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lol alright, I usually just guess half the time, "There's nothing wrong with pushing Pooky, but.." had me thinking you had some sort of genuine read thereIn post 1260, Something_Smart wrote:
I have no read on Pooky beyond "collided = > rand town", I will probably remain that way for quite some time because I have a shite record of reading him.In post 1127, Andante wrote:I don't TR pooky, you're kinda making it sound like you do? what're your thoughts on Pooky?-
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Well I'm referring to the fact mare has basically 0 game related lines, nothing mare said is hard to fake as scum, you're calling it obvtown, and if you can't see why I don't agree.. idk what to say there. I don't tr someone off emotion, I look at reads and what they've done, I know we play differently, a lot differently, I think we already established that. But I don't like the reasoning for mare being obv town here, and with basically no explanation. You didn't seem happy when I asked for specific lines, didn't look like you were actually trying to convince me mare town. thus you quoted her entire ISO... and gave no thoughts about specific thingsIn post 1262, innocentvillager wrote:just because we play differently and have different styles of reading doesnt make me scum tmi'ing someone-
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You don't think anything of the lack of explanation there? like if you think someone is obvtown, you should have some kind of conviction there, not just "here's the entire iso" "mare is obvtown" I clearly have a question on why mare is so towny, and why cake is a tr, the answer I got to both those questions don't help me see them as more town. Do you see where I'm going with this?In post 1266, Datisi wrote:
considering my own read is also close to "idk mare is pretty tonally townie" i can't really scumread him for it lolIn post 1257, Andante wrote:Datisi, I'm honestly not really vibing with IV's Mare tr, it's not an actual reason and feels like it stems from TMI, what are your thoughts with how IV is calling mare obvtown...
you got a read on me at this point?
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So I can just sit here, say all my town leans are obv town? andthat's that?In post 1272, Datisi wrote:kinda? but also i don't think it's scum! indicative for iv so yeah
why do you keep saying "yet"?
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what even? is this datisi scum, IV town, I know you 2 are trying to pocket each other, it's actually hella annoying for reading yall, I don't see what is at all scummy with me asking about an obvtown read on someone who has nothing actually game related. This post does not feel like it comes from townIn post 1273, Datisi wrote:this conversation is lowkey tanking my read of andante, feels like scum who saw a townie not feeling like backing up their read in detail and is now trying to make everyone see it as scummy-
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what's wrong with how I make my reads?In post 1278, Datisi wrote:
the fuck lol? why would you deal with me like that? and it implies that you WILL scumread me at some point and you're just waiting for me to start being scummy or something, which is weirdIn post 1276, Andante wrote:you're town till I sr you then you're maf, that's how I'm dealing with reading you lol what's wrong with yet?-
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like, weren't you just going at me for not liking how IV made a read?In post 1284, Andante wrote:
what's wrong with how I make my reads?In post 1278, Datisi wrote:
the fuck lol? why would you deal with me like that? and it implies that you WILL scumread me at some point and you're just waiting for me to start being scummy or something, which is weirdIn post 1276, Andante wrote:you're town till I sr you then you're maf, that's how I'm dealing with reading you lol what's wrong with yet?-
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no, everyone is town till I sr?In post 1289, Datisi wrote:
do you treat everyone "town until otherwise" or just me? if just me, why?In post 1284, Andante wrote:what's wrong with how I make my reads?-
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Yeah I endgamed as scum, killed SS, I'm pretty sure he TRed me too Fish in the seaIn post 1297, Datisi wrote:
you have exp with her being scum?In post 1292, Something_Smart wrote:
really? to me it was more like "this is what Andante didn't do when she was scum before"In post 1286, Datisi wrote:your stubbornness about iv having to provide Reasons and getting annoyed at me not seeing it as scummy feels like a shark that's smelling blood but the swimmer already got out of water and it's scummy, andante-
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you are. IV is also trying to pocket you, so I guess accepted your pocket? idk how yalls fancy terms work. I do know the 2 of yall have whatever going on and it makes a read in yall near impossible cause yall only interacted with each otherIn post 1301, Datisi wrote:wait, i thought i was scum pocketing iv?-
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IV hasn'tIn post 1308, Datisi wrote:i have interacted with a bunch of other people the fuck you on about lol-
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aww I like IVIn post 1316, innocentvillager wrote:im past the point of no return on andante
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skitter30 catboi SirCakez Something_Smart Faker
flow trap innocentvillager
Datisi
Scum:
Prism has talked, but idk who Prism is in this
Need more content:
Sleepless Assassin
northsidegal
Mare
PookyTheMagicalBear
midwaybear
here's roughly where I'm at, I have 5 I haven't looked into/they haven't given much, overally my reads are trash, THUS I was looking for explanations from people, but I think SS town, Cakez is doing well, skitter has basically been a tr all game, I think my read on dats is slipping, I need to look back later on him, I don't trust myself to have a good read on him right now, in a few hours it should be fine-
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I just laughed way too hard at this lolIn post 1397, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:this is like some bucket list level stupidity if you're actually scum here dude
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wow stealing my idea... I was gonna sheep IV here...In post 1451, flow trap wrote:
Smh Anda, you already know who it isIn post 1447, Andante wrote:hey flow!! who is maf?
Current POE is like:Andante 3 timesMidway, SS, Pooky, Mare, Cat, Skitter; Maybe Sleepless
I really like IV's progression on this page, though willing to sheep it as it is a good case and we need some more excitement VOTE: midwaybear
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hahahaha sure XDIn post 1453, flow trap wrote:
Is your pfp is a sheepdog?In post 1452, Andante wrote:wow stealing my idea... I was gonna sheep IV here...
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but nothing in that was about dats being scum
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yeah I just realized lolIn post 1462, Datisi wrote:
skitter has been pushing me being scum for like 4 years now, what are you on aboutIn post 1460, Andante wrote:but nothing in that was about dats being scum-
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Sleepless is VLA till today, why are you including them here? like, obviously no one TRs someone with no content? but doesn't mean I'm voting them out now?In post 1494, SirCakez wrote:Like there are some people who are low content and not really being townread by anyone
SS, midway, sleepless, etc
SS has some lines I like - "not really being TRed by anyone" is a lie there, I've voiced a slight tr earlier
and I still haven't read a single midway post so idk there
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Reading this, I TR midwaybear, I think more than Faker, and I'm pretty sure Faker is town, so midway and faker town I thinkIn post 1542, midwaybear wrote:
Hm, I can sort of see what you mean. Probably why flow took you out of his poe.In post 1536, Faker wrote:there is a world of difference between being personally affable and being actively diplomatic
I found it odd that they were willing to de-escalate their suspicions of each so quickly so I thought that one of them was scum looking to avoid a fight. I did not think that one of them was more suspicious at the time, but if you asked me at the time I would probably say Datisi for backing off first. Now, it seems more nai since it looks like they do similar stuff every gamestart.In post 1538, Faker wrote:Which begs the question, why is their discussion not TvT?
Agreeing with his opening statement didn't factor into my read of him at all really.In post 1538, Faker wrote:Unclear where this factors in
I thought Datisi was scummy because his play didn't really fit in with my expectation of how a town him would play. I don't think I have played much with Datisi, but I have followed a few games he was in and I got the impression that he was pretty free flowing (speaking his thoughts) as town. ig his opening just didn't match up with that because now that I look back he looks ok.In post 1538, Faker wrote:Why did you begin to believe Datisi specifically was scum in these, and why did it strengthen?
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ooh another midway tr, I last recall multiple people going that direction? (idk been a while) but someone else thinking midway town makes me feel good about that read then.In post 1556, Mare wrote:Midway, IV town.
Andante probably town for the level of sporadic jumping around? But so quick to jump on anything and push it without a sense of continuity beyond a few posts. Sleepless probably town.
Cakez still scum beyond just tonal things but doing not a lot but being agreeable.
Probably a scum in skitter/Datisi/catboi.
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lmao what even?In post 1562, Mare wrote:So if you want my GUT READ on a team it's like Andante/Cakez/Cat.-
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ooh I didn't know that was a thing lol definitely a good read/cool to learn about, and I was sitting here thinking about it like, "wow... yeah it's almost always exclusively when I'm town do I fight hard about a lim/sr on me"In post 1570, northsidegal wrote:i just actually like this tell a lot, it's fun to talk about and i'm now the mafia equivalent of an old person who just wants to tell people stories from their past so just let me have this
thanks for the info!! I'm so using this tell for future reads
like here, a bunch of us were voting Pooky, and Pooky's reaction was "oh yes! give me all the votes" which I don't think I've ever seen pooky do lol and I think I've only seen town pooky, sooo pooky maf?-
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I think it's funny to look at all the SS reads. SS was like in the POE range, I just go "Yeah SS town. don't ask me questions" like there was 1 or 2 lines I liked, most of it could easily be faked as scum... but to me, SS is a later read, but I've been seein people put SS as a higher tr, like what?? he shouldn't be much above null, I love this post from northsidegal, either partners with him, or it comes from genuine town, that's the only option here I really seeIn post 1572, northsidegal wrote:i agree with the logic that SS as scum would be trying more to look towny and it matches my memory of playing against (and losing against) him as scum, but at the same time it feels bad to actually put someone down as town based on that reasoning. so i guess i can just continue putting the problem of reading him off-
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I mean, if I did that, I'm changing my vote at least once every page, usually after I see a VC I go "oh hey, I tr that person now!!" then change, but mehh I either never move it, or I move it too much, I feel like you're trying to push a weird thing "you're not voting? you must be scum..."In post 1582, innocentvillager wrote:do you normally not vote for people until you have a read on almost everyone? i don't understand why you wouldn't at least park your vote on your current largest suspect-
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weird thing to say? that's the only weird thing said this game? I mean, I read that and laughed cause I'm fairly sure I'll be SRing you too, interesting how this is the first thing all game you're going "that's weird to say.."In post 1589, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
This feels like a weird thing to say. It's like you're gonna go into reading my post trying to find things wrong with it and the post hasn't even been made yet.North wrote:i predict that i will probably scumread sleepless assassin after he makes his big post-
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you keep talking/interacting, like, if I'm working on my long reads/catchup post for ALL game, I'm focussing on that... the more you put that off by interacting/saying random things in thread, which aren't even really reads, it's just like, "Do you really have town intentions here?" like, we just want to know where your head is at. who do you tr/sr? why? we have had 0 content from you all game, ok that's fine, so it's like, the content we are getting?? yeah...In post 1606, Sleepless Assassin wrote:I was gonna post it right before I go to bed. I have aspirations of finishing reading the thread first but realistically I just want to get as far as I can.-
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I mean, voting someone isn't the only way to get insight.. talking to them/interacting with them also works...In post 1691, innocentvillager wrote:
it's not a weird thing to ask someone why they're not voting their sole top scumread to get insight into their play and her response made senseIn post 1684, Andante wrote:
I mean, if I did that, I'm changing my vote at least once every page, usually after I see a VC I go "oh hey, I tr that person now!!" then change, but mehh I either never move it, or I move it too much, I feel like you're trying to push a weird thing "you're not voting? you must be scum..."In post 1582, innocentvillager wrote:do you normally not vote for people until you have a read on almost everyone? i don't understand why you wouldn't at least park your vote on your current largest suspect-
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I know it's not directed at me but,In post 1748, skitter30 wrote:Do u want to read sleepless's wall + his iso and tell me what you think?
I think sleepless's wall is a repeat of a lot of what I said,which is why I don't like it, sure it could've been genuine thoughts, but a lot of it was like exact things I was saying so ehhh anyone going "I'll read later" then when they do read, there's nothing original, and it's all repeating stuff already said, makes you really question if it came from town-
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feels like a d2 thing to talk about, not here? like if you tell people "I hope you have content by eod" if they're scum, they become aware...In post 1751, skitter30 wrote:i'm just hoping that you'll have some content before eod-
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lol I only showed up to take my vote off dats (so no one got any ideas and pushed a wagon that way) but I'm more than happy with a sleepless vote here, that's probably my top SR at the moment, just something about hearing someone repeat stuff you said, but then give no mention of you like "I agree with Andante was saying here" so if you're trying to pass the thoughts off as your own?? but you were reading/catching up.... mmmk feels like maf trying to pass off "towny stuff"
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I mean, don't all games start faster than they end? like, you can't expect us to sit here and do nothing day 1, THEN do stuff d2... idk, I don't like talking about activity levels, like, it does absolutely nothing for this gameIn post 1845, skitter30 wrote:i think that sleepless has a point in that this game is moving faster than the last game-
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Reading this felt super off to me, this was just repeating the pages we spent discussing IV scum, with no mention of agreeing with anyone there, like, these are not original thoughts. and IV was the main person I was going after, so then to see Sleepless, only discuss a SR on IV... like... there wasn't much catching up... and I think with about 95% certainty, the only point of that post was "to look towny" not to actually catch up/ give thoughtsIn post 1643, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Why I scum read Innocentvillager
- See above for why I placed my vote.
-His early talk is about himself. Why he picked his number and not what anyone else might have been thinking. The focus is just explaining himself where the natural town thought is "I wonder what scum did". There's a little bit of asking about people's meta picks but nothing to suggest he's attempting to read people's alignment based on it.
He seems reactionary OMGUSy. Datisi voted Innocentvillager and Innocentvillager wanted a fight but the second Datisi backs off its "maybe you're town". Then midway makes a decent point about that interaction coming off weird and Innocentvillager responds by calling midway "scumbear".
The timing of the Midway vote on page 30 felt weird. He mentions being the largest wagon and then switches from a vanity vote to a mini wagon. I know he already expressed a scum read on midway but it still seemed like weird timing-
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you should, I SRed the wall. Wall just summarized what I said, thus I don't think it's town, so I'd love to know what you found towny about itIn post 1907, Something_Smart wrote:SA's wall seems very town. I can get more into that if people think it would help.-
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you see maf writing 1903? and like the amount of effort catboi is giving? like I'm pretty sure he's not mafIn post 1909, skitter30 wrote:i don't see it-
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pshhh let him catch up!!! the content from catching up is gonna be better than discussing 1 wall post...In post 1913, skitter30 wrote:if that means you want to catch up on all 77 pages before you describe what you like about the wall, i'd kinda just rather you talk about why you like the wall >.>
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so you're maf?In post 1916, catboi wrote:
that's literally just a quotewall reply thoughIn post 1908, Andante wrote:I don't see 1903 coming from maf, like, something about the way I read it, if someone who SRs you wants to talk with me about why you're maf, I'd be happy to discuss why I think you're town, but yeah. I'm pretty sure you're town. Should I be SRing you?
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I've been thinking it for a while lol, I guess you just ignored the first time I said I SRed the 2 of youIn post 1921, skitter30 wrote:how are you possibly thinking i'm scum with sleepless, i'm actively pushing him >.>
and i was just thinking he wanted to catch up on the whole game first, we'd probably be waiting a while which seems silly since he's said he's actually read the wall, he can just say what he thinks about it
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Yes, I know you've said you've overextended yourself or whatever, you'r busy, ok, I get it, and rather than just sit there only talking about how far behing you are/whatnot, you're saying stuff like "I still think midwaybear's posts like 1542, 1550 are fine and don't get where the scumreads are coming from" which is like opposite from everyone it feels like, I already voiced that I don't understand midway SRs, so seeing you here like "yoo why is there a SR on this person?" feels like it genuinely comes from town. Not sure why I'm not allowed to tr you. You want me to sr you. Cake wants Dats to sr him.. are we playing reverse maf or something?In post 1923, catboi wrote:
1. posts like that aren't a significant amount of effort, as it is I feel like I'm running on fumes because I've overextended myselfIn post 1912, Andante wrote:
you see maf writing 1903? and like the amount of effort catboi is giving? like I'm pretty sure he's not mafIn post 1909, skitter30 wrote:i don't see it
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guess I'm explaining that thought process tonightIn post 1928, Something_Smart wrote:In post 1861, Andante wrote:if skitter is maf, it is with sleepless. that is one thing I'm confident in
excuse me what, how could SA's reads affect the probability of skitter-scum/SA-town? That doesn't make sense.In post 1862, Andante wrote:this list just confirmed my suspicions there-
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^So here it was like "I do still scumread him" like, there hasn't been much of a push from skitter, skitter was not voting sleepless, so in my head I'm like "you SR someone, but are neither voting them, nor doing anything about it? feels like something you'd say about a partner"In post 1849, skitter30 wrote:@andante i mean i agree, i'm just saying i *can* see a universe where town-him got stuck in catch-up mode and never managed to get out of it
all in all i do still scumread him tho
pedit >.>
Their interactions read as scum theater/one partner talking to another, I haven't seen 1 interaction between them I likedIn post 1850, Sleepless Assassin wrote:
Hey that's not Beetlejuice. There have only been a few posts since I woke upSkitter wrote: pedit >.>
And this like backs up my thoughts on "one partner talking to another" like, up until this stuff I've been like "yeah skitter town!!!" but skitter's interactions with/around Sleepless feel so awkward. awkward enough to make me reconsider my skitter TR, I was gonna look into why people were SRing skitter, but I was not a fan of this stuff. For Sleepless's "Read" on skitter to be "idk" after that wall post? yeah.. no. that's a maf read on a partnerIn post 1860, Sleepless Assassin wrote: Skitter - Something feels different this game but can't figure out what. Maybe its just that she's pressuring me this time.-
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yes, I saw your vote went on after all that, I'm not even going your way today cause you're top of draft, but I do genuinely believe sleepless to be maf here, and that's all I care about, cause it's not like I live to tomorrow anyways, just giving the occasional thought I have, and trying to just stay out of people's way-
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uhhh the only main thoughts there summarized are the IV thoughts, and it's repeating the few pages where we were like "Iv is not town cause of A,B,C" nothing in that wall felt like a genuine original thought. You think it makes Sleepless town? like, it's SO MUCH EASIER to make a post like that as maf than to interact with people in real timeIn post 1948, Something_Smart wrote:it's more of a summary of his thoughts on topics he deemed important-
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