory nonsense"

and there's no way they would ever get caught.

because if someone actually presses the button, the world will be more happy the nukes are a giant hoax then angry that they spent billions on weapons that don't actually work.

Fuck catboi is here too? Two people who have to die day 1

[SirCakez]

Who the fuck posted 10 pages in three hours

[SirCakez]

This is why I waited until break to start playing again lol

[SirCakez]

VOTE: innocentvillager

maybe I should just sheep Datisi would have made last time a lot better

Not really thrilled with skitter's start. I instinctively did not like the statements about catboi and IV, and checked it against several games but it doesn't line up with any she's played with me as either alignment.

VOTE: Mare

Meh.

how does this vote parse with you criticizing Skitter's opening?

VOTE: SirCakez

also im happy to slapfight you again if you want

VOTE: skitter

Hi everyone. I pretty much agree with Datisi’s thoughts on flow trap not being w/w with SS. It is more likely than not that scum has someone who was aware of SS pattern, but not guaranteed. Having meta numbers seems a little broken lol

this post kinda bothers me tonally. it feels too agreeable (ok and not just because they said I agree with Datisi)

VOTE: midwaybear

[SirCakez]

VOTE: skitter

Hi everyone. I pretty much agree with Datisi’s thoughts on flow trap not being w/w with SS. It is more likely than not that scum has someone who was aware of SS pattern, but not guaranteed. Having meta numbers seems a little broken lol

I have no idea why this post pinged me but it did mildly

aha someone felt the same thing!! a good sign!

midwaybear scum
Datisi scum

Mare town
andante town
Faker town

/sigh

are these serious or?

ok this feels a little fake

Also, given the meme/fun numbers of the last set’s iteration and this one, scum team’s probably taking it seriously/coordinating what they do together more than an average team might.

Imagine being serious

party in scum chat!! woooooo

(Wrong chat, but I brought cake)

hi

VOTE: sleepless assassin

what triggered this?

[SirCakez]

stopping at page 11 cuz I have other shit to do but I'll be back tonight

[SirCakez]

im just gonna skim to catchup bc otherwise I'm never gonna make it

[SirCakez]

i'm throwing Anda a townread don't ask me why bc I cannot explain it

VOTE: flow trap

Feels more interested invibing/conversing than pulling out anything useful with what he's posting

I kinda feel this but last time I played w them I misread them on basically these same vibes so I'm hesitant

andante u are ruining the plan for me to get nightkilled so they don’t hit a pr n1

Why would you get nightkilled?

For being obvtown I presume

don't know why flow felt the need to answer this

cakez I am the instigator of a lot of the noise lmao u can blame me for this one!

fuck you
/hug

[SirCakez]

god this has been painful so far

[SirCakez]

for ONE FUCKING GAME I don't want to be perpetually catching up

[SirCakez]

Yeah there's no way I can read all this any time soon.

V/LA until Thursday

rofl dude walked in and straight up nope'd out of the thread

LMAO

[SirCakez]

Like beyond being in "catch-up mode" he literally just feels like he's posting the same kind of content in catch-up mode. It's bad!

uhh it's only IRL day 2 of this game, feels early to be pushing someone for catching up

y'all posted 40 FUCKING PAGES in two irl days I feel perfectly justified in my catchup status

[SirCakez]

so much shitposting

[SirCakez]

Agree with the Andante townreads. I saw one post that I don't think she makes as maf.
I also agree with skitter that catboi's townread on me is a bit TMI. I am not sure how confident catboi normally is though.
UNVOTE:

ok so my vote here is still fine

(internal monologue: surely skitter does not crash her ship into the rock of "you feel off this game" twice in a row, right...?)

IV you scumfuck how are you still alive

Yeah there's no way I can read all this any time soon.

V/LA until Thursday

uhhh this thread will at least triple in size by thursday...

Unless we speed yeet Cakez

no bother someone else I am busy unlike you mafia addicts

[SirCakez]

catboi may be scum but I am scared because everytime I read this person it's literally rolling a slot machine

[SirCakez]

aha someone felt the same thing!! a good sign!

I'm not sure mindmeld works when the explanation for the read is just "feeling"...

what I meant is pretty obvious dawg

cakez's wallposts give a townie aura

i have nothing concrete to back that up with

you trying to pocket me bruv?

you can't pocket sircakes

the dude starts in my pocket and i'm never letting him go

lol no you're my top scumread
DIE BEAR DIE

That was the doubt I had but she keeps doing the thing where her reasons for suspecting me keep changing after they become invalid and so I'm tilting my head to the side and going "really"? at the stuff she's saying

It is possible i'm tunneling-ish a bit
UNVOTE:

Dont really have thoughts on cakez, its kinda meh but nai imo

this is weird I feel u usually have thoughts on me quite quickly

[SirCakez]

whyy are there 26 pages

VIBES

VOTE: innocentvillager

maybe I should just sheep Datisi would have made last time a lot better

Not really thrilled with skitter's start. I instinctively did not like the statements about catboi and IV, and checked it against several games but it doesn't line up with any she's played with me as either alignment.

VOTE: Mare

Meh.

how does this vote parse with you criticizing Skitter's opening?

VOTE: SirCakez

also im happy to slapfight you again if you want

VOTE: skitter

Hi everyone. I pretty much agree with Datisi’s thoughts on flow trap not being w/w with SS. It is more likely than not that scum has someone who was aware of SS pattern, but not guaranteed. Having meta numbers seems a little broken lol

this post kinda bothers me tonally. it feels too agreeable (ok and not just because they said I agree with Datisi)

VOTE: midwaybear

UNVOTE:

but why?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pooky
ok this can die

[SirCakez]

im taking back my Andante townread page 28 irked me quite a bit. they felt defensive in a not good way.

[SirCakez]

now, this might look like i am just sheeping catboi, but

VOTE: s_s

really Bad Vote (and so was catboi's tbh)

why?
i was considering this vote myself

[SirCakez]

im taking back my Andante townread page 28 irked me quite a bit. they felt defensive in a not good way.

I didn't even talk on page 28?

oopsies I meant 29
pages are blending together here

[SirCakez]

SLEEPLESS!!! SLEEPLESS SCUM? 8 feels pretty safe to pick... I'm still not a fan of the "this is too much to read. see yall thursday"

VOTE: sleepless

this is the shittiest LHF vote ever

[SirCakez]

I don't like that the only notable thing SS has done is post stats analysis
what are the odds the scum team saw the stats and specifically played against them

[SirCakez]

I had had a thought while I was out for a run that if flow trap is in fact town he is an LHF-ish player who is likely to attract votes from scum, which wouyld point to one of Mare/Datisi possibly being scum, and if there was one there I would have guessed Datisi, as I'd kind of liked Mare's 719 last night although on a reread I'm not sure it's

that

townie, and as I am catching up I am liking Datisi more and Mare less

this is good logic and mare could definitely be scum based on their awful push of me

[SirCakez]

VOTE: skitter

Hi everyone. I pretty much agree with Datisi’s thoughts on flow trap not being w/w with SS. It is more likely than not that scum has someone who was aware of SS pattern, but not guaranteed. Having meta numbers seems a little broken lol

this post kinda bothers me tonally. it feels too agreeable (ok and not just because they said I agree with Datisi)

VOTE: midwaybear

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

Same exact vibe which made me instantly suspect him in a previous game. Same exact slow catching up with eh takes as the previous game. Mediocre draft placement.

SirScumz strikes again.

like I do this every game these days this is total bullshit

[SirCakez]

And, let me say, once more.

I really don't give a fuck if he's catching up. People do it. I dislike it. Whatever.

I dislike what he's saying.

you're all like blah blah I don't like what Cakez is saying
what am I saying here exactly???

[SirCakez]

Like you want to be ? but you're sitting here saying that he hasn't done anything AI which is patently false soooo.

VOTE: Skitter30

this feels fake as fuck

[SirCakez]

mare's push is terribad but this

is it time to restart the animal police department to get some civility back

VOTE: Faker

this is definitely scum and I don't want to move my vote

[SirCakez]

FUCKING DONE READING BLESS

SCUM FUCKERS = SS, MIDWAYBEAR, POOKYBEAR, MARE
DEATH TO THESE PLAYERS

[SirCakez]

Pooky is playing just like he did in Pokemon Large Theme and I'm not having it again

[SirCakez]

It's not specifically the vote on Faker but the way he went about it felt manufactured

[SirCakez]

Pooky is playing just like he did in Pokemon Large Theme and I'm not having it again

scum or town there?

Total scumfuck

[SirCakez]

Pooky is playing just like he did in Pokemon Large Theme and I'm not having it again

wait can we pretend we're in a hood together

Spoiler: ONLY FOR POOKY

HI SCUMLORD

[SirCakez]

Skitter's opportunistic scum. Second place in draft too.

Cakez is OMGUSing me for a bad push when he's reading Pooky the same way.

Everyone agrees your push on me is bad it's not OMGUS

[SirCakez]

Skitter's opportunistic scum. Second place in draft too.

Cakez is OMGUSing me for a bad push when he's reading Pooky the same way.

If you don't want to vote Mare vote Pooky

[SirCakez]

why is pooky asking for a wagon?

He is scum trying to act cool

[SirCakez]

He probably would either alignment tbh
I low key feel like he'd try more as scum tho

Disagree based on recent experience

[SirCakez]

I think it's cute that cakez has a new white whale to chase (◐ω◑ )

IM CAPTAIN AHAB

[SirCakez]

On further reflection cakez is probably town for going after pooky because the last time he tried to do it as scum pooky ripped his head off

glad to have that one out of the way early

I don't care I'd die if I could take pooky with me

[SirCakez]

I think it's cute that cakez has a new white whale to chase (◐ω◑ )

IM CAPTAIN AHAB

uh

have you know that dude dies rite?

Exactly
After I kill your scum ass your buddies will probably have to NK me

[SirCakez]

If the team is pooky catboi SS omg that would be amazing
All my old nemesises finally going down

[SirCakez]

IM A BIG CHIHUAHUA BUDDY

[SirCakez]

If the team is pooky catboi SS omg that would be amazing
All my old nemesises finally going down

cakez please don't your erotic fanfiction in this topic this is a PG-13 thread

It's not fan fiction if it's the real team

[SirCakez]

i'm skimming the game, currently on page 44, and i wanna say i think cakez is very town but i don't know if i'm actually townreading him or if i'm just feeling bad for incorrectly vigging him last game

No I'm town shut up

[SirCakez]

oh I mean if ur ok with it VOTE: pooky

i am unironically starting to think iv is scum, was about time

You're wrong pooky is scum and IV is town

[SirCakez]

pedit: oh good timing, why is faker town?

- kinda like the reflective nature of his posting, abt himself, what he's trying to do with this accf, the fact that he's trying to puzzle solve this game and take it easy instead of win (for some reason, when i read that it struck me as +town)
- doesnt feel informed (i.e. he's behind but doenst feel like he somehow knows what's going on anyways from reading a scum pt, which i feel like he would prioritize readinf over this thread)
- kinda just how he's approaching the game when he is here, and how he *wants* to approach the game despite being busy traveling
- the way he's approaching catboi's read on him

Overall its like almost less abt his content and more abt his feelings towards the game and how he's approaching the game overall

Caveat: i do not believe i have seen scum-faker ever but idk all of this based on the here and now feels townie to me

I agree with this analysis I think

[SirCakez]

right now I have a pool of like reasonably townie people who I have no interest in voting - dats, skitter, IV, Faker
then a pool of SCUMFUCKS - Pooky, SS, midwaybear, Mare
and then a pool of ??? - Sleepless, NSG, flow trap, Andante

[SirCakez]

VOTE: flow trap

what caused this vote?

[SirCakez]

prism is faker they slipped earlier

[SirCakez]

the case against a catboi pooky team is they probably would be collaborating to drive me insane

[SirCakez]

So you think I lied about my computer being broken?

no, frankly i forgot you said that

I figured out the problem; it's not that I don't contribute it's that I post too much other stuff that people forget when I say relevant things

This could apply to like half this game lol

[SirCakez]

I'm not sure skitter picks this fight as scum

[SirCakez]

A skitter thing

[SirCakez]

A skitter thing

What do you think scum!skitter does in this game state?

Probably goes more for majority opinion pushes

[SirCakez]

Probably goes more for majority opinion pushes

we don't have any semblance of a consensus in the game state so what r you talking about here?

are we even reading the same game .__.

Like there are some people who are low content and not really being townread by anyone
SS, midway, sleepless, etc

[SirCakez]

Probably goes more for majority opinion pushes

we don't have any semblance of a consensus in the game state so what r you talking about here?

are we even reading the same game .__.

I dun really know which one he is rn,

it's scummy he's using literally the same case that he used when he was scum trying to misflip me because he knows the premise of his case is wrong and it's not really a way to read me.

but it's kind of townie because it'd be so unbelievably mindbogglingly suicidal to try to do the same thing that failed last time and hope it will work this time.

What case lmfao

[SirCakez]

Here I'll sheep IV on this because I do think this is like 99% scum and I'd rather get someone obviously scum out of the game then let them sit around
VOTE: midwaybear

[SirCakez]

Like there are some people who are low content and not really being townread by anyone
SS, midway, sleepless, etc

Sleepless is VLA till today, why are you including them here? like, obviously no one TRs someone with no content? but doesn't mean I'm voting them out now?
SS has some lines I like - "not really being TRed by anyone" is a lie there, I've voiced a slight tr earlier

and I still haven't read a single midway post so idk there


I don't like how another person is now "I'm sheeping IV here" like uhhh what?

You are totally missing the point of that post

[SirCakez]

Like there are some people who are low content and not really being townread by anyone
SS, midway, sleepless, etc

Sleepless is VLA till today, why are you including them here? like, obviously no one TRs someone with no content? but doesn't mean I'm voting them out now?
SS has some lines I like - "not really being TRed by anyone" is a lie there, I've voiced a slight tr earlier

and I still haven't read a single midway post so idk there


I don't like how another person is now "I'm sheeping IV here" like uhhh what?

Faker we agree on most reads

[SirCakez]

Ignore that quote

[SirCakez]

I forgot nsg was in this game

[SirCakez]

Who is even calling her townie

[SirCakez]

I did not think that one of them was more suspicious at the time, but if you asked me at the time I would probably say Datisi for backing off first.

This feels really forced

[SirCakez]

Sorry I'm around but I feel like crap so don't think mafia is happening today

[SirCakez]

Sorry I'm around but I feel like crap so don't think mafia is happening today

also feel better!

Thanks it's just post NYE crud I'll be better tomorrow

[SirCakez]

Thanks flow
I might tr Cakez for 1544. I'm not super familiar with Cakez scum meta, but I don't think he hops in to take a shot at me and dips out. It's sorta annoying, but maybe town. Cakez, can you elaborate on some of your reads (preferably who you read as town right now). Ik you said you mostly agree with Faker, but it would be helpful to hear your own thoughts.

Can you ask for specific ones because I can't elaborate on them all some are just gut feels and/or no reason to SR them and such

I've become increasingly less sold on my Cakez townlean, pretty rote stuff to fake, but we will see. Going out of his way to tell me we matched rubbed me the wrong way as I served not as an adamant defender but a slight one in Warehouse 13. He might be hoping for the same here.

Might need to meta dive for the Pooky stuff for more recent stuff.

I always tell people I matched their thoughts if I notice it it's not specific to you
I could find quotes of it from other games if I felt like it

[SirCakez]

i reskimmed cakez's iso and don't rly remember why i thought he was towny

i think it was the bold calling of people scumfuckers having an aggressive tone

but it feels like he's mostly just been memeing since, which feels a little in contrast to how his iso reads like he's found the scum already

Cakez if u still have those same 4 people as scum (midway, pooky, mare, SS) why don't i really see you pushing them more? like how confident are you on those ppl

People always ask me this and it's so annoying
What are you expecting me to do here? I never write cases, I've already called out people as scumfucks, I'm voting my top SR. What do you want from me here?

[SirCakez]

Current POE is like: Andante 3 times Midway, SS, Pooky, Mare, Cat, Skitter; Maybe Sleepless

surprised to not see myself in this - are you townreading me?

Not a big fan of this post
Feels LAMIST

[SirCakez]

This is where I'm at rn
{IV, Andante}
{Faker, flow, Cakez}
{catboi, Mare}
{SA, SS, Pooky, nsg, skitter, Datisi}
Last tier is unorder and I like first two tiers for town. I'll try to flesh out reasoning later.
Mare, what's your read on skitter rn? Faker, what did you think of catboi's early read on me.

This reads list sucks

[SirCakez]

With this in mind, Cakez's attack on Pooky for the read on me made no sense to me and struck a similar chord, because Pooky's vote made total sense.

I'm missing something here cuz it looked like a total out of nowhere fling to me

[SirCakez]

I need to stop lying to myself and pretending that I'm going to reread the past pages and make meaningful commentary.

not sure SS posts this as scum

Datisi self-meta in 1669 bleeds town. i'm not sure he could pull that out from a scum mindset here.

Reading this, I TR midwaybear, I think more than Faker, and I'm pretty sure Faker is town, so midway and faker town I think

I completely disagree on MWB and I'm curious what you found townie in that post

like here, a bunch of us were voting Pooky, and Pooky's reaction was "oh yes! give me all the votes" which I don't think I've ever seen pooky do lol and I think I've only seen town pooky, sooo pooky maf?

exactly
if Pooky was town here he would be flinging shit everywhere like he did when I cased him as scum

ok, I'm caught up... that Sleepless post... I have some serious thoughts about it, I'm interested in others thoughts first though, cause that did not scream town at all to me, but since sleepless is caught up, sleepless should be back to normal, and not only communicate in paragraphs like that

I actually thought it was decently townie and enough to slot him out of my nullbin

[SirCakez]

pooky and mwb are probably not scum together...

[SirCakez]

we're starting to get into radio buzz territory again ...

VOTE: skitter

Nothing about this is similar to Radio Buzz. I didn't even lurk in that game.

actually this reaction is ass I take back what I said earlier about SS

And fwiw for ss i think this is probably a town reaction

I disagree seems like he's annoyed scum

My eyes were open to the crimes.

~

There've been things that Midway's said that I looked and thought, yeah, I've said/thought something like this before as town. What's the bad parts about him?

this seems like something a buddy writes to try to bail out another buddy

[SirCakez]

i reskimmed cakez's iso and don't rly remember why i thought he was towny

i think it was the bold calling of people scumfuckers having an aggressive tone

but it feels like he's mostly just been memeing since, which feels a little in contrast to how his iso reads like he's found the scum already

Cakez if u still have those same 4 people as scum (midway, pooky, mare, SS) why don't i really see you pushing them more? like how confident are you on those ppl

People always ask me this and it's so annoying
What are you expecting me to do here? I never write cases, I've already called out people as scumfucks, I'm voting my top SR. What do you want from me here?

i don’t rly scumread you

Okay for example i remember how hard you pushed me in mini 2180 and doesn’t feel like ur pushing anyone here even close to like that. You did have quite a few posts just slamming me over content that game

that game was a year ago I'm not as aggressive as I used to be after getting burned several times recently on bad tunnels

[SirCakez]

what is beetlejuicing?

[SirCakez]

actually I want to move back to Pooky
I think I moved to MWB at one point but my gut is steering me back the other way now that I think they can't both be scum together

VOTE: pooky

[SirCakez]

also I just have sympathy for Sleepless given I was the same way at game start being hit with that truckload of 40 pages

[SirCakez]

Hi, I hope everyone had a happy new year~

I enjoyed not thinking about this game for a little while. I will throw myself back into the pit tomorrow.

respond to the case I posted on you scumlord

[SirCakez]

what is beetlejuicing?

popping in when you're mentioned

like if i don't post shit for 2 days, someone says "datisi might be scum tho", and 3 seconds in i'm there like "no fuck you i'm not"

and it's scummy bc it shows that you are reading the game but not responding or something, idk

can you tell me what you find unfakeable in 1669?

i'm going to scummily backtrack and say moreso your overall self-meta analysis was unfakable after looking back at that one post
moreso like Skitter (I think?) was saying it seems like town PoV not what scum would be thinking about

[SirCakez]

i reskimmed cakez's iso and don't rly remember why i thought he was towny

i think it was the bold calling of people scumfuckers having an aggressive tone

but it feels like he's mostly just been memeing since, which feels a little in contrast to how his iso reads like he's found the scum already

Cakez if u still have those same 4 people as scum (midway, pooky, mare, SS) why don't i really see you pushing them more? like how confident are you on those ppl

People always ask me this and it's so annoying
What are you expecting me to do here? I never write cases, I've already called out people as scumfucks, I'm voting my top SR. What do you want from me here?

didn’t you write a massive case on scum!AGar a while back and everyone immediately sheeed you? I know it was like 1-2 years ago but “never write cases” doesn’t seem quite accurare

ok yes but that was an exception not the norm

[SirCakez]

that was also like the one time ever I've made a big push on someone and been right lmao

[SirCakez]

And ESPECIALLY this game I don't feel strongly enough to case anybody here
Even my stronger SRs are not that strong compared to how I used to tunnel

[SirCakez]

for completely inexplicable reasons, i still think cakez is town

no i don't know why, don't ask

Why

[SirCakez]

boi, do you want me to scumread your ass here

yes because you have shown you read me wrong before so if you SR me here things will be in balance

[SirCakez]

My eyes were open to the crimes.

~

There've been things that Midway's said that I looked and thought, yeah, I've said/thought something like this before as town. What's the bad parts about him?

this seems like something a buddy writes to try to bail out another buddy

How exactly are my efforts here attempting to bail out MWB, exactly?

you're basically saying like "what's the case" which is such a typical scum buddy thing to post
defending them by implying there's no reason to vote them

I'm not really picking up on why he is "obviously" scum based on your ISO? You said one post bothered you tonally but I'm not sure how that equates to the level of confidence you have here

i didn't explicitly state everything I just thought that up to that point their posts were transparently scummy from the obvious lack of town motivation

[SirCakez]

Current POE is like: Andante 3 times Midway, SS, Pooky, Mare, Cat, Skitter; Maybe Sleepless

surprised to not see myself in this - are you townreading me?

Not a big fan of this post
Feels LAMIST

Feels the opposite to me?

How so
NSG is like "why aren't you scumreading me" which seems like a grab at towncred cuz why would scum point that out

you're basically saying like "what's the case" which is such a typical scum buddy thing to post
defending them by implying there's no reason to vote them

Okay, so what's the impetus for me asking a question and then just never going back/caring about the followup or like... actually offering the thoughts that I thought MWB said that were towny? And just making a throwaway comment without the follow through. Which would kind of... be important to saving him?

Because no one bit on it so what's the motivation to follow up

I'm not really picking up on why he is "obviously" scum based on your ISO? You said one post bothered you tonally but I'm not sure how that equates to the level of confidence you have here

i didn't explicitly state everything I just thought that up to that point their posts were transparently scummy from the obvious lack of town motivation

That's a very generic statement. What wasn't town motivated about them? It felt to me like he was attempting to solve, wasn't exactly being opportunistic

Like you look at those posts and they seem extremely fakeble
Whereas I look at my townreads posts like dats, faker, whatever and I can see the town gears turning

I wanted to pull quotes from the wall to explain why I townread it but there aren't many specific lines I can point to, honestly. For one, I think posting a wall that detailed after having almost no content thus far as scum would be ambitious. But even aside from just the existence/size of it, it's laid out in a way that seems to reflect a genuine thought process jumping from topic to topic. Coming out swinging on IV and then revisiting it in detail, the random interspersed reachouts, the edits and addendums, and the section marked as for nsg. It doesn't feel to me that it was crafted to look certain way, it feels like it was an attempt to sort out thoughts into words.

Does that make sense?

I couldn't really explain why I TRed the SA wall and I think this does a pretty good job of explaining it

[SirCakez]

my record of reading you is currently 2/3, can you piss off

i don't remember the other ones
my mafia memory goes back precisely to the last game I played and that's it

[SirCakez]

I want a Pooky, Mare or Midway wagon
Could also be sold on SS or catboi or maaaaybe flow trap or NSG

[SirCakez]

IM NOT

[SirCakez]

I started scumreading Pooky before it was cool

[SirCakez]

Ive basically never seen scum claim impulsively like that before for no reason so im fine with mare being strong town

This is not great logic

[SirCakez]

This is probably the least aggressive in pushing a vote I've ever seen you Pooky. I'm not even sure who you are on ATM without going back.

Because he is scum

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Cakez[/b]

Disliked the “nobody bit” retort to me because like yes no one did but then it also is like... I feel like me not following up with the initial question I had about MWB neutered any attempt to save him in the first place and just leaves an awkward associative hanging out there without any payout.

This is so overjustified and gross gosh

[SirCakez]

Why do you feel the need to explain your vote on me again when you've literally spent most of this game pushing me? It's like no one here is thinking you're suddenly townreading me

[SirCakez]

Ive basically never seen scum claim impulsively like that before for no reason so im fine with mare being strong town

This is not great logic

y not?

Because scum would do that I don't think it's AI at all

[SirCakez]

okay i guess

[SirCakez]

I SR both of you and see you post something that scum typically post to buffer buddies I don't see how this isn't making sense to you

[SirCakez]

I'd rather do flow than sleepless

[SirCakez]

NSG why suddenly so obsessed with pushing sleepless through

[SirCakez]

I'm not interested in fighting with you over stupid nonsense and I don't need to push you at this moment to remove your slot if I think you are mafia.

VOTE: Pooky

That is absolutely not the lesson you learned from 3992, and you are not only not pushing me but not pushing

anyone

.

I literally said your opening push on me made sense and grilled Cakez for not buying it, so don't give me nonsense about "but if I do push it then you'll just be stubborn and dismissive!"

exactly the man is playing evasively and not taking shit on like he does as town

Okay, so no one bit on me trying to save my buddy. What’s the scum motivation I have for not following up at all with it, not intervening, not changing to bus, like...

Like I just say “why” do nothing he dies and then there’s this awkward beat there in an ISO that has already left me POE’d...?

what is the scum motivation FOR following up when it's not working? no point beating on something that wasn't panning out
and midway isn't even under much pressure here

Mare doesn't take neighborizer as scum with her draft position

now this is a good point and something I'm considering

Ive basically never seen scum claim impulsively like that before for no reason so im fine with mare being strong town

This is not great logic

y not?

Because scum would do that I don't think it's AI at all

sure it's possible, seems like a difference of experience ive just never really seen it

if you want to convince me otherwise u could show me some examples where you think this happened but idk if it's worth ur effort

after what catboi said I think it doesn't matter anyways

[SirCakez]

really at the end of the day im just left weakly scumreading him for all the stuff he did before i pushed him

I agree with skitter about the gamestate is rn. She made the observation that only two people are voting sleepless and I think only three are voting me right now. I think the current lack of consensus means we end up just deflecting onto Sleepless or me at the end. Tbh, it seems like few people have super strong scumreads so im somewhat tempted just to sheep mare lol

I don't know if this is just midway's posting style or what but literally this post pings me so bad tonally
it's all like "well we are going to end up doing this" and "I agree with this" and there's NO COMMITTAL TO ANYTHING and it's driving me insane

[SirCakez]

VOTE: flow trap ugh not pleased with this at all

[SirCakez]

i am genuinely starting to think catboi is scum, not just my meme push I always do on them because of past games

[SirCakez]

I'd rather do flow than sleepless

As always, this begs the question: Why?

i agreed w IV 2174 about the wall seeming legit because it looks just like what SA was thinking and not some manufactured pile of crap meant to look townie
flow is unreadable IMO but I haven't seen anything really townie I guess so I'd rather get rid of them

[SirCakez]

{cakez, pooky, faker, cat} - null

I don't understand how you could have these four as null given how much content we've all produced

[SirCakez]

wait no fuck this let's do this one
VOTE: pooky
scumbear is going down

[SirCakez]

Unvote, Vote flow Trap

it's a little shitty that this is the only thing SA had to say

[SirCakez]

faker is so obviously town

[SirCakez]

i am genuinely starting to think catboi is scum, not just my meme push I always do on them because of past games

nah cat is town

why

i am genuinely starting to think catboi is scum, not just my meme push I always do on them because of past games

Then why the hell are you voting flow trap?

you are obviously not being elimmed today

[SirCakez]

i am caught up now and if Pooky is possible he has to go, it's only going to get harder to elim him
flow can be elimmed whenever

[SirCakez]

I thought he was talking smack not actually replacing out?

[SirCakez]

I already spent time this game talking how I'm not confident about my reads these days and don't write cases anymore what makes you think you're so special?

[SirCakez]

I'm not gonna go all in on some death tunnel of you when I've been burned a bazillion times by it and I also did finally read you correctly our last game together so I don't see the need to commit super hard to something when I can give myself more time

[SirCakez]

The only votes on me are the ones that just got put so I'm not near elim Andante

[SirCakez]

VOTE: flow
Since pooky is apparently replacing out or whatever

[SirCakez]

Who is that talking to

[SirCakez]

Ok but that doesn't make any sense if you think I'm the scum in the interaction

[SirCakez]

Catboi loves to hurt people

[SirCakez]

What do you think about Sleepless, cat?

Looked at ISO past the wall post and it's not great but could be worse. Wouldn't be shocked if he flipped scum I suppose

for what it's worth every time I say this about a player where I'm not sure they flip scum, but definitely don't townread them, the wagon end up going through while I hang back passively doing nothing and they flip scum and then I wind up sitting in the POE all game and having a meltdown

But I'd be outright lying if I said I strongly believed he flips scum

This has happened to me before more than once lol

[SirCakez]

SirCakez has said "flow is unreadable IMO but I haven't seen anything really townie I guess so I'd rather get rid of them", which is really really not a good reason to be voting someone.

Well obviously I expressed that this is not the wagon I want today

[SirCakez]

Menalque? Repping in? In a scum slot? Oh boy!

[SirCakez]

BEFORE SOME SHIT SAYS BEETLEJUICING I WAS AT LUNCH WITH A FRIEND AND JUST GOT BACK

[SirCakez]

Hi

Pooky claimed lime doctor can you verify?

[SirCakez]

An atavistic urge has awakened in my veins. The blood is pumping violently, a burning sensation spreads up the arms, a paroxysmal wave crashes through this mortal body and I write in the forces of violent malice.

It calls me to vote Cakez out, to pound the ground with my bare knuckles around the fire and watch his blood down the stake a verdant green before evaporating in the flames, the same color it always is. It calls me to bear witness just as my ancestors before me did so many years ago.

oh dear

[SirCakez]

Think about how funny it’s be for him to flip scum after he spent all day trying to replicate paranoia and seeing the scumminess just to drop it the second the person propping it up dips.

this doesn't even make sense

[SirCakez]

Cakez, I have an important question.

Have you recently consumed any eggs, milk, or cheese?

yes I had tacos with lots of cheese for lunch

[SirCakez]

ANOTHER MUSE FAN???

[SirCakez]

Tbf i didnt remember that one. I was thinking of this one (which nsg linked already)

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=78246

Kitcat = me (my one and only attempt at alting)
Cultofathena = nsg
Sleepless was scum, i was town, i think nsg was town too but i dont remember for sure

Fwiw i am getting some cold feet on sleepless

Oh wow ok I didn't know either of those alts .

What similarities are you seeing though? I fell behind a couple times but the game was slow enough for me to get caught up when I was free. And I posted with a ton of confidence in my pushes there. Here, I have some strong reads but have had trouble explaining them which rarely if ever happens to me as scum

this man is town cmon who admits this as scum

[SirCakez]

Cakez, I have an important question.

Have you recently consumed any eggs, milk, or cheese?

yes I had tacos with lots of cheese for lunch

FORGIVE ME VEGAN GOD ON HIGH

FOR I AM A SINNER

WE FEASTING ON DAIRY-FILLED CAKE TONIGHT

[SirCakez]

Here, I have some strong reads but have had trouble explaining them which rarely if ever happens to me as scum

this bit

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

Speaking my truth.

oh shit you've got me way beat lol

[SirCakez]

Here, I have some strong reads but have had trouble explaining them which rarely if ever happens to me as scum

this bit

i don't think this is really "admitting something"? or if it is i honestly don't see how it's town indicative

he's saying as scum he wouldn't be having the trouble is having here, sounds like an admittance to me

[SirCakez]

he's saying that he's having trouble explaining reads, and also that he's not scum because of that. can you give me just a brief walk through of how this is some kind of towny "admittance" of something? i think that it's pretty normal to make statements about how your behavior isn't scum indicative as either alignment. i also think it's pretty normal to recognize what your play might look like from an outside perspective as either alignment, e.g. by recognizing that you haven't explained many reads.

presumably if he's scum then his attributes would be matching what he's saying so he would be provably lying so why invite townies to dig into this?

[SirCakez]

Catboi and I after voting Cakez, knowing well in advance he is flipping green but unable to control our ancestral inheritance

it's inevitable I don't blame you two

[SirCakez]

i feel like my point is pretty clear??
and it's not like it's the crux of my argument or anything - I think the first wall is the best argument for Sleepless town

[SirCakez]

that is also inevitable

[SirCakez]

reading up busy day

[SirCakez]

I don't think being inactive at deadline is an alignment tell, sometimes people just vanish, trying to read too far into it is stupid

or sometimes people just literally forget about deadline lol
like when I got lolelimmed recently bc I wasn't posting at deadline

[SirCakez]

sigh

we're out here grinding asleep assassin vs ghost trap

while midway is doing nothing but beetlejuicing, responding to a couple things, gives his new thought of the day and dipping, still with no vote anywhere or desire to help town with deadline

I APPROVE THIS POST BTW

[SirCakez]

I have uh

Like 5 mins

Who we killin

scumboi returns

[SirCakez]

what if we did a last minute pivot and flashwagoned obvscum Mena????

[SirCakez]

Lying about dreams is easy towncred tbh. Advanced strategy.

yeah but when does scum ever do it? never

[SirCakez]

what if we did a last minute pivot and flashwagoned obvscum Mena????

Let's not

I mean you're looking like a saucy alternative right now
lol

[SirCakez]

VOTE: midway

flashwagon go

VOTE: midway
THIS IS HAPPENING

[SirCakez]

This doesn't make sense. Cakez townread Andante for virtually identically vague reasons in a closely preceding post, and I don't see him critique the skitter/catboi read. Plenty of people thought the same about catboi's read on midway.

my initial reason for voting midway was how overly agreeable he was. if you look at the post I quoted there when I said my vote was still fine you'll see it happens again.

[SirCakez]

Cakez should also update his read of Pookyslot imo, see 2468. More on NSG too while he's at it?

Pretty sure Mena is playing to his scum meta right now but I haven't played with him in a hot sec so I don't know if it's IRL or not
also again looks like there's no interest in a wagon there

[SirCakez]

Sleepless is trying right now and I don't see any scum motivation in shooting down alternate wagon suggestions; meanwhile flow has done jack shit so I think the choice for me is pretty clear

[SirCakez]

I am going to go a lot harder for midway and Mena tomorrow because they seem transparently scummy to me

[SirCakez]

VOTE: midwaybear

VOTE: midwaybear
caveat for this is that i need him to claim prior to deadline since he's higher up in the draft, if that doesn't look likely i'm switching back

OMG is this wagon actually happening???

[SirCakez]

Fucking christ I just remembered I have to go buy clothes for an interview tomorrow fuck me see y'all have fun don't do anything stupid while I'm gone

A+ timing

good luck my dude

[SirCakez]

Sleepless is trying right now and I don't see any scum motivation in shooting down alternate wagon suggestions; meanwhile flow has done jack shit so I think the choice for me is pretty clear

the scum motivation in being against people currently on your counterwagon exiting your counterwagon to split votes and leave you as the largest wagon seems clear.

i think that it may be a bit of a stretch (or at least i would need some kind of evidence) to say that flow trap's complete absence is indicative one way or the other.

ummm I'm not seeing what you're seeing re;SA wagon

[SirCakez]

I'd go back to either of the prior two wagons to prevent nolim but I'd feel a lot better about flow

[SirCakez]

ohhkay I think I get what you're saying

[SirCakez]

ohhkay I think I get what you're saying

that made sense to you?

yeah it seems like kind of a stretch but I can connect the dots

[SirCakez]

what

who tf cares what midway's draft position is

if we think he's scum we kill him

it's that simple

Yeah what the hell? Claims mean very little this game

[SirCakez]

We can move the wagon back to flow but I see nothing making me want to unvote Midway when the wagon is close

[SirCakez]

We can move the wagon back to flow but I see nothing making me want to unvote Midway when the wagon is close

????? It is not close at all

I'm assuming everyone on Midway goes back to flow since that's where most people came from

VOTE: flow

[SirCakez]

Just hammer who cares anymore we don't need 12 more hours

[SirCakez]

Just hammer who cares anymore we don't need 12 more hours

u could've done it if you wanted to

well I was hoping for a flow hammer not Sleepless

[SirCakez]

with my recent luck and skill Sleepless is definitely flipping scum lmao

[SirCakez]

let's see the flip first
SOMEBODY in this game did a good job faking me out pre-flip recently

[SirCakez]

VOTE: catboi
This guy is scum and I bet that's why Faker was killed

[SirCakez]

I have no interest in going back to Flow here especially now that we have someone readable in the slot
Also I think pushing me here makes sense for the slot being town

[SirCakez]

Also I think NSG and SS need more attention today

[SirCakez]

VOTE: catboi
This guy is scum and I bet that's why Faker was killed

Ah, there it is

fuck off I can push you without it being some grudge-related thing you always try to make it out to be

[SirCakez]

VOTE: catboi
This guy is scum and I bet that's why Faker was killed

Ah, there it is

fuck off I can push you without it being some grudge-related thing you always try to make it out to be

Touchy.

Why’s he scum other than the kill then?

I think the way he maneuvered around the wagons day 1 was scummy now that we have some flips

[SirCakez]

I also don't like that whenever I talk about SRing him he tries to turn it into "lol cakez just wants to catch me"

[SirCakez]

VOTE: catboi
This guy is scum and I bet that's why Faker was killed

Ah, there it is

fuck off I can push you without it being some grudge-related thing you always try to make it out to be

Touchy.

Why’s he scum other than the kill then?

I think the way he maneuvered around the wagons day 1 was scummy now that we have some flips

Okay so where at?

how the hell did you respond so quickly lol
I'll go pull some quotes

[SirCakez]

separately think Sleepless has been flagrantly self-preservative first and foremost throughout this.

Can you give me some examples of this?

VOTE: sleepless

reread the iso and almost all of the last 40-ish posts are white noise

this progression looks super scum-motivated now that we know Sleepless was town

was halfway to writing a post on sleepless but opened flow trap's iso to check when their last post was relative to the rest of the game, and kind of hate that flow dipped right after promising to catch up :/. Know that the inactivity isn't an alignment tell but the fact that it came after that specific post makes me feel like it's more than likely they had trouble coming up with things to say as part of a catchup and dipped

like for example look at this
he was leaving himself open to vote both wagons regardless of where the tides went

Andante: town
skitter30: null
midwaybear: probably town
Mare: lean town
innocentvillager: town
SirCakez: lean scum
Faker: sheepishly admitting he's town
catboi - nya
Menalque: scumlean from pooky, willing to give him time to get into the game
Datisi: lean town
northsidegal: probably town, under the impression she's fairly polarized and think posting is all right so far
Sleepless Assassin: null
flow trap: scum
Something_Smart: null

In draft order because that's more fun

I guess if the wagons are unsatisfying I'd entertain a vote on something_smart, or if I were feeling particularly spicy, skitter

and look at this readslist he has Flow as scum but never once really went after flow at EoD he just sat on Sleepless

[SirCakez]

you just quoted a readslist out of context to incriminate me for not wanting to vote flow later in the day

Ok yes my bad I put the posts out of order but my point standa

[SirCakez]

I'm around but I'm traveling so I'm not gonna posting anything really unless I'm asked

[SirCakez]

VOTE: SirCakez

This never changed so whatever happens my vote’s here stare at it a lot if I get voted out please.

VOTE: Mare

Okay let’s put your money where your mouth is.

People gave me cred. I didn’t ask for it.

You’re sitting in the 2nd place freaking out over me forgetting something.

I’m willing to die and have my corpse stare you in the face when it flips town neighborizer, and have the rest of the town stare you down for these posts.

(:

I haven't read but this is hilarious

[SirCakez]

VOTE: catboi
This guy is scum and I bet that's why Faker was killed

Cakez why not?

VOTE: midway
This guy is scum and I bet that's why IV was killed

Rethinking my read on you

[SirCakez]

Mena/Pooky can definitely die too

[SirCakez]

Datisi's IV push was bad but I don't know if that makes him scum tbh LOL

[SirCakez]

you just quoted a readslist out of context to incriminate me for not wanting to vote flow later in the day

Ok yes my bad I put the posts out of order but my point standa

No

, because taking the posts out of order is ignoring how my thoughts actually progressed

no it doesn't
my point was that you were waffling on Flow slot all day yesterday and never actually hard committed to a read on the slot

[SirCakez]

Cakez what do u think abt pooky's thing with faker?

the rep out argument?

[SirCakez]

i lowkey think pookymena slot is town tbh

why?

[SirCakez]

Wagoning somebody no one would expect a wagon on at this stage
Pushing controversial reads

Really anyone to force people to take a stance on something

I hate posts like this
Like do something about it yourself don't just yell into the void and then sit there

[SirCakez]

VOTE: skitter

Your vote on me sucks and you're trying to rally votes on me without so much as a case, you're shutting down my scumreads with no reasoning

I don't think this is a town move at all

[SirCakez]

why

it seems like a defensive play to try to get pressure off of you which I don't think you'd care about if you were town

[SirCakez]

Cakez what do u think abt pooky's thing with faker?

the rep out argument?

Yes

I don't know honestly
It seems like Pooky was genuinely offended but I don't know if that's necessarily AI

[SirCakez]

Datisi's IV push was bad but I don't know if that makes him scum tbh LOL

uh
which one

I don't remember the specific posts but I remember you got in a shitty argument with him about it

[SirCakez]

why

it seems like a defensive play to try to get pressure off of you which I don't think you'd care about if you were town

You think I don't care about being pushed as town? (Yes I know she's claiming she's not pushing me or whatever the fuck it doesn't matter)

well
ahem
at least not when it's me

LOL

[SirCakez]

sup

VOTE: cakez

oh man

[SirCakez]

I didn't like cakez' very end of day push toward me, but I especially didn't like that his pretty gung-ho "kill mena" seemed to be entirely forgotten today, also that he hasn't actually addressed me or spoken to me since I repped in, and that insofar as his read on me isn't purely based on pooky it seems to be from a v lazy "mena not here therefore mena scum" outdated meta read

I forgot you were in this game honestly

[SirCakez]

I don't have answers for you unfortunately

[SirCakez]

Also I thought cakez was scummy yesterday but I kind of felt lioke he doesn't get so tilted at me today as scum. (Mostly it just made me feel sad). Having us both at the bottom of a reads list is ????

I agree with this like there is no world in which we are scum together here so Mena's scumpool is not making much sense atm

[SirCakez]

Only a few days before deadline so it's not a super well tracked progression I guess. But it does sort of make sense. None of his other scumreads are really gaining traction except for flow and maybe me so he just shifts to flow EoD.
anyways gtg

yeah I talked about this more than once that I didn't like either major EoD wagon but nothing else was sticking so I had to compromise

[SirCakez]

I do think midway's posting today is better

[SirCakez]

why

it seems like a defensive play to try to get pressure off of you which I don't think you'd care about if you were town

You think I don't care about being pushed as town? (Yes I know she's claiming she's not pushing me or whatever the fuck it doesn't matter)

well
ahem
at least not when it's me

LOL

I generally get annoyed when I feel I'm being voted for bad reasons as town

ok so does skitter have bad reasons or scum motivation?

[SirCakez]

Wagoning somebody no one would expect a wagon on at this stage
Pushing controversial reads

Really anyone to force people to take a stance on something

I hate posts like this
Like do something about it yourself don't just yell into the void and then sit there

Have I really been just sitting here

Because it really feels like I've been trying to run through quicksand this whole time

maybe not just sitting there but it feels like you are complaining about many things and then just going with already existing opinions and wagons

[SirCakez]

No idea why andante claimed they were already obvious town

[SirCakez]

Mena catboi nsg

[SirCakez]

SS and Mare are also votable

[SirCakez]

V/LA through January 16

Will try to post when I can but I'm seeing some friends I only see a few times a year so no promises.

[SirCakez]

Mena catboi nsg

I'm p sure andante is town, still

why am I quoted here?

VOTE: andante

meh

nah fam Andante is town

Rethinking my read on you

When did this start?

beginning of today certain posts

[SirCakez]

I feel like a NSG wagon will develop this game a lot
VOTE: northsidegal